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January 22, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

24 BLOGGING....A few days ago Jim Henley said he was giving up on 24:

Watched 24 last night. Not watching tonight. It was bad. Last season was bad too, but last season was resonant bad. It was bad in a culturally interesting way. Its badness had a lot to say about kinks in the post-9/11 American psyche. It was martyr-complex bad and torture-justifyin bad and bluster/blubber bad in addition to its esthetic failures.

This time around all we have are the esthetic failures....

I think Jim is missing a bet. In seasons 1 and 2 we watched in order to find out just how comically farfetched the "Kim in peril" scenes could get. Last season we were spellbound by the bizarre and ultimately unfathomable torture fest. This season we have....

No, not datamining, although we do have that. What we have this season is President Charles Logan, possibly the most worthless excuse for a fictional leader of the free world ever. Just how much of dink will they make him into? Will he eventually panic and order the assassination of Jack Bauer? Start rolling around on the floor and chewing the carpet? Or will the scriptwriters chicken out and allow him to redeem himself with some unexpected act of moral bravery at the end?

That's what makes this season worth watching: basking in the utter worthlessness and steady emotional deterioration on Fox! of Republican President Charles Logan.

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Well, between this and West Wing, Democrats can luxuriate in a world where politics and politicians are just the way they imagine them. After all, what has reality done for them lately?

Posted by: tbrosz on January 22, 2006 at 1:37 AM | PERMALINK

Yeah, and reality is the GOP's best friend! WMDs, hurricane preparedness, Medicare prescription program, Miers nomination, Abramoff, and those famous "last throes".

Posted by: Zeno on January 22, 2006 at 1:51 AM | PERMALINK

Well, tbrosz, between Rush Limbaugh being an addict, Virtue Czar Bennett being a gambling addict, Pat Robertson being a nutcase, Tom DeLay being a crook, Duke Cunningham being a sleaze, and the president thinking he's above the law, I think reality has an odd habit of reinforcing my prejudices.

Posted by: alex on January 22, 2006 at 1:51 AM | PERMALINK

Which movie did I see that had the GOP House Majority leader indicted and defrocked? And another GOP leader being close to indictment. And the President, so deadly afraid of hard questions, speaks only the military audiences or to hand picked people.

Perhaps tbrosz can refresh my memory.

Posted by: lib on January 22, 2006 at 1:59 AM | PERMALINK

I think reality has an odd habit of reinforcing my prejudices.

Bill Clinton had sex with Monica Lewinsky. *Snicker*

Posted by: Al on January 22, 2006 at 2:09 AM | PERMALINK

I don't even watch TV, but since last year do not ever miss a 24. Sometimes people read too much into TV shows...for my money, 24 is great entertainment, and paced awesome. I haven't look forward to a show as much since the X-Files back in 97 or so when they had all the great sci-fi political stuff going on...

Posted by: Jimm on January 22, 2006 at 2:32 AM | PERMALINK

I stopped watching "24" after 9/11. It stressed me out too much, and I decided that more stress was something I did not need.

I don't regret my decision.

Posted by: fiat lux on January 22, 2006 at 2:36 AM | PERMALINK

Bad, bad, bad. Maybe on a desert island, with electricity and a dish. But then there's just so much better TV these days, especially if you have cable. 24 hours of my time is worth so much more, even if 24 were an all-out parody of Bush.

Posted by: Tyler on January 22, 2006 at 2:38 AM | PERMALINK

"Bill Clinton had sex with Monica Lewinsky. *Snicker*"

He put her diddlywhatsits in her wumwumdiddle!
*snicker*

/Republican Vapor-attack.

Posted by: bryan on January 22, 2006 at 4:05 AM | PERMALINK

"Bill Clinton had sex with Monica Lewinsky. *Snicker*"

Tee-hee. He said sex.

Posted by: Kenji on January 22, 2006 at 4:53 AM | PERMALINK

Just what is the basis for saying Logan is a Republican? I've always assumed he was a Democrat, just because they've portrayed him as so worthless from the time he was introduced last season. It was suggested the previous year that Keeler was a Democrat (in fact, there was extensive discussion in the blogosphere of the fact that his campaign signs looked remarkably like Kerry's). And Logan took over, IIRC, after Keeler was elected and his plane taken out by terrorists.

