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January 5, 2006
By: Amy Sullivan

FINE YOUNG MAN....Condolences to Kevin and the USC Trojans, but what a game! Much as I hate to see a victory go to the president's favorite team and that dreadful hook 'em horns sign, Texas pulled out a heart-stopper of a win. Tied for MVP in my mind are Vince Young and his offensive line. Nearly every time someone was headed straight for Young, a well-placed block gave him just enough room to scramble. That fourth down touchdown was a thing of beauty.

Besides, I'd expect nothing less from the team that managed to beat the mighty, mighty Wolverines in last year's Rose Bowl.

UPDATE FROM KEVIN: Consider this an open thread for USC fans to whimper and Texas fans to gloat.

BTW, did everyone notice that all the BCS bowls were great games this year? The last few days have been chock full of terrific football.

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Amy, if it makes you feel any better, the Prez is just posturing if he calls UT his favorite team. Though I'm not sure what your quarrel is with the noble horns.

Wooooo! Go Horns! I just wish this had happened before I graduated.

Posted by: Carl on January 5, 2006 at 12:45 AM | PERMALINK

Hookum Horns! Stanfor 65, Texas 75

Virtu triumphs over the evil SC empire.
SC is a bunch of pros who can't win in a clutch.

-- the bears

Posted by: Thain Marston PhD '75 on January 5, 2006 at 12:51 AM | PERMALINK

As a Duck fan and Pac 10 watcher it became obvious some time ago-USC has great talent but extremely stupid coaching. The team, regardless of how great they are, cannot overcome moron coaching by Carroll. A yard to go and where is Reggie Bush-on the side lines. 19 seconds left and the opponent preparing for points after a touchdown and Carroll takes his last time out. What a total fucking moron. Maybe he's a great recruiter but as a sideline coach he's horrible. He doesn't seem to have a clue. With a decent thinking coach and the talent USC had, they would have won 66 to 30. USC really needs a coach.

Posted by: MRB on January 5, 2006 at 12:53 AM | PERMALINK

With all due respect to the O-line, Young is by far the MVP of the game and may have deserved it in a loss. SC's offense did everything in the 2nd half but finish the game.

Now we get to hear from whiny and obnoxious Texas fans for the next year. 2006 already sucks.

Posted by: Double B on January 5, 2006 at 12:53 AM | PERMALINK

Holy crap did we pull this one out! What an awesome game, and as an alum, I can officially say nothing more than 'hook 'em.'

Posted by: gibby on January 5, 2006 at 12:54 AM | PERMALINK

MRB, you're an idiot. LenDale White is the goalline guy for USC and has been all year. He had a great game. Maybe play action would have been better there, but it's hard to blame the offense for the loss. USC's defense just didn't have an answer for Young.

Posted by: Double B on January 5, 2006 at 12:56 AM | PERMALINK

As an Austinite going to school in Tennessee, I'm hard-pressed finding anybody that cares about this win in the slightest...everyone around me's grunting disinterestedly while discussing the Vols' chances for next year.

I shall celebrate nonetheless (about freaking time too). Score one for liberal pinko hippie-ish Austin!! Hook 'em!!

Posted by: Mary Eliz on January 5, 2006 at 12:56 AM | PERMALINK

Hook 'em Horns isn't remotely near as annoying as either FSU's Tomahawk Chop with whatever the hell that droning music(?) is, or USC's Vee for Victory along with the incessant repetition of "Conquest".

Posted by: Steve on January 5, 2006 at 12:56 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin, no gloating here. It was a helluva game. Besides, Texas was due. I seem to recall a couple recent SC national championships.

Posted by: Carl on January 5, 2006 at 12:57 AM | PERMALINK

Texas was great but in the end it was just a matter of time management. Carroll was to dense to understand this. Reggie Bush in with 4th and one yard and it was all over. Carroll, as he has shown many times all year, just doesn't have the mental capabilities to determine a proper course. All the talent USC had brought them this far-a thinking coach on the sidelines would have made this game, like many other games this season for USC, a blowout. The team could not overcome the moron coach.

Posted by: MRB on January 5, 2006 at 12:58 AM | PERMALINK

The Huskers beating Michigan was also a great game.

Posted by: Martin L. Martens on January 5, 2006 at 1:03 AM | PERMALINK

I take it some young fellows have engaged in an athletic contest upon a sporting-pitch.

Posted by: Goran on January 5, 2006 at 1:04 AM | PERMALINK

What a game! Hook 'em horns!

Posted by: swhaustinite on January 5, 2006 at 1:04 AM | PERMALINK

Actually, the UT offensive line does not deserve equal credit. Vince Young had probably the best single game performance ever in college football--276 yards passing, 200 yards rushing, and 3 rushing touchdowns.

Pete Carroll did a horrible job with his defensive calls tonight. U.S.C. never did anything to try to pressure Young. Young was allowed time to make reads and throws, and he absolutely destroyed the Trojans. And that U.S.C. secondary was pathetic. My point is that Vince Young won that game. Given the way he played tonight combined with how the Trojans' defense played, the UT line could have been terrible, and Texas still probably would have won.

And U.S.C. did some stupid things after Young scored the winning TD. Burning their last timeout before the 2-point conversion was moronic. Leinart allowing the clock to run out on the last play was boneheaded. Not that S.C. could have made the long field goal, but at least give your kicker the chance.

Posted by: WCharles on January 5, 2006 at 1:04 AM | PERMALINK

Do not be a killjoy by mentioning El Presidente's name along with our university. We cant help that he wants to associate with something that is winning for a change. Our university is the only lone liberal bastion in the red wilderness and my team is the best on the land this year and the greatest team of all time according to ESPN was not the best team this year.
Hook'em Horns

Posted by: Kool on January 5, 2006 at 1:04 AM | PERMALINK

BTW, I am a lifelong Texan that hates UT football, but even I have to say the Longhorns deserved to win tonight. They were the better team.

Posted by: WCharles on January 5, 2006 at 1:07 AM | PERMALINK

Leinert just referred to Vince Young as "a freakish athlete." Maybe so, but it sure sounds like a childish thing to say.

Young is the best college football player I've ever seen, and I'm a pretty old dude -- better than Vick, better than Elway at Stanford, even better than Marshall Faulk as a freshman at SDSU.

Somehow, someway Denver's gotta trade all their future picks for the next half century to get Young...

