January 19, 2006
HOPE AND PRAYER....I haven't known what to write about the abduction of reporter Jill Carroll in Iraq two weeks ago, and I still don't. But I want to send our thoughts and prayers to her family, particularly her mother and my high school English teacher Mary Beth Carroll, who appeared on CNN this morning to appeal for Jill's release.
No aspect of war is pretty, but hostage-taking involves a special horror in that the family often has the opportunity to know their loved one is alive, they have the illusion that there is something they can do to secure a good outcome, and yet it really is impossible to predict or influence the actions of the hostage takers. We can only wish the Carrolls strength and peace at this very difficult time.
—Amy Sullivan 1:25 PM
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Prayers and good wishes for her and her family.
Posted by: GOPGregory on January 19, 2006 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK
The same goes for those eight women the US is holding in Iraq, whose families must be going through the same agony.
Posted by: Hostile on January 19, 2006 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK
I guess that's pretty much how Muslims felt when their family members were wrongly interred by the US in Iraqi and Guantanamo concentration camps, essentially held hostage under threat of torture and death.
Posted by: Advocate for God on January 19, 2006 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK
You beat me to it, Hostile.
Good pick up on a specific case.
Posted by: Advocate for God on January 19, 2006 at 2:11 PM | PERMALINK
I suppose the futile exercise known as prayer will have to do.
Next time oppose a war based on false pretenses with more passion so you don't have to feel as powerless.
Posted by: lib on January 19, 2006 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK
Wow, you commenters. Thanks for confirming my resolve to never read the comments on this site, but to stick with the always insightful and well-considered post.
Posted by: Sarah on January 19, 2006 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK
In other, more upbeat news, Osama has offered us truce. He has basically come to the same conclusion that we are losing. I think it was very generous of him to offer truce rather than outright destroying us. We should of course take the truce as soon as we can, and get the heck out of Iraq. I wonder if Bush would have been as generous as OBL and offered truce had we been in the winning situation. I guess, I have finally seen the light, you liberals were right afterall... we were the bad guys all along.
Posted by: Freedom Fighter on January 19, 2006 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK
I mean not to trivialize prison abuses in Guantanamo and Iraq, but having your terrified daughter put on t.v. with an execution deadline is a different, and in my opinion worse, animal.
Posted by: Dan-O on January 19, 2006 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK
May god watch over her and all involved in this
mess.
Imagine ( by John Lennon ) says it all
Posted by: Honey P on January 19, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK
Sarah,
Thank you - Now, go back to your substance abuse work for DHHS.
Posted by: thethirdPaul on January 19, 2006 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK
The hope is that Jill Caroll will be released.
This again demonstrates that the US government has no influence where it counts.
Posted by: Maude on January 19, 2006 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK
I agree with Sarah, and my thoughts are with the Carroll family and their friends.
Some of you people commenting are either immature, stupid, or both.
Posted by: Dr. Dan on January 19, 2006 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK
"The same goes for those eight women the US is holding in Iraq, whose families must be going through the same agony."
How can you possibly compare the kidnapping of an innocent reporter, who happens to be female, and 8 women that we know very little about?
Could it actually be that the US has actually detained a few people in Iraq who might be bad guys?
Can anyone here tell me with anything at all about the 8 women held by the US? Is it possible they are guilty of something?
Posted by: neil wilson on January 19, 2006 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK
"Could it actually be that the US has actually detained a few people in Iraq who might be bad guys?"
But I thought we were the bad guys... isn't that why the world hates us?
The people I really feel sorry for are the three hapless dude holding the AK-47s in the video. Just imagine how uncomfortable they must feel, having to stand so close to an unveiled infidel western woman, probably with very loose morals. That's probably how those poor insurgents felt when tortured by western female interogators.
Posted by: Freedom Fighter on January 19, 2006 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK
There are no distinctions in my mind among the various kinds of imprisonment and torture and threat of death. The situation Jill Carroll is in breaks our hearts, as did each revelation of abuse, torture, and "collateral damage" over the past several years.
The other part of us that seems to be broken is the connection between heart and moral action. None of this had to happen. I'm not sure I see anything about to occur that will end the threat to Jill or the vile treatment of prisoners elsewhere. The fact that there is nothing left to do but pray is a sign of our failures.
Posted by: PW on January 19, 2006 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK
But I thought we were the bad guys
Why is that the Right has so much trouble understanding that if one group of people are bad guys, its still possible for another group of people to be bad guys, even if they sometimes fight the first group?
