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January 6, 2006
By: Debra Dickerson

Barak Obama was right....When he quipped to Jon Stewart, "the only person more hyped than me is you."

Debra Dickerson 6:34 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (37)

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How does this become a post on Kevin's blog? - are you just pulling random comments out and posting them?

Posted by: pebird on January 6, 2006 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK

Obama said that months ago, Debra.

If you think Stewart is overhyped, fine; if so, why not explain why? If you want to toss out one-line snark without elaboration, you might want to ask Atrios for a guest spot; that's more his style.

Posted by: Joe Buck on January 6, 2006 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

It's not the amount of hype that matters, but the hype-to-intrinsic-value ratio. By that standard, Paris Hilton wins walking away. If only she would.

Posted by: Bob on January 6, 2006 at 6:47 PM | PERMALINK

Folks, please, chill. We have guest bloggers here occasionally, and they can post about whatever catches their fancy. I do one liners myself once in a while.

Really, it's not a big deal.

Posted by: Kevin Drum on January 6, 2006 at 7:13 PM | PERMALINK

True enough, Kevin, true enough. I would like her to fill out her one-line comment, though. Is she referring to something Barack Obama did or said recently? Or is she commenting on Jon Stewart taging the Oscar host gig?


p.s. I feel your pain re: USC's loss two nights ago. Now, if only the dang Colts can make it to and win the SuperBowl, I'll be a happy man (and I'm from Cali, not Indy), just a fan of Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy.

Posted by: fyodor_fish on January 6, 2006 at 7:18 PM | PERMALINK

joe buck is clearly of the "jon stewart walks on water" school

Posted by: mark on January 6, 2006 at 7:20 PM | PERMALINK

I must say I'm continually taken aback by the hostility commenters here show guest posters -- and, it must be said, particularly female guest posters.

Debra, I hope you don't take it personally, and please, if it's not already obvious, blog about whatever the fuck you want to blog about.

Posted by: Realish on January 6, 2006 at 7:21 PM | PERMALINK

Realish:It's not a male/female thing. At least I don't think it is. EVERY poster, including Kevin gets ripped to shreads here.

Remember a few months ago when there were those guys promoting a version of HSA's? Yeah. That was a massacre.

Posted by: Karmakin on January 6, 2006 at 7:34 PM | PERMALINK

JS jumped the shark months ago. I used to love the Daily show. I absolutely can't watch his interviews. The entertainment celebrities are OK, if nothing but puff. But the politicians make me sick, and he tries so hard not to offend, when just the day or week before he was ripping that same guy a new hole in one of his monologues. And why does he feel he needs to give Bill O'Reilly another forum? That guy's got his own show? And every right wingnutjob or establishment tool with a new piece of crap book gets an chance to flog it on his show. That guy's got his own show. It doesn't make me mad. It makes me embarrassed for the guy and something else I just can't even name. Just can't bear to watch it.

And amen about Obama too.

Posted by: jussumbody on January 6, 2006 at 7:37 PM | PERMALINK

I have to second Realish's view. As far as I can tell, it sure is the female guest posters who get the brunt of the scorn.

Anyway, what's wrong with a funny one-liner?

It's not its brevity... I think the problem is actually the same problem that people had with Dickerson's very long post a few posts ago about the "maverick" in the NYT: some people just couldn't figure it out. And instead of making them think, that just reduced them to pathetic fits of anger and spittle. Whether or not anybody was extra pissy on account of Dickerson's gender, I guess I don't know. But something sure seems to cause female guest bloggers to get more stinky comments overall.

Posted by: anon on January 6, 2006 at 7:46 PM | PERMALINK

True enough, Kevin, true enough. I would like her to fill out her one-line comment, though. Is she referring to something Barack Obama did or said recently? Or is she commenting on Jon Stewart taging the Oscar host gig?

Why not click the link and find out?

Posted by: shortstop on January 6, 2006 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

True enough, Kevin, true enough. I would like her to fill out her one-line comment, though. Is she referring to something Barack Obama did or said recently? Or is she commenting on Jon Stewart taging the Oscar host gig?

Why not click the link and find out?

Posted by: shortstop on January 6, 2006 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

Why not learn to post once before making snarky comments to FF, shortstop?

Posted by: shortstop on January 6, 2006 at 7:57 PM | PERMALINK

In my best Flounder voice, "This is gonna be great!" But then I recall that I thought David Letterman did a terrific job, laughing at just about everything snarky that he said, only to discover from the ET pundits that my judgment was WRONG. I suppose Jon Stewart will also be too irreverent and hip and relevant, and thus an ET bomb as well. Damn, and I thought I was old.

