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January 19, 2006
By: Zachary Roth

ABRAMOFF AND THE DEMOCRATS, CONT'D....Two weeks after Jack Abramoff's plea deal was announced, the press is continuing to fall for the GOP line that the scandal is somehow bipartisan. In todays Washington Post, Jonathan Weisman reports that Congressional Democrats yesterday laid out a plan to change what they called a GOP 'culture of corruption' in Washington, even as Republicans pointed to ethics lapses on their antagonists' side of the aisle.

One such ethics lapse, according to Republicans and the credulous Post, is the following:

Sen. Byron L. Dorgan (D-N.D.), one of Abramoff's toughest critics, has acknowledged that in the fall of 2003 he pushed Congress to approve legislative language urging government regulators to decide whether the Mashpee Wampanoag tribe of Massachusetts deserved federal recognition. About the same time, Dorgan met with the tribe's representatives and Michael D. Smith, an Abramoff associate.

But as we reported last week: Dorgan...has been working on behalf of Indian tribes far longer than Abramoff has been bilking them. Whats more, we also confirmed that: Smith, a veteran Democratic operative, had worked closely with Dorgans office since well before he joined Greenberg [the lobbying firm for which Abramoff worked] in 2000, a year before Abramoff did." So the fact that Dorgan continued to work with Smith on behalf of Indian tribes in no way suggests that Dorgan was implicated in Abramoffs schemes.

Maybe not every Post reporter reads the Monthly site. But it wouldnt have taken more than a couple of phone calls to get this crucial context about Dorgan and Smith.

If reporters are simply going to repeat GOP charges wholesale rather than subjecting them to some basic scrutiny, and figuring out whether or not theyre valid we could be hearing the phrase bipartisan scandal for quite a while.

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Zachary Roth wrote: If reporters are simply going to repeat GOP charges wholesale rather than subjecting them to some basic scrutiny, and figuring out whether or not theyre valid ...

Please, please, please get a clue. The so-called "reporters" are owned by the same corporations that own the GOP. It's their job to "repeat GOP charges wholesale".

Posted by: SecularAnimist on January 19, 2006 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

If reporters are simply going to repeat GOP charges wholesale

They are, they are. This is what passes for "liberal media."

Posted by: craigie on January 19, 2006 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

By now, anything the Republican leaders say should be treated as a lie unless proven otherwise.

Posted by: keith on January 19, 2006 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

When the Ombudsman for the post is saying things like this, it hardly surprising what their reporters repeat:
http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/washpostblog/2006/01/deborah_howell_.html

Posted by: Mike on January 19, 2006 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin-
If Republicans insist on making up lies and stories why don't you do the same to counter? Try repeating every day "Abramoff and the Republicans raped children on their golf trips!"

Or, wait, maybe that wouldn't be very credible and would backfire? Huh-- how curious, I wonder why all the Republican "lies" about Democrats sound so plausible but the Dem's can't come up with anything credible to fire back? Hmmm?? Ever stop to think about that? I wonder.

Posted by: Bickerly on January 19, 2006 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK

Power corrupts. Both sides will indulge in this stuff given the opportunity. The solution to (reducing, not ending) corruption in DC is smaller government but this is a faint hope now, unfortunately.

The Cisneros independent counsel report will badly wound the Democrats' efforts to capitalize on Abramoff. Especially if a whistle blower leaks the 120 pages still concealed.

Posted by: Mike K on January 19, 2006 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

Oh me, Oh my. I wonder when reporters will stop uncritically repeating GOP talking points. It's almost like they pretend to be ignorant, or that they think it's their job to support the Republican party instead of informing the American public. I'm sure they'll wake up soon.

Posted by: Stupid Tinybrain on January 19, 2006 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

all is not lost...

better late than never...

from today's wapo....

The GOP has received nearly two-thirds of the campaign donations from Abramoff's lobbying team and Indian tribal clients, and 100 percent of his personal donations.