Posted by: cmdicely on January 19, 2006 at 5:11 PM | PERMALINK
If the Iraqi freedom fighters, some call them insurgents, were to be asked, they would probably answer that all Americans are guilty of crimes committed by their democratically elected government, and that Ms. Carroll is suspect simply because of her citizenship. Our government almost certainly considers the eight women they are holding to be suspected of some type of crime against America or the occupation.
Being offended because some of us see Ms. Carroll's plight as similar to those of Iraqis the US holds in a prison well known for torture and death, belies the other commenters' perverse nationalism.
Posted by: Hostile on January 19, 2006 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK
Why are you praying. God is perfect. He has already decided exactly what he is going to do. Shame on you for thinking you have the power to get God to change his mind.
Only Moses was able to do that when he (twice) talked God out of committing genocide on the Jews. You are no Moses. Your prayers mean nothing to God. He already knew you were going to pray, anyway, and still he let this happen. If you think lots of people praying will help, just remember that God's will is not a plebecite.
Posted by: The Screed on January 19, 2006 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK
I do not include Ms. Sullivan in that group of perverse nationalists. She is genuinely concerned for an individual she knows, which is different from those who only wish Ms. Carroll well simply because she is an American and who consider the men, women, and children the US holds in Iraq to be guilty just because Americans abducted them. I think those of us who are called offensive care for all victims, not just the American ones.
Posted by: Hostile on January 19, 2006 at 5:29 PM | PERMALINK
Being offended because some of us see Ms. Carroll's plight as similar to those of Iraqis the US holds in a prison well known for torture and death, belies the other commenters' perverse nationalism.
Dunno Hostile. Maybe I'm just of the "There's a time and a place" crowd. That goes double for The Screed. There's something coldly unfeeling about your posts.
Anyway, my (agnostic in principal but atheistic in practice) prayers for Ms. Carroll. This is heart-renderingly sad (as are so many things - yes, Hostile - about this whole exercie).
Oh and Sarah you sound like the Church Lady.
(me just being an opinionated sob)
Posted by: snicker-snack on January 19, 2006 at 5:41 PM | PERMALINK
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Posted by: Jim Morrison on January 19, 2006 at 5:53 PM | PERMALINK
A better analogy than Gitmo and Abu Ghraib to the existing hostage situation is the way we got some of the old regime's people to surrender after the invasion. Several wives/kids, etc were arrested, not based on any crimes of their own but strictly to induce the husband/father to turn himself in. One of those Iraqi generals did so, was beaten to death, and his US Army killers are now on trial in Texas.
We used to condemn hostage taking when the Nazis did it.
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Posted by: K on January 19, 2006 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK
McAristotle on January 19, 2006 at 10:07 PM:
It sounded as if it was implying that she should be set free 'cos she was an anti-war reporter.
Or maybe they were trying to do what little they could to save her life, you pathetic prick.
As long as you have entire Arab media justifying everything because Muslims are 'provoked' by the West with Western liberals joining in...
Please cite any examples of the 'entire Arab media' or 'Western liberals' condoning kidnapping or murder...Oh wait! I forgot that you are McAristotle, the offshore-outsourced troll...You probably get paid 1/20th what domestic US trolls do...Doesn't that piss you off? It's definitely not enough to pay for you to do some research, you weak little man.
Posted by: grape_crush on January 20, 2006 at 12:07 AM | PERMALINK
imagine her suffering when the long knife starts sawing! Allahu-akbar! wow, can't wait till the video!
Posted by: Donkey_Courage on January 20, 2006 at 12:15 AM | PERMALINK
Please cite any examples of the 'entire Arab media' or 'Western liberals' condoning kidnapping or murder...
Posted by: grape_crush on January 20, 2006 at 12:07 AM | PERMALINK
Here's one on an 'audacious' attempt to fly a plane into a landmark
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/13/AR2006011301816_pf.html
Posted by: McA on January 20, 2006 at 12:57 AM | PERMALINK
imagine her suffering when the long knife starts sawing! Allahu-akbar! wow, can't wait till the video!
Posted by: Donkey_Courage
try not to stain your screen ...
Posted by: Nads on January 20, 2006 at 5:32 AM | PERMALINK
Here's one on an 'audacious' attempt to fly a plane into a landmark
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seriously ... this is the best you can do? an offhand use of "audacious" equates in your peabrain with "condoning" kidnapping or murder? pathetic.
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