I wonder if Firefly might make a comeback based on DvD and Serenity sales.

TV shows I'd like to see:

Out of Iraq

Survivor: Into the Gates of Hell*

*that be Iraq thanks to Bush and his cronies

Stealing the Fire (energy giants gloating at all of you sustainable energy wimps)

Being Poor

Sucking up to the Rich

Toxic Minds (or how corporate America is poisoning our DNA)

More?

I wonder if Firefly might make a comeback based on DvD and Serenity sales.

From your keyboard to the TV gods' ears....

Over at Kos we were discussing the West Wing/John Spencer/Sam Seaborn issue. The concensus seemed to be that Rob Lowe (Sam) left the show under less than happy circumstances, and his return is unlikely

I'd love to see a Santos/Seaborn ticket, though. Sam was always one of the best characters on the show, even if Rob Lowe is a Republican.

I thought Sam Seaborne lost the congressional race.

Sam was supposed to come back to the White House after his campaign's "inevitable" defeat, which has always led me to believe that he pulled out a miraculous victory that they never talked about.

Firefly is dead as per Josh Whedon last month.

Serenity ticket sales BLEW.

and the movie was a big big let down to me too... (not that that matters.) borrrrrring.

He's dead jim.

Steve - Dream on.. Sam Seaborn too much like Matt Santos for a balanced ticket. Maybe the tall whats-her-name who was the communications director for a long time...

I've been trying to sell my idea for a reality TV show filmed in a cancer clinic in Bangledesh, but producers keep telling me that it's too real.

I'm open to ideas about how to liven it up. I was thinking about different contests the patients or their families could go through to get treatment, or maybe how home viewers could decide who gets a modern treatment and who gets leaches.

West Wing reality: Sam lost the congressional race, returned to the white house, the president promoted him into the white house counsel's office (since his speechwriting duties were being capably covered by Will and it was time for Sam to have more responsibility in terms of policy), and for some reason we never saw him again.

Real reality: Rob Lowe wasn't happy.

Neither reality offers much hope for Sam returning to the show, I'm afraid.

West Wing:

My father-in-law thinks they'll tap CJ. Personally, I'm betting on Ed O'Neils PA governor - after all, Santos' defining convention moment was telling people to lay off the guy.

The strangest thing about the plight of Futurama, Family Guy, Arrested Development, even The Wire, is that they are all very popular with people in their mid-twenties, especially among my friends from college. I thought this was a demographic that the most highly prized by advertisers, so why do these shows get the axe so quickly?

Futurama making a comeback? awesome! remember that the crucial demographic piece that is missing there, however, is the religious aspect. The young crowd today that advertisers are trying to target and attract are generally 20 something, and have a religious conviction. It is quite possible that Futurama jsut doesn't meet that profile.

I'm with cf. I don't think there was any ambiguity about Sam losing his congressional race.

Don't know if I'd call a five-season run for "Futurama" being "axed so quickly." That being said, the "Futurama" DVDs are definitely worth buying, if only for the great commentaries and features.

IMO "Serenity" burned way too many bridges (the wrong ones) behind it for a workable comeback. Then again, look at how many "Planet of the Apes" films they did after they blew up the Earth.

I really can't believe more people watched Futurama than AD>> you must have the seven and the twelve mixed up. If anyone at showtime is monitoring the internest, I would subscribe if SHO showed AD.

According to the Wikipedia entry:

It was never revealed definitively whether Sam won or lost the election, although a poll showed he was losing to Webb by a wide margin in the heavily Republican district when he last appeared on the show.

Some argue that Horton Wilde won posthumously only because Republicans had devoted their efforts to other Congressional campaigns after Wilde's death. With a high-profile Democrat like Sam running in a race occurring separately from all the other concluded Congressional campaigns, the Republicans, eager to rebound following Bartlet's landslide victory and to give him any kind of defeat, would have redoubled their efforts to win that county. Additionally, throughout the relevant episodes, the characters constantly make reference to an overwhelming likelihood of Sam's defeat, given polling data.