Federal prosecutors looking into the Abramoff case have so far implicated only a Republican lawmaker, a Bush administration procurement official and GOP aides in charging documents.

- WASH. POST 1/19/06


truthful and accurate....


Posted by: thisspaceavailable on January 19, 2006 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

Mike K, fresh off the barstool: The Cisneros independent counsel report will badly wound the Democrats' efforts to capitalize on Abramoff.

Good point! We'll give this as much credence as your oft-repeated and similarly definitive statements that "Fitzgerald will not indict anyone," ""The insurgency is over" and so forth.

Posted by: shortstop on January 19, 2006 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

then again....the attorney general surely knew that the search of ames' home was not against the fisa law in 1993...

it was changed by congress in 1995...

sure he knew that right?

either way....that isnt good....

reporters might be lazy but the gop and rove have taken obfuscation to a whole nother level...

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on January 19, 2006 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

The solution to (reducing, not ending) corruption in DC is smaller government but this is a faint hope now, unfortunately.

a perfect example of a solution looking for a problem - also of the syndrome where all problems look like nails, when all you have is a hammer.

Posted by: cleek on January 19, 2006 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

This is their baby. It is incumbent upon every last one of us to make sure that the bastard childs paternity is known. Do not back down and do not appologize. Make sure that everyone who tries to gloss over the GOP's problems gets called on it. Write letters to the editor. Call your local news outlets. Make your voice heard. Get your senators and representatives phone numbers on your speed dial.

Posted by: Global Citizen on January 19, 2006 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

mike k: Power corrupts. Both sides will indulge in this stuff given the opportunity.


during clinton the gop had 7-years and 50-million dollars worth of investigations covering 10-year old to consentual sex to firings at the travel office..


meantime.....sen. pat roberts still can't find time to begin phase-2 of his -promised- intell investigation into hyping intell...

and that's after the downing street memo...

see...

they are the same....

lol

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on January 19, 2006 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

Looks like Mike K's been hitting his own ether again, since he's flying high as a kite.

Posted by: Stefan on January 19, 2006 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

They do and we will.

Posted by: paul on January 19, 2006 at 4:17 PM | PERMALINK

It is illegal to give money to politicians that enriches them personally or is part of a quid pro quo agreement. It is not too difficult to identify personal enrichment, but it is all but impossible to identify quid pro quo transactions. Consequently, whenever money is given and certain actions follow, it is assumed by everyone that the favor was granted in payment for the contributions (unless there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary). Most of the indictments will implicate Republicans and they will take the brunt of the blame, but no one escapes the taint of campaign donations. This will never change unless we find a different way to pay for elections.

Posted by: NeilS on January 19, 2006 at 4:19 PM | PERMALINK

If Republicans insist on making up lies and stories why don't you do the same to counter? Try repeating every day "Abramoff and the Republicans raped children on their golf trips!" Or, wait, maybe that wouldn't be very credible and would backfire? Huh-- how curious, I wonder why all the Republican "lies" about Democrats sound so plausible but the Dem's can't come up with anything credible to fire back? Hmmm?? Ever stop to think about that? I wonder.

Well, you want to have stories that have some scintilla of truth to them, that sound believable. Such as these:

Rush Limbaugh is a junkie!

Bill O'Reilly is a sexual harasser and serial adulterer!

Bill Bennett is a degenerate gambler!

Republican presidential candidate Pat Robertson is in the diamond smuggling business with Liberian terrorists!

Karl Rove snuck man-whore Jeff Gannon into the White House for overnight visits so Gannon could sodomize him!

Bush is boozing and snorting coke again!

Duke Cunningham is a bribe-taking sleazeball!

Rick Santorum enjoys man-on-dog sex!

Abramoff, DeLay, Frist and the rest of the Republican caucus are a bunch of corrupt crooks who bilk the elderly and poor Indians to pay for their silk sheets, Cuban cigars and expensive vacations!