Posted by: The Dad on January 6, 2006 at 8:11 PM | PERMALINK

I don't get the hype on Jon Stewart. A thread a few weeks back had people listing shows they watch everyday - The Daily Show was on many of them. But I don't get it. Sure, there are some laughs, but I found it kind of toothless. I enjoyed Bill Maher the last time I watched him much more, though I admit don't watch much TV.

Posted by: E. Henry Thripshaw on January 6, 2006 at 8:13 PM | PERMALINK

Folks, please, chill. We have guest bloggers here occasionally, and they can post about whatever catches their fancy. I do one liners myself once in a while.

Really, it's not a big deal.

Nor is the reaction to her hipper-than-thou put-down of Stewart.

Posted by: Mike B. on January 6, 2006 at 8:14 PM | PERMALINK

Methinks a clue to your sobriety may be found within that name of yours, E...

Posted by: The Dad on January 6, 2006 at 8:18 PM | PERMALINK

Because nothing is more important than the goddam Oscars, right?
(You have five seconds to name last year's best picture.)

Posted by: Steve Paradis on January 6, 2006 at 8:20 PM | PERMALINK

Since we're now talking Oscars and not just its host, if Pride & Prejudice is not one of the five nominees for Best Film, then the Academy has no soul. I'm a married guy, I'm quite tall and strong and athletic and butch, and I like my football (go Longhorns! and Broncos!) and WWF and monster truck rallies, but that movie had me blubbering like a leet-tle girl. Of course I never read the book nor did I see any of the gazillion other movie versions, so it took me quite by surprise. Just an amazing amazing film. My wife also loved it, but, well, she's a chick.

Posted by: The Dad on January 6, 2006 at 8:29 PM | PERMALINK

KEVIN DRUM: Folks, please, chill. . . . Really, it's not a big deal.
MIKE B.: Nor is the reaction to her hipper-than-thou put-down of Stewart.
Exactly right. And neither did that reaction have anything to do with the guest poster's gender -- certainly no more so than Kevin's rather chivalrous defense of her.
KARMAKIN: EVERY poster, including Kevin gets ripped to shreads here.
You're right also, if a bit hyperbolically so. Few actually rip him to shreds, despite its frequent advisability. For many of his readers and commenters (myself included), Kevin is far more interested in advancing his own interests than he is in working for changes that will benefit the general public. I can detect no real fire in his gut, no vested interest in the horrific damage caused by the current administration. Only on rare occasions does he go into attack mode, always to defend himself against persons with no power: so no risk. What is absent, similar to the absence among Democratic politicians, is the genuine conviction of Bush's thorough corruption. He operates as if all is basically a friendly disagreement among equally well meaning people, or folks, as Bush would call them. Bush is not folks. He lies as others breathe. He steals as if scratching an itch. He kills as though he were yawning. He is a criminal unlike any seen before in the world. Because unlike history's most notorious monsters, he is devoid of even modest talent or any bit of style which might bring grudging, guilty admiration for him. He is no more a president than Arnold Schwarzeneger is the Terminator, less so.

So, yeah, in frustration over his nonchalance and cool analysis, Kevin does take a few blows, few of which land. How could he not? If one has the good sense to see Bush for what he is, how could it not irritate one to watch Kevin calmly discuss some comparatively minor infraction of Bush's as if it's probably another indication of his unfitness for office. Imagine hearing your neighbor complain about someone who is a proven liar, thief and murder for his bad habit of letting his unraked leaves blow into his yard -- even as he remains open-minded about whether it was intentional or not. That's what Kevin does. Day after day. Yes, the leaves are building up in the yard, but so are the bodies.

Obviously, there will be those who will see the answer being for those who don't like Kevin's style to simply go away. Those are the same people who always think to say that if you don't like your job you should just quit it, or if you don't like the way your landlord treats you just move. But the bodies are everywhere, people.. er, folks.

Posted by: jayarbee on January 6, 2006 at 9:25 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, I too wish she would flesh out her post a bit more.

I don't agree that it's females getting ripped up here more than males. Everyone does.

Posted by: Tony Shifflett on January 6, 2006 at 9:33 PM | PERMALINK

You've been saving that one up for quite a while, eh jayarbee?

Doesn't change a thing, boy, not a thing.

Posted by: The Dad on January 6, 2006 at 9:35 PM | PERMALINK

(You have five seconds to name last year's best picture.)

"Million Dollar Baby."

But, then I have two film degrees. I realize that normal people aren't nearly as interested as I am.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on January 6, 2006 at 9:44 PM | PERMALINK

Jayarbee, your post is a very good takedown of Kevin's style. Very good. I think it's his writing style more than his mental outlook, though. Sometimes he's quite good on every post, and other times he's good on content, but seems airheadish in the area you suggest: human character. My view is that he has a much milder version of Joe Lieberman Syndrome -- a tendency to not want to piss people off, when want we need is balls to the wall warfare.

