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February 15, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

IN THE BUNKER....After taking stock of the Bush administration's record over the past few months, David Ignatius is able to come to only one conclusion:

Bush and Cheney are in the bunker. That's the only way I can make sense of their actions. They are steaming in a broth of daily intelligence reports that highlight the grim terrorist threats facing America. They have sworn blood oaths that they will defend the United States from its adversaries no matter what. They have blown past the usual rules and restraints into territory where few presidents have ventured a region where the president conducts warrantless wiretaps against Americans in violation of a federal statute, where he authorizes harsh interrogation methods that amount to torture.

When critics question the legality of the administration's actions, Bush and Cheney assert the commander in chief's power under Article II of the Constitution. When Congress passes a law forbidding torture, the White House appends a signing statement insisting that Article II the power of the commander in chief trumps everything else. When the administration's Republican friends suggest amending the wiretapping law to make its program legal, the administration refuses. Let's say it plainly: This is the arrogance of power, and it has gone too far in the Bush White House.

It's downright Nixonian, and even in the mainstream media more and more people are starting to notice.

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WHAT'S MY NAME, BITCH!?!?

Posted by: IOKIYAR on February 15, 2006 at 12:09 AM | PERMALINK

...even in the mainstream media more and more people are starting to notice.

Which is why it's so fascinating to watch the wild-eyed believers hanging on for dear life. It's not even maddening anymore; it's like we're clinically detached observers at Bellevue.

Posted by: shortstop on February 15, 2006 at 12:11 AM | PERMALINK

Ignatius is only right if you ignore the part about "broth of daily intelligence reports" and "sworn blood oaths that they will defend the United States."

They're not doing it to defend America. They're doing it because they love power, and because they can.

Posted by: Swopa on February 15, 2006 at 12:12 AM | PERMALINK

Unfortunately, there is no Goldwater or Howard Baker to go the White House bearing bad news.

No end in sight to the shenanigans of these guys.

Posted by: lib on February 15, 2006 at 12:12 AM | PERMALINK

It really doesn't matter Kevin, we lost. I am hopeful that I will not have to spend too much time in the reeducation camps.

Why do you guys hate bush so much? With you guys, it's always chimpy mcbushitler. you guys are just haters. except for trees, oh, those you love.

See, it's really not that hard.

It has taken me forty four years, O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! It is all right, everything is all right, the struggle is finished. I have won the victory over myself. I love George W. Bush!

Posted by: jerry on February 15, 2006 at 12:16 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, it's terrible. At this rate in a few more years our civil society may sink to the level of, um, Britain or Holland. http://www.slate.com/id/2136147/

Posted by: Capppie on February 15, 2006 at 12:18 AM | PERMALINK

... and even in the mainstream media more and more people are starting to notice.

A picture perfect left-handed compliment.

Posted by: koreyel on February 15, 2006 at 12:20 AM | PERMALINK

What a load of horseshit. All of the post-9/11 pathologies of this Administration were evident well before any planes hit any buildings. Is that a serious theory: that, absent the scourge of terrorism, Bush-Cheney would be a paragon of global cooperation, civil liberties, human rights, and environmental responsibility? Pull the other one.

Posted by: adios on February 15, 2006 at 12:23 AM | PERMALINK

At this rate in a few more years our civil society may sink to the level of, um, Britain or Holland.

You know, the wiretaps and email surveillance really aren't the worst of it. The worst of it is the long-term detention without charges and torture of people who mainly seem to have been innocent of any connection to Al-Qaeda, or terrorism of any kind. But it has proven almost impossible to motivate the American public to view the imprisonment of these innocent people as a scandal, because they are almost all foreign, and even the American ones have dark skin and funny names. White Americans don't understand that it could have been them. Email surveillance, though, is something Americans do take personally, and since the extra-FISA monitoring was illegal, that's the scandal we're now running with.

Posted by: brooksfoe on February 15, 2006 at 12:26 AM | PERMALINK

WaPo headline: Man shot by Cheny has cardiac event.

Perhaps it could be better said as 'Man who has pellets from Cheney's gun has his heart fluttering with emotion'. That would serve the purpose of the headline better. Not Cheney's fault. In any case no harm done.

Posted by: lib on February 15, 2006 at 12:39 AM | PERMALINK

Please forgive me...

Breaking News: Message from Elmohammed

Posted by: elmo on February 15, 2006 at 12:42 AM | PERMALINK

The sheeple don't seem to care much.

Posted by: Myron on February 15, 2006 at 12:49 AM | PERMALINK

But it has proven almost impossible to motivate the American public to view the imprisonment of these innocent people as a scandal, because they are almost all foreign, and even the American ones have dark skin and funny names.