Posted by: Alex on January 22, 2006 at 5:37 AM | PERMALINK

I gave up after season 2. All I can say is I wish I had some of whatever the writers are smoking.

The plot doubled and tripled back on itself in so many improbable ways that it began to resemble some of the worst time travel paradox scripts from Star Trek. Hello? Internal continuity? Ever heard of the concept?

Personally, I was rooting for Kim to get knocked off about halfway through season 1.

Posted by: CFShep on January 22, 2006 at 7:46 AM | PERMALINK

Yawn. Make that a really big yawn.

Posted by: Chris Brown on January 22, 2006 at 8:36 AM | PERMALINK

For all the liberal talk about opposing torture, degrading, inhuman and threatening behavior....IT IS HOLLYWOODS STOCK IN TRADE.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW ANY ACTION-ADVENTUIRE WHERE THE GOOD GUYS DON'T WIN BY
TORTURING, DEGRADING, HUMILATING OR THREATENING THE BAD GUYS?

Must make a liberal cry......

Posted by: Patton on January 22, 2006 at 9:03 AM | PERMALINK

Definitely off topic!!

Folks may already be aware of this, but someone appears to be spoofing Kevin's email address to send copies of the W32.Blackmal.E@mm virus.

I received an email this morning with a subject of "Fw: Funny :)", three photos (none of which showed up for me), and an attachment named "Attachments00.HQX".

The return address was calpundit@cox.net.

Be careful out there.

Posted by: knobboy on January 22, 2006 at 9:37 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, Al (et al)...it's always "all about the sex"...you really have to wonder about the childhood of some of these trolls...the inability to see beyond their penis envy is palpable...don't give up guy/gals...you'll get yours one day...

Posted by: Dancer on January 22, 2006 at 9:48 AM | PERMALINK

Patton:

The last action flick I saw was King Authur (the 2004 version). My wife and I rented it last night.

Not bad - the good guys won in a fair fight, no torture etc.

Posted by: John on January 22, 2006 at 10:13 AM | PERMALINK

The Logan character is awesomely cynical. I love him. He's got all the worst aspects of Bush and Clinton together, with a mentally disturbed wife to boot. The lip bite thing he does...is just so damn Clinton. But then he's got the basic reasoning skills and imagination of GW.

Just a joy to watch.

Posted by: owenz on January 22, 2006 at 10:19 AM | PERMALINK

Am I the only one who watches for Chloe? Only Chloe could be so rude after a one-night stand with a hot guy.

Posted by: Wendy on January 22, 2006 at 10:30 AM | PERMALINK

"last throes"

Can hardly wait until the Repugs are down to their "last TBrosz".

Posted by: stupid git on January 22, 2006 at 10:35 AM | PERMALINK

ok. I give up. I watched both season intros and I don't the datamining references.

Posted by: chrisbrandow on January 22, 2006 at 10:38 AM | PERMALINK

I always assumed that President Palmer was a Democrat (given not just that he is (was!?) black, but other cues) and he lost to Keller. Ergo, Keller and Logan Republicans.

Posted by: Logan for Prez on January 22, 2006 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

Logan = Nixon.

The hair, the paranoia, the weasel-ness.

Posted by: mosimea on January 22, 2006 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK

yeah wendy, i agree. chloe is great. i haven't liked this show since the first season, though i keep trying it out for a few episodes before giving up on it, and chloe's neurotic huffing and puffing and fuming has been the only fun that i've seen.

Posted by: andrew on January 22, 2006 at 10:48 AM | PERMALINK

Mike Novick (Palmer's chief of staff) later became Keeler's, then Logan's chief of staff, right? This is the source of all of the confusion (probably intentional) about who belongs to which party.

Posted by: hari on January 22, 2006 at 10:48 AM | PERMALINK

Just what is the basis for saying Logan is a Republican? I've always assumed he was a Democrat, just because they've portrayed him as so worthless from the time he was introduced last season. It was suggested the previous year that Keeler was a Democrat (in fact, there was extensive discussion in the blogosphere of the fact that his campaign signs looked remarkably like Kerry's).