Others argue that the show has a recurring theme of underdogs winning unexpectedly against the favored candidate, such as during Bartlet's initial Presidential campaign (where Senator John Hoynes, who became Bartlet's first Vice President, was the expected winner) and Wilde's campaign (where Wilde's death was assumed to have given the election to Congressman Webb) — and thus it would be thematically inconsistent for Sam to not have won the Congressional seat. Additionally, if Sam lost, a continuity problem arises with regards to why Sam would not have returned to the Bartlet Administration, given his pending promotion to Senior Counsel to the President.

Since his departure, which occurred because actor Rob Lowe wanted to move on, Sam was mentioned in a few episodes on the show, yet viewers were never made aware of his fate. In June 2005 it was reported that Rob Lowe may return as Sam for five episodes in November 2005 [1], but through December 2005 no new episodes with Sam have been aired. It remains to be seen whether the character will return later in the show's run.

December 2005 also brought unexpected death of John Spencer, who played Bartlet's Chief of Staff and Matt Santos' running mate Leo McGarry, which creates an opportunity to bring Sam back as Leo's replacement on the Democratic presidential ticket. This scenario presupposes that Sam won in the 47th, and that actor Rob Lowe would be willing to return under these unusual circumstances. Sam's presence on the ticket would put electoral college prize California into serious contention, even though it is the home state of Republican presidential candidate Arnold Vinick.

Give me a fucking break. What utter crap.

I have a feeling that West Wing has big things planned for Janeane Garofalo's character. In fact, in an attempt to help promote Air America, they'll be bringing on other stars as guests: Jerry Springer as the leader of a Focus on the Family style group and Sheldon Drobny as a absent-minded but brilliant media strategist. But, wait! Even Randi Rhodes will be popping in as the decorator of the White House Holiday Tree.

In addition, Arianna Huffington will make a surprise guest appearances.

-- HuffAndBlow

Bender is my favorite. The programmers at Fox are idiots.

"Bite my shiny metal ass !"
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I am definitely one of those futurama fans who jumped for joy upon reading this news. There are several older plotlines that still have some threads that can be worked out.

As far as west wing goes, I feel like Baker (Ed O'neill) is a good possibility - but as for a dark horse candidate, how about Will Bailey's dad? We've never met him, so they can pick any actor they'd like - and we know he was supreme allied commander of NATO.

tbrosz: Don't know if I'd call a five-season run for "Futurama" being "axed so quickly."

Fair enough, except... the "fifth" season was actually leftovers from the fourth season. FOX kept the show in a Schiavo-like limbo, barely promoting it and frequently bumping it for football. For example, during that "fifth" season, only four new episodes aired during the first five months of 2003.

Futurama was where all the good Simpsons writers went to.

I also find it better than Family Guy because I am offended way to much by FG, and because FG is just to frenetic for me. To me "funny" asides, etc. Futurama maintains a much more coherent narrative and it's funny because of its characters.

So yeah... Futurama rocks, Family Guy is a juvenile joke.

I think the emotional issues represented here were best dealt with in the David Letterman After School Special "They Cancelled My Favorite Show."

I mean, I still mourn "Nicholls", and "He And She". Life goes on, guys; don't think of it as a too-short series but a real long movie.

The only things that I could hear coming on the heels of 'Futurama is coming back' that could make me any happier would be:

Fallout 3 is available in stores now!

and

Hostile mobs of incensed citizens stormed the Whitehouse today and dragged the entire administration into the light of day. Dick Cheney shrieked once then burst into flames, the rest will be tried for crimes against the American people.

It's nice to see the revival of "Futurama." If only something could be done to save the subtle, overlooked "King Of The Hill," which is probably too laid back for the "Family Guy" frat-boy crowd.

