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February 15, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

DOG BITES MAN, PART CCLXI....So how are moderate Republicans doing these days? Still planning to show some spine by investigating the NSA's domestic spying program? If you guessed that they'd eventually cave in to pressure from the White House, you guessed right:

Congress appeared ready to launch an investigation into the Bush administration's warrantless domestic surveillance program last week, but an all-out White House lobbying campaign has dramatically slowed the effort and may kill it.

...."It's been a full-court press," said a top Senate Republican aide who asked to speak only on background as did several others for this story because of the classified nature of the intelligence committees' work.

Everyone who is surprised by this turn of affairs please raise your hand.

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here trollies! come and get your cookies!

Posted by: cleek on February 15, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, how long until you start calling Bush "President Palpatine"?

Posted by: Brazil Connection on February 15, 2006 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK


remember in november

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on February 15, 2006 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin,
It doesn't require a tinfoil hat these days; just powers of observation and analytical skills. And the CT you floated about the Cheney shooting fits the admin's known MO: secretive, annoyed with the thought of explaining themselves, and so quick to go to a lie they do it by instinct even when the truth wouldn't particularly hurt them.

Posted by: nightshift66 on February 15, 2006 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

as soon as the next Dem president takes office, the wingnuts will, in unison, flip back to Dale Gribble mode, full of trembling fear of the power of the govt.. they'll get back to preaching the gospel of Small Government and Original Intent.

and the press won't bother noting the flip flop.

Posted by: cleek on February 15, 2006 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, color me surprised. At least, I'm surprised by people like Snow caving in.

I guess they offered all these guys $100million after 2008, and they all said "um ok!"

I can't think of any other way to explain it.

Posted by: craigie on February 15, 2006 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

I wouldn't want Karl mad at me.

Posted by: cq on February 15, 2006 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

as soon as they started having those "more complete briefings" and the Dems came out saying they were happier with the info, and just maybe it wasn't as bad as they'd thought originally, but they still had questions. i knew then, stake in the heart of any investigation.

why does Congress even bother to pretend that it oversees anything?

Posted by: e1 on February 15, 2006 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

If I raise either hand, my eyes will be exposed to all this.

Posted by: wishIwuz2 on February 15, 2006 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, they all caved when they saw what happens when Count Cheneyla gets mad...

Posted by: craigie on February 15, 2006 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

I just have to ask one thing: What in the hell does the Bush administration *have* on these guys?!? Bush is out of the White House in three years; he'll be in "lame duck" status even earlier once the 2008 presidential campaigns roll around. Why would Senators whove been "in power" for 10 years or more be so willing to submit to a guy who'll be out in 3? Especially when the administration is persuing policies that are meant for castrating Congressional power and oversight?!? It's beyond strange.

Posted by: a1 on February 15, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

I wouldn't want Karl mad at me.
Posted by: cq on February 15, 2006 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

Karl doesn't get mad.

He gets even.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on February 15, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

Seeing no hands let us move on

"Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable" - attributed to John F. Kennedy

Posted by: daCascadian on February 15, 2006 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

I just have to ask one thing: What in the hell does the Bush administration *have* on these guys?!?
Posted by: a1 on February 15, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

Think Jeff Gannon, and hidden cameras. . .

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on February 15, 2006 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

I've gotta believe there is a significant element of self-preservation behind Congress's rediscovery of its oversight role. Sure, maybe some Repubs honestly believe in checks and balances, but they also understand that if they go into November being viewed as a rubber stamp for Generalissimo Bush, it will hurt them at the polls. I was a bit worried that they would do just enough to win back the voters who'd put them in the majority, then return to business as usual. Now I see that perhaps my fear was unfounded.

Posted by: Beale on February 15, 2006 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

Shocking. Don't you love the reason given for the anonymity by the Times? While the Intel committees obviously deal with a lot of classified issues, whether they plan to investigate the NSA program is plainly not one of them.

Posted by: Glenn on February 15, 2006 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

So what's the news?

The DOJ has pulled out all the stops to find and per......er, prosecute the cat who dropped the dime on 'em, but heaven forbid that congress should look into the crimes of these fuckers.

Where's the news here?