The reason it's impossible to motivate the American public in the manner you describe is that, unlike with you, there is no presumption of nefarious motives on the part of the administration. Rather the public presumes that, just like with the imprisonment of Nazis during World War II, the government has a duty to deal harshly with the country's sworn enemies. The public understandably simply doesn't see anything wrong with locking up people plotting to kill their children. It is certainly not Washington's fault that this war is likely to last a lot longer than the war against Hitler, and so, unlike the SS corporal who spent two or three years in Colorado, the Al Qaeda operative from Egypt may end up spending 35 years at Gitmo.

Posted by: Capppie on February 15, 2006 at 12:51 AM | PERMALINK

Cappie, you have admirably summed up the mindset that will destroy this country. In the name of "safety," we abdicate everything we believe in.

Apparently, a couple of generations of food and TV have made Americans the biggest babies ever known. That, coupled with a "we're all heroes" belief system, is going to cause the whole place to go mental. If it hasn't already.

Posted by: craigie on February 15, 2006 at 1:00 AM | PERMALINK

It was startling to me that people took Bush seriously during his first year of bumbling and dissembling, that they bought the whole post-9/11 "war president" act, and that they rewarded him for the Iraq war cluster-fuck by reelecting him. If we are unwilling to hold our leaders accountable, what good is democracy?

Posted by: Beale on February 15, 2006 at 1:02 AM | PERMALINK

The excuse for....fascism?...must always be security. If a liberal were to propose added seat belt protections in cars, the right wing would howl in outrage. Yes, around 42,000 die yearly in car accidents, but! The Free Market above all. Yet they hardly blink to spend hundreds of billions against a ragtag band of terrorists. We cripple ourselves in manifold ways: airport screening, security checkpoints, alerts and lockdowns. And now warrantless searches. There is no end to the frightening scenarios that hysterical partisans can conjure. We might as well simply give up this experiment in self-governance and let the Pavlovians take over. They won fair and square.

Posted by: walt on February 15, 2006 at 1:03 AM | PERMALINK

When you've lost David Ignatius, you've lost America.

Posted by: Calling All Toasters on February 15, 2006 at 1:07 AM | PERMALINK

TOTALLY DEMAGOGIC, REVERSE-ROVIAN DNC AD:

{slo-mo shot of plane crashing into WTC}

Voicover: Four years ago, America was dealt a devastating blow by our
most implacable enemies ...

{shot of jihad types rallying and burning American flag}

George Bush, our Commander-in-Chief, rallied our country in
a shared sense of purpose ...

{shot of W at Ground Zero, in the fireman helmet with the bullhorn}

We liberated Afghanistan from the religious tyranny of the Taliban

{shot of Taliban shooting women in a soccer stadium --
crosscut to feel-good footage of post-invasion
Afghanistan -- schools, grateful citizens voting, etc.}

And then, Bush turned his attention to Iraq ...

{music turns ominous; shot of Rumsfeld on Russert "We know where the
weapons of mass destruction are; they're somewhere around Tikrit."}

George Bush assured us that Saddam Hussein had nuclear,
chemical and biological weapons -- but none were found ...

{sbot of Charles Duelfer press conference " ...
no weapons of mass destruction ... "}

And Iraq now is costing us over a billion dollars a week

{feel-bad Iraq footage of bombings and chaos, sewage in streets}

Now Bush wants to wiretap the al Qaeda
masterminds to prevent another attack

{shot of Osama video}

And all Americans support him in this goal

{shot of Congress applauding during SOTU}

But Bush doesn't want to tell Congress, or a secret
national security court, anything about the program.

{freeze frame of Bush's face on an exasperated expression}

And so did another president, when questioned on surveillance

{morph Bush's face into Nixon's, with a simlar expression}

Today, the stakes are even higher. Tell your legislators
that you support the Bill of Rights for all American citizens.

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on February 15, 2006 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK

rmck1 -
If you can find someone to air that, I'll help get it made.

walt -
Much better version of what I was trying to say.

Posted by: craigie on February 15, 2006 at 1:18 AM | PERMALINK

I just finished reading this, and it occurred to me that tbrosz is really Instapundit. How could I have missed it?

Posted by: craigie on February 15, 2006 at 1:30 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum wrote: "It's downright Nixonian."

During his administration, President Nixon broke new ground in corruption. We all remember Watergate, but that was just one of many scandals of the Nixon administration. Actually, Watergate was a scandal-plex, and the others were just ordinary scandals. Illegal diversion of federal funds to upgrade his "Western White House" personal property in San Clmente. The wheat deal. The carpet scandal. The Maurice Stans slush fund. And on and on, there are too many to count, and we Americans of little memory have largely forgotten them.

But Richard Nixon stands as a true patriot and paragon of virtue next to George Walker Bush.

Nixon never attempted to subvert scientific truth to political ends.

Nixon invaded Laos and Cambodia, all right, but at least that was a local expansion of an existing war. Bush, in contrast, invaded a country thousands of miles away from an existing war on a series of lies and false pretexts, actually cooked up by the White House, that is, the Bush administration ordered our intelligence agencies to generate the pseudo-intelligence that would be used to justify the war.