Republicans sold arms to Iranian terrorists in exchange for hostages!

[I've made up only one of the above -- can you guess which one?]

Posted by: Stefan on January 19, 2006 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

GC: This is their baby. It is incumbent upon every last one of us to make sure that the bastard childs paternity is known.

Maybe we could rent billboards across the country: "Who's the father? Call 1-800-GOP-PAPA."

Posted by: shortstop on January 19, 2006 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

Rick Santorum enjoys man-on-dog sex!

I suspect he enjoys dog-on-man sex even more.

Posted by: Urple on January 19, 2006 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

Question to Zachary:

Do you guys call the WaPo or NYtimes to make these kind of comments? And, if so, how do they respond?

Posted by: brewmn on January 19, 2006 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK

These WaPo (and NYT, etc.) reporters write what they're told to write. Pretenting it's anything but deliberate is just playing the game.

Posted by: Dick Durata on January 19, 2006 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

I suspect he enjoys dog-on-man sex even more.

Okay, I've been down in the "values" thread laughing at the goofballs who are crying about being called bigots when they just "want less homosexual sex in this culture." However, I now have to say:

STOP PUSHING YOUR DOG-ON-MAN SEX VALUES IN OUR FACES, RICK SANTORUM! STAY AWAY FROM OUR CHILDREN!

Posted by: shortstop on January 19, 2006 at 4:33 PM | PERMALINK

Shortstop: Maybe we could rent billboards across the country: "Who's the father? Call 1-800-GOP-PAPA."

I have fifty bucks for the cause...

Posted by: Global Citizen on January 19, 2006 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

For what it's worth, the plus +150 comments to Washington Post's Ombusdperson Deborah Howell that took her to task for confusing the money given by Abramoff with money given by groups dealing with Abramoff have disappeared from the WaPo website.

Posted by: Mr. Bill on January 19, 2006 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK

Nonetheless, it will be difficult to continue this spin when further indictments come down, all of Republicans.

Republicans are going for short-term news cycle management, which to my mind is better than the long-term approach they have successfully used in the past.

Posted by: Jim J on January 19, 2006 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

"Good point! We'll give this as much credence as your oft-repeated and similarly definitive statements that "Fitzgerald will not indict anyone," ""The insurgency is over" and so forth.

Posted by: shortstop "

As I recall, my point about Fitzgerald was that there was no Rove indictment. I'd be happy to see you show me the statement you allege.

The insurgency is losing but not over. I'm sure that saddens you.

I'd also like to see the $1 million into McCain's private account. Keating was a McCain constituent and he was the only Republican to meet with him. The other 4 were you-know-whats. The Senate, then run by Dems, dragged him into it to make it "bipartisan." If you have evidence of a "$1 million bribe" why didn't you turn it over to the law ?

Can't you folks come up with some valid points ? This juvenile stuff makes you look like not very bright kids.

Posted by: Mike K on January 19, 2006 at 4:58 PM | PERMALINK


jim.....


OBL to the rescue.....


again...


Posted by: thisspaceavailable on January 19, 2006 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK

mike k.....what's taking gop sen. pats roberts so long...

he said he'd investigate white house hyping intell before the iraq war...

after..

the elections..

its been....14-months...

we've known about the downing street memo even longer than that..

he's a man of his word....right?

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on January 19, 2006 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

The GOP still has sole ownership of the man with the longest criminal rap sheet in history to occupy the Oval Office - George W. Bush.

When can the American people expect a full airing of his criminal past?!?

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on January 19, 2006 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry, but Indian money isn't Abrahamoff money, and I for one am very tired of the racist trope that any time Indians supported a politician, they did it because Jack Abrahamoff told them to.

