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January 18, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

SMELLING THE COFFEE....Garance Franke-Ruta notes that an all-too-common controversy has broken out over the "Saving Our Democracy" conference, sponsored by The Nation Institute and The New Democracy Project: out of 25 scheduled speakers, only two are women:

It is a source of great perplexity to me that otherwise clear-headed men who are genuinely committed to promoting Democrats or "the progressive movement" should be so blind when it comes to understanding why the Democratic Party and the left even continue to exist. The Democratic Party and left exist because of female voters and volunteers. No ifs, ands, or buts.

As I noted in detail last summer, virtually every left organization that relies on volunteer labor succeeds because of the labor of female volunteers, who comprise the vast bulk of such low-level workers, and when Democrats have won at the national level in the past 40 years, it has been because of their appeal to female voters.

What makes this whole thing even more peculiar is the makeup of the two sponsoring groups. The New Democracy Project has four staff members and four senior fellows, and half of them are women. The Nation Institute is headed by a woman, the editor of The Nation is a woman, and although TNI's staff isn't online, its Board of Trustees is about one-third women. So it's not as if these organizations are just a bunch of good old boys who don't even realize women exist.

Even so, as Garance suggests, the most likely reaction will be a defensive one:

Controversies like this benefit no one. They make women feel diminished and excluded, and men feel like they're never going to be able to organize a simple public conversation with their professional friends without getting hit over the head with identity politics. And yet the same sad script keeps playing out, over and over again, until everyone feels like throwing up their hands in despair.

But this shouldn't be an issue of quotas or identity politics. It should just be a matter of awareness. I always try to get both men and women to guest blog for me when I'm on vacation, and I've never had any trouble finding people of either sex willing to do it. Is getting speakers for conferences really that much harder?

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It's not hard but you just have to remember to do it. And you were reminded to do it the hard way, if I recall correctly.

Posted by: praktike on January 18, 2006 at 1:15 AM | PERMALINK

Another fine example of how the left shoots itself in the foot.

If you've read 'The Hobbit' you might remember how Gandalf defeated the trolls. I wonder how many conservative think-tanks have adopted this strategy.

Food for thought

Posted by: joe on January 18, 2006 at 1:23 AM | PERMALINK

Hypocrisy is normal in the Left, why so suprised?

Look at Kennedy at his all-boys club calling Alito a 'closet bigot'.

Its a logical consequence of having supporters that ignore all your movement's inconsistencies.

Posted by: McAristotle on January 18, 2006 at 1:24 AM | PERMALINK

Wait... is Garance F-R trying to pretend that she didn't want to bring this up but felt she had to? I'm a bit confused. If the controversy benefits no one, then why bring it up?

Posted by: MNPundit on January 18, 2006 at 1:45 AM | PERMALINK

Offhand, I wonder how many non-whites are present out of the 24 speakers... Just to throw a little more oil on this fire.

Posted by: MNPundit on January 18, 2006 at 1:47 AM | PERMALINK

Garance should be given a copy of Ms. Kate Obierne's book. Then she will know not to complain.

Posted by: lib on January 18, 2006 at 1:51 AM | PERMALINK

One FINAL thing... well why don't the organizers invite Katha Pollitt (who brought it up), Lisa Jervis (who wrote that snarky letter), and Garance Franke-Ruta (who TAPPED it).

Also I apologize for the ammount of posts but there is no "EDIT" function on the comments.

Posted by: MNPundit on January 18, 2006 at 1:51 AM | PERMALINK

As I look at the roles most of these speakers play, and for which they seem to have been selected, they are from positions of power in which men dominate by numbers, as has always been true, and is true to this day. Unless one goes out of one's way to select women, and refuses to do it "randomly", you're going to get a huge majority of men.

The point is, it seems to be a problem with the composition of the classes of people from which the participants are selected (e.g., legislators, political professors/writers). (Likewise, if you were to select participants randomly from, say, full professors at top universities, they too would be dominated by men.)

How to solve that problem? I don't know, but it's a big one any way you come at it.

Posted by: frankly0 on January 18, 2006 at 1:55 AM | PERMALINK

Of course, it's always possible that someone simply assembled a list of topics and experts to talk about them without curling up into a fetal position because the chromosome makeup and melanin levels of the experts didn't match a precise demographical percentage.

Nah.

For people who are supposedly so enlightened about the unimportance of race and gender when judging human beings, leftists sure seem to obsess on it a lot.

Posted by: tbrosz on January 18, 2006 at 3:11 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, good grief...

Posted by: pol on January 18, 2006 at 6:15 AM | PERMALINK

Um, MNPundit, why don't you go check out the speaker list and see how racially diverse the panel is before spouting off? For god sake, Representative John Conyers is the key note speaker!