Nixon spied on his "enemies," but at least he didn't claim that he had the constitutional authority to do so. And his spying was far more limited.

Nixon, unlike Bush, didn't allow his religious beliefs to instill in himself the notion that God had chosen him to lead. He knew he was chosen by the people, and was accountable to them.

Nixon accepted his his unpopularity and dealt with it. Under Bush, protesters are systematically arrested and kept away.

Nixon may have futzed here and there with elections, but the Nixon campaign did not systematically disenfranchise tens of thousands of members of people likely to vote Democratic, as the Bush campaign illegally did in Florida.

No, Kevin, Bush is not Nixonian. Bush is a far greater cancer on the American body politic than Nixon ever could have hoped to be.

Posted by: Joel Rubinstein on February 15, 2006 at 1:34 AM | PERMALINK

"Downright Nixonian"? It's beyond that. It's almost classical rightism.

But half of America thinks that they can only be saved by a man on horseback, and they think Bush is that man.

(Of course, the guy's afraid of horses, but never mind.)

Posted by: bad Jim on February 15, 2006 at 1:39 AM | PERMALINK

Bush and Cheney are in the bunker. That's the only way I can make sense of their actions. They are steaming in a broth of daily intelligence reports that highlight the grim terrorist threats facing America. They have sworn blood oaths that they will defend the United States from its adversaries no matter what.

Oh, please. This is his one and only conclusion? Somebody (wittier than I) said it here yesterday:

failure of imagination

Posted by: exasperanto on February 15, 2006 at 1:40 AM | PERMALINK

At least the man's number two has a gun!

Posted by: McA on February 15, 2006 at 1:40 AM | PERMALINK

Busholini was lucky that planes hit the Twin Towers. His presidency was floundering before that. What is surprising is that as his popularity soared after the terror in NY and in the Capital, people seemed to assume his competence would also increase. And that the Congress would see fit to create more and more layers of bureaucracy in our government. And authorize him to attack Iraq. And give him unlimited amounts of money to waste on whatever he felt like. The Republic has thereby been seriously weakened.

Posted by: parrot on February 15, 2006 at 1:52 AM | PERMALINK

Tom Engelhardt on some very suspicious building activity observed in the general area of Iraq.

Time to read - if you haven't already - Chalmers Johnson's The Sorrows of Empire and Andrew Bacevich's The New American Militarism : How Americans Are Seduced by War .

Posted by: adios on February 15, 2006 at 2:22 AM | PERMALINK

They have sworn blood oaths that they will defend the United States from its adversaries no matter what. They have blown past the usual rules and restraints into territory where few presidents -Kevin Drum

Umm, are you writing their campaign speeches.
Sound like why they keep winning elections, "they will defend the United States from its adversaries no matter what". Sounds so Jack Bauer. And Jack Bauer is on air while the West Wing is going.

Posted by: McA on February 15, 2006 at 3:27 AM | PERMALINK

May it please this honorable blog:

A few minutes ago, I got the midnight munchies, and walked down to the local convenience store. I took the opportunity to interview the night clerk, and ascertain his views about the Cheney shooting. I should add by way of preface that this is West Virginia, where every able-bodied man, incomers and clergy excepted, goes hunting in the fall and lays in his winter venison supply. Gotyerdeeryet country, in other words. I was careful not to lead the witness, saying merely: "What do you make of this business in Texas, with Cheney and all?"

His response, however, was angry and vehement, to the point of being incoherent. The gist of it is that the night clerk considers Cheney to be no better than a calculated and depraved murderer. The night clerk associates Cheney with the hoodlums from Washington DC slums who drive up here in order to commit robbery with violence. The night clerk thinks Cheney is the kind of man who would stick up a convenience store, and then shoot the clerk, "for kicks." In more genteel language, the night clerk considers Cheney to be a world-class sociopath.

Further, this witness sayeth not.

Posted by: Andrew D. Todd on February 15, 2006 at 3:29 AM | PERMALINK

What makes the bunker mentality of the Bush administration and the attendant paranoia of their supporters in the general public so fearsome is the fact that we own more nuclear warheads than any other nation on the planet.

It is the duty of our elected officials in these circumstances to keep the public's passions from overriding their sense of reason - but this Administration chooses to step out of the way and let the avalanche gain strength as it rolls downhill, as they feel that it benefits their political ambitions.

I do believe that were it not for the bloodlust of "the base", GWB would have negotiated the pullout of American troops from the Middle East by now. We were only supposed to be there long enough to win Bush the 2004 election, but now the GOP is starting to lose control of the armchair Crusaders and trailer-court Nazis who put them in power. Watch what happens to "moderate" Republicans during this primary season. The GOP has sown the wind; now they must reap the whirlwind.

