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February 2, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

VOTING THE GOP WAY....From Roll Call:

House Republicans are taking a mulligan on the first ballot for Majority Leader. The first count showed more votes cast than Republicans present at the Conference meeting.

Insert your own joke here. I can't decide which one to use. Via Shakespeare's Sister.

UPDATE: Apparently they've now decided that John Boehner won.

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They'd be better off with that Mulligan guy.

Posted by: tomeck on February 2, 2006 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

Did Diebold do the tally?

Posted by: adios on February 2, 2006 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK

(Insert obligatory Diebold joke here)

Posted by: PetervE on February 2, 2006 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK

Old habits die hard.

Posted by: Robert Earle on February 2, 2006 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

Diebold adds votes to GOP candidates, when all the candidates are GOP, weird things happen.

Posted by: clone12 on February 2, 2006 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

I am nothing if not obligatory.

Posted by: adios on February 2, 2006 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

Time for a snarky post Drum.

The unanimous righty blogosphere only got 30% of House Repubs to vote for Shadegg in an internal election, whereas the lefty blogosphere delivered 25% of Senate Democrats for an Alito filibuster, a far more formidable task.

Who's got the influence now...bitch.

Posted by: Martin on February 2, 2006 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, it worked in Florida and Ohio...

Posted by: An Interested Party on February 2, 2006 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

Ah yes, that's right...what about all those good Christian soldiers who were so excited about Shadegg?

Posted by: An Interested Party on February 2, 2006 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

Paxlov...bell...saliva.

Posted by: Robert Earle on February 2, 2006 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

Did they not use the Iraqi purple-thumb model?

I guess that would have proved once and for all that the GOP is all thumbs.

Posted by: The Confidence Man on February 2, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

What's your point, Kevin? At least they didn't purge all the voters who would have voted the "wrong" way.

"Hey, their name *sounded* like a criminal's!"

Posted by: Gore/Obama '08 on February 2, 2006 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

Excuse me-the lefty blogs got over 50% of the Senate Dems (25 votes).

Posted by: Martin Morgan on February 2, 2006 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

Where was Jimmy Carter when you need him?

Posted by: RogerL on February 2, 2006 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

I guess the taverns are open early today to mark the impending Democrat disaster in November.

Posted by: tbrosz on February 2, 2006 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, we need the UN to supervise this voting.

On second thought, never mind - it's clear the outcome would be criminal liar, no matter what.

Posted by: craigie on February 2, 2006 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

Insert the Stalin quote here regarding the counting of votes.

Posted by: lib on February 2, 2006 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK

why didn't the Fatah party think of this?


Posted by: thisspaceavailable on February 2, 2006 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK

This is what happens when Congresscritters vote both as men and as beasts. Bush was right to be concerned about these human-animal hybrids.

Posted by: shortstop on February 2, 2006 at 2:39 PM | PERMALINK

Did DeLay get any write-in votes?

Posted by: craigie on February 2, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

they came to a fork in the road and took it
THE CATCHER

Posted by: THE CATCHER on February 2, 2006 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

Republican majority rule is just like the old Soviet system - morally bankrupt, fiscally bankrupt and rotten to the core.....

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on February 2, 2006 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

OK, now someone has to tell us how to pronounce "Boehner."

BOner?
BAYner?
BEENer?
BoNAY?

Posted by: ColoZ on February 2, 2006 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

It was clearly dead Democrats phoning in votes from Chicago.

Posted by: conspiracy nut on February 2, 2006 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

OK, now someone has to tell us how to pronounce "Boehner."

BOner?

Yeah, let's go with that one.

Posted by: Ringo on February 2, 2006 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

Let's work to get the press to pronounce this jerks 's name phonetically.

Posted by: Mark on February 2, 2006 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

Let's work to get the press to pronounce this jerks 's name phonetically.

If they're dumb enough to use "Democrat" as an adjective, it shouldn't be too hard.

...did I just make a pun?

Posted by: Ringo on February 2, 2006 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

Ringo, Ringo, Ringo.

That was fun-ee.

Posted by: shortstop on February 2, 2006 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK

'Course, if there were any Black Members of Congress, you can bet that they'd have mysteriously ended up a couple votes short...