Posted by: angryspittle on February 15, 2006 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK

a1 >"I just have to ask one thing: What in the hell does the Bush administration *have* on these guys?!?..."

Osama_Been_Forgotten >"...Think Jeff Gannon, and hidden cameras. . ."

And does the name Chandra Levy mean anything to you ?

You have to admit to the evil we have, not the evil you wish we had

WTFU !

"Nothing important ever happens unless someone is willing to kill somebody if it does not happen." - George Bernard Shaw

Posted by: daCascadian on February 15, 2006 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

"Actually, color me surprised. At least, I'm surprised by people like Snow caving in."

Then you haven't been paying attention. Olivia makes a good feint at centrism, but backs the party line unless the "right" result is already in the bag. Without exception.

I think she's concerned that a legitimate challenge from the right would end her political career. And she's probably right.

Posted by: brewmn on February 15, 2006 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

It's hard not to lose hope. I keep reminding myself that the government is a reflection of the engagement of American public in their community and politics.

Lack of engagement (despite public polling showing attitudes that are against this regime) equals a shitty government.

Posted by: Patrick Briggs on February 15, 2006 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

That's it. America's done, and it's never gonna get any better. The press sucks, the congress is held by the party of ultimate venality, and the president thinks he's a king. The Democrats suck. The population is lazy and disinterested in politics, their freedoms, or anything that might distract from TV or whatever they occupy themselves with. This place is done for.

Time to emigrate.

Posted by: phleabo on February 15, 2006 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Other factors involved in this are discussed in Morris Berman's "Twilight of American Culture"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/039332169X/sr=8-1/qid=1140035372/ref=sr_1_1/104-9385779-0439962?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Posted by: Patrick Briggs on February 15, 2006 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry, but the reason this investigation is dying is because the American public doesn't want it - they are perfectly happy to have the NSA listening to conversations between AQ operatives overseas and their contacts in America. If the public were outraged about this, you can bet the Congress would be holding hearings whether the White House wants them or not.

The Congressional Democrats are just as happy to have this wither away, too, because it's a loser of an issue for them. There is no way to attack aggressive surveillance of Al Qaeda without looking like an idiot.

Sorry, but that's the way it is.

Posted by: DBL on February 15, 2006 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

what "moderate Republicans"?

I was the last one out, and I turned out the lights when I left. There weren't any more.

Posted by: Ducktape on February 15, 2006 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

A decade or more on, and John Podesta's analysis holds true: "If someone brings me a plan that relies on moderate Republicans sticking together, I say 'Bring me another plan'"

Posted by: demtom on February 15, 2006 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

Time to emigrate. - posted by phleabo

I'd happily suggest Brazil. However, no one can tell who holds our Congress because we have so many parties and they all sell themselves to the highest bidder; the president thinks he's the messiah of the poor and that the elites are up to bring him down, even after his own party engages in widespread corruption; we don't have the concept of 'punishing corruption'; the population is lazy and disinterested in politics, their freedoms, or anything that might distract from TV or whatever they occupy themselves with.

Our press is ok, though. And our football. And our beer. And the women are beautiful, but that's a very sexist thing to say, so I won't.

Posted by: Brazil Connection on February 15, 2006 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

If it's time to emigrate, one question.

Where will we get the chance to realize each of our unique abilities to bring peace and social justice to this earth?

I have thought about leaving too but I think that my life would be missing something were I not living here in a country that so needs help. Just how involved can one get in Canada or Germany (both places we've considered leaving to).

Posted by: Patrick Briggs on February 15, 2006 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

Are you including Harmon and Daschle among the spineless?

Posted by: Floridian on February 15, 2006 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

See, I remember way back when, when calling a republican administration "fascist" involved a smidgen of hyperbole.

Man, I miss those days.

Posted by: DH Walker on February 15, 2006 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

"I just have to ask one thing: What in the hell does the Bush administration *have* on these guys?!? Bush is out of the White House in three years; he'll be in "lame duck" status even earlier once the 2008 presidential campaigns roll around. Why would Senators whove been "in power" for 10 years or more be so willing to submit to a guy who'll be out in 3? Especially when the administration is persuing policies that are meant for castrating Congressional power and oversight?!? It's beyond strange.