Indians aren't stupid. You think they needed Jack Abrahamoff to tell them that Patrick Kennedy was pro-Indian? That they are such mental defectives that they needed Abrahamoff to figure out that THE GUY WHO FOUNDED THE NATIVE AMERICAN CAUCUS in the House, and who was part of the well-known political family that has been supporting Indian Rights issues since the 60's, was probably a good idea? Hell, you think that, you probably think oil companies needed Jack Abrahamoff to tell them that George Bush is a guy they should support.

Wow, Indians supported Democrats? Duh, yeah. We're the party that passed Civil Rights, and the party that didn't follow Nixon's lead and adopt his "Southern Strategy" of appealing to racist white folks. We're the ones who, when we get in power, tend to make things suck less for Indians than the other guys do.

Why the hell is the Post surprised that a group is giving money to the politicians who have historically supported their rights? And why do can't they see the difference between that and giving money to the politicians who historically didn't support their rights?

Ugh, morons.

Posted by: theorajones on January 19, 2006 at 5:13 PM | PERMALINK

If Indians aren't stupid, why did they sell Manhattan for $10 and some beads?

Posted by: Malkin Lover--I'll bet she likes it in the butt on January 19, 2006 at 5:25 PM | PERMALINK

"If reporters are simply going to repeat GOP charges wholesale..."

If? IF???

going to? GOING TO????

See-no-evil Drum has achieved a new personal best.

Posted by: cdj on January 19, 2006 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK

While Repubs have pulled a fast one yet again, the libs have been worrying about matrices and clustering and strategizing (Ref. the previous Kevin's post today).

Why is it so hard for Democrats to for once just speak the unvarnished truth:

Republicans are a bunch of crooks.

Posted by: lib on January 19, 2006 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK

I am glad to see some bipartisan bashing on this thread.

Abramoff was the demon of the GOP. The Democrats are just as bad. Both parties are corrupt to their core.

When I see democrats reform their own, I might consider membership.

The GOP is a hopeless hostage to international business and their foot soldiers, the mindless Red State Rural mentality. Neocons say "ARABS - BAD!" and the entire rural population of West Virginia signs up to go kill A-Rabs.

But the Dems aren't any better. I want to see citizen legislators who rotate in and out of governmet without lining their pockets.

And I don't see any evidence that either party wants to give up their advantage over the 'dreaded' others on the other side of the aisle.

The animosity has grown in my lifetime. Just the generalizations about Blue State and Red State voters shows the hatred between groups in this country.

I don't feel at home in either party, but the GOP has angered me the most. I thought Clinton was the worst president in history.

Bush makes Clinton look good. I'll never forgive him for that. Clinton was a sleazy southern pol who used ;ublic office to satisfy his lowly, white trash appetites and enrich his backers.

So how is this any different than Abramoff?

loftier goals?

Posted by: wenn on January 19, 2006 at 5:31 PM | PERMALINK

wenn

are you for real?

or just Nader's ghost?

Dems and Repubs are alike, my ass.

Posted by: lib on January 19, 2006 at 5:45 PM | PERMALINK

Someone should just go and do an analysis of the bipartisan contribution histories of ALL native american tribes, and end this debate once and for all.

Indeed, most interesting will likely be the finding that the Abramoff tribes skewed out of the norm in contributions to Republicans.

Of course, I'm only guessing on some conventional wisdom, but I am convinced that tribes are bipartisan givers (though likely trending one way or the other based upon specific issues), and that this fact alone undermines the argument that somehow Abramoff-controlled tribes giving money to Democrats shows they are connected to the Abramoff corruption scandal.

Further, it seems very possible that analysis of giving by native american tribes will show some peculiar trending with the Abramoff-tied tribes, and not in favor of Democratic contributions.

Posted by: Jimm on January 19, 2006 at 5:51 PM | PERMALINK

Sometimes, there really is no point in debating on a chair, or table, but far better to just sweep the legs right out underneath the farcical playing field.