Posted by: The Dad on January 5, 2006 at 1:08 AM | PERMALINK

Double B-back off. I'll refrain from calling you names if you'll show me some courtesy. Texas could not stop USC either, reflected by the closeness in scoring. But some huge errors by USC coaching made a vast difference as it has in several games USC played during the season. Carroll has no concept of the flow of the game. He just hopes that a couple of fantastic players can somehow pull it out. If USC had Oregon's coach and coaching staff this would have been a blowout. Oregon could only wish that they had talent that USC wasted. All Carroll had to do was manage the clock. What a dimwit.

Posted by: MRB on January 5, 2006 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK

Dad--Right after the game, Leinart also said Young was one of the best players in the nation. I think his "freakish athlete" statement was probably meant as a compliment.

Posted by: WCharles on January 5, 2006 at 1:10 AM | PERMALINK

As an Austinine, a UT alum, and someone willing to at least consider joining whatever cult Vince Young wants to form, I loved the outcome but I was distressed by the officiating. Not sure it would have impacted the game either way as it ultimately turned out, but boy did the zebras blow more than one key call.

As an aside, Im sure it was different in Southern California, but here in Austin you would not believe the hype this game got, in the local newspaper and the local news for the last few days. We have no pro sports here, and every other person seems to be an alum, and we think we should win every year but it's been 35 since we have done so, so you can imagine the insanity.

Local news reports enthusiastic "whoo!"s in the streets but no riots, so I am happy.

Posted by: aplomb on January 5, 2006 at 1:10 AM | PERMALINK

The Sugar Bowl- WVU vs UGa was about as good as this game. GO MOUNTAINEERS - look out next year horns!

Posted by: kw on January 5, 2006 at 1:10 AM | PERMALINK


Ooohh, this is shaping up to be a bad year for Kevin.
The bookends to his bad year will be USC's loss tonight and the GOP's solid win in November.

It is tough being a USC-supporting Democrat these days.

Can't really even root for disater in Iraq anymore as that seems to be going pretty well.

Hmmm, maybe we can root for a weak economy. We can salivate over high oil prices and how they might lower Bush's approval ratings, but damn, the economy keeps on ticking and creating jobs.

What bad stuff can we root for?

Posted by: Jimbo on January 5, 2006 at 1:12 AM | PERMALINK

Austin's not really part of Texas, so it's OK to root for them. Also, UT's a public school, so another plus.

That, and holy jeebus, Vince Young is unbelievable.

Posted by: golambek on January 5, 2006 at 1:14 AM | PERMALINK

also, would like to add, I'm an alum by virtue of graduating from UT Law, an institution that refused to admit George W. Bush. If he claims any satisfaction from this victory, feel free to remind him we wasn't good enough to attend this school when he wanted to get in.

Posted by: Aplomb on January 5, 2006 at 1:15 AM | PERMALINK

Leinert just referred to Vince Young as "a freakish athlete." Maybe so, but it sure sounds like a childish thing to say.

Kids today. Why I remember when being a freak was a bad thing, back before Rick James...

Posted by: me2i81 on January 5, 2006 at 1:15 AM | PERMALINK

Aplomb--very well stated! :-)

Posted by: WCharles on January 5, 2006 at 1:16 AM | PERMALINK

Yea, aplomb, once when flying into Dallas I overheard a Texan in the seat behind me, as she pointed out the window at Texas stadium, exclaim, "There's where everything here happens, the most important spot." I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry.

Posted by: MRB on January 5, 2006 at 1:17 AM | PERMALINK

I thought last night's game between Penn St. and Florida St. was the best game ever. What heart! What strength! I fully expected all the players to just...expire on the field after it was over. Magnificent! And all the underdog upsets in the bowls. Love it when that happens. Best bowl season in a long time.

I'm not a huge fan, but congratulations to the University of Texas Longhorns. A bigger congrats go to the Big 12 Conference for going to a total of 8 bowl games and winning 5 of them! And they said we were weak this year. Ha.

But the one thing that gives me comfort at this end of another college football season?

The knowledge that somewhere a Texas Aggie is crying himself to sleep tonight.

That said, I still hate burnt orange and think Bevo should be barbecued. Hook 'em Horns.

Posted by: san antone rose on January 5, 2006 at 1:24 AM | PERMALINK

Foooooootbaaaaaaalllllllll !!

And I don't mean soccer.

What a game!!!

Posted by: yesh on January 5, 2006 at 1:24 AM | PERMALINK

Hey, I'm a local USC fan at the moment (I move around a lot), but I just saw the greatest national championship game I've ever seen. Vince Young is a rock star, and Pete ended up finally paying for all the risks he takes. USC still had a chance there at the end, thanks to Reggie, but Leinart took up too much time making a play, and Texas came up on defense. And don't forget Lendale White. Radical game, and who could ask for more?

Congratulations to Texas! And to the Trojans, for 34 straight!

Posted by: Jimm on January 5, 2006 at 1:26 AM | PERMALINK

Texas is not the President's team, in spite of him rooting for the Horns. His team is A&M, which houses daddy's library and voted for him overwhelmingly. UT in Austin is basically Wisconsin in Madison with much better weather.

Way to go Horns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tonight down here in Austin I shall dream well.

Posted by: Marc on January 5, 2006 at 1:26 AM | PERMALINK

And talk about officiating...those Sun Belt refs in the Nebraska/Michigan game were AWFUL.

My gawd that game was painful to watch.

Our AlamoBowl has been good to the cornhat wearing Huskers. Last year they whooped Michigan St.

Posted by: san antone rose on January 5, 2006 at 1:28 AM | PERMALINK

Nobody knows how to play defense anymore. (and don't let the Orange Bowl confuse you; crap offense and incompetent placekicking is not the same as great defense.)

Much as I hate to see anyone from Texas profit (as a Crimson Tider, I currently have beef with UT, A&M, and UTEP), it's comforting to see ESPN embarassed in their relentless gushery over USC.

The real tragedy is that this was probably Keith Jackson's last game, and the caliber of brain-donors working in play-by-play these days makes me weep for the future.

Posted by: jon on January 5, 2006 at 1:29 AM | PERMALINK

Oh and by the way, the biggest problem with this win?

Marshall Wittman is NEVER. GOING. TO. SHUT. UP. ABOUT. IT.

Posted by: jon on January 5, 2006 at 1:33 AM | PERMALINK

Hook 'em Horns!!!!!