Posted by: a1 on February 15, 2006 at 3:05 PM"

It's very simple actually. The REAL forces behind the GOP (corporate cash, extreme right wing monied elements) know they will never have to relingish power. Bush is just a figurehead, and the GOP will never lose another election since they own the media and the voting machine manufacturers. That's why the corrupt, craven and co-opted members of congress (of both parties) are afraid. They KNOW who is in charge, and if they like their lifestyles and privileges, they also know they must tow the party line.

This has all happened before. All you need do is study the Roman empire and its internal politics circa 0-10 A.D.

Posted by: GOPNemesis on February 15, 2006 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry, but the reason this investigation is dying is because the American public doesn't want it

sorry, but recent polling doesn't back up that statement.

Posted by: cleek on February 15, 2006 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

Cowards.

They're just afraid the Karl is going to pull their special interest money.

Posted by: Jimm on February 15, 2006 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

Everyone who is surprised by this turn of affairs please raise your hand.

[hand raised high] I am! Me! Me! A year ago it would have been unthinkable that Republican aides -- any Republican aides -- would talk out of turn to the press like this. I'm now expecting a White House call for a Justice Department investigation to smoke the bastard aides out.

--
HRlaughed

Posted by: HRlaughed on February 15, 2006 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

Boy, will these guys be sorry when Michael Moore is the President.

Posted by: craigie on February 15, 2006 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

Karl Rove just showed them the latest stats on where Diebold Machines will be 'delivering votes to the President', and reminded them that he can put the tally however he wants it...

Posted by: castor on February 15, 2006 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

more polling shows the american public isn't on-board with the BushNSATIA-FUmmK project.

Posted by: cleek on February 15, 2006 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

cleek,

Garbage poll. We know this for two reasons. It's Reuters. That means they asked stupid questions. Plus the folks in congress have all swallowed their tongues. NO one had proposed bill or suggested a vote for ANYTHING. They're terrified of making asses of themselves. They know Rove and Bush are begging them to step into the traffic. They saw what that did for Daschle and Cleland.

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

What phleabo said. It's over.

And GOPNemesis is right about the puppeteer behind the GOP. Bush goes and is replaced by someone slightly less insane, but the big money still runs the country, and our elected "representatives" are indentured to it.

Perhaps we should laud the Joes instead of vilifying them. They're the Dems most honest about their intentions of continuing to support the corrupted and twisted status quo.

Posted by: shortstop on February 15, 2006 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

Garbage poll.

Translation: it doesn't agree with my talking points. One of which is that the sainted American People are never wrong. So if the American People are critical of King W, then the poll must be wrong.

Posted by: craigie on February 15, 2006 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

Brazil Connection >"...And the women are beautiful..."

And, I`m told, they don`t think sex is an evil Satanic plot to corrupt humans

Sounds better all the time...

"We are accustomed to the new land yet attached to the old country" - anon

Posted by: daCascadian on February 15, 2006 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

You ain't seen nothin' yet - Wait until the bombs and missiles start flyin' in Iran. And it will happen soon. The Iranian Euro-denominated petrobourse is scheduled to open on March 31st. Bush and Cheney, two Texas oilmen, will not allow that to happen. It means they lose control of a significant amount of the world's oil supply.

Today, Syria announced it was moving most of it's foreign assets into Euros. The die is cast. If you thought "shock and awe" was something, wait until the Mideast from the Mediterranean to Bangladesh is in flames. Expect $150/barrel oil. Casualties in the tens of thousands. Inflation like you ain't seem since pre-WWII Germany.

It's coming, folks...

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on February 15, 2006 at 4:39 PM | PERMALINK

Garbage poll. We know this for two reasons

if you could go ahead and list your statistical credentials, we'll be better able to assess the validity of your claims.

thanks.

Posted by: cleek on February 15, 2006 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin:
I have to say this. You yourself IMHO are wishy washy on going full ass bore against the Bush junta on the spying issue. I recall you straddling the fence because the GOP meme that opposing this plays into the "Weak On Terrorism" view many MSM folks say is a Democrat Party problem. I don't really believe the Dems are perceived in that light. It is something else at work here.