Posted by: Jimm on January 19, 2006 at 5:52 PM | PERMALINK

Howard Dean appeared with Wolf Blitzer and told him straight out that no democrats took money from Abramoff. Wolf looked to be in total disbelief. At the end Blitzer actually looked deflated...and let out a little huff. You can see it if you have Quick Time. :Quick Time Link Here.


Posted by: patrick on January 19, 2006 at 5:54 PM | PERMALINK

?Zachary Roth,

You need to read Kevin's posts where he defends the press as "the best we have ever seen" and then goes on to critize those of us who do not agree as being shrill.

Now, I'm not saying you are wrong...just out of step with Kevin's middle class world.

Posted by: S Brennan on January 19, 2006 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK

Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Our government is in the hands of corrupt people. Corrupt republicans and their cronies who are sit in appointed positions and bleed this country dry and still we have idiots who look backward to the Clinton years when the predecessors to this corrupt clique made it their goal to find ways to smear Clinton, halt progress, and lay the groundwork for today's culture of corruption. The power of the party ahead of the good of the country. It's time for the right wingers to pull their heads out of the sand (or perhaps the lower halves of their anatomies) and stop parroting the Limbaughs, Hannitys, and O'Reileys of this world. Even if things were worse during the Clinton years, which they weren't, there are problems today which need to be dealt with and sliming democrats does not clean up the republicans. If they all do, then they all need to be fired, but any objective person can see that the weight of the current scandal is being carried by the majority party. Be realistic. Why try to buy democrats when there are plenty of republicans for sale and they're the party in power.

Posted by: sparky on January 19, 2006 at 6:07 PM | PERMALINK

Must... Not... Giggle...

Hmmmmppp...

Yeah, the Dems have clean hands.

Hmmmmppp...

Sure...

Posted by: Birkel on January 19, 2006 at 6:07 PM | PERMALINK

What's wrong with reporters. Maybe its that they are trying way too hard to even keel about the Abramoff stories and other stories. seems to me that instead of being independant, they now feel they have to be fair to both sides, which of course isn't fair to the dems in this case or to the Amer people.

reporters are definately cowed by 911, the GOP noise machine, and the critisim of being too liberal.

Nice work, GOP.

Posted by: the fake Fake Al on January 19, 2006 at 6:07 PM | PERMALINK
See-no-evil Drum has achieved a new personal best.

The sans-serif font used only for guest bloggers, the "Guest: Zachary Roth" at the top, and the "-Zachary Roth" at the bottom all should have been clues that "See-no-evil Drum" didn't make this post.

Posted by: cmdicely on January 19, 2006 at 6:09 PM | PERMALINK

Ugh, morons.

Posted by: theorajones

You are the moron if you think the Indians gave money to the Democrats without expecting something in return. I love the hypocracy!

Posted by: Fat White Guy on January 19, 2006 at 6:10 PM | PERMALINK

It'll never happen, but any such anti-corruption legislation or rules NEED to hit a large number of Democratic Congresspeople.
There's simply no other way to ensure that they are stringent enough to have an appreciable impact.
They'll also need to reach even deeper into the bureaucracy and appointed offices than the Civil Service Reform Act did.

And if that means 25% of the Democratic pols in the House and Senate end up indicted, that's unfortunate.
Collateral damage, as it were, because it'll hit 75% of the Republicans.

But if you really want to have an impact ... we'll need something that prohibits Congress-critter AND their staff and families from taking jobs or accepting gifts or other compensation for five years after leaving office. Maybe ten. At the very least it'll encourage a longer-term planning cycle instead of the short-sighted short-run thinking that seems to be pandemic.

Posted by: kenga on January 19, 2006 at 6:15 PM | PERMALINK

Well Fatwhite guy what should be done with these lying dems. Any ideas?

Posted by: patton on January 19, 2006 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

Um ... Portly Caucasoid Male ...
Did ever it occur to you that perhaps they contributed money so that those Democratic politicians might win an election, and so "represent" their interests?