The Tower in top-to-bottom orange - what a bee-yoo-ti-ful sight!

Posted by: Paula Johnson on January 5, 2006 at 1:33 AM | PERMALINK

Some football fan should explain that game. I've really never seen anything like Young's performance. You can certainly criticize SC's coaching decisions, but I've really never seen anything like that last drive. Oh, you see plenty of drives with Favre/Elway/Manning/Montana types picking out quality receivers, but Young played this game like a combination of a good QB and a great Running back.

By comparison, Leinart looked like he could barely run.

Young had enough passing touch to open up 10-15 yards of free space behind the line of scrimmage, then there was absolutely no doubt he was going to get into that space. The only question was whether he could be held to a mere 10 yards per run.

Finally, unlike other quarterbacks who can scramble, he was very hard to tackle -- the guy ran for 200 yards and didn't even get hit!

Posted by: hank on January 5, 2006 at 1:36 AM | PERMALINK

Gloat, gloat, gloat.

As for Texas being Bush's favorite team, no one can be wrong all the time. The law of averages states that he will be right at least once, and backing the Longhorns is that one time.

Besides, Austin is such a weird, liberal sort of place that it is hard to think of creepy Texas Republicans liking UT. I always picture them as Aggie fans.

Posted by: Nate-N on January 5, 2006 at 1:42 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, it is okay for liberals to root for U of Texas. I certainly did. A conservative once Texan said to me, "Austin? That's where all the gays come from." And he meant it. He practically spat out the words. Since then, I've been a big Longhorns fan. And watching Vince Young tear U of Colorado apart this season -- one of my two winning yet pathetic teams -- not once but twice, I couldn't imagine USC being good enough to beat them, even with their higher ranking and unbelievable win streak. Well, they almost did, but the details (officiating, time management, big 4th-down plays) didn't favor USC. Still, when one player is responsible for 6/7ths of his team's offensive output in a national championship game, you gotta think the Heisman voters screwed the pooch.

Young will go pro and I will continue to hold him in awe, I'm sure.

Posted by: The Dad on January 5, 2006 at 1:43 AM | PERMALINK

BTW... Hook 'em Horns!

Posted by: Nate-N on January 5, 2006 at 1:47 AM | PERMALINK

Indeed, a marvelous performance by the top quarterback in college football--nonetheless, not the most impressive of the season. Yeah, I know. Texas just won the national championship over a school that had not lost a game since 09/27/03, how could anything be better? Well, I was there in Columbus on the night of September 10, when a savage Buckeye defense battered and bruised Vince Young for the better part of three quarters; he was sacked, hurried, and forced into more than one miscue. OSU had a terrific defense, particularly their linebacking corps led by the Lombardi Award winner, but in the end could not stop a late drive and end zone pass by the Heisman finalist. USC simply did not have the defense to contain the most explosive QB to ever play college football, but even when someone did (at home, no less) #10 still got it done. Obviously, more than one OSU partisan has a bit of a passing interest in whether Vince Young skips his senior season, there is that matter of a little game in Austin come next autumn.

Posted by: M. E. G. on January 5, 2006 at 1:54 AM | PERMALINK

Don't worry. If the Aggies were winning a national championship, GWB would be an Aggie fan. Most successful Texas politicians pull that off. But GWB has lived in Austin and not in College Station.

Tom DeLay famously urged parents not to send their children to either Baylor or A&M, apparently thinking both are dens of Godless evil. He got kicked out of Baylor for an undescribed bit of mischief committed in College Station.

But about the game.

True to form, the winning touchdown was a broken play. All the receivers were covered.

Both defenses were extraordinary. Most of the season Vince Young has left the game after the first drive of the second half. Ohio State and USC kept him in for an entire game and held him to under 40 points.

Sadly, Young stopped just short of saying he would be back next year.

Posted by: CSProf on January 5, 2006 at 2:01 AM | PERMALINK

Big Longhorn fan here. But I've gotta say something to MRB about Pete Carroll. The coach is no moron. 34 game win streak. 2 national titles. Nearly won this game. How can anyone possibly kvetch about Carroll?

Sheesh.

Posted by: SS on January 5, 2006 at 2:04 AM | PERMALINK

You can criticize Carroll for blowing that time out (I did at the time), but for using White instead of Bush on the fourth down play? It's not like White didn't have 124 yards on 20 carries.

SC fans--this is what I felt like last year after Texas beat Michigan. No one should be surprised. Young has improved as a passer since last year, but he had he same kind of game running the ball (21-192 for four touchdowns on the ground and and 16-28 for 180 yards, a touchdown and an interception in last year's Rose Bowl).

Posted by: mwg on January 5, 2006 at 2:05 AM | PERMALINK

This outstanding game has nothing to do with politics. Nothing to do with who wins next Novembers elections. Nothing to do with which side of the political aisle we reside. Everything to do with sports at its finest. From a Wisconsin Badger fan, I say "hook em horns".

Posted by: Steve on January 5, 2006 at 2:10 AM | PERMALINK

How can anyone possibly kvetch about Carroll?

Exactly! If either of my two winning [yet pathetic] college teams were to hire Carroll, they would become Top 10 teams before the end of his first season.

And M.E.G. is right about fans of opposing teams rooting for Young to go pro. I'm about as enthusiastic to see U of Colorado play against him next year as I am to see the Broncos play against whatever team is fortunate enough to draft him.

Posted by: The Dad on January 5, 2006 at 2:11 AM | PERMALINK

Wow! This just goes to show that Heisman voters are easily swayed by hype and a few big plays. Vince Young put an exclamation point on the fact that he is the greatest player in college football today, one of the greatest ever.

USC played a great game, they deserve to be congratulated. VY just put the game on his shoulders and carried the Horns to victory.

By the way, as others have mentioned, don't hate on the horns because we are from Texas. Bush was rejected trying to get in and the family has never embraced the University (they are aggie fans despite Jenna).

Posted by: Will McKenna on January 5, 2006 at 2:17 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin, I'm sorry--I put my pro-Horn snark on the wrong comments. I am so overwhelmed with victory I'm not sure what key to hit--

Still, the best team won, and if I have to apologize to the whole nation for that idiot in the white house, I will--

Posted by: Canid on January 5, 2006 at 2:33 AM | PERMALINK

Pete is definitely a great coach, but his penchant for risk-taking and nonchalance got the better of him tonight. And not challenging the touchdown scored on the pitch by Vince Young in the first half, when his knee was clearly down, was stupid (though I wouldn't go so far to say Pete is stupid, just cocky). And going for it on 4th down, instead of making Texas bring it 80-90 yards for the winning touchdown, when they scored the winning touchdown with 19 seconds left only having to travel 55 yards, again a questionable decision. But that's Pete, and Lendale White is awesome (anyone who says Reggie should have ran that 4th down play is insane).