Completely agree with the comments from Zoidberg and MNPundit. There's nothing clever about FG, just titillation for teens. I guess Fox had to find a cartoon to replace Married with Children. I'm stoked to learn that Futurama might return.

Wow someone else who remembers the fallout RPG series (not the crap that came after it). My friends and I have been wondering how a fallout MMORPG would sell.

Firefly isnt coming back, Whedon said whether or not the movie made money he wasnt going to bring it back to TV.

As far as West Wing, as much as I love the show, it may be time to end things. The race is coming to a close soon, and we have no idea what has already been filmed, so they may be able to get through the election. In that case the classy way to handle things would be to show the process of transition to the new administration, whoever may win, and close out the series finale with the inauguration of the new president.

Any possibility of a return of Futurama is good news!

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I nominate Admiral Fitzwallis (ret.), Bartlett's former JCS chairman, for the open spot on the Santos ticket. Recent episodes have made a thing of Santos' problems with black voters... plus there's the gravitas.

I nominate Admiral Fitzwallis (ret.)...

That character would be an excellent choice if he hadn't already been killed off a season or two ago.

If you are disappointed by a tv show going off the air, you may need to reevaluate your priorities. If you are disappointed by more than one show ending its existence, you need to get a life.

Firefly has good DVD sales, but the movie did poorly, so don't expect to see it again.

The programs you mentioned are insipid. That you can find any humor in them is a tribute to the laugh-track.

That's rich. Claims of "inspidiness" coming from someone with the name "Harmony".

You know what else is insipid? Claiming that you have the "one true view" on what is funny, and what isn't. Try some new material, Bushie.

Harmony,

None of the shows being disussed have a laugh track.

None of the shows being disussed have a laugh track.

And AD is with a single camera.

The thing is with AD, I've had friends who never watched it, were given a DVD of the first season and were hooked.

TV viewers are fickle these days and highly mobile, just because they like something on Monday nights doesn't mean they schedule their lives around it anymore.

They had the same debate about what happened to Sam over at Ezra's site a couple months ago. As for John Spenser, isn't it possible the episodes giving us the election result are already in the can?

[isn't it possible that the episodes giving the election result
are already in the can?]

The fan sites are pretty detailed about episodes that have
been filmed, and these go through episode 15 (they have
aired through 9, and the whole season is 22). Gov. Baker
of PA is the most logical choice for VP candidate to replace
McGarry, because he is already prominent (hence there is no
sense of desperation), he ended the convention on good terms
with Santos (unlike VP Russell, who in any case wouldn't want
to stay VP), and might help deliver PA, which is established as
a key swing state.

My daughter and I have been watching season 1 on DVD -- it's
certainly a lot better than the post-Sorkin product, but my main
feeling still is of how much I love these people and what they've
created.

With the death of Leo McGarry, Senator Lloyd Russell (first season) makes a return and is soon picked to be Santos' VP running mate after giving a rousing eulogy at McGarry's funeral. Russell eventually married Mandy Hampton, whom he was dating before he fired her. This makes for renewed sexual tensions between the VP's wife and Santos' Chief of Staff, Josh Lyman!!

Ed O'Neill makes the most sense. But I'd like these two considered:

1)Nancy McNally. She has as much foreign policy expertise as Leo, if not more. However, the ticket would be Caucasianless, and of course Caucasianless things cannot be taken seriously.

2) Toby's ex-wife. I don't want her picked, actually. I just want Josh to leak her name to the press and call her in for interviews, just to drive Toby up the ever-lovin' walls.

Santo's new Veep? Ed O'Neill makes the most sense. But I'd like these two considered:

1)Nancy McNally. She has as much foreign policy expertise as Leo, if not more. However, the ticket would be Caucasianless, and of course Caucasianless things cannot be taken seriously.

2) Toby's ex-wife. I don't want her picked, actually. I just want Josh to leak her name to the press and call her in for interviews, just to drive Toby up the ever-lovin' walls.