Posted by: kenga on January 19, 2006 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

"For what it's worth, the plus +150 comments to Washington Post's Ombusdperson Deborah Howell that took her to task for confusing the money given by Abramoff with money given by groups dealing with Abramoff have disappeared from the WaPo website." Mr. Bill

As I understand it the Washington Post blog has now disappeared all together. Apparently too much bad language.

Posted by: Ron Byers on January 19, 2006 at 6:34 PM | PERMALINK

Read all about it. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001882066

Posted by: Ron Byers on January 19, 2006 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK

I must confess ... if whatever new law and/or rules that may come about are sufficiently stringent that 25% of sitting Democratic Congresspersons are indicted, I won't really think it's unfortunate.
3 squares and a roof is a lot better than getting blown up because your uncle has some acquaintances who have friends that the CIA wants to kill with a UAV.
And hey! Maybe before they wind up in jail with their Republican colleagues, they'll do something to make prisons safer for non-violent inmates.
Two-fer.

Posted by: kenga on January 19, 2006 at 6:39 PM | PERMALINK

You are the moron if you think the Indians gave money to the Democrats without expecting something in return. I love the hypocracy!

Hey, Fat Guy, the unfortunate state of politics in the United States leads to alliance building. That means that people who have an issue or an agenda they want to see addressed (e.g., Indian tribes) give money to politicians who express sympathy or concurrence with the givers' values. This so that the politician will be re-elected to vote on issues that both the politician and the giver care about.

Now, in some cases, this may mean that the giver is really just contributing to the Congresscritter's reelection in order to pay him off for his vote. This very grey area is, regrettably, something we live with in our (truly disgusting) system.

None of this, however, even begins to describe the crime network established by Tom Delay and Jack Abramoff, in which huge amounts were contributed to "charities" (permitting the contributor to take a fucking tax deduction) before being redirected into the campaigns of members of the particular mafia operation that Jack Abramoff was supporting at the time. Frequently, the slush fund was used to put some party hack on a payroll, just to keep the little orc happy and content. There was a little something for everyone. Oh, and did I mention that the original contributor to the charity, in addition to the tax deduction, would receive billion dollar subsidies or tax breaks or other boondoggles for their trouble.

You see, there is a difference between massive, shameless Republican corruption and the petty little bullshit built into the American campaign finance system. You know this of course but are spouting the talking points in order to cover the stinking corpse. Still Fat Guy, I want you to know that we have your number, we have the Republicans' number, and that most of us will live long enough to see justice done. We will have your heads on pikes, mutherfucker.

Posted by: Baldrick on January 19, 2006 at 6:41 PM | PERMALINK

Many said that McCain was the representative Republican among the Keating Five and was unfairly maligned. Might not Dorgan be serving the same purpose?

Posted by: mjcost on January 19, 2006 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK

Many said that McCain was the representative Republican among the Keating Five and was unfairly maligned. Might not Dorgan be serving the same purpose?

Posted by: mj cost on January 19, 2006 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

For those of you who missed the Washington Post Forum today, here is the site that has cached the page before the pussies at the paper decided to shut down the comments on their site.

The ombudsman Debra Howell of Wa Po is a piece of work.

Posted by: lib on January 19, 2006 at 6:44 PM | PERMALINK

"Many said that McCain was the representative Republican among the Keating Five and was unfairly maligned. Might not Dorgan be serving the same purpose?

Posted by: mjcost"

I think you have a good point. I'd still like to see the evidence of $1 million into McCain's private account. If you want an adult discussion, act like an adult.

Posted by: Mike K on January 19, 2006 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK

"Dorgan...has been working on behalf of Indian tribes far longer than Abramoff has been bilking them"

Congressmen have been dealing with lobbyists before Abramoff came around, but so what? If the scandal is having taken money from Abramoff, as the press implies in its many breathless stories, then it is bipartisan. If it is a bribery scandal, then it isn't that big of a scandal; based on what we know now, Congressman Ney seems to be the only one who might be in trouble.