Posted by: theorajones on February 2, 2006 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK

YARGH, that should have read "Black Republicans in Congress," dangnabbit...

Posted by: theorajones on February 2, 2006 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

YARGH, that should have read "Black Republicans in Congress," dangnabbit...

oops. looks like you made a real boner, there.

Posted by: cleek on February 2, 2006 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

This proves once and for all that it's high time for the US to invade the House Republican Caucus to establish a representative democracy.

Posted by: Stefan on February 2, 2006 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

First it was Dick Armey, now John Boehner. Is there something missing in Republicans that causes them to be so subliminally attracted to men with overtly phallic names?

(And don't even get me started on Bush and Dick Cheney....)

Posted by: Stefan on February 2, 2006 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

'It was clearly dead Democrats phoning in votes from Chicago'
--cnut

Weak.

I'm sure the neofascist wing of the GOP would have brought in paid thugs to harrass the vote counters, like they did in Miami Beach in 2000...

They really hate democracy.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on February 2, 2006 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

The press is now saying the first ballot was official. Who was supervising this election, Congress woman Katherine Harris?

Posted by: James on February 2, 2006 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

On a somewhat serious note, I wonder how many bills that were voted on actually got the number of votes reported.

Can we take a mulligan on the last five years?

Posted by: Dr. Morpheus on February 2, 2006 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

They could have had a Flake - Or,Shadegg of Your Smile said yesterday that Congress either does nothing or overreacts by trying to limit lobbyists - Jim Ryun tried to go the extra mile to gain the position, but fell out after 3 laps. So they are left with a Boner.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 2, 2006 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Mr Bush told the Mr Blair that the US was so worried about the failure to find hard evidence against Saddam that it thought of "flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft planes with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours". Mr Bush added: "If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach [of UN resolutions]".

The above is from a leaked British memo reported by the Guardian. Take it for what it is, proof that Bush doesn't trust the American public.

Posted by: greg wirth on February 2, 2006 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

What the hell, only Dems are allowed to vote from beyond the grave!

I suggest the Democratic Party sue for patent infringement.

Posted by: TallDave on February 2, 2006 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

Stefan,

To be fair, Dick Sweatt is a New Hampshire Democrat. Of course, he lost his last election....

The ultimate GOP candidate: Ramrod P. Strait

Posted by: n.o.l.t.f. on February 2, 2006 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK

Forgotten up thread was the one who was too Blunt about wanting the position.

Funny thing about Blair - Looks as though he is starting to believe in Global Warming - His Master will not be amused.

Posted by: stupid git on February 2, 2006 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

This proves once and for all that it's high time for the US to invade the House Republican Caucus to establish a representative democracy.

Sorry. No brown people in that caucus, no invasion. Rules are rules.

Actually, could that explain the overcount? Does the HRC counts its lily-white membership at 1 2/3 votes each? Or are the people too dumb to add up a deficit just incapable of totting up a simple floor vote?

Posted by: shortstop on February 2, 2006 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

OT: How about that Alito voting that death by injection is cruel and unusual punishment?

Some on the right must've been choking on their Cornflakes this morning when they heard that!

Posted by: bob on February 2, 2006 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

No lie, bob. But Roberts trotted out after Scalia and Thomas like a real team player, didn't he?

Posted by: shortstop on February 2, 2006 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

The ultimate GOP candidate: Ramrod P. Strait

the ghost of Buck Turgidson would make a surprise primary challenge.

Posted by: cleek on February 2, 2006 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

More proof the right is playing games with vote tallies. TOLD YOU SO.

Posted by: GOP liar on February 2, 2006 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

To be fair, Dick Sweatt is a New Hampshire Democrat. Of course, he lost his last election....

When I was in college in New England in the 80s "Dick Sweatt" posters were up all over people's wall and windows.

Posted by: Stefan on February 2, 2006 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

Heh. You guys are goofy.

I wanted Shadegg to win, though. When I first saw his name, I thought he was some rapper.

Posted by: Frank J. on February 2, 2006 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

Darn! I was pulling for the creep with the crescent-shaped eyebrows as in Crescent=Muslims.