A sizable portion of the public seems to be moving toward the conclusion that the American way of life must be preserved by any means necessary - even if it means killing everybody else on the planet. This attitude I'm sensing out here in the hinterlands is what scares me more than any of our elected officials.

Posted by: dr sardonicus on February 15, 2006 at 3:33 AM | PERMALINK

In more genteel language, the night clerk considers Cheney to be a world-class sociopath.

Posted by: Andrew D. Todd on February 15, 2006 at 3:29 AM | PERMALINK

And the night clerk works as a night clerk...

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public seems to be moving toward the conclusion that the American way of life must be preserved by any means necessary - even if it means killing everybody else on the planet.

Posted by: dr sardonicus on February 15, 2006 at 3:33 AM | PERMALINK

The capitalist way of life must be preserved by any means necessary, thank you.

Posted by: Mca on February 15, 2006 at 3:45 AM | PERMALINK

"They have blown past the usual rules and restraints into territory where few presidents have ventured a region where the president conducts warrantless wiretaps against Americans in violation of a federal statute, where he authorizes harsh interrogation methods that amount to torture."

The "few" presidents include a good many of both parties. A court decision ruled that the federal authority for warrentless wiretaps derives from the constitution, which implies that a congressional restriction is at least plausibly unconstitutional.

Really, your commentary is superficial and partisan. that isn't a crime, but it should be noted. did you cringe when Clinton allowed a political operative to review raw FBI investigative files?

Posted by: republicrat on February 15, 2006 at 4:05 AM | PERMALINK

We were only supposed to be there long enough to win Bush the 2004 election, but now the GOP is starting to lose control of the armchair Crusaders and trailer-court Nazis who put them in power

Posted by: angy on February 15, 2006 at 5:08 AM | PERMALINK

More and more, lately, I see this Nixon meme being deployed. I don't think it works, for three reasons:

1) not enough people remember who Nixon was or what he did

2) Nixon was a piker compared to these guys

3) the first-time syndrome, whereby any particular kind of wrongdoing by a public figure is only outrageous the first time it happens, not the second or subsequent times; a whole book could be written about how the Republican Party has taken advantage of that phenomenon.

Posted by: Frank Wilhoit on February 15, 2006 at 7:01 AM | PERMALINK

> They are steaming in a broth of daily
> intelligence reports that highlight the grim
> terrorist threats facing America.

Some evidence please? I think it far more likely they are awash in a steaming broth of reports that highlights just how trivial the terrorist threat is to the US. Except perhaps for loose nukes, which Cheney has done his best to destroy US efforts to contain (TraitorGate anyone?).

When did the people of Valley Forge and Gettysburg become such simpering cowards?

Cranky

Posted by: Cranky Observer on February 15, 2006 at 7:03 AM | PERMALINK

on 9/12, cranky. all of the tough guy republicans became simpering cowards afraid of the bogeyman.
and they look to the coward who ran away the day before to protect them.

Posted by: gus on February 15, 2006 at 7:44 AM | PERMALINK

The capitalist way of life must be preserved by any means necessary, thank you.

Spoken like a true Leninist.

Posted by: bobbyp on February 15, 2006 at 7:44 AM | PERMALINK

even in the mainstream media more and more people are starting to notice

But as long as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity don't notice, everything's OK. White-male, middle-class America will be onboard and that's all that matters.

Posted by: E. Nonee Moose on February 15, 2006 at 8:00 AM | PERMALINK

Frank Wilhoit: You make good points. Agree particularly that Nixon isn't a useful metaphor for the younger voters.

However, and this is a big however, this image has some significant effect on older, Goldwater-type conservatives who are appalled at Bush's drunken-sailor spending; interference in the sacred province of the family (Schiavo, Roe, etc.); and now, domestic wiretapping.

These people--for example, my parents and most of their friends--very clearly remember the outrage inspired by Nixon's attempts to hold himself above the law. They're already using the Nixon metaphor themselves; I hear it from them all the time. And aren't reasonable, traditonal conservatives the ones we most want to jump the Bush ship on their next trip to the polls? The Nixon message can be effective in that quarter at least.

Posted by: shortstop on February 15, 2006 at 8:30 AM | PERMALINK

This is bad for the U.S. in the short term, but the long-term consequences will include redress of grievances.

Whether the world provides them with legal channels or not, these prisoners, as well as their relatives and friends, are going to present us with some issues to address.

Posted by: bob on February 15, 2006 at 8:30 AM | PERMALINK

I always assumed these guys were merely opportunitistic. It hadn't occured to me that they got scared for their lives on 9/11. After all, Cheney was in the bunker in the WH expecting another plane to hit. Per Clarke's book, Lynne Cheney kept hanging up on the crisis con-call because she couldn't hear CNN. GWB was flying around the country in Air Force One - remember the made up story that AF1 was a target.

So maybe they think Osama is after them personally and are scared, hiding in a bunker. They are scared and theyy want the rest of us to be scared too.