Still, Vince Young came up big. The guy is awesome. Though there are definitely ways to criticize Pete for his game management, and also the Texas coach for not going for 2 earlier in the game to make up for the lost extra point, the bottom line is that the game was won on the field by playmakers, and the best playmaker in the game, or at least the last playmaker on the field with enough time to make a difference, was Vince Young.

I just hope noone forgets that Reggie Bush put USC in a remarkable position to take a long field goal to put this game in overtime. In the rush after that play, however, Leinart f'd up and took up too much time scrambling around instead of just throwing it and praying for a 15 yard completion. That was another example of a bad play call, as I was calling for the pass to Reggie Bush in the flat with 19 seconds left, but once he got his 25-30 yards, all USC needed was another slant to Jarrett for 15 yards and go for the kick. But it's difficult in the chaos at the end of the game, and Texas won, and Vince Young is a rock star.

Give USC 30 more seconds though, and the Trojans won. Last team with the ball WOULD have won, with just a few more ticks.

Posted by: Jimm on January 5, 2006 at 2:45 AM | PERMALINK

This was the best championship game I've ever seen, and I wouldn't change a thing. In some ways, Vince deserves his accolades, since Reggie got the Heisman. Everyone gets something.

Posted by: Jimm on January 5, 2006 at 2:48 AM | PERMALINK

Yes indeed this was a fine season of college football bowl games, although I do think my LSU Tigers were better than their ranking....you try playing 11 games in 10 weeks under the conditions they started with....but tonight's USC/Texas game was probably the best football game I've watched in a decade on any level. Just a spectacular game. Hats off to Mack Brown and his Longhorns.

Posted by: Nathan on January 5, 2006 at 2:57 AM | PERMALINK

CSPROF: Don't worry. If the Aggies were winning a national championship, GWB would be an Aggie fan. Most successful Texas politicians pull that off. But GWB has lived in Austin and not in College Station.
----

CS, you are not informing our national readers that Aggies dominate Texas state government--Gov, Lt Gov, and SPeaker. It's time those hippies at UT got some respect (and I say this as an A&M teacher--well, one who got his BA at UT).

Posted by: Canid on January 5, 2006 at 3:03 AM | PERMALINK

Entertaining game...

Has anyone seen a greater brain fart than Reggie Bush's lateral in the first half? Good God...

Posted by: Patrick on January 5, 2006 at 3:06 AM | PERMALINK

i was rooting for SC, but man o man, what a ball game! and that Young fellah, yikes! i wonder if bush goes first in the draft after this game!

Posted by: bluebird on January 5, 2006 at 3:29 AM | PERMALINK

Jimm - as i understand college rules, the coaches do NOT have the option of calling for a review, only those three guys in the box. no doubt about it, they blew it on the call. Young's knee was clearly down. but you can't blame it on Pete Carrol.

Posted by: bluebird on January 5, 2006 at 3:36 AM | PERMALINK

Texas will be just a very good team next year, without Vince Young. But SC will still be great, even without Leinart, Bush and (possibly) LenDale White. They are that deep. And regardless of what anyone says about the fourth-down call (it was the most logical, since Texas hadn't stopped LenDale White all game), Pete Carroll is a better coach and recruiter than Mack Brown--although beating Oklahoma and winning a national title should temporarily silence the alums who had been calling for Brown's head.

BTW, all those from outside of Texas who deride UT as a school philosophically in tune with the prez, don't have a clue. Austin is like an oasis of progressivism and sanity in a sea of red (necks). Whoever said A&M reflected Bush values was much closer to the mark, judging by the behavior of its graduates in the legislature and elsewhere (Halliburton, Kellog Brown and Root, etc.).

Posted by: DevilDog on January 5, 2006 at 3:38 AM | PERMALINK

Yup--A&M is a red school in a red county in a red state...There are, however, blue spots here!

On a sports level: I predict Vince will be back in college next year....

Posted by: Canid on January 5, 2006 at 4:08 AM | PERMALINK

Good news: the spoiled children lost

Bad news: to the baja oklahomans

Posted by: natural cynic on January 5, 2006 at 5:17 AM | PERMALINK

I will most certainly be asking for a refund on my grad school tuition at USC.

Did they miss the Michigan-Texas rose bowl last year???

Vince Young did it again. Great game. To LenDale White, as well, undoubtedly the most underrated player in the NCAA (until Paterno gets some pads on).

To be honest, if I wasn't presently attending the Uni, I'd be puking from hearing the fight song almost daily on all Things Considered this past week.

Posted by: revolute on January 5, 2006 at 5:30 AM | PERMALINK

vince young is the second coming of michael vick.

now, u.s.-style football fans, onto the super bowl!

Posted by: harry near indy on January 5, 2006 at 6:36 AM | PERMALINK

Hats off from this Ohio State fan to the 'Horns. As much as I adore Troy Smith and Charlie Frye, I'd swap either of them for Vince Young in a heartbeat. Great googly moogly, that kid's scary good - he's got a helluva future ahead of him either at UT or in the pros. (Swap one steer on the helmet for another?)

The Buckeyes punked the Domer Homers, State Penn cleaned house against Free Shoes U, That School Up North lost, and the 'Horns blew up USC's bandwagon. It's been all good this bowl season.

Posted by: Dustbin Of History on January 5, 2006 at 7:07 AM | PERMALINK

"onto the super bowl!"
Posted by: harry near indy

Amen!! Wha-da-ya say about a Manning VS Manning Bowl this year. HAHA Ain't gonna happen but it would be fun to watch.

Posted by: Lurker42 on January 5, 2006 at 7:14 AM | PERMALINK

Echoing numbers of other posters, UT is not the Prez's favorite team. His Daddy put the library at hated A & M (otherwise known as Brazon Jr. College)our rivals since the 1890's.

This is such sweet payback for the Fred Akers Drought I endured in college. Hook 'em!!!!

