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January 19, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

CHRIS MATTHEWS SPEAKS....The "wonderful Michael Savage"? WTF?

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Matthews seems to be imploding on a daily basis. He's really a cheap empty suit in search of a soul.

Posted by: SteveAudio on January 19, 2006 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK

Mr Wonderful: "Oh, so you're one of those sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig, how's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better to do than to put me down, you piece of garbage, you got nothing better to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis. Now do we have another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bathhouse who's angry at me today? Put another, put another sodomite on....no more calls? I don't care about these bums, they mean nothing to me. They're all sausages."

Posted by: cleek on January 19, 2006 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK

Just some pundit-on-pundit love.

Posted by: frankly0 on January 19, 2006 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

At my home, we refer to this man as 'big mouth.'

Posted by: Powerpuff on January 19, 2006 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK

In my darker moments, I wonder if after 4 years of domestic wiretapping, the entire Washington Press corps and most of the elected officials are being controlled by blackmail.

Posted by: bob mcmanus on January 19, 2006 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

Everyone wants to be loved by their peers. Some people are more desperate for love than others.

And Bob M (just above) seems to have the most likely explanation.

Posted by: Gore/Obama '08 on January 19, 2006 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

Is Chris Matthews capable of sarcasm? Otherwise, his "wonderful" description bespeaks his incipient dementia.

Posted by: SED on January 19, 2006 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

Chris matthews does not speak, he drools. Ignore it, everyone else does.

Posted by: Pechorin on January 19, 2006 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

If I wanted to be fair to Chris, I would agree that he most probably meant it as a sarcasm, but I see no need to be fair to this kisser of Republican asses.

Posted by: lib on January 19, 2006 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

It's sarcasm, Kevin. Heck, even I don't like Michael Savage. People listen to him for the same reason they go to an area to watch a motorcyclist douse himself with gasoline and jump through a flaming hoop.

Posted by: tbrosz on January 19, 2006 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK

"Guns, God and Gays." isn't that the Republican mantra. Matthews nasty display of homophobia just tells you which of the three really catches his interest.

Posted by: Ron Byers on January 19, 2006 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

I don't like O'Reilly - but I admire his starch. There should be somebody out there from the other side with that kind of spine and spunk.

Chris Matthews is what's wrong with a lot of TV news - unsalted broth.

Posted by: arsenia gallegos on January 19, 2006 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

But I bet he agrees with Kevin on civilian deaths in Pakistan...

He is of course a man who believes breaking the law is part of the President's job...

I wonder if Kevin also agrees with Matthews on Presidential law breaking since it is part of "THE WAR ON TERROR" Terror...terro..terr..ter...

And everything is acceptable when you are at WAR..War..war

Posted by: Law and Order on January 19, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

Matthews understands. Your first allegiance is to the tribe.

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on January 19, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

That's "arena," although "area" kind of works.

Posted by: tbrosz on January 19, 2006 at 1:32 PM | PERMALINK

tbrosz: It's sarcasm, Kevin. Heck, even I don't like Michael Savage. People listen to him for the same reason they go to an area to watch a motorcyclist douse himself with gasoline and jump through a flaming hoop.

Do you listen to Michael Savage, tbrosz? Not flip by it, but listen to him.

Because it sure sounds like Chris Matthews does...

My first reaction was sarcasm as well, but if he has become a regular listener, it would sure provide some insight into Matthew's recent frothing and change of world view...

Posted by: justmy2 on January 19, 2006 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, please warn us when you link to spoilers (the linked-to article gives away part of the ending to the movie, a film my wife and I want to see but haven't gotten around to yet).

Posted by: Joe Buck on January 19, 2006 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

In my darker moments, I wonder if after 4 years of domestic wiretapping, the entire Washington Press corps and most of the elected officials are being controlled by blackmail.

I've thought that for years. Well before the news about wiretapping came to light. Our Democratic representatives in Congress are all MIA. I've of a mind that says, "If they've been mute in the face of the horrendous provocation that is Bush, they must be guilty of something. Get rid of them all."

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on January 19, 2006 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

Slightly off-topic, but shouldn't "WTF" be "W,TF"?

Just askin'.

Posted by: The Anti-Kevin on January 19, 2006 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK


In my darker moments, I wonder if after 4 years of domestic wiretapping, the entire Washington Press corps and most of the elected officials are being controlled by blackmail.

Darker or more lucid?

Posted by: JWR on January 19, 2006 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

Arsenia,

Be sure to knit some loofahs for O'Arrogantone. He also likes "pithy" remarks on them.