Posted by: DCboi on January 18, 2006 at 7:22 AM | PERMALINK

What happened to affirmative action? Why don't the conference organizers follow the same rules that they want everyone else to follow? They should be required to select speakers that "look like America": 51% women, 15% African-American; 9% Latino, etc. (or whatever the correct numbers are). What's wrong with that?
Dario

Posted by: Dario on January 18, 2006 at 8:03 AM | PERMALINK

Jews appear overrepresented. Native Americans, under. Hispanics, under. Upper-middle-class HUGELY overrepresented. Transgendered, totally ignored. Asians, under, Moslems, under. Highly-educated, over.

Posted by: adam on January 18, 2006 at 8:05 AM | PERMALINK

The point of including diverse people as speakers is to have diverse views and ideas presented to listeners. The goal isn't to match percentages but to broaden perspective. If you want to keep hearing the same old stuff, invite the same old people.

Posted by: Nancy on January 18, 2006 at 8:42 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin, if it's so important for Democrats to have strong, liberal ideas, why are we more obsessed over who generates them than the ideas themselves? This silly identity politics just contributes to 1) a caricature of liberals as quota-loving, politically correct obsessives, and 2) a transition from focusing on concepts and policy to identity groups. Neither helps the cause. The best thing to do in these situations is to *ignore* them, not encourage them.

Posted by: Jamesq on January 18, 2006 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK

Nancy has it correct. It isn't about quotas or "political correctness" (something only conservatives seemed obsessed about). Nor is it about try to get a "color blind" or "gender blind" conference (another conservative bogeyman).

It is about getting as wide a sample of different viewpoints on important issues as possible. Randomly selecting candidates won't do that. Hell, this is widely known in survey research. You have to perform a what is known as stratified sampling for accurate representation.

But hell, that should be obvious with only a little critical thinking.

Posted by: Dr. Morpheus on January 18, 2006 at 10:28 AM | PERMALINK

Diversity prevents groupthink. That's how you get "the wisdom of crowds". You need diversity of experience and information to get the best decisionmaking.

If the point of the conference is to identify policies and issues that will "take back democracy" for Democrats, presumably the conferees are looking for solutions that appeal to Democratic voters and independents. Democratic voters and independents are NOT 92% male. Nor are they 100% college-educated policy wonks and elected officials. If necessary voices and perspectives are excluded, winning solutions are highly unlikley to emerge. Ergo, the conference is a waste of time.

Of course, perhaps the point is to appeal to "swing voters" or moderate conservative independents. In which case, perhaps an overwhelmingly white male college-educated conference panel *IS* the target audience. But don't count on high base turnout...

Posted by: Silent E on January 18, 2006 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum wrote:
"Garance Franke-Ruta notes that an all-too-common controversy has broken out over the "Saving Our Democracy" conference, sponsored by The Nation Institute and The New Democracy Project: out of 25 scheduled speakers, only two are women:

GF-R is quoted:
"It is a source of great perplexity to me that otherwise clear-headed men who are genuinely committed to promoting Democrats or "the progressive movement" should be so blind when it comes to understanding why the Democratic Party and the left even continue to exist. The Democratic Party and left exist because of female voters and volunteers. No ifs, ands, or buts."

Kevin continued:
"... when Democrats have won at the national level in the past 40 years, it has been because of their appeal to female voters."


The Left and the Democratic party don't "continue to exist" merely because of women. It exists because there are some people who understand the importance of defending the rights of each and every one of our citizens and not just wealthy old white men. Women and Blacks are devout Democrats because they understand the value of their rights and that the Republicans will not help them.

Does this mean white men should disregard the Democratic party as irrelevant? No. We should focus their attention on some real world situations where their rights are being violated and then they too will 'move to the Left' and vote Democratic. The current discussion about our lack of Privacy might help some of them realize the importance of all rights.

Another issue which is of great importance is the right of Property (or the right to "the pursuit of happiness") for many Americans who have retirement plans with their company. Republicans have failed to protect them and they should see the Democratic party as a useful tool for reasserting their right.

Posted by: MarkH on January 18, 2006 at 11:52 AM | PERMALINK

Punditry and wonkery suffer from the same white male intellectual constipation. No wonder people tune them out after a while.

Posted by: Carol on January 18, 2006 at 11:53 AM | PERMALINK
But this shouldn't be an issue of quotas or identity politics. It should just be a matter of awareness. I always try to get both men and women to guest blog for me when I'm on vacation, and I've never had any trouble finding people of either sex willing to do it. Is getting speakers for conferences really that much harder?

Well, if nothing else, the standards may be higher than for your guest bloggers (okay, okay, most of them have been pretty good. But the exceptions have been, well, exceptional.)