Palmer was definitely a Democrat. There was at least one time in the first season when either Sherri or Mike said something about what Palmer needed to do "for the good of the Democratic party." Keeler was definitely his general election opponent in the third season. Secretary of Defense's daughter was talking about how she was at a Heritage Foundation (iirc) event. It seems pretty clear that Palmer is a Democrat and that Keeler and Logan are Republicans. Although why Mike is now the Chief of Staff for a Republican president is hard to explain.

Posted by: John on January 22, 2006 at 10:50 AM | PERMALINK

And then Mike Novick would be David Gergen.

Posted by: mosimea on January 22, 2006 at 10:57 AM | PERMALINK

"WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW ANY ACTION-ADVENTUIRE WHERE THE GOOD GUYS DON'T WIN BY
TORTURING, DEGRADING, HUMILATING OR THREATENING THE BAD GUYS?

Must make a liberal cry......"

I don't know about that, Patton. Liberals degrade and humiliate you bad guys all the time here and I don't see them crying.

Posted by: Bob M on January 22, 2006 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

Watched ABC last nite, first time in many years, to catch the topical "Enemy of the State". Feel that these commercial channels are the bunghole of the country.

Posted by: bob h on January 22, 2006 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

In terms of details in 24, I am amused by the fake Faux News clips that run periodically. Is Faux the only channel those in power watch? Just wondering....

Posted by: jdt on January 22, 2006 at 11:57 AM | PERMALINK

I got the three photos from Kevin via e-mail too, but they opened fine. Just some more shots of him a Disney Gay Days.

Move On!

Posted by: Patton on January 22, 2006 at 12:04 PM | PERMALINK

Slavoj Zizek on "24" here
I've never watched it, but if this is accurate, what a sick society we are

Posted by: Chukuriuk on January 22, 2006 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

John Boy writes:

Patton:

""""The last action flick I saw was King Authur (the 2004 version). My wife and I rented it last night.

Not bad - the good guys won in a fair fight, no torture etc.""""

HAAAAA...WHAT A LAUGH. IF I REMEBER CORRECTLY DOESN'T ARTHUR TORTURE THE BAD GUYS IN A LAKE AND DROWN THEM TO DEATH - - HARDLY A FARE WAY TO PUT OMEONE TO DEATH...KIND OF LIKE WATERBOARDING.

IMAGINE HOW MUCH FEAR WENT THROUGH THEM WHEN THE ICE CRACKED...WITH NOT EVEN BEING READ THEIR RIGHTS OR GIVEN A CHANCE TO SURRENDER.

THAT WOULD BE LIKE OUR SOLDIERS DANGLING A GUY OUT A WINDOW, THE SAME KID OF FEAR THAT YOU WOULD SOON DIE.

And you call that fair??

I won't even get into the scantilly clad female soldier who clearly mocked and disrepected the emenies heritage and cultural beliefs

And I didn't see any help occuring for the wounded..left to bleed to death on the battlefield..ho revolting.


There's more of course, but you get the point.


Posted by: Patton on January 22, 2006 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Is that the same Arthur that walled the guys into the dungeon alive? Left to starve to death
in a underground hole with no food nor water?

Is that the fair fighting your talking about?

So if our guys locked Saddam and his henchmen up without food or water to starve to death...you would think it fair??

Posted by: Patton on January 22, 2006 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

"In seasons 1 and 2 we watched in order to find out just how comically farfetched the "Kim in peril" scenes could get."

Yeah. That's why we were watching for Kim. The comic farfetchedness, and nothing else. Uh huh.

Posted by: SE on January 22, 2006 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

"I stopped watching "24" after 9/11. It stressed me out too much, and I decided that more stress was something I did not need."

The show didn't even premiere until after 9/11.

Posted by: kormal on January 22, 2006 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK

I don't watch TV. My time is worth so much more than that drivel can provide. Books, live drama, and "A Prairie Home Companion" are the only ways to enjoy fiction while maintaining moral superiority. TV is for the great unwashed.

Did I mention that I don't watch TV?

Posted by: A-ro on January 22, 2006 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

Just some more shots of him a Disney Gay Days.

Funny how homophobes assume that inferring that some's gay is somehow offensive. To those of us who accept gay folk, what you've just said Patton is equivilent to saying "Just some more shots of him a Disney Tall People Days."