Posted by: VOR on February 15, 2006 at 8:42 AM | PERMALINK

"It's downright Nixonian..." Sorry, Kevin, you've got that backwards. Nixon was downright Bushian.

Posted by: JIm Bartle on February 15, 2006 at 8:43 AM | PERMALINK

Frank Wilhoit is right.

I would go even further on the "Nixon was a piker" point and argue that for all his secrecy and dirty tricks, the man was about breaking the rules of the system more than modifying the system itself. From the K Street project, to the 1.6 billion dollar budget for propaganda, to creating his own intelligence factory, to the electoral strategies to discourage groups that traditionally vote Democratic from voting, much of Bush's success is a matter of fundamentally altering the sysems of government.

Put another way: Nixon had a bunch of amateurs tap the phones of his enemies. Bush get his spy agencies to tap everyone's phones, and then surrounds himself with officials like Bolton who are willing to exploit those new programs to achieve partisan political ends.

Posted by: MarkC on February 15, 2006 at 8:45 AM | PERMALINK

It's downright Nixonian
Ya, before you know it, we'll be locking up all the Japanese-Americans!

Posted by: conspiracy nut on February 15, 2006 at 8:59 AM | PERMALINK

VOR: I always assumed these guys were merely opportunitistic. It hadn't occured to me that they got scared for their lives on 9/11.

I think they were and are opportunistic, at the beginning solely so. But somewhere along the line, they started believing their own bullshit. That's what happens when you don't let any fresh air (or opinions) into the bunker. Bush uber alles.

Posted by: shortstop on February 15, 2006 at 9:15 AM | PERMALINK

Aung San Suu Kyi, who is imprisoned in Myanmar by the military thugs, has said of power,

"It is not power that corrupts, but fear;
fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it."

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 15, 2006 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK

The Nixon analogy isn't just an analogy it's the explanation. Everyone one of the major Bush people were trained under Nixon. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, Rove all started out working in the Nixon party. Now they are in charge.

The basic recipe is all there: huge amounts of money, intimidating and spying on opponents, politics over policy, ruthless use of international crises, etc.

One huge difference appears to be that Nixon was smart and actually ran the machine, while Bush II appears to be run by Cheney.

The second note is how well the machine learned about the Watergate experience - and that some of the lessons are contrary to the common wisdom in the DC media. One, do deny and obfuscate - coverup and just brave it out. Two, smash internal dissent - quash any leakers, discipline the party and don't let go.

Third, Ignatius does a typical "I'm not responsible" slight of hand. He (and Broder, Hitchens, Sullivan, etc.) all imply that this is new behaviour, that they are in the bunker now, but not before.

Which of course is hogwash, the modus operendi were clear for anyone to see. Most of the rest of the world saw it and screamed at the top of their lungs. The DC establishment just chose not to look.

Posted by: Samuel Knight on February 15, 2006 at 9:31 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin, why do you hate America?

Posted by: Doofus on February 15, 2006 at 9:35 AM | PERMALINK

"It's downright Nixonian
Ya, before you know it, we'll be locking up all the Japanese-Americans!
Posted by: conspiracy nut"


This poor bastard just cannot focus on the issue at hand, can he?

Posted by: Ace Franze on February 15, 2006 at 9:36 AM | PERMALINK

I think that they are scared, and not just personally scared. I think they are haunted by 9-11; ashamed that it happened on their watch, fearful that it might happen again.

Mark Gerson, Bush's speechwriter,said The President views us as at war, and hed much rather be on that side of things than have to apologize after an attack. I dont want to write any more days of national mourning speeches. This was in response to questions about constitutional limits on surveillance.

That's how Gerson feels, anyway. I don't doubt his sincerity.

Posted by: Doctor Jay on February 15, 2006 at 9:41 AM | PERMALINK

Ok.
But why all the endless vacations? He went to a light-hearted purely political affair after hearing that the levees in N.O. were breached.

The mentality is more like the drug abuser throwing out every excuse in the book to cover up what has really been going on.

Posted by: theCoach on February 15, 2006 at 9:41 AM | PERMALINK

The mentality is more like the drug abuser throwing out every excuse in the book to cover up what has really been going on.

With respect, I submit that the word you're looking for is "alcoholic."

Posted by: Gregory on February 15, 2006 at 9:49 AM | PERMALINK

Also, that personally scared meme is hilarious - in a sick way.

Baloney - if someone were personally scared they might do something to actually improve the safety of the country rather than seize every opportunity for political grandstanding.

Of course, I can't prove that's not the reason (although conversely no-one can prove it is the reason either. But from the available evidence it certainly isn't likely.

Posted by: Samuel Knight on February 15, 2006 at 9:51 AM | PERMALINK

Aung San Suu Kyi, who is imprisoned in Myanmar by the military thugs, has said of power,

"It is not power that corrupts, but fear;
fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it."

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 15, 2006 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK

Nice of you to quote a political prisoner to oppose a government that's more likely to do something to get her out of prison..