If you are the minority party and the other side does not conduct the peoples business in a bipartisan framework then there is no choice except to press for all-out opposition in this matter. Today Digby noted that the GOP impeached Clinton when he was at a 60% approval rating, yet nobody really expected anything else from them. The point they made was they stand for something. They will do everything they can to damage the opposition. The backlash was minimal.

Whining about GOP moderates is pointless to the extreme. This debate to many who are concerned about NSA spying is about the Democrats completely and thoroughly letting America know they oppose the GOP's attempt to recreate the very same conditions that brought about blacklisting and the McCarthy era.

I am not counting on Snowe or Specter or any other Republican Lite poser to support my party.
They can never disappoint me.

Posted by: Poncho & Lefty on February 15, 2006 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

A simpler answer to the changes of heart, as suggested in the article, is that more members of Congress were briefed on the actual program, and many of them realized that the crap they've been hearing from the media and uninformed speculators was just that.

Posted by: tbrosz on February 15, 2006 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

This is the relevant essay

This country is so, so screwed.

Posted by: craigie on February 15, 2006 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK


***garbage poll***


more proof through assertion....


Posted by: thisspaceavailable on February 15, 2006 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, I see Cliff "rdw" Clavin is back! Just to taunt him, I think I'll reprint one of his greatest hits from yesterday:

Cliff Clavin on February 13, 2006 at 4:19 PM : The Democratic party turned pacifist in 1968 however and they engineered a retreat from Vietnam effectively enslaving 50M South Vietnamese.

Cliff Clavin on February 14, 2006 at 4:41: Learn how to read. I said the Dems turned pacificist in 68. I did not say they engineered the retreat. They were just getting started. It took until '75.

Now watch him gulp at the bait....

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK

Second NSA surveillance and wiretapping system,

'Russell D. Tice told the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations he has concerns about a "special access" electronic surveillance program that he characterized as far more wide-ranging than the warrentless wiretapping recently exposed by the New York Times but he is forbidden from discussing the program with Congress.'


from,

http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20060214-053955-9494r

Posted by: cld on February 15, 2006 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

DBL: Sorry, but the reason this investigation is dying is because the American public doesn't want it . . .

They didn't want the war in Iraq either.

Why can't conservatives make up their mind about whether the public's wishes should be followed or not.

Is it because conservatives are inherently hypocrites?

Yep.

Posted by: Advocate for God on February 15, 2006 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

tbrosz: . . . the crap they've been hearing from the media . . .

Not nearly the same level of crap coming out of tbrosz's keyboard.

The stink level was raised considerably by his 4:53 PM post.

Posted by: Advocate for God on February 15, 2006 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK

cld- Yes, so let's get all the "crap- wink to tbrosz" onto the table and then see what needs to be legislated of investigated.

Posted by: Poncho & Lefty on February 15, 2006 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK

rdw I thought America lost it's taste for the war in Viet Nam, after 150 of our finest massacred 500 innocent women and children in My Lai.

Posted by: Neo on February 15, 2006 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK

A simpler answer to the changes of heart, as suggested in the article, is that more members of Congress were briefed on the actual program, and many of them realized that the crap they've been hearing from the media and uninformed speculators was just that.

I have you figured out, tbrosz. You write in code, probably for other faux-libertarian operatives scattered around the internets.

So I took your post, and treated it as an anagram. And when I unscramble it, I get this:
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Which most readers will agree, I'm sure, makes a lot more sense.

Posted by: craigie on February 15, 2006 at 5:06 PM | PERMALINK

rdw: Garbage poll.

Definition: "garbage poll"; a poll the results of which contradict rdw's lemming-like devotion to all things Bush and which he does not want to acknowledge because it does not serve any conservative partisan purpose.

We know this for two reasons. It's rdw. Conservatives like rdw have their own self-serving dictionary of maldefinitions.

They're terrified of making asses of themselves. They know Rove and Bush are begging them to step into the traffic. They saw what that did for Daschle and Cleland.

If they are terrified of anything, it is the willingness of partisan conservatives like rdw to serially lie about and defame loyal Americans in order to promote the fortunes of disloyal Americans like Bush and Cheney.

Posted by: Advocate for God on February 15, 2006 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

Tbrosz: More members = Republican only.