Posted by: Karen Cox on January 5, 2006 at 8:22 AM | PERMALINK

I'm not going to whimper. USC was pathetic for 3 quarters. Reggie Bush trying a pitch as he's being tackled. Leinart going for it on 4th down when the coach was just trying to draw an offsides penalty before kicking a field goal. And what was up with taking their final timeout before Texas' two-point conversion? The coaching staff also did a horrible job. USC plays a half-baked game and still should have won.

Posted by: Matt Lantz on January 5, 2006 at 8:33 AM | PERMALINK

All I can say is, thankfully UT won. I couldn't stand watching college football this season, if only because of the excessive praise lavished upon the USC Trojans. They are a very good team in a weak division. If they played half the schedule of LSU or Penn State, they would have lost at least one game each season. They were not the best team of the last 50 years as ESPN likes to claim. And that Notre Dame game, sheesh.

But, good game, two great offensive teams in a slugfest..

Next year, Penn State and Notre Dame are going to be tough opponents.

Posted by: ChrisS on January 5, 2006 at 8:51 AM | PERMALINK

vince young is the second coming of michael vick.

Vince Young is a taller, stronger Michael Vick with a more accurate arm and a more powerful running style. Young could be a star running back in the NFL, but Vick would only be a scatback. Young could be a real NFL quarterback; Vick is a gimmick quarterback.

Posted by: dave munger on January 5, 2006 at 9:22 AM | PERMALINK

I suspect that most of those here who are so eager to make sure everyone knows UT isn't really George Bush's team were yelling at the TV last night praying that a team from Bush's state didn't win the national championship. It was a football game, people. Those of you who are compelled to make everything about GWB need to look in the mirror. Do you realize how fucking pathetic you appear. Get away from the computer, stop jacking off to internet porn all day, and go get laid, for God's sake!

Posted by: Billy Bob Shranzburg on January 5, 2006 at 9:29 AM | PERMALINK

Heisman what?

Reggie who?

Posted by: J on January 5, 2006 at 9:31 AM | PERMALINK

Vince Young proved on the field that he's the best player in college football and that the Heisman voters are overly enamored with West Coast teams and players from defending national champions.

Bush is a great player, but Young was better and the voters should have known it.

Revenge is sweat.

Posted by: Advocate for God on January 5, 2006 at 9:33 AM | PERMALINK

Dave Munger:

For Young to be a great NFL QB, he has to learn how NOT to run. Truly successfuly QB's in the NFL have to learn the patience to stay in the pocket longer. Having great speed leads too often to QB's bailing and taking off. Scrambling, buying time, all while looking to throw are important, but an NFL QB needs to win with the arm, not the feet.

But he is an exciting player to watch - it will be interesting how he lands in the NFL.

Posted by: E. Henry Thripshaw on January 5, 2006 at 9:40 AM | PERMALINK

Regarding the blown call on the Vince Young lateral, it was later reported that the replay equipment was malfunctioning during that sequence, so there was nothing the officials could do about it. At live speed, it was really hard to tell, I didn't think the officiating was that bad.

Given the choice, would you start your team with Vince Young, Reggie Bush, or Lienert? Maybe the Supreme COurt should get involved in the Heisman results. Why do they choose that thing before all the games are over?

Posted by: klondijk on January 5, 2006 at 9:41 AM | PERMALINK

Thripshaw: For Young to be a great NFL QB, he has to learn how NOT to run. Truly successfuly QB's in the NFL have to learn the patience to stay in the pocket longer. Having great speed leads too often to QB's bailing and taking off. Scrambling, buying time, all while looking to throw are important, but an NFL QB needs to win with the arm, not the feet.

Fran Tarkenton, Michael Vick, and Duante Culpepper would beg to differ.

Posted by: Advocate for God on January 5, 2006 at 9:45 AM | PERMALINK

klondijk: At live speed, it was really hard to tell, I didn't think the officiating was that bad.

I didn't watch enough of the game to tell, but the blown call on the Vince Young lateral was matched by the blown call on the ball trapped by USC #2 which was wrongly ruled a catch.

Besides, Texas almost certainly would have scored on that series even if they had ruled Young down.

Posted by: Advocate for God on January 5, 2006 at 9:48 AM | PERMALINK

UT is a blue school in a blue city, and USC is a red school in a blue city.

However, aside from politics, as a Jayhawk fan, Young made me a Young believer last year. UT came into Lawrence thinking all they had to do was suit up. The Jayhawks almost stunned them. We were leading with less than two minutes to go and had them in a 4th and 17 situation. KU went into a 3 man rush and a prevent defense. Young quickly surveyed the field and took off. An All Big 12 linebacker was assigned to Young. He slammed into Young and was left clutching air while Young scrambled for 18 yards. Two plays later he threw the winning TD. We went to Austin for "revenge" and were smashed.

Young will be a tremendous pro. The Texans will also take Bush. With Carr, a new coach and McNair opening the vault to bring in free agent offensive linemen, the Texans will improve.

Yes, the much maligned Big-12 did win five bowl games with Iowa State losing a 3 point heartbreaker.

Mr Young, please turn pro.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on January 5, 2006 at 10:04 AM | PERMALINK

The whole point of DeLay's little redistricting stunt was to slice Austin up like a pie so the area would essentially have no representation whatsoever in the House. Dilute their vote by stacking the deck with rural (red) and exurban (ditto) types with their NRA bumperstickers.

There's the little matter of Dear (Yale cheerleader anyway) Leader's shenanigans vis a vis the Board of Regents and handing the UT endowment over to his deep pocket pals who'd bailed him out of Harkin. Speaks volumes about W's committment to UT and he ought to be ashamed to try to...um...horn in on the accomplishments of these kids and their fine coach.

But we all know that the Dear Leader doesn't know the meaning of the word 'shame'.

Rose Bowl was great. Orange Bowl was a trainwreck.

Hook em, Horns!

Posted by: CFShep on January 5, 2006 at 10:15 AM | PERMALINK

The better team won. No way SC gets into 3 championship games in a row if they were in the Big 10, the SEC, or probably even the Big 12, and SC didn't do anything all year nearly as impressive as Texas beating Ohio St on the road.

Wonder how either team would have done against a team that had to rely on defense to win, like Penn St. Neither one tackled very well last night.

Posted by: bucky20816 on January 5, 2006 at 10:54 AM | PERMALINK

CFShep,

Being somewhat lazy to google this morning, didn't Twigless turn over the endowment to the real estate developer who bought the Rangers in a sweet heart land deal and thereby enrich Twig to the tune of around 15 mil?