Who gives an eff? Says more about your crippled intellect than anything else.

Posted by: Bob on January 22, 2006 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

Come on people, 24 is a cartoon, its faced paced thrill drama, its the modern James Bond movie. People take things way too seriously.

Posted by: Jason on January 22, 2006 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

Come on people, 24 is a cartoon, its faced paced thrill drama, its the modern James Bond movie.

It's also shallow, sensationalistic and easily parodied. No offense, Kevin, I got bored with it ages ago.

Oh and the poor acting: Chloe's acting method seems to consist entirely of tilting her head down, looking up and frowning. In every friggin scene. If you hadn't noticed it already, you'll laugh every time you see her now.

Posted by: Bob on January 22, 2006 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Bob trouts out: """Funny how homophobes assume that inferring that some's gay is somehow offensive"""

Did I say they were offensive?? I don't think so...I was simply pointing out that Disney did not inform him that he would be visting at a time when they were throwing their annual buggery bash.

Why do you assume someone is gay because they attend gay days, when you know the great masses are not told by Disney when they make their reservations that they will be treated to more then Cinderalla.

Posted by: Patton on January 22, 2006 at 1:03 PM | PERMALINK

I believe I even suggested that you MOVE ON from the issue of Kevin at Gay Days, thus I couldn't have meant any offense.

So, your comments just dumb and ignorant Bobby

Posted by: Patton on January 22, 2006 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

And when I say buggery bash, I mean that in the sincerest way of the committed love of a enduring relationship of two or more consenting homosexuals.

As yes, there actually was a Buggery Bash at Gay Days, so its not like I'm making up the term like calling someone black person chocolate.

Posted by: Patton on January 22, 2006 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

I thought "Enemy of the State" was an interesting choice for a movie on ABC too. The NSA first tries to bribe, then blackmail, and eventually kills a senator for his vote on a telecommunications bill to spy on ordinary Americans. At the end there is another senator on Larry King saying that national security has to be balanced by civil liberties and that he doesn't want to be spied on in his own home.

The one part that made me snort coffee through my nose was when they mention Booby Woodward as if he is an investigative jounalist who would expose the NSA villians instead of helping them to cover it up.

Posted by: Donna on January 22, 2006 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

Her name's not Kim. It's Danger Prone Daphney. Scoooooby!

Posted by: Justin on January 22, 2006 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

Keep diggin, Patton, keep diggin.

Posted by: Bob on January 22, 2006 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

Pattycake must spend hours drooling over her collection of Ufa films of the late 30s and early 40s.

Posted by: stupid git on January 22, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

"basking in the utter worthlessness and steady emotional deterioration of republican president"....
and this differs from real life-how?
who needs fiction?

Posted by: daveminnj on January 22, 2006 at 1:32 PM | PERMALINK

Good to see Patton's not too obsessed with homosexuals, homosexuality, Clinton's dong, men sticking things in each other, etc. Not in the least bit suspicious at all.

Posted by: Pat on January 22, 2006 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

I second mosimea's comment, that Logan = Nixon. Watch the mannerisms, and oh those jowls.

Posted by: Lame Man on January 22, 2006 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

Gullible or Credulous?....You Make the Call
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_01/008008.php

But for Kevin Drums post, I would not have known about the market for college application essays. Thank you Kevin for putting the spotlight on the corruption of culture. And thank you Bess Kargman for raising it to Mr. Drums level of attention.

Mr. Drum frames his post as a question well not so much a question as a statement calling Bess Kargman not credible or gullible and painfully nave. He then acknowledges the mean-spirited way in which he frames the issue and lamely attempts to justify his judgment by labeling her op-ed a humdinger.

In the Kevin Drum court of opinion, you judge the messenger and ignore the substantive issue. In Kevin World, you are a liar or nave, in either case; you are the subject of his scorn and ridicule.

Mr. Drums post is mean-spirited. If he wanted act responsibly, he would contact Ms. Kargman (she left her email address in his comments section) and ask her questions about her experience. He would also apologize for his mean-spirited post. Equipped with enough information to make a fair and informed judgment, he could then post a blog entry about the issues she raised and her credibility or naivet.

What am I talking about? This is Keving Drum... Smear away!