I think the perceived hostility against women is related to the fact that the most prominent female guest blogger, Amy, is much farther down the Joe road than he is, and is quite clueless about it, whereas Kevin isn't. It has nothing to do with sex -- it's about the practical politics that they urge us to go with.

Posted by: Tony Shifflett on January 6, 2006 at 9:49 PM | PERMALINK

...if only the dang Colts can make it to and win the SuperBowl, I'll be a happy man (and I'm from Cali, not Indy)

Okay, since when does someone who is from California call it "Cali?"

Sounds like a topic for an entire post and discussion to me!

Posted by: tom on January 6, 2006 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINK

"Million Dollar Baby."

And before that, Lord of the Rings III, and before that, Chicago, and before that, A Beautiful Mind, and before that, Gladiator! And I don't have any film degrees. I just love the movies and I have them all on DVD -- along with the rest of my collection of over 100 films. My two newest acquisitions, Christmas presents from my two older sons -- 2001: A Space Odyssey and Dr. Strangelove. I also bought Kingdom of Heaven for myself with a gift certificate.

Yeah, I love the movies.

Posted by: The Dad on January 6, 2006 at 9:54 PM | PERMALINK

My two newest acquisitions, Christmas presents from my two older sons -- 2001: A Space Odyssey and Dr. Strangelove.

Oooh. Like your taste, Dad!

Posted by: obscure on January 6, 2006 at 11:38 PM | PERMALINK

I think that, if anything, John Stewart is underhyped. I remember not too long ago when dems were anguishing over the fact that they had no Rush Limbaugh; no one who was political and having a huge audience at the same time. John Stewart is Rush Limbaugh with a brain. If you don't think he is that important, think back to the times when Rush was driving the liberals nuts with his unchallenged b.s. and consider the repubs acknowledgement of his importance in getting out their message. Just because Stewart has a laugh at the other side's expense does not mean that what he says does not influence opinion.

Posted by: patrick on January 6, 2006 at 11:38 PM | PERMALINK

Jayarbee - well done! Crisp, in fact. Sadly accurate... Kevin's ready for CNN.

Posted by: kenny on January 6, 2006 at 11:54 PM | PERMALINK

My $0.02 on Stewart's recent interview with George Packer here

Posted by: Eli Stephens on January 7, 2006 at 12:55 AM | PERMALINK

Hey Dad, rent the BBC version of Pride and Prejudice. Not that I don't agree with you that the recent movie was good, but the casting of the BBC version was far better. Colin Firth is the ultimate Mr. Darcy. You'll also have the pleasure of spreading it out to six hours of listening to the deliciously witty words of Jane Austen (mostly right out of the book) in the BBC version. On the other hand, the recent movie's sets, lighting, camera work, art directionthe sense of actually being therewas much superior. Maybe someday superduper computers will be able to put both movies together. Than you'd really have a masterpiece.

Posted by: James of DC on January 7, 2006 at 2:36 AM | PERMALINK

It's been 13 hours. Would you guys please correct the spelling of Obama's first name? It's B-a-r-a-c-k.

Posted by: shortstop on January 7, 2006 at 9:37 AM | PERMALINK

No, I'm most certainly not of the opinion that Jon Stewart walks on water; he's got his blind spots, and he often irritates me; his interviews are often poor. I do think, though, that his show frequently produces the best political humor on television since the Smothers Brothers days.

But I am curious as to what Ms. Dickerson means and why.

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Posted by: efefef on January 7, 2006 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

Too late, too late; but I have to say Jon Stewart is grossly over rated. He falls into the same trap of presenting a fake balance between liberal and conservator talking points, as if they really were two sides of the same coin. I think no one who writes for the show has a clue.

Posted by: cld on January 7, 2006 at 5:50 PM | PERMALINK

When I was a college student, I remember it was the female professors who were scorned the most by students, especially the less attractive ones. I never saw such outright hostility towards any of the male professors, even the ones who were not very good educators.

I don't think people do it on purpose, but women just don't get as much respect as men.

Posted by: fluffernutter on January 7, 2006 at 11:23 PM | PERMALINK

I don't like Kevin much. I first found him over the ANG memos, where he actually did good work. Its a shame that turned out to be an exception.

guest bloggers get shredded here because people want them to bring something to the table. Insight from a different perspective on important things. Not idle chitchat, and not another "Republicans say this about us... geesh, I wish we weren't so like that, because it sucks that they say that about us" poster.

Those HSA guys got everything they deserved, because their whole idea was poorly thought out and conceded every republican talking point.

I don't think Debra has deserved much of the abuse she's has got here - there's not been anything wrong with her posts, but there hasn't been much right or interesting about them either. Not commenting at all might be a better statement than flaming her.

Steven Benen was the best blogger to ever post here. Any chance of us getting him full time?

Posted by: Mysticdog on January 9, 2006 at 11:15 AM | PERMALINK



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