However, a leader whose name comes out as Boner can't be all bad.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr on February 2, 2006 at 4:10 PM | PERMALINK

Shadegg was the least corrupt, but: It is very interesting and telling that insider-operator-DeLay proteg Blunt did not make it.

Posted by: Neil' on February 2, 2006 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

mr. shortstop and I were on a stretch when every flight we took was piloted by someone phallically named: Dick Johnson, John Thomas, and I forget everyone else except our favorite, Dick Trojan. It got so we couldn't even look at each other when the pilot came on to introduce himself.

Posted by: shortstop on February 2, 2006 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

Drudge has an article by Peggy Noonan,She seems to think Howard Dean is the leader of the dem party,How do you righies get everythung so mixed up.It's no wonder everthing you guys do turns into sh#t.

Posted by: GOP liar on February 2, 2006 at 4:15 PM | PERMALINK

As I posted to Shakespeare's Sister:
This is sad yet cute, but: it would be interesting and telling to know their mechanics of vote counting. Does anyone here? For example, a properly programmed machine would of course not produce such a result. Wouldn't those in charge of counting realize this overcount and it's being known if it was going to happen? Why didn't they care?

Posted by: Neil' on February 2, 2006 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

offtopic: news about Iraq reconstruction, a focus on electricity:

http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/print/2831

Posted by: contentious on February 2, 2006 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

OT, but about the look of the site: not very many TrackBacks lately: why?

Posted by: Neil' on February 2, 2006 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

She seems to think Howard Dean is the leader of the dem party
Ya, everybody knows the real leader is Kos. Dean is just the Chairman of the Democratic Party, you guys just keep him around for laughs.

Posted by: conspiracy nut on February 2, 2006 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK
OT: How about that Alito voting that death by injection is cruel and unusual punishment?


Heh. The Right wanted someone who could throw up a smokescreen and get on the bench as a stealthy pro-life radical.

Who knew they'd get just that?

But, CNN is stretching the definition of "liberal and moderate" when it reports that Alito "joined with five other liberal and moderate justices" in the vote. Alito and Kennedy are conservatives, by any reasonable definition. There aren't five liberal and moderate justices, and claiming that there are six, including Alito, is just bizarre.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 2, 2006 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK

You can't top Anil Dikshit. A real name.

Posted by: nut on February 2, 2006 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK

How about that Alito voting that death by injection is cruel and unusual punishment?
Not quite what happened, but facts aren't too important here anyway...

Posted by: conspiracy nut on February 2, 2006 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

Check out the Washington Post, they call the first vote "inconclusive" and make no mention of the extra votes. Bulls***!!!!

Posted by: cecilia on February 2, 2006 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

Oh CN you don't have a clue either Howard Dean is the Chairman of the DNC that's Democratic National Committee. Big Big Diffrence.But then i don't expect you to understand anything that isn't a game on X-box

Posted by: GOP liar on February 2, 2006 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, CN, I'll happily admit that I may have not gotten the details right - feel free to straighten me out - that is what little I read seem to say tho.

However, what I do know is that he definitely did break with the other conservative judges and that he definitely DID vote to stay an execution.

I'm sure that's enough to have quite a few right-wingers choking on their cornflakes, but if you'd like to throw further light on the subject, please feel free.

Posted by: bob on February 2, 2006 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINK

Ann Coutier must be having a fit.

Posted by: GOP liar on February 2, 2006 at 4:48 PM | PERMALINK

I heard that Alito was calling for amnesty for all illegal immigrants till 2010 open borders. Viva Alito!!!

Posted by: Neo on February 2, 2006 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

Hmm, there does seem to be some conflict in what The Scream's title is, on the website titled The Democratic Party Dean is listed under "Chairman", but then they do say he is the "Chairman of the Democratic National Committee". Then on this page we find the following:

"As Chairman of the Democratic Party, I guarantee you that we will hold ourselves accountable," said Dean.
In any event, as I said, Kos is in charge now. So Dean's actual title is irrelevant, so I'll happily call him the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

Posted by: conspiracy nut on February 2, 2006 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK

I'm sure that's enough to have quite a few right-wingers choking on their cornflakes
Oh probably, but the details I saw weren't enough to say one way or the other (he voted to stay execution pending outcome of the inmates "lethal injection is cruel and unusual" action). First, there is merit in allowing the action to procede, second there may be state's rights issues involved, third this may have been some narrow technicality. No reason to jump and down that I know of.