Posted by: Neil Sagan on January 22, 2006 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

Kenji:

Tee-hee. He said sex.

Heh...you said "Tee-hee."

Oops. Looks like West Wing is going off the air, too. Now what?

For the record, I don't watch any network shows on a regular basis, so take any opinions I have, based on reviews and what my friends say, with a grain of salt. I tape "Smallville" for my wife and watch it with her, and watch "Adult Swim" with my son, and that's about it. We're all "Firefly" fans, but that's all on DVD now.

Posted by: tbrosz on January 22, 2006 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

I held my nose(watching FOX is the equivalent of shopping at Walmart) and tried to watch this show a few times. I could never get past all the technical mistakes in the script (cell phone use in the OPCEN) and the "Michael Moore fuzzy logic" remark coupled with the use of torture reminded me that I was supporting Chinese sweat shops - ahem - I mean Republican DoubleSpeak.

Posted by: farmerJack on January 22, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

24 started as all plot and no distinct characters. Then as time went by they started coming out. First the annoying Kim, President Palmer's evil wife (an actress who was on a Star Trek as a space ship captain), pouting (and at times gun-totin') Chloe, (many evil women it seems), to some extent Jack Bauer and the very Nixonian President Logan.

They've gone from nukes to torture to spying, so the topicality hasn't lagged, just the exaggerated presentation of everything happening in slow-motion during one 24-hour period. Remember how Jack could always get across L.A. in 5 minutes or less. Wow, what a fast car.

This evolution in the kind of show they're putting on might keep us entranced a while longer.

BTW, Jean Smart is a very good actress and her loony First Lady character might be the next great character we adore. I hear she keeps a tinfoil hat in her closet.

Posted by: MarkH on January 22, 2006 at 5:37 PM | PERMALINK

24 is great entertainment. I was very entertained by the season openers, and that's all I'm looking for from the show. It is very entertaining, but like most good entertainment or films you have to suspend your disbelief in order to get the most out of it. Like another mentioned, it's like a comic book show, and I don't look for anything from it but to be entertained and see some more outrageous action by Jack Bauer. Leave your realism and media criticism at the door if you want to actually enjoy the program and be entertained (which after all is the point).

Posted by: Jimm on January 22, 2006 at 6:22 PM | PERMALINK

Did I mention entertainment, and the quality of allowing oneself to be entertained? In this vein, 24 is one of the best. Maybe one of the best ever, in terms of action entertainment. It's shot and paced awesome, and far superior to anything else I've ever seen on TV short of the peak years of the X-Files when it went political (though I admit not to watching much TV at all, but I generally hear about great shows and make a point to give them a taste...I'm almost always disappointed, and never bother watching again, whereas 24 became instant DVD material in terms of catching up with prior seasons).

I'm a bit of a purist too...when I was first introduced to the show by a new roommate, the season was already 1/2 way through so I refused to watch any more episodes that season (wait for DVD) and instead starting getting DVD's from the 1st season on. Then, starting last season, I haven't missed an episode.

Posted by: Jimm on January 22, 2006 at 6:27 PM | PERMALINK

Last 5 shows on television I can remember really loving: X-Files, The Sopranos, Band of Brothers, 24, and Sleeper Cell.

Posted by: Jimm on January 22, 2006 at 6:29 PM | PERMALINK

Good news for GOP: 24's ratings are way up.

More good news for GOP: West Wing has been cancelled.

Even better news for GOP: Geena Davis's show about a woman president is dropping in the ratings.

Posted by: GOPGregory on January 22, 2006 at 8:32 PM | PERMALINK

and the "Michael Moore fuzzy logic" remark

Off topic, but: does anyone know whether the data mining techniques the NSA is using to select the international phone calls for their controversial non-FISA-approved warrantless monitoring program are likely to employ fuzzy logic? It seems extremely probable.

Posted by: brooksfoe on January 22, 2006 at 10:12 PM | PERMALINK

Derek is the new Kim.

Enjoyed the episodes, but they better not have Derek get in peril any more. The weakest moments of the first two seasons were the dim blonde Kim getting in peril and jeopardizing Jack. This time we get the dim blond Derek. Jettison him now. (Also, why is Jack sending the Derek and his mom to CTU? Not exactly the safest place to be. It reminded me of how Scully and Mulder kept posting two easily defeated FBI agents by the hospital door of that week's character who was the key to everything).