Posted by: thethirdPaul on January 5, 2006 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

3rd Paul...um...being equally too lazy (late nights watching Orange and Rose Bowls - stifling unladylike yawn) to scan through my copy of Bushwacked to dispute the point - all comes down to Dear Leader = No friend to UT & Austin.

Okay?

Posted by: CFShep on January 5, 2006 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

Last night's game was ome of the best football I've ever seen. Both teams did a superb job and both are to be commended.

Posted by: Gregory on January 5, 2006 at 11:01 AM | PERMALINK

Tripshaw:

I agree with you -- I just think he has a better shot at doing that than Vick, assuming he lands with a decent pro team.

Advocate:

I think you're right, to a certain extent. But Vick doesn't throw well enough to be a great quarterback like Tarkenton or Culpepper. I think Steve Young might be a better choice for that group, and possibly the best comparison to Vince Young, except Vince is a better runner.

Posted by: dave munger on January 5, 2006 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

Bobby Douglas and Randall Cunningham - Oh well, Bobby couldn't throw.

Tom Hicks, the Billionaire investment banker and developer gave money to Ann Richards. She named him to the Board of Regents - He then gave money to Bush and after becoming the Guv, Bush agreed to help pass the UTIMCO act and then named Hicks to become the first Chairman of this little gold mine - Investing in Enron and PetroChina - Hicks then paid Bush back by buying the Rangers - He and his firm are in the top five contributors to Twigless and the Repubs. Hicks was finally forced to resign from UTIMCO after the Houston Chronicle reported on mismanagement in the investments.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on January 5, 2006 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK

But wouldn't it be even better if all of those games had been playoff games, providing an extra dimension to each?

Posted by: Jeremy on January 5, 2006 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

Ralph Ellison's book, The Invisible Man, has an early passage where a young African American man in the South goes to a Chamber of Commerce type event where the young men are given boxing gloves, blindfolded and told to slug it out for a dollar or some small amount of money. Of course, they knock themselves silly.

Ever since reading that passage, I have not been able to watch football with the same enthusiasm, especially college football. There were some vicious hits in that game last night. I hope no one was seriously hurt and the young men achieve their academic goals.

Posted by: Powerpuff on January 5, 2006 at 11:58 AM | PERMALINK

I don't think that UT is GWBush's fave team by a long shot. Austin and UT are liberal oases in the Texas desert. GWB is more of an Aggie, and so I'm sure he took no pleasure in the Texas victory.

Hook'em Horns

Posted by: Clementine on January 5, 2006 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK

Powerpuff: I don't think the football metaphor could really have been Ellison's intention. The book was published in 1952, when few black players were playing major college football, and none were in the south. I have heard old racist southerners describing football as "watching the monkeys beat each other up," though, so regardless of Ellison's intentions, that may be de facto what college football has become.

Posted by: dave munger on January 5, 2006 at 12:22 PM | PERMALINK

Although I am not as down on college football as powerpuff, there is the shadow of the fact that plenty of people are making a ton of money off of games like that, and its not the majority of the players (clearly, some of last nights stars will have pro careers, but what, 75%, 90% of each team will not?).

I've become a bit of a soccer fan recently due to my kids starting to play. What does that have to do with college football, you say? Well, in Europe, there really is no equivalent to college football, or college sports in general. Their sport, soccer, supports not only the top league, but professional league after league below the top league.

So, for example, in San Francisco you support the 49ers, and then you or other people also support Stanford, Cal, and maybe San Jose State. That's four teams, but only the players on one of the teams make any money.

In soccer, all four equivalent teams would be professional, and the players on all four would be able to earn a living.

It bothers me to think that for some of the seniors last night, a career in waste management awaits. Those kids have all demonstrated character and guts.

Posted by: hank on January 5, 2006 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

I have to give a little credit to A & M. I saw a maroon sweatshirt with what looked like a longhorn attached by giant Band - Aids and the legend "Just for Today, Gig 'Em Horns."

After all that niceness, I need to slam CNN for the article on their website which spent its second paragraph describing Young's misery at the Heisman ceremony where he, in their words, "lost by a landslide." Jeez, guys, why suggest that Vince Young is a poor sport in an article about what was a blindingly brillant performance in the title game? Really, they could have left that part out.

Finally, my guess is that Young will be back, if only because he wants his own Heisman trophy. Besides, he can wait another year to end up with whoever dwells in the NFL's cellar. Let's just hope Houston can cling to their dismal record until Young is in the draft.

Posted by: Karen Cox on January 5, 2006 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

Although I am not as down on college football as powerpuff, there is the shadow of the fact that plenty of people are making a ton of money off of games like that, and its not the majority of the players (clearly, some of last nights stars will have pro careers, but what, 75%, 90% of each team will not?).

That's the big story that the NCAA would people rather not focus on. A basketball player from Duke wondered aloud why he couldn't profit from people buying a Duke jersey with his name on the back. Granted, the students get free tuition, mostly. There are hundreds of millions being made from collegiate sports and little of it finds its way into the students' pockets or even applied to their education. Hire a couple of new sports administrators for several (hundred?) thousand or a few more professors?

Posted by: ChrisS on January 5, 2006 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

Even if you focus on it I'm not sure what to do about it. For all of the college sports other than say, football and basketball, the teams probably don't make any money, so if you play, say college tennis, the free tuition or room and board is a great deal.

I just thought the contrast between the level of commitment necessary to make the SC or Texas team, the money generated by this game, and how much of it gets down to the players is somehow out of whack.

Posted by: hank on January 5, 2006 at 1:20 PM | PERMALINK

" that dreadful hook 'em horns sign"

Riiight.
Good work helping the righties make their point that WE'RE the repressive, anal kill-joys and THEY'RE the party of fun, frivolity, and freedom.

Right. The party that says no sex w/o the "punishment" of childbirth, and of course marriage (unless you're a Republican); no drugs (unless you're a Republcan); no gambling (ditto); no homosex at all (unless you're a Republican)... but WE'RE the killjoys. And then, of course, we PROVE THEM RIGHT.

Can we PLEASE stop playing into their memes?