Posted by: Timmy on January 19, 2006 at 7:15 PM | PERMALINK

Mark,

Care to come up with some links regarding the alleged felony counts against Senator Feingold?
He nearly lost the 98 election because he refused to take money.

In addition, as much as I usually disagree with Dr Mike, where did you come up with the mill in McCain's pocket? During the investigation of the Keating 5, there was only 1.3 million dollars alleged to have been paid to the entire 5. Sen Glenn was supposed to have received $200,000. Many felt that McCain was only considered because he was a counter weight to Glenn. The big money was supposed to have gone to Sen Cranston. Only Cranston was censured. The other four were slapped on the wrist for basically using poor judgment.
Therefore, how did a mill go to McCain while the other 300,000 was divided among the four? If Cranston received so little, why was he censured?

If you are going to hurl charges, do some research.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on January 19, 2006 at 7:23 PM | PERMALINK

Scott McClellan announced today that he cannot comment on an ongoing investigation.

So until further notice he has absolutely nothing to say, goodby.

Posted by: Sideline on January 19, 2006 at 7:23 PM | PERMALINK

Isn't printing spin that is inaccurate without pointing out it is inaccurate a serious ethics lapse on the part of the reporter and paper?

It is true that the corruption in Washington extends beyond the Republican party. It infects much of the press.

Posted by: davis1234 on January 19, 2006 at 7:55 PM | PERMALINK
how do they respond? Posted by: brewmn
They never respond.
The insurgency is losing but not over. I'm sure that saddens you. Posted by: Mike K
The insurgency is not over which means the US is not winning. Democrats do not back the insurgency; Republicans use it for their smear-and-lie policy.
Yeah, the Dems have clean hands. Posted by: Birkel
What would Republicans do without their straw men? The issue is that Democrats were cut out of the K Street project, not that there are not other means of corruption. Secondly, the posters here do not, as Republicans do, begin last ditch defenses of their crooks. If you violate our trust, we no longer trust you.
I love the hypocracy! Posted by: Fat Angry Guy
It's spelled h-y-p-o-c-r-I-s-y. Note, Democrats don't have the power to deliver anything. That's the beauty of your K Street Project. Republicans get all the pay to play.
If you want an adult discussion, act like an adult. Posted by: Mike K
" The insurgency is losing but not over. I'm sure that saddens you." Posted by: Mike K


Posted by: Mike on January 19, 2006 at 8:36 PM | PERMALINK

Mike K and the other trolls demonstrate a fairly complete palette of cheap rhetorical tricks.

We all benefit from the education they offer us, and will thank them profusely in days to come.

As their examples will help us to avoid being fooled by more significant liars.

Posted by: Eric Senger on January 19, 2006 at 9:54 PM | PERMALINK

"Mike K and the other trolls demonstrate a fairly complete palette of cheap rhetorical tricks.

We all benefit from the education they offer us, and will thank them profusely in days to come.

As their examples will help us to avoid being fooled by more significant liars.

Posted by: Eric Senger "

Anyone who disagrees with you, or even questions your assumptions, is a troll.

How many posts did you send to the WaPo blog before they had to shut it down ?

Obscenity and puerile abuse is not going to win elections. I would like a strong two-party system. You people will not make that happen.

Corruption flourishes in monopoly government. Ask Louis XVI.

Ask Tony Benn.

Posted by: Mike K on January 19, 2006 at 11:56 PM | PERMALINK

cmdicely -

You're 100% right - my blunder . Next time, rather than trying to identify the lion by the print of its paw, I'll first take a quick look around for the damn lion itself!

Posted by: cdj on January 20, 2006 at 4:28 AM | PERMALINK
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You Libs need to get a life. Bush won Kerry the "war hero" lost. Get over it. Truth to you libs is like garlic to a vampire. Oh yeah by the way did you hear the truth about your minority leader Mr Reid. Took over 100,000.00 from those indians and low and behold he interceeded for them.