Read more at:
http://solipsisticblog.blogspot.com/

Posted by: R James on January 22, 2006 at 10:53 PM | PERMALINK

Fictional television generally today is some kind of horrible (and the "reality" stuff even worse). There is I think increasingly less about contemporary life worth dramatizing.

A generation ago, even bad TV was not infrequently charismatic; it had star power.

And there is just nothing about the so-called war on terror worthy turning into spy fiction, nothing worthy of Le Carre or Graham Greene (at their best). Maybe some smart producer will come along and realize all this, indulging my taste for Cold War nostalgia - a good CIA cum MI 6 v KGB drama, full of beautiful femme fatales, with all of civilization at stake. It would be filmed all over Europe, and have lots of sub-titles. If it's any good, maybe it could be like MASH and run for ninety years.

Posted by: The Blue Nomad on January 22, 2006 at 11:11 PM | PERMALINK

Just how much of dink will they make him into?

He will go on camera to read "My Pet Goat". Unlike the real president, however, he will hold the book right side up.

Posted by: buck turgidson on January 23, 2006 at 12:20 AM | PERMALINK

obPedant: Palmer wasn't defeated; he chose not to stand for re-election in the middle of the campaign (season 3), essentially handing the White House to Keeler. So Keeler and Logan are most definitely Republicans.

Posted by: ahem on January 23, 2006 at 1:04 AM | PERMALINK

24 is hardly a boon for the GOP. Several of the torture sequences were framed as being downright wrong, on the one hand, and overall the show thumbs its nose at authority so obviously, it cannot help the authoritarian conservative cause.

The chief message of 24 is to question authority and realize that politics brings the evil out of people. It does not inculcate passive ideology...the show is actually quite subversive. The focus on torture is overdone.

Posted by: Jimm on January 23, 2006 at 1:18 AM | PERMALINK

Even better news for GOP: Geena Davis's show about a woman president is dropping in the ratings.

Yeah, if it gets any more unpopular, it might almost be as unpopular as George W. Bush and the Republican Party!

Posted by: tam1MI on January 23, 2006 at 1:46 AM | PERMALINK

Each week I watch hoping Edgar will get killed.

Patton how do you manage to watch so much television when you busy fighting the Islamofacists in the Middle East?

Posted by: Bradley on January 23, 2006 at 2:01 AM | PERMALINK

Palmer wasn't defeated; he chose not to stand for re-election in the middle of the campaign (season 3), essentially handing the White House to Keeler. So Keeler and Logan are most definitely Republicans.

Posted by: ahem on January 23, 2006 at 1:04 AM | PERMALINK

But Palmer approved of torture so that would make him Republican making Keeler & Logan Democrat.

So its right. The ruthless bastard who does a better job= Republican. The ethical wimp who
kvetches and betrays his own coutnry for political convenience= Democrat.

Besides, Republicans have more senior African American figures. First Black NSA = Republican. First Black SecState = Republican....

Posted by: McA on January 23, 2006 at 2:10 AM | PERMALINK

I believe it was mentioned in once and only once in Season One that Palmer was running the Democratic Primary which would make Keeler and then Logan Republicans (though I think Logan is modeled after Kerry, personally). For the most part, 24 seems to be following the convention of most action movies and not mentioning political parties of politicians so as not to isolate half the audience.

Posted by: Frank J. on January 23, 2006 at 8:50 AM | PERMALINK

[quote]I stopped watching "24" after 9/11. It stressed me out too much, and I decided that more stress was something I did not need.

I don't regret my decision.

Posted by: fiat lux on January 22, 2006 at 2:36 AM[/quote]

The first episode of 24 wasn't even shown until after 9/11.

Posted by: michael on January 23, 2006 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK

I've only seen the first season, and I loved it at first, but it started losing me a little in the middle (around the time of the soap-opera-special amnesia episode). But it got better again. I need to watch something while I exercise, so I'm always looking for TV on DVD.

If you want to see a really great action show (with lots of humor sprinkled in), rent Firefly. Band of Brothers is also great.

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