And if the liberal left ever got power again, you'd whine but trot out the line about 'democracy coming from within' to block war or sanctions.

Chutzpah.

Posted by: McA on February 15, 2006 at 9:53 AM | PERMALINK

When we faced total nuclear annihilation from the Soviets, we were never this bad.

Until Bush became the poster boy for al Qaida recruitment, the estimate about the TOTAL number of active terrorists in the world was ~200.

Now, we quiver like a jelly.

What Bush-worship reminds me of the most is the ancient medical practice of bloodletting. The patient doesn't revive? Bleed him more. Repeat until it's too late.

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on February 15, 2006 at 9:54 AM | PERMALINK

I'm surprised Al or tbrosz or somebody hasn't posted, claiming that a non-bunker mentality is a pre 9/11 mindset, and if you're not in the bunker you obviously want the terrorists to win.

Fact is, this is a bunker presidency. The first tax cut was handled with a bunker mentality, as was the Social Security mess, pre-9/11 Israel policy, everything. The executive keeps its cards close to the vest and rallies the "troops" (Congress and talking heads) around it without them really being sure what they're rallying around.

The only time that Bush was open and honest about what he was going to do was the invasion of Afghanistan - he warned the Taliban practically every day for a month that if they didn't hand over bin Laden, they'd be overthrown. And, suprise, the Afghan assault is the only Bush policy that's been even remotely successful.

Posted by: mmy on February 15, 2006 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK

When we faced total nuclear annihilation from the Soviets, we were never this bad.

Word. I'm old enough to remember A-bomb paranoia, and grew up in a city that was presumed to be a first-strike target. The Soviet nuclear arsenal was an existential threat that was, fortunately, offset by the MAD inevitability of our own force (and, I'm sure, the former Soviets would claim the converse).

The object of terrorism is not the violence per se but the reaction to the violence in the political culture. Ford help me, but I've always thought that Tom Clancy's Patriot Games was a halfway reasonable exploration of the topic from a right-wing/militarist perspective, and it's interesting to note that Clancy insisted on a scenario in which the terrorists were defeated with methods that were legal -- that his protagonists in the government and military refused to fall for the terrorists' sucker trap of stopping to their level. In their incompetence -- the same incompetence that led to the 9/11 attacks in the first place -- the Bush Administration's first reaction was to do exactly what Clancy counseled against doing.

Posted by: Gregory on February 15, 2006 at 10:03 AM | PERMALINK

Ya, before you know it, we'll be locking up all the Japanese-Americans!

Michelle Malkin, who's quite popular among the right-wing, has written a book defending that very practice and advocates putting Muslim-Americans and Arab-Americans into concentration camps.

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 10:28 AM | PERMALINK

So what?! He is pursuing/killing all the terrrorists, isn't he? I vote for him, because I wanted War. Yes, War so that we can all annihilate all the terrorists in the world. After all he is the President of War (he declares himself that, "War President"). I don't even care if this creates a WWW III because of it. I just want all those terrorists dead.

And all you libs, want just peace and harmony. What a baloney. Give War a chance.

Posted by: Mini Al on February 15, 2006 at 10:30 AM | PERMALINK

Nice of you to quote a political prisoner to oppose a government that's more likely to do something to get her out of prison.. And if the liberal left ever got power again, you'd whine but trot out the line about 'democracy coming from within' to block war or sanctions.

So when is Bush planning to invade Burma?

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

> I think they are haunted by 9-11; ashamed that it
> happened on their watch, fearful that it might
> happen again.

Being _concerned_ that it might happen again is one thing, and good. A Citizen of the United States, and in particular an elected citzen who holds command of the most powerful military force on Earth today (and can draw on the still-most-powerful economy on Earth), being FEARFUL - well, that is another thing.

I personally am /concerned/ about the possiblity of terrorist acts, as are my teenagers. Are we /fearful/? I don't think so, and in any case I try to master any fearful thoughts.

Legend has it that the remnents of Pickett's Division clustered around Robert E. Lee and begged him to bring up reinforcements for another attack. That may be just legend, but certainly General Hood's men attacked up Round Top THREE TIMES that horrible day, not to mention what the men of the 20th Maine did. But we, the heirs of those men, are supposed to cower in our basements in fear of _Osama bin Laden_?

Cranky

Posted by: Cranky Observer on February 15, 2006 at 10:37 AM | PERMALINK

they're not so bunkerized though that they can't come out for vacation or a hunting trip - its such a convenient little war in so many ways that wah on terra.
.

Posted by: zoot on February 15, 2006 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK

"And the night clerk works as a night clerk...

Posted by: Mca on February 15, 2006 at 3:45 AM"

Yes, and his vote counts just as much as your's does.

Posted by: Vicente Fox on February 15, 2006 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

Cranky speaks volumes about the courage spread across the battlefield on those three horrific days.