Also, don't fail to miss (with apologies to Gary Owens) the coming of Glenn Beck to FAUX Lite-Lite, Headline News, the off shoot of FAUX Lite CNN. He will be covering "disasters" happening to minorities.
Perhaps MSNBC should cover "disasters" happening to CNN.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on January 19, 2006 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

Speaking of Beck, Matthews had him on his show about a year ago and just couldn't seem to help himself in informing his audience of how intelligent Beck's show is and how Beck is one of the most well-informed, fair-minded, knowledgeable talk show hosts in the business. It is difficult to ascertain which of these two individuals is the more repulsive.

Posted by: Erroll on January 19, 2006 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

In the media biz, I think what Matthews did is called "sucking up to the host"...

Posted by: dr sardonicus on January 19, 2006 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Wow! is's a relief that tbrosz does not like Michael Savage.

Please let us know about your liking or disliking for other assorted mad men and women of the lunatic right.

Posted by: lib on January 19, 2006 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Quick straw poll...

Biggest insecure attention whore spewing the most ridiculous nonsense they can cook up: Ann Coulter or Michael Savage?

Posted by: DH Walker on January 19, 2006 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

"Ann Coulter or Michael Savage"

The fruit of the poisonous tree, or the reincarnation of Ernst Roehm.

Posted by: stupid git on January 19, 2006 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

Yep. Blackmail.

Everybody's got skeletons. And once you knuckle under once, you've got THAT to be ashamed of too. You're trapped.

Posted by: ferd on January 19, 2006 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

"People listen to him for the same reason they go to an area to watch a motorcyclist douse himself with gasoline and jump through a flaming hoop."

Not my wingnut fundy brother and sister-in-law. They think Savage is reasonable and informative. No kidding.

I've decided to stop wasting my time talking with them, and although there is some familial guilt welling up over that decision, it is balanced by lower blood pressure.

Posted by: Cal Gal on January 19, 2006 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

Cal gal, fundies often recover, nearly spontaneously, and often after being overexposed to someone genuinely mean, like Pat Robertson, for too long.

Posted by: Ace Franze on January 19, 2006 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

Matthews is truly bipolar these days -- he'll do tough coverage of the Fitzgerald or Abramoff investigations that comes down clearly on the GOP; then he'll dive head-first into the silliest GOP spin point imaginable (TWO DAYS on Hillary/plantation).

As far as Matthews vis a vis Savage: I wonder if it's that all these DC media types hang around together, and, personally, they don't find the radio ranters so hateful. (Doesn't everyone have a relative whose political/social views are despicable, but who can still be a fun companion on holidays?) In a certain way, in-crowd DC-ers have a view of reality totally at odds with the rest of the country, because they view all these people (politicians and media) as acquaintances first, public personae second. OUt in the world, we only get the second, and judge accordingly.

I think people like Imus and Matthews really show their age with this fussy homophobia. The vast majority of Americans under 40 (maybe even under 50) have known too many gay people to be so squeamish. They still may freeze up on the gay marriage thing...but civil unions, they're okay with. I think the emergence of gay liberation after 1969 really drew a sharp line on the issue. Even liberals (like Mark Shields) of the older generation tend to get antsy when the subject is raised, because they never really KNEW anyone who was gay (in Lily Tomlin's great line, people back then were just "shy"). Anyone who came along after that has just had too much exposure to gay men and women to see them as some frightening "other". (Religious right folk, of course, excluded from this)

By the way, is it time to declare a winner in the "will America go to see Brokeback Mountain" sweepstakes? The film'll easily pass $40 million this weekend, with a major Oscar run still to follow -- $70-100 million is absolutely certain. Weren't there a bunch of people saying $20 million was its max?

Posted by: demtom on January 19, 2006 at 2:43 PM | PERMALINK

Ace:

I wish I could be as optimistic as you. I've never, in all my experience, witnessed that kind of an enlightenment. The dittohead I used to argue with in high school (almost 25 years ago) still tunes into Rush for his daily marching orders, and my narrow-minded, right-wing bully uncle has been that way all my life. For what it's worth, I agree completely with Cal Gal's approach. Why punish yourself?

Posted by: DH Walker on January 19, 2006 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

DH, I don't mean wingers, I mean religious fundies, who often are very sincerely religious and can't handle an idol like Pat showing his true colors. Clinton and Carter were once Christian Fundamentalists, for instance.

Posted by: Ace Franze on January 19, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

Is killing 18 innocent civilians in order to pick up a couple of Al Qaida bigwigs justified? Kevin Drum speaks: I think the answer is pretty plainly yes...

WTF?