Posted by: conspiracy nut on February 2, 2006 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK
Oh CN you don't have a clue either Howard Dean is the Chairman of the DNC that's Democratic National Committee. Big Big Diffrence.

Er, no. The DNC is the national organization of the Democratic Party. Being DNC chair is exactly the same as being head of the Party.

(Now, there is a big difference, that people all-too-often miss, between the DNC and the DLC, the latter being the national organization of Democratic surrendrism, though that wasn't always the case.)

Posted by: cmdicely on February 2, 2006 at 5:06 PM | PERMALINK

I guess, vote-wise they found a way to make the pie higher. (see Bushisms)

Posted by: Poindexter on February 2, 2006 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

Good ,Just to go one step futher The people elect Canidates to the party,We the people do not elect who chairs the committee.Just as Ken Melman is not the leader of the republican party.Howard Dean cannot vote on bills.Therefore he is not part of the Dem Party.OK understand now.

Posted by: GOP liar on February 2, 2006 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

No reason to jump and down that I know of.

No jumping up and down to be seen here; just tickled my irony bone.

Now, if there's ever, say, a case over RU-486 and he comes down in favor of it, *then* there'll be jumping up and down - and hysterical panic on the far right. Not that that would ever happen.

Posted by: bob on February 2, 2006 at 5:12 PM | PERMALINK

Wasn't Boehner the one who was passing out checks from lobbyists on the House floor?

The Dems should blast-fax a reminder about that to every journalist alive. And then mention it every time they get on TV over the next week.

Posted by: RT on February 2, 2006 at 5:13 PM | PERMALINK

bob
You forget, us righties have already endured the results of one David Hackett Souter.

Posted by: conspiracy nut on February 2, 2006 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

The unanimous righty blogosphere only got 30% of House Repubs to vote for Shadegg in an internal election, whereas the lefty blogosphere delivered 25% of Senate Democrats for an Alito filibuster, a far more formidable task.

No, the lefty blogsphere got 25% of the entire Senate, and 57% of Senate Democrats (25/44), to support the filibuster.

Posted by: RT on February 2, 2006 at 5:18 PM | PERMALINK

Er no Democratic National Committee there is no P for Party. Sorry nice try though. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi Hold those postions.

Posted by: GOP liar on February 2, 2006 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK

You forget, us righties have already endured the results of one David Hackett Souter.

Good point. Fair enough! :)

Posted by: bob on February 2, 2006 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK

The Hammer has been replaced by, er, The Club.

Posted by: kostya on February 2, 2006 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK

The absentee House Republicans obviously sent their absentee ballots for Majority Leader by same-day courier--or was it next-day courier(?). Perfectly legitimate--for them.

Posted by: Jesse A. Weissman on February 2, 2006 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK

BYE BYE Hammer see ya.

Posted by: GOP liar on February 2, 2006 at 5:27 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum's first post on the election of DeLay's replacement tells you everything you need to know about Kevin Drum: negative, snarky, always ready for a below-the-belt punch even when it is not justified.

Instapundit and PowerLineBlog have good info and links, without the bitterness of Drum. Hugh Hewitt posts a brief interview he did with Boehner recently, asking him about his ties to Abramoff and his views of pork spending.

Posted by: GOPGregory on February 2, 2006 at 5:34 PM | PERMALINK
Er no Democratic National Committee there is no P for Party. Sorry nice try though. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi Hold those postions.

Sorry, but no, legislative caucus leaders are not the leaders of the national party, they are the leader of their respective legislative caucuses.

The DNC is the formal governing body of the Democratic Party, and its head is, therefore, the formal operating chief of the party. (By tradition, though, not the ceremonial head of the party when the party holds the White House, when the President of the United States is also the head of the party. But that really is an irrelevant concern for the moment with regard to the Democratic Party.)

Posted by: cmdicely on February 2, 2006 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK

Got I hope your pronounce it Bonner!