Posted by: Thomas on January 20, 2006 at 9:58 AM | PERMALINK

You Libs need to get a life. Bush won Kerry the "war hero" lost. Get over it. Truth to you libs is like garlic to a vampire. Oh yeah by the way did you hear the truth about your minority leader Mr Reid. Took over 100,000.00 from those indians and low and behold he interceeded for them.

Posted by: Thomas on January 20, 2006 at 9:59 AM | PERMALINK

thomas....odd that only republicans have...

a. pled guilty in the scandal (abramoff, scanlon)

b. been named in any indictments...


there's a reason why you are a dead ender....


Posted by: thisspaceavailable on January 20, 2006 at 10:57 AM | PERMALINK


bush said he was a uniter....


now a majority agree he's a lousy president...

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on January 20, 2006 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

I love it! The trolls are running scared.
You Libs need to get a life. Bush won Kerry the "war hero" lost. Get over it.
They flail about flinging desperate strawmen
The insurgency is losing but not over. I'm sure that saddens you.
Desperately trying to make this bipartisan...
So the Dems started the process?

Won't be long before that panicky sweat shorts out their keyboards. I can't wait.

Posted by: ckelly on January 20, 2006 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

Excuse Me? Interceding on behalf of tribal recognition for the Mashpee Wampanoag tribe of Massachusetts is a no brainer. This is the tribe that saved the Pilgrims from starvation, and gave us the first Thanksgiving. Their leader, Massasoit, protected the English colonists from other tribes, who thought a massacre was more appropriate. The Mashpee Wampanoags are mainland cousins of the Gays Head Wampanoag tribe on Martha's Vineyard.

Of course, it's easy to see why Abramoff and GOoPer trolls would have such contempt for Native Americans. For the GOP Crime Syndicate, all of America is little more than a GOP Crony looting opportunity.

Posted by: ck on January 20, 2006 at 12:27 PM | PERMALINK

Thomas: Oh yeah by the way did you hear the truth about your minority leader Mr Reid. Took over 100,000.00 from those indians and low and behold he interceeded for them.

Snoooooooooze.

Bush and the GOP are a bunch of criminals and the public is finally seeing the truth of it.

You backed a loser and a liar.

Deal with it.

Sources say the photographs are being kept safe. Abramoff would tell prosecutors, if asked, that not only did he know the President, but the President knew the names of Abramoffs children and asked about them during their meetings. At one such photo session, Bush discussed the fact that both he and Abramoff were fathers of twins.

Consider the White House touched, rdw.

Big time.

Yet another lie by the president through his factotum.

Posted by: Advocate for God on January 20, 2006 at 5:32 PM | PERMALINK

Advocate

The lead Editorial in the USA Thursday showed a picture of Dennis Hastert with David Dried in one caption and next to it a picture of Harry Reid with Nancy Pelosi. Under it they listed the favors each has accepted.

This is why 80% think both sides are equally guilty and it's not going to change much. Democrats would do much better if they could agree on what they stood for and then sold that. 1994 wasn't about Democratic corruption. It was about the Contract with America.

The Washington post also did a study on the contributions jack directed the tribes to make. The list 68 Democrats received Abramhoff direfted contributions. Despite fierce complaints from Democrats they refuse to make a distinction between money Abramhoff contributed in his name or what he directed his clients to distribute. They're not playing your game.

Posted by: rdw on January 20, 2006 at 11:05 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin makes a good point that Democrats never concede when criticizing Republicans. Many times politicians are accused of corruption for taking contributions from constituents who want them to vote in certain ways that they were already inclined to vote.

In this case, however, Dorgan had always been on the Indian dole and done their bidding. Abramoff was merely the latest in a long line of Indian lobbyists who had been lining Dorgan's pockets.

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