Posted by: Alex R on January 19, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

Has anyone heard the audio? I feel as if so many of these purportedly incriminating transcripts are devoid of voice and tone markers, making sarcasm of any sort dangerous.

Posted by: Neil on January 19, 2006 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

I think Chris Matthews needs to read Larry David's "cowboys are my weakness" op-ed in the times. His back and forth with Imus was like a parody of straight, no I mean really straight white guys who have no interest in gay things whatsoever! Nope, none!

Still, Chris Matthews makes a little more sense to me now. He's just another one of those confused man-boys who needs the approval of great big strong daddies to feel adequate. Those kinds of personal foibles are forgivable, but it's downright embarrassing lately to watch him on TV--he's always trying to figure out who the "manly man" will be in a situation and suck up to him.

Posted by: theorajones on January 19, 2006 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if it's that all these DC media types hang around together, and, personally, they don't find the radio ranters so hateful.

That's a good point, although I would add that they don't find the ranters so hateful because they never listen to them. My guess is that Matthews (if his comment was not intended as sarcasm, which I'm not sure of) has never heard Savage. I know I haven't.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on January 19, 2006 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

Ace:

Well, most of the right-wing religious nuts I know are catholics (one of which believes that the RCC "sold out" to the liberals with Vatican II in 1965, if that gives you any idea). I know that there's a lot of indoctrination on the protestant side of the aisle, but in my experience with catholicism, it's a lot more culturally institutional, and (in my view) more greatly succeeds in its learned helplessness / Stockholm syndrome goals. I've seen it "not take" (like with myself), but I don't know anyone who has invested in the hardcore aspects of the religion later become moderated.

I can see fellow protestants being embarassed at Pat Robertson's calling for assassinations (among other vile things), but when the Pope says, ex cathedra, that women are inherently inferior to men, not even my self-described "feminist" catholic relatives would dare to question it. Maybe it's a cultural difference, I don't know.

Posted by: DH Walker on January 19, 2006 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

MeLoseBrain?,

Kinda hard to think that Matthews has never heard of Savage - Savage replaced Phil Donohue on MSNBC when Phil had higher ratings than Chris.
Their programs ran the same evenings for months, thereafter. Of course Chris does appear to "mail it in" from Nantucket at times.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on January 19, 2006 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK

Repeat after me:

Chrissy is worthless

Posted by: me on January 19, 2006 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum, sharing with us his "WTF" moment with Chris Matthews.

Now that's irony.

Posted by: Irony Man on January 19, 2006 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe Chris saw Michael dress up in a flight suit.

Grrrroww!!!

Posted by: Commander Codpiece on January 19, 2006 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK

The first time I heard Matthews mention Brokeback was to ask some democratic talking head if he had seen it. The guy couldnt understand why Matthews asked him and said so. Matthews was practically rubbing his thigh.

We can be certain that Matthews knows perfectly who Savage is and was not being sarcastic. He is, after all, the guy who discussed Bushs manly package with G. Gordon Liddy.

Matthews has made millions repeating every lie extant about Bill and Hillary Clinton and Al Gore. If there wasn't one at hand, he would make up his own. Every time Hillary makes a speech, Matthews is practically a quivering orgasmasm. He acts like he is obsessed with her and her panties.

Posted by: Mike on January 19, 2006 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

I'll bet Savage takes it up the poop-chute. Anyone that homophobic is usually closeted.

Posted by: Savage is closeted on January 19, 2006 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

Guys like Savage, Matthews, and Imus . . . These are guys whose fondest sexual memories involve being mounted by their college roommates after a couple of beers back when they were 19. Their sex lives have gone downhill ever since.

Naming the movie "Brokeback Mountain" is proof that it was put together my clueless heterosexuals. That title screams for stupid, anti-gay puns.

Jeffery

Posted by: Jeffery on January 19, 2006 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

Don Imus can sell books - everyone who appears on his show is sucking up to him because they have a book to sell, or will have. Homophobia is a running theme on the Imus show, and his guests know better than to cross him on something so basic to who he is.

Posted by: stmojo on January 19, 2006 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK

justmy2:

Do you listen to Michael Savage, tbrosz? Not flip by it, but listen to him.

Nah. Used to be on my favorite talk station before he left (or got booted off--don't know which), and I stopped listening to him relatively early on. I rarely call into talk shows, and only local ones, but I did call his show a few times because he'd unload some "fact" that was so completely off the deep end that it would have driven me nuts not to try and correct it.

I think he's still on the air around here somewhere, because I saw his face on a bus once.

Posted by: tbrosz on January 19, 2006 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINK

"I think he's still on the air around here somewhere, because I saw his face on a bus once."