Posted by: smartalek on January 5, 2006 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

Fran Tarkenton, Michael Vick, and Duante Culpepper would beg to differ.
Posted by: Advocate for God on January 5, 2006 at 9:45 AM | PERMALINK

And add Steve Young. But he only became championship material when he looked longer, and was not so quick to run. That is my point. The great running quarterbacks coming out of college will still ultimately win championships in the NFL with their arms. A scrambling quarterback is more and more important, but they (IMO) should always look to pass first."

Also, my earlier post had a typo. I meant to say:

"Scrambling, buying time, all while looking to throw are important, FOR an NFL QB needs to win with the arm, not the feet.

Also of note, none of the three you refer to won the ultimate prize, though certainly Vick, and Culpepper still could.

Posted by: E. Henry Thripshaw on January 5, 2006 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

I went to bed at halftime, at ~10:30 EST. I seem to have missed a lively second half, but (a) some of us have to go to work in the morning, and (b) who'd have known, from the first half, that the second half would be a scoring orgy?

I notice that UT's margin of victory was less than one touchdown - and their first TD should have been disallowed; the ball-carrier was down before he lateraled to the guy who scored.

Maybe they would have scored anyway on that drive - but they weren't an irresistible force at that point in the game.

Posted by: RT on January 5, 2006 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

How about a revote of the Heisman?

This ND fan is very happy to see UT avenge the Fighting Irish loss to the Trojans on Oct 15 (a great day of college football, BTW)

Posted by: Domer Daughter's Dad on January 5, 2006 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

Can't really even root for disater in Iraq anymore as that seems to be going pretty well.

There's a difference between rooting for disaster and recognizing that one is already ongoing. Unless you don't consider the 100+ dead today, including 7 more GIs, to be a problem.

On football, I have to agree with my fellow Buckeyes fan upthread. OSU wins, those blue and maize people lose, and both Texas and Penn St. win. Solid set of bowl results (and Toledo won too).

Posted by: libdevil on January 5, 2006 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

Amy,

The USC victory over Michigan was 2 years ago. USC thumped Oklahoma last year in the Rose Bowl.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on January 5, 2006 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

Besides, Texas almost certainly would have scored on that series even if they had ruled Young down. (Advocate FG)

Let's see... "almost certainly"...

Saying Texas certainly would have scored... is pretty clear. But saying "almost" certainly, would appear to mean they would NOT have scored, or almost scored... but not quite. And by scored, you would include a field goal, right?

Given that, I would agree you, Advocate. I think Texas would have opted for a field goal, which would have changed the outcome.

But you sure are a tricky wordster!! :-)

Posted by: pencarrow on January 5, 2006 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

What is with all the liberal Austin hype? New York is liberal. San Francisco is liberal. Chicago is liberal. Boston is liberal. Austin just happens to be a lot more liberal than it's surrounding area. Doesn't make it liberal. Just makes it less insane. You have one music festival and all of a sudden, it's like living in a Bohemian wonderland. Bullshit. Don't forget that this is a city that went for Bush in 2000!

As for redoing the Heisman, let's remember the award goes to the most OUTSTANDING college football player. Young is certainly the most valuable to his team, but the only time I came out of my seat yesterday was on Bush's TD run. He had the corner once all day and scored a TD on it.

MRB--Texas didn't stop USC all day either which is very impressive considering how good Texas defense was. USC certainly could have won the football game, but made a few too many mistakes that cost them in the end. As far as the clock, what do you want USC to do? Score less quickly? As an aside, Oregon wins that Holiday Bowl by 2 TDs if Clemons plays. Very impressed with Oregon's defense.

Posted by: Double B on January 5, 2006 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

Given the logic ESPN used when they were hyping USC, USC was the second greatest team in recent history. Since it took favorable ball placement and an illegal play for USC to beat ND, ND must be USC's equal. Since OSU beat ND, they must be better than USC. I will never have to watch college football again because I saw four of the five greatest football teams ever play this year.

Furthermore, with their logic, since Texas barely beat OSU and USC, and OSU beat ND, who is USC's equal, OSU must the best team this year.

Please don't use this logic to try show that some pudunk school is the greatest, because they beat a school who beat a school who almost beat someone else. This logic pattern fades out like the air off a drafting race car.

Posted by: Homer Abernathy on January 5, 2006 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

Double B: As for redoing the Heisman, let's remember the award goes to the most OUTSTANDING college football player. Young is certainly the most valuable to his team, but the only time I came out of my seat yesterday was on Bush's TD run. He had the corner once all day and scored a TD on it.

You should have come out of your seat for Young's three TD runs, including a fourth down must have run to win the game.

If you didn't come out of your seat for that last one, then I have to suspect you of bias.

Young had more than twice Bush's yardage during the title game and he didn't have any designed lead blocking for most of those yards.

Bush threw the ball away on his lateral attempt, making it a dumbass play.

Young created a touchdown, albeit a wrongfully awarded touchdown, on his lateral, making it an outstanding play.

Young was not only the most valuable player to his team, but he was the most outstanding player both in the title game and throughout the season.

Bush does only one thing: run.

Young does run and pass. Young leads. Young inspires. Young makes his teammates better; he makes them successful.

Bush makes himself successful.

Young is clearly the better player overall, not just the MVP of his team.

Posted by: Advocate for God on January 5, 2006 at 4:37 PM | PERMALINK

Early in the game I thought a Texas victory would be tainted by the touchdown that shouldn't have been. (Another piece of evidence of how badly USC was coached in not calling for review.) But by the end, I thought that even if that play had been called back, Texas would have scored. Vince Young is the real deal. It will be interesting to see if he turns pro, and if so, if he's taken first the in the draft. Seems to me any team that didn't take him would have some 'splainin to do.

Posted by: Cal Gal on January 5, 2006 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK

Don't hold Dubya's support of the Longhorns against them. In fact, every win by UT is a dagger aimed at the heart of the Bush-Delay kleptocracy.

Posted by: David Ross on January 5, 2006 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

Double B: It is obvious that you know little about Austin. It is a liberal city. Austin was bohemian long before SXSW came into being. It is still the '60s for some folks there. One of the latest city-wide business slogans is "Keep Austin Weird." And BTW Travis County--of which Austin is the county seat--was the only county in Texas that did not go for Bush in 2004.

Posted by: WCharles on January 5, 2006 at 5:11 PM | PERMALINK

"Don't forget that this is a city that went for Bush in 2000!"

Travis county went for Bush in 2000, but I'm unaware of stats which show that Austin itself did. Throw in Westlake Hills, Rollingwood, Lakeway, Bee Caves, Jonestown, Spicewood, and wealthy towns out west and you get a slightly different outcome.