However, the next time anyone comes on any thread and starts writing about "liberal elitistism", or pointy headed professors, or uppity intellects from ivory tower universities, I suggest they take the time to peruse the history of the leader of that 20th Maine.
Amazing what a pointy headed professor can accomplish, especially when one juxtaposes him against the two dullards in the White House.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 15, 2006 at 11:07 AM | PERMALINK

WARNING! Don't underestimate Karl Rove. The boy's confident he has plenty of time to salvage Bush's legacy. Word has it he's not only going to reshuffle the cabinet - he's going to give everybody new titles and "street" names. Watch for stern hissies along the lines of "no more amateur hour" and "the gong is gone. gog dong it!"
Rove does his best work when he's mad and when the press is asleep. And when the press and Rove are on the same wavelength - it's time for an extreme makeover, or in this case, an extreme do-over. So feast thine eyes on this leak if that's possible. You heard it here first uncle Safire. and spell my name right this time. Hey, they don't call me Sludge, the Dreggs for nothing. Do they?

NEW TITLES
BUSH- Kubla Con
CHENEY - Co-ordinator of Corruption and Corporate Largess
RUMSFELD - Dept of Sibilance and Churchlady expletives.
GOSS - Headless Houseman
CHERTOF - Host of Homeland Security Festivals
GONZALES - Attorney Federales

STREET CREDS (new nicknames)
RICE - Big Foot
SNOW - Croney-in-Chief
MCCLELLAND- Doctor MacNONO
Scott McClelland - MacMumbles
HUGHES - Apochrafax 2
BROWNIE - Mrs. O'Leary's Cow

Actuarially yours Himjohn

Posted by: john pitcavage on February 15, 2006 at 11:07 AM | PERMALINK

Quit insulting Nixon, Kevin.

These guys are Hitlerian.

Posted by: Advocate for God on February 15, 2006 at 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

It's important to remember that we're winning the argument here. The Bush cult is now well below half the American population, and appears to be shrinking all the time. And having the vice president shoot an old man in the face isn't going to turn things around.

Posted by: Boots Day on February 15, 2006 at 11:15 AM | PERMALINK


David wrote (via Kevin)
"""Bush and Cheney are in the bunker. That's the only way I can make sense of their actions. They are steaming in a broth of daily intelligence reports that highlight the grim terrorist threats facing America. They have sworn blood oaths that they will defend the United States from its adversaries no matter what. They have blown past the usual rules and restraints into territory where few presidents have ventured"""

Thank God....
Could anyone imagine a democrat acting with the same tenacity?
(with the shape their base is in)
Its nice to know someone can stand a post.

Posted by: Fitz on February 15, 2006 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

You know, the wiretaps and email surveillance really aren't the worst of it. The worst of it is the long-term detention without charges and torture of people who mainly seem to have been innocent of any connection to Al-Qaeda, or terrorism of any kind. Posted by: brooksfoe

No. The worst thing is that 90% of America doesn't care. They'll never know what hit them when the shit comes down because they haven't been paying attention for the last six years.

Posted by: Jeff II on February 15, 2006 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

Its nice to know someone can stand a post.

Yeah, like Bush and Cheney stood their post when their country called on them to serve in Vietnam....

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK

""And the night clerk works as a night clerk...

Posted by: Mca on February 15, 2006 at 3:45 AM"

Weren't you the one bloviating about dem elitism?

Posted by: Ace Franze on February 15, 2006 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK

so now the rationale is going to be that these individuals, having been unlawfully detained and wrongly accuses, will become terrorists and attack us if they are released-which of course justifies their indefinite detention.

sorta like the concept of "preventive" war.

Posted by: susan on February 15, 2006 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

Its nice to know someone can stand a post.

Based on Bush's service in the TANG (how appropriate an acronym is that) while defending Texas skies from Oklahoma, "standing a post" apparently means going AWOL for a year to snort coke off of hookers' asses and then not showing up for your flight physical once they introduce drug-testing.

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

Its nice to know someone can stand a post.

Just some friendly advice: if you ever come up behind Cheney while he's standing post, for God's sake announce yourself and scream as loud as you can or he'll shoot you right in the fucking face.

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 11:45 AM | PERMALINK

Stefan

Nice one about Cheney - (no, really funny -ya got me)


But as to Bush's alleged coke habit - he would have to have been, like the first person ever to do powdered cocaine. (it did not hit the "scene" until the late seventies)

Posted by: Fitz on February 15, 2006 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINK

Hey, cranky, t'were some of my never-met-a-bad-idea-they-didn't-like-a-lot ancestors (see also: slavery, Battle of Gonzales, Battle of San Jacinto) dragging a frelling cannon around behind that lunatic Joe Bell Hood.

Hood's Battery.

Frankly, Robert E. would have had to face Virginia's widows and orphans but those in Texas were now in Union hands anyway.