He must have been so uncomfortable in a public bus.

Posted by: Boorring on January 19, 2006 at 5:30 PM | PERMALINK

Oops. I meant an advertising poster on the side of the bus.

Posted by: tbrosz on January 19, 2006 at 6:13 PM | PERMALINK

Bob Somerby has callede Chris "the fakest man alive." This just adds to the legend.

Posted by: TJM on January 19, 2006 at 6:49 PM | PERMALINK

WTF!

"Bareback" is gay slang for anal intercourse without a condom.

How did Ms. Thing know?

AS IF anal sex is THE way gay men get off. The clich ignorance about homos is astounding.


--TGM

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." ~Bertrand Russell

Posted by: The Gay Millionaire on January 19, 2006 at 7:37 PM | PERMALINK

I'll bet Savage takes it up the poop-chute. Anyone that homophobic is usually closeted.

..or extremely repressed.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/73355.php

Posted by: JK on January 19, 2006 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if it's that all these DC media types hang around together, and, personally, they don't find the radio ranters so hateful.

There may very well be something to that observation. A lot of what Imus and Savage do is pure schtick, and who would understand that better than a "mainstream" media type like Chris Matthews, who has a schtick of his own to peddle? Probably, the only people they feel they can be completely honest around are other media types who are in on the act. Matthews, Imus, and Savage are just carneys working the same midway.

Posted by: dr sardonicus on January 19, 2006 at 8:39 PM | PERMALINK

Gay Millionaire!

Long time no read your comments! Welcome back!

PttO

Michael Savage is a radio personality. Radio is the ass-end of show business. I would be shocked if Savage actually believes or practices anything that he says. His kid markets this drink called Rock Star energy drink or whatever and Savage is just a hack. People buy his New York accent and his schtick but he doesn't believe it. He's just following the Rush Limbaugh marketing plan--invent a persona, play it up to the hilt, make a ton of money.

Posted by: Pale Rider on January 19, 2006 at 10:00 PM | PERMALINK

I think people like Imus and Matthews really show their age with this fussy homophobia.

Of course, Tweety's salivation over Manly Man George in his Manly Flightsuit suggests that the lady doth protest too much.

I particularly like how, after complaining about the supposed Mafia slur of the 'Scalito' nickname and the racial implications of Hillary's 'plantation' remark, he goes and compares Osama to Michael Moore.

Posted by: ahem on January 19, 2006 at 10:15 PM | PERMALINK

Naming the movie "Brokeback Mountain" is proof that it was put together my clueless heterosexuals. That title screams for stupid, anti-gay puns.

Take it up with Annie Proulx.

Posted by: ahem on January 19, 2006 at 10:20 PM | PERMALINK

No homophobes on Imus; nope, uh-uh; not ever; never...

Posted by: pzykr on January 19, 2006 at 10:31 PM | PERMALINK

it's sort of strange seeing Matthews speak approvingly of a raging homophobe like Savage when he (Matthews) speaks quite frequently in a rather homoerotic way about George W. Bush, and his "manliness," even saying Bush, and I swear this is true, looks good in a pair of jeans. Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud, to the white courtesy phone.

Posted by: JBK on January 20, 2006 at 12:55 AM | PERMALINK

DH, I can't argue with you about Catholics, who effectively invented Fundamentalism with bizarre teachings like Papal Infallibility and The Assumption of Mary (bizarre because they were promulgated in modern times, when everybody knew better.) I'm talking about Protestants, including Bob Jones graduates, who retain some self respect.

Posted by: Ace Franze on January 20, 2006 at 9:10 AM | PERMALINK
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Posted by: 免费电影 on January 20, 2006 at 9:37 AM | PERMALINK

I listened to Michael Savage for about ten minutes, once, just because I couldn't get to the radio and turn it off. The only thing I have heard Rush Limbaugh utter that really appalled me was the unfortunate comment on Chelsea Clinton. Other than that, Rush does a ton more daily research than most other hosts. His most effective tactic is taking some stupid leftist comment and simply repeating it. The left never fails to supply enough of these to make Rush a well-to-do fellow.

All the same I am upset because I have a closet full of cowboy hats I won't be wearing until Brokeback Mountain is well-forgotten. It is amazing how unrelentingly Hollywood is pushing a romantic-liberal idealization of destructively addictive behaviors. Personally, I think "normalization" amounts to grooming, indoctrination, recruiting, and retention (yes, there would naturally be a lot of people drift away from the lifestyle if not for constant social reinforcement and even social subsidies now being put in place.)