Posted by: the fake Fake Al on February 2, 2006 at 5:40 PM | PERMALINK

or is the johnson Bonner, ba, ha ha ha ha. Need a napkin for my keyboard.

Posted by: the fake Fake Al on February 2, 2006 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK

How do ya pronounce Boehner?

Tobaccybuttboy.

Posted by: Vinnie on February 2, 2006 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

..negative, snarky, always ready for a below-the-belt punch..

Kevin must be shooting for a position on the Fox News or the RNC.

Posted by: lib on February 2, 2006 at 5:51 PM | PERMALINK

Wow You blurr linse just like a righty.How many bills has Howard Dean voted on since he took office.

Posted by: GOP liar on February 2, 2006 at 6:10 PM | PERMALINK

Seems to be a hot topic, so I thought I'd help

Man, ain't the web wonderful?

Posted by: conspiracy nut on February 2, 2006 at 6:15 PM | PERMALINK

Forget whatever rules you were taught about how the diphthong OE (actually O umlaut) is pronounced in German. Boehner pronounces his name BAYner. The first syllable is the same as the body of water.

Posted by: Vadranor on February 2, 2006 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK

Vadranor,

So he wants it to be BAY, as in PAY, as in "Pay me the money" when he speaks to lobbyists. Well, it matters not, how one pronounces his name; a whore is a whore is a whore.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 2, 2006 at 6:59 PM | PERMALINK

Too funny Kevin. Did that actually happen (extra votes) or was it just a joke?

Posted by: MarkH on February 2, 2006 at 7:00 PM | PERMALINK

on another site someone notes that the Puerto Rican delegate is allowed to vote for leadership elections but not general votes. so he sat there and voted but they didn't include him the attendence count. hence the mix-up. this turns out to be the one election in which the GOP *didn't* cheat

Posted by: SkippyFlipjack on February 2, 2006 at 7:08 PM | PERMALINK

Wasn't Boehner the one who was passing out checks from lobbyists on the House floor?

The Dems should blast-fax a reminder about that to every journalist alive. And then mention it every time they get on TV over the next week.

Posted by: RT on February 2, 2006 at 5:13 PM

RT et al will be pleased to know that the check pass-out was duly noted on NBC News tonight. They did give Boehner credit for being harder against pork/earmarks - so, is he at least better than Blunt? And, did the rightie blogosphere really support Shadegg? If so, are they then really more committed to reform than the Republicans as a party?

Posted by: Neil' on February 2, 2006 at 7:46 PM | PERMALINK

Neil,

However, Ed Henry of CNN, formerly of Roll Call, failed to mention the checks.
CNN is rapidly becoming FAUX-Lite and many of them are auditioning daily for a move to FAUX.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 2, 2006 at 8:23 PM | PERMALINK

Just a little inside the beltway gossip--I heard that Congressman Boner gave his wife a pearl necklace for Christmas.
I think that's nice.

Posted by: haha on February 2, 2006 at 8:43 PM | PERMALINK

When I heard of that extra vote, thought Henry Cuellar ran across the aisle again to vote with the Repugs - There is the cutest, most precious, photo of him over at HuffPo showing Bush squeezing his cheeks following the SOTO speech. Maybe Twig was out at that party in the Streets of Laredo with Cuellar and the guys and they became close friends.

Be a great shot for Cuellar's reelection.
As a "Dem", Cuellar sat on the Repug side for the speech.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 2, 2006 at 11:38 PM | PERMALINK

Voting is un-Islamic.

Posted by: Mo on February 3, 2006 at 9:46 AM | PERMALINK

Instapundit and PowerLineBlog have good info

My vote for most unintentionally hilarious post of this thread.

Posted by: Gregory on February 3, 2006 at 9:54 AM | PERMALINK

I saw nothing in the MSM about the overvotes on the first ballot. Not one outlet picked it up. Was it true? Did no one get 50% on the first vote? All the media says is that Shadegg was eliminated after the first vote and some of his voters went for Boehner.

Posted by: ckelly on February 3, 2006 at 10:28 AM | PERMALINK

Employers stepped up hiring in January, boosting payrolls by 193,000 and lowering the nation's unemployment rate to 4.7 percent, the lowest since July 2001.