Also, and more importantly, a conference is likely to have much more precise time and location constraints than guest blogging. Even assuming the pool of suitable participants is equally divided between men and women (and, depending on what you are looking for, that may be a foolish assumption -- for instance, if being an elected member of Congress is a plus for a speaker candidate, the male:female ratio there will skew the pool), chance may skew who is available to be present at a particular time and place. If the conference organizer isn't paying all the costs of the panel, then the fact that wealth isn't equally distributed also becomes a factor.

It may also be that women, overall, are more interested in being grassroots organizers than conference speakers; certainly the common finding that women tend, in broad generality, to (whether from nature or socialization) have a more web-like preference for social organization and men a more heirarchical one would suggest a preference for different modes and venues of social communication.

Maybe, we should get past prejudice based on the sex of the speakers, and just deal with the quality of the ideas. Or maybe sexism is good, so long as it is practiced by the Right Sex™.

Posted by: cmdicely on January 18, 2006 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

Good for Garance!

I for one am sick and tired of people assuming that women will happily do any menial, repetitive and labor-intensive task without asking anything in return. Sorry, but I think if more women did what men do--refused to devote their free time to institutions that didn't offer them the opportunity to eventually assume a position of leadership, perhaps people would realize that they can't keep dumping all teh scut work on the girls because the girls won't complain.

It's a sorry statement on the leadership of these groups that they care so little for the people actually doing the work.

Posted by: theorajones on January 18, 2006 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK
Sorry, but I think if more women did what men do--refused to devote their free time to institutions that didn't offer them the opportunity to eventually assume a position of leadership, perhaps people would realize that they can't keep dumping all teh scut work on the girls because the girls won't complain.

As Kevin points out, both of the involved groups have women in leadership roles, with about half the leadership of one and 1/3 of the other women.

What they don't have is many women as speakers at this particular conference.

So your criticism, whatever general validity it might have, seems misplaced in this specific context.

Posted by: cmdicely on January 18, 2006 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

Seems like maybe cmdicely is on the right track here. Women likely don't want to be available for these kinds of engagements because they mostly have children and need the kind of flexibility that grass-roots organizing allows. Labor intensive and repetative but flexible in a web. Yeh.

Posted by: ChetBob on January 18, 2006 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

Sounds like another liberal Circular Firing Squad has formed, right on cue.

Posted by: GOPGregory on January 18, 2006 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

How many of the speakers were Asian? Oh, I forgot. Liberals actually do discriminate against Asians.

Posted by: ZF on January 18, 2006 at 11:28 PM | PERMALINK

Pathetic.

Looking at all the 'progressives' here sniping about the gender and ethnic balance on this panel is depressing. No wonder the trolls have left this thread alone.

When the right wants to play "Let's you and him fight" there is never a shortage of lefty pugilists.

Posted by: joe on January 19, 2006 at 12:34 AM | PERMALINK

sorry I missed trollster McAristotle while skimming the posts the first time.
But his throwing gasoline on the fire was largely unnecessary.

Posted by: joe on January 19, 2006 at 12:38 AM | PERMALINK
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Marketing
, Salesmanship
, Telemarketing
, Associations
, Automobile
Buying and Financing
, Banking
Services
, By
Region
, Cash
Flow
, College
Financing
, Commercial
Lending
, Computer
Financing
, Cooperatives
, Credit
and Collection
, Directories
, Education
and Training
, Employment
, Field
Service Companies
, Financial
Consultants
, Financial
Planning
, Freelancer-Contractor
Services
, Holding
Companies
, Information
Services
, Insurance
, Investment
Banks
, Investment
Services
, Leasing
Services
, Loans
, Marketing
and Advertising
, Medical
Billing
, Merchant
Services
, Mortgages,
News
and Media
, Offshore
Services
, Payroll
Services
, Surety
Bonds
, US
Government Financial Sites
, Venture
Capital
, Associations , Circuit Protection , Commercial and Industrial
Products , Components , Consumer Products , Contract Manufacturing , Control
Systems , Directories , Education and Training , Electromechanical , Employment
, Engineering , Heating and Cooling , Human Interfaces , Import and Export ,
Instrumentation , Manufacturers Representatives , News and Media , Optoelectronics
and Fiber , Power Supplies , Production Equipment and Materials , Repair and
Service , Safety and Compliance Testing , Standards and Codes , Substation and
Transmission , Surge Protectors , Test and Measurement , Tools and Equipment,
Transformers and Inductors , Wholesale and Distribution , Wiring and Accessories
, Property
Management
, Agents and Agencies , Appraisal , Associations , By Region ,
Commercial , Conferences , Consulting , Development , Directories , Education
and Training , Employment , Inspection , Legal , Marketing and Advertising ,
News and Media , Property Management , Residential , Undeveloped or Vacant ,
International
Business Associations
, Barter
, International
Business Conferences
, International
Business Consulting
, International
Business Directories
, Import
and Export
, International
Organization for Standardization - ISO
, International
Taxation
, International
Business Services

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