In short, any civilization that is worth fighting for takes the blank slates that are children's minds and imprints only one message there: "Monogamous heterosexuality will not come naturally to you or anyone, but cherish it. Anything else leads to madness."

Posted by: Michael L. Cook on January 20, 2006 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK

"Matthews seems to implode daily"

And now, he compares Osama to an over the top Michael Moore. Chris craves to be hired by FAUX.

Michael L Cook,

Thanks for your homophobic remarks - Oh, please do wear your cowboy hat as you cruise Volunteer Park. Then sashay down Broadway to Hamburger Marys. Stroll around Capitol Hill, lots of nice bars would welcome you. Be sure to expound on your homophobic crap. It will be like being on a mission from the church again. Be sure to wear your cowboy belt with MICHAEL on the back.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on January 20, 2006 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

Wonder if Mr. Bush, our Village Person president, will be wearing his cowboy hat?

Michael L. Cook seems to think that sexuality is a "lifestyle" choice. I wonder if he has to decide on heterosexuality each morning? How stupid!

Posted by: Ace Franze on January 20, 2006 at 11:45 AM | PERMALINK

sarcasm? irony? you people ever watched matthews? such snarkiness is stock in trade for his lighter moments.

Posted by: lucretius on January 20, 2006 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK

Matthews is all the way out of the wingnut closet these days.

When my mom died, I inherited (lucky me) her apparently eternal subscription to the Limbaugh Letter. In last month's issue (which my husband pages through to sharpen his satirical skills) there was a full page article about Tweety, complete with a picture of him that was airbrushed nearly into oblivion. (But still not as phony as the pictures of the DittoHEAD himself, who must pay a full-time artist a bundle!) I didn't read it, but I can pretty much guess what it said. The Limbaugh Letter is nothing if not predictable...

Posted by: CaliforniaDrySherry on January 20, 2006 at 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

"...but in my experience with catholicism, it's a lot more culturally institutional, and (in my view) more greatly succeeds in its learned helplessness / Stockholm syndrome goals."

I agree and the conservative shift that has occured in the past twenty years has only made this more so. You might be suprised to find that many life-long Catholics (I'm guilty) feel a great deal less comfortable in/with our church than more recent Protestant converts.

"I've seen it "not take" (like with myself), but I don't know anyone who has invested in the hardcore aspects of the religion later become moderated."

I think you would be supised to find that a vast majority of lay people who work for the church and almost all of the Catholic church's intellectuals ARE moderated.

"...but when the Pope says, ex cathedra, that women are inherently inferior to men, not even my self-described "feminist" catholic relatives would dare to question it. Maybe it's a cultural difference, I don't know."

Not this pope...Benedict or John Paul...not ex cathedra. There have been no ex cathedra statements from any recent popes.

Posted by: Tim Durnin on January 20, 2006 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

How seriously does the average Catholic take-or does he even understand-the distinction between ex cathedra and non-ex cathedra announcements?

Posted by: Ace Franze on January 20, 2006 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

Point well made and taken.

Posted by: Tim Durnin on January 20, 2006 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

Tim Durnin:

I think you would be supised to find that a vast majority of lay people who work for the church and almost all of the Catholic church's intellectuals ARE moderated.

In point of fact, I understand that most catholics themselves are moderated. The point I was making is that I've never seen any catholic go FROM "hardcore" TO "moderated" based on some kind of enlightened epiphany of humility. I'm not saying it can't happen - I'm just saying I've never seen it.

Not this pope...Benedict or John Paul...not ex cathedra. There have been no ex cathedra statements from any recent popes.

Sorry, my man, but you're just wrong. John Paul II spoke ex cathedra many times, including the Ordinatio Sacerdotalis in 94, which is what I was referring to.

But the ex cathedra nature of his statements is really secondary to my point, as Ace mentions. My point is that I've never seen a papal statement so extreme (for example, stating that it's "a worthwhile question" to ask whether homosexuality represents a new wave of evil unleashed on the world) that it makes any catholic I know (and that's a lot of 'em) even bat an eye. Even those who consider themselves liberal, pro-gay rights, you name it. The indoctrination is just that strong.

And Ace, I agree with you completely about the protestants being pikers compared to the catholics in the zealotry department. I've seen a lot of praying to golden icons, statues of Mary, and bone fragments of saints and martyrs. But "it's not idolatry when WE do it". Yeah, ok, good luck with that.

Posted by: DH Walker on January 20, 2006 at 5:12 PM | PERMALINK

Other than that, Rush does a ton more daily research than most other hosts.

HA HA HA HA HA HA ....stop it...you are killing me...

Posted by: justmy2 on January 20, 2006 at 6:07 PM | PERMALINK


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