The fresh snapshot of the jobs climate, released by the Labor Department on Friday, suggested that the economy started the new year on fairly good footing.

Pelosi and Reid couldn't use 6.3% unemployment. What will they do with 4.3%?

Posted by: rdw on February 3, 2006 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

In other news yesterday, the US Department of Labor announced that productivity fell 0.6% and that labor costs were increasing at a rate of 3.5%. The DOW was not amused.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 3, 2006 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK

While Dean sleeps

2006 Wisconsin Governor Race


The same poll also shows a tight race for Governor next year. I have argued, even during the 2004 Presidential campaign, that the key to establishing a GOP lock in the United States is to detach Minnesota, Iowa, and Wisconsin, with their 27 electoral votes, from the Democratic column. Right now, it appears that the GOP incumbent will win re-election in Minnesota and that the Republican candidates in Iowa and Wisconsin have an excellent shot of winning.

Posted by: rdw on February 3, 2006 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

Instapundit and PowerLineBlog have good info

My vote for most unintentionally hilarious post of this thread.

Still have bad memories of those two bringing down Dan Rather and ending the TANG story?

Posted by: rdw on February 3, 2006 at 12:04 PM | PERMALINK

3rd Paul,

Let's hear Nancy run on labor productivity. That'll grab em!

BTW: The folks are JP Morgan are also forecasting continued economic strength at a remarkably balanced pace thru 2007. About that 4.3% unemployment rate predicted for November of 2006. How does 3.3% sound for November of 2008?

Is it the economy stupid?

Posted by: rdw on February 3, 2006 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

John Podhoretz reviews all the bad press that Hillary has gotten recently and the possibility that she still wouldnt get the nomination in 2008.

Hillary in trouble? You should have such trouble.

In survey after survey, she is running 20 to 30 points ahead of all other Democrats when it comes to asking whom they will support in 2008. She has already raised $10 million for her Senate run this year without even trying. Since she'll clearly have no credible competition, she won't have to spend much of that $10 million or the $70 to $80 million that may follow it by the time the November election rolls around.
Every cent she doesn't spend in her Senate re-election campaign will go straight into her Hillary-for-president coffers. Which means she will begin the primary cycle as much as $100 million ahead of any other Democrat.

And nothing could make her journey to the nomination easier than getting into trouble now with the right and with centrist Democrats. The Netroots will rally to her side for that alone, and there will be no room for any Democrat to challenge her.

Don't buy the hype about former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner. He's being graded on a curve because half the Washington press corps lives in Virginia and knows him. He's a possibility for vice president, and that's about it.

Perhaps, Ill be eating my words in 2008, but the GOP are probably praying that Podhoretz is correct. Running against an unlikable, strident Hillary would be a lot better than writing the recently beatified Mark Warner.

Posted by: rdw on February 3, 2006 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

Great stuff from JPMorgan - However, RacePick.com likes the Four horse in the 3rd at Philadelphia Park. Still time to make a PhoneBet.

Keep those tout sheets a'comin' Witless.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 3, 2006 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK
In survey after survey, she is running 20 to 30 points ahead of all other Democrats when it comes to asking whom they will support in 2008.

More than 2 years before the first primary, who cares? At this point in 2002, Joe Lieberman was the leading 2004 candidate in most polls, as I recall.

You might as well be polling about the 2064 election for all the meaning you get out of 2008 election polls now.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 3, 2006 at 5:45 PM | PERMALINK

More than 2 years before the first primary, who cares? At this point in 2002, Joe Lieberman was the leading 2004 candidate in most polls, as I recall.

I'm not so sure Joe was even running at this point. He had agreed he's not run agsins AL. I don't think Joe was ever high in the polls.

might as well be polling about the 2064 election for all the meaning you get out of 2008 election polls now.

In most cases I'd agree. But Hillary is unique. She's absolutely running. She is without question the 2nd best fund raiser in the party and is married to the best. She has money coming out of her ears and global name recognition. No one in your party can approach her assets. Warner, Biden, Kerry, Richardson, etc. will be fighting for crumbs.

Posted by: rdw on February 3, 2006 at 7:42 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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