Posted by: CFShep on February 15, 2006 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

Actually, a president around the turn of the 19th/20th century might have used cocaine. I think it was actually available over the counter in pharmacies--and of course, was actually one of the original ingredients in Coca-Cola.
People would stop by the local soda fountain for a little "pick me up".

Posted by: history on February 15, 2006 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK


But as to Bush's alleged coke habit - he would have to have been, like the first person ever to do powdered cocaine. (it did not hit the "scene" until the late seventies)

This would come as news to Sly Stone.

Posted by: Boots Day on February 15, 2006 at 12:00 PM | PERMALINK

I work'a my whole life and'a some'a "imbecilli comes along.............

Posted by: Danielle Perazzi on February 15, 2006 at 12:01 PM | PERMALINK

This would come as news to Sly Stone.

Not to mention william S. Burroughs.

Posted by: Gregory on February 15, 2006 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

...to say nothing of Hunter S. Thompson.

Posted by: Gregory on February 15, 2006 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK

errr....Sam Hood

Joe Bell Hood T_______ is a descendent of Sam Bell Hood who was a great pal of mine in college.

I used daydream of the fun I could have at a Daughters of the Texas Revolution convention among the blue-haired Republican matrons - humming the "Yellar Rose of Texas"...

Posted by: CFShep on February 15, 2006 at 12:11 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, I'm sure that rich pampered playboys with major drug and alcohol habits and money to burn had no access to powdered cocaine in the early 70s....

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK

And certainly not in Houston, which is listed alongside Miami and Los Angeles as one of the cities where cocaine frequently entered the U.S. in the early 1970s.

Posted by: Boots Day on February 15, 2006 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

CF Shep,

I have wondered about the naming of two southern Forts - Bragg after that martinet of a general, and Hood, especially after sending Lt Gen Cleburne to a certain death at Franklin and, in addition, suffering 7,000 needless casualties.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 15, 2006 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

...to say nothing of Hunter S. Thompson.


Or Johnny Cash.

Posted by: Ace Franze on February 15, 2006 at 12:49 PM | PERMALINK

When conservatives lose Igantius...

Posted by: justmy2 on February 15, 2006 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

Amen to all who say Nixon - who was downright ill in his paranoic behavior - is small potatoes compared to this cabal.

Time to find a more apt comparison.

Posted by: Katewyn on February 15, 2006 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

At least the man's number two has a gun! - McA

Bushs shit is armed? I once passed a penny I swallowed but never a firearm... maybe there is something to this Bush is God thing the repubs are so on about?

Posted by: Eric Paulsen on February 15, 2006 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, I think you hit the nail on the head with that last line: "And even in the mainstream media more and more people are starting to notice." Except I take away from that line something much different than I'm sure you intended. As the recent kerfluffle over the VP's hunting trip shows, the mainstream media has driven itself over a cliff while shouting "O'Doyle Rules!". Much of mainstream America sees through what the media is telling them. This administration may be tight-lipped, but it is not "arrogance of power", it's darn near common sense. As Dana Milbank and Paul Begala have shown recently, the topic doesn't matter; what matters is the shot at the administration, no matter how distasteful or revealing of their personal biases. The longer our "mainstream" media refuses to see this, the longer the public will avoid trusting what it reports.

Posted by: Sixth Sense on February 15, 2006 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK

I voted for George Bush and I would again, even though he's done some things that aren't that smart. That's just it. He's not that smart. See, I'm surrounded by people who know more than me. My kids teachers, my doctor, my boss, my minister, even my wife, and I don't particular like it. I have to say, I sure as hell wouldn't want George Bush to be president of any company I have stock in, or manager of any of the sports teams I go for, but as leader of the free world, hey, what harm could he do? O.K., maybe a little harm. Yeah, I know, an unecessary war, thousands dead, hundreds of billions waisted, turned the world against us, but thats not important. The main thing is, if I'm going to see someone yapping at me on TV nearly every day, Im voting for the guy I would go have a beer with. Put that in your mug and chug it.

Posted by: Bush believer on February 15, 2006 at 8:34 PM | PERMALINK

CF Shep,

I have wondered about the naming of two southern Forts - Bragg after that martinet of a general, and Hood, especially after sending Lt Gen Cleburne to a certain death at Franklin and, in addition, suffering 7,000 needless casualties.
Posted by: thethirdPaul

Beats me, sweetie. That Sam Bell Hood was a certifiable lunatic is pretty much as far as I'd go with that. Apparently quite charming though as sociopaths so frequently are.

But I've freely admitted that I'm descended from people who thought that it was a brilliant idea to drag an bunch of cannon through places like Shiloh and Chickamauga...

Posted by: CFShep on February 16, 2006 at 8:36 AM | PERMALINK

Far and away my favorite is Fort Humbug up in Shreveport.

Didn't have artillery so they cut down some trees - bored them out - painted 'em black and mounted them in strategic locations along the Red River.

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