Besides, The perception of Bush in 2000 is nothing like the reality of Bush in 2004. In 2004, Travis went 56-44 for Kerry. Austin? probably 60 something to 30 something. Not as liberal as NY/SF, but 60 something percent against a native son is nothing to belittle.

Posted by: Marc on January 5, 2006 at 5:14 PM | PERMALINK

Young produces a lot more yardage because he handles the ball on EVERY PLAY. I disagree that he makes his teammates better on offense, because he is the offense. Other than the TE (Thomas I think his name is) did anyone else on offense have a game worth remembering?

You can call it bias or not, but I have a feeling you have some burnt orange somewhere in your house. I can honestly say I don't have any Trojan colors in mine.

Posted by: Double B on January 5, 2006 at 5:30 PM | PERMALINK

Double B, while I disagree with your assessment of Austin, I agree with you that Young is the UT offense. Don't know if that makes him a better player than Bush, but I do know that without Young, UT never would have even made it to the championship game.

Posted by: WCharles on January 5, 2006 at 5:35 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think the football metaphor could really have been Ellison's intention.

I do not think football was a metaphor Ellison was writing about either. It is just that after reading that passage I have never been able to watch football with the same way joy since, whether the players are African Americans or not. It is the exploitation of young men who are willing to pound themselves into a bloody mess for the viewing pleasure of community leaders that has bothered me, and is what I think Ellison was writing about in that passage.

Posted by: Powerpuff on January 5, 2006 at 5:54 PM | PERMALINK

Double B: You can call it bias or not, but I have a feeling you have some burnt orange somewhere in your house.

Can't stand UT. Not a big Vince Young fan other than as an admirer of talent.

Both of the Texas running backs averaged over 6 yards in 12 carries. The threat that Young had the ball instead I suspect helps those averages.

Four Texas receivers had over 50 yards in receptions. I think Young had a little to do with that with his mobility and arm.

His mobility also takes the pressure off the offensive line's need to protect him as much as Leinart's line.

His consistent movement of the Texas offense helped keep the Texas defense rested.

He took care of the ball: no fumbles lost; no interceptions thrown.

I would say that he's helping his team.

(Arguably, the focus on Bush let White run for 124 yards, so credit where credit is due.)

For USC, it took both Leinart's passing and Bush's running (combined 447) to do what Young did all by himself (467).

Bush certainly didn't have a game worth remembering.

I fail to see how that doesn't make Young the better player.

Posted by: Advocate for God on January 5, 2006 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

I don't follow football very closely, but I noticed that Penn St. (#3) was playing Florida State (#23 or so)... Why was such a low-ranking team playing in a BCS bowl game?

Posted by: kevin on January 5, 2006 at 7:04 PM | PERMALINK

The USC victory over Michigan was 2 years ago. USC thumped Oklahoma last year in the Rose Bowl.

No, USC played Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. The 4 major bowl games (Fiesta, Sugar, Orange, Rose) rotate every year for the national championship. Texas beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl last year, 38-37.

Posted by: Peter on January 5, 2006 at 7:06 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin... It's just that the Orange Bowl this year matched up the ACC Conference champion which was Florida State (based on their winning against Virginia Tech in the ACC Conf championship game), versus the Big 10 conference (which, of course, contains 11 schools!) regardless of their rankings.

It partially shows the problem of having a single game (conference championship) to determine who represents the conference as opposed to taking a more highly ranked conference team.

Nonetheless, it proved to be an interesting, but ugly, matchup that wasn't decided for nearly five hours!!

Posted by: pencarrow on January 5, 2006 at 7:30 PM | PERMALINK

HOOK EM HORNS! 36 yrs later we are number 1 again.

Austin is too liberal for Bush, Austin is a Blue City in a Red State!

Posted by: Laura on January 5, 2006 at 7:50 PM | PERMALINK

Let's see The Texas GOP refers to Austin as The People's Republic of Travis County!Yes we are Liberal and DAMN Proud of it!
Hook EM Baby!

Posted by: Anthony on January 5, 2006 at 9:03 PM | PERMALINK

USC was and is the better team, but they beat themselves by making a few uncharacteristic mistakes. Texas fans should be very happy and relieved, they escaped with a miracle victory thanks to a few choice bounces, a few blown calls by the refs, and a few rare mistakes by SC.

But I give Texas and VY credit. They are talented. I just think USC is more talented, unfortunately we didn't have time to get it done last night.

Those who say Pete Carroll is a horrible coach don't know what the hell they are talking about. The guy has only lost 4 games in the last four years, he knows how to prepare his teams for games, and he's the one who has recruited all these star players. He made some mistakes last night, as did some of our players, but that doesn't diminish him in my eyes. We still have three Heisman trophies and two National Championships in the last four years, a record any other team in the country would die for.

And we will be back next year.

Posted by: Sage Vanden Heuvel on January 5, 2006 at 10:34 PM | PERMALINK

Powerpuff said:

"Ever since reading that passage, I have not been able to watch football with the same enthusiasm, especially college football. There were some vicious hits in that game last night. I hope no one was seriously hurt and the young men achieve their academic goals."

----------

That's commie talk.

Posted by: Jim D on January 5, 2006 at 11:59 PM | PERMALINK

DoubleB said:

"Young produces a lot more yardage because he handles the ball on EVERY PLAY. I disagree that he makes his teammates better on offense, because he is the offense. Other than the TE (Thomas I think his name is) did anyone else on offense have a game worth remembering?"

Selvin Young got in on more than a few plays. The guy you are thinking of is David Thomas.

Some of the other WRs (Pittman, Sweed, e.g.) got their hands on the ball, IIRC.

Posted by: Jim D on January 6, 2006 at 12:04 AM | PERMALINK

Mel Kiper thinks that Young elevated himself to the top three draft picks.

As for "greatest teams", Nebraska 71, USC 72 and Nebraska 95 were all better.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on January 6, 2006 at 2:40 AM | PERMALINK

"UT in Austin is basically Wisconsin in Madison with much better weather."

I'll tolerate cold winter days for summers and autumns on Lake Medota anytime. Hell, I even love(d) winter morning runs through the Arb.

You couldn't pay me to live through day after day of 100+ degree temps (and one company I used to work for tried). I'll take Madison over Austin every time.

Posted by: Robert Earle on January 6, 2006 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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