Did Cheney meet with any Dems?

Posted by: Poncho & Lefty on February 15, 2006 at 5:09 PM | PERMALINK

tbrosz: A simpler answer to the changes of heart, as suggested in the article, is that more members of Congress were briefed on the actual program, and many of them realized that the crap they've been hearing from the media and uninformed speculators was just that.

Gotta love that libertarian philosophy - just trust the government.

Posted by: alex on February 15, 2006 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

rdw: Garbage poll.

Garbage poll = stupid question.

Congressional Democrats know in reliable polls GWBs support is 2 to 1. Their actions speak for themselves. We've got 10 Democrats running for President and not one of them is touching this issue. Even the whackjobs like Pelosi and Boxer are keeping their distance.

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK

So how are moderate Republicans doing these days?

Who?? Oh, you mean that one guy.

Posted by: ckelly on February 15, 2006 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK

Another repost of mine from yesterday:

I was the one who gave tbrosz his "Ned Flanders" nickname, and for a while now I've had this nagging feeling that rdw reminds me of another TV character. It just hit me: Cliff Clavin from "Cheers"! The same lack of social skills, the same monomania, the same lunatic ability to toss half-digested facts and figures into a mishmash of nonsense and insanity. So from now on, rdw will proudly be known by me (and, I hope, by a few of you) as "Cliff Clavin."

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK

Tbrosz: A simpler answer to the changes of heart, as suggested in the article, ...

Wait - is speculation wrong, or isn't it? Or are only conservatives allowed to do it? I can never keep track of these things.

Posted by: DH Walker on February 15, 2006 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

I think I'll start a little contest: I'll every so often post a few quotes and challenge you to guess whether they were uttered by rdw or by the original Cliff Clavin on "Cheers." Ready? Here goes the first:

"DNA stands for Dames are Not Aggressive."

rdw or Cliff Clavin? You make the call!

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 5:28 PM | PERMALINK
Congressional Democrats know in reliable polls GWBs support is 2 to 1.

GWBs support is more like 2:1 against than 2:1 for, in just about every major poll in existence.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 15, 2006 at 5:30 PM | PERMALINK

Round Two in our "rdw or Cliff Clavin?" quote contest. Here's the second question:

"Everyone in the Swiss Army owns a Swiss Army knife. That's why no one messes with Switzerland."

rdw or Cliff Clavin? You make the call!

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 5:33 PM | PERMALINK


*** in reliable polls GWBs support is **


more proof through assertion...

rdw...couldnt even bring yourself to post those "reliable" polls huh?

Posted by: thisspaceavialable on February 15, 2006 at 5:34 PM | PERMALINK

GWBs support is more like 2:1 against than 2:1 for, in just about every major poll in existence.

So they why is congress silent?

If the polls were against GWB every Presidential wannebe in each party would be running with the 2 and leading the charge. Except no one is. Why is that?

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 5:35 PM | PERMALINK
We've got 10 Democrats running for President

Actually, there are, I believe you'll find, zero Democrats that have declared their intention to seek the nomination in 2008. There might be 10 that you assume are going to decide to run, but that's not the same thing.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 15, 2006 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

Round Three:

"The harp is a predecessor of the modern day guitar. Early minstrels were much larger people. In fact they had hands the size of small dogs."

rdw or Cliff Clavin? You make the call!

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK

Cliffie the Claven, otherwise known as the Drexel Hill Dimwit, is a hero around his household - Because of the tremendous training he received in the Navy, not one can of Jolly Green Giants has fallen out of a kitchen cabinet and dented the floor.

"10 Democrats running for President" - Is it 08 already? Check the recent contests in Missouri, where Repugs lost big time in heavily Repug districts.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 15, 2006 at 5:40 PM | PERMALINK
If the polls were against GWB every Presidential wannebe in each party would be running with the 2 and leading the charge.

I'm not sure what "running with the 2" means, but, no, history does not bear out that everytime a President's position is shown unpopular in polls, every single "wannabe" on either side of the aisle immediately and publicly goes full bore in opposition to it.

Your reasoning, based as it is on a false premise, is incorrect. Furthermore, you wouldn't need circuitous logic if there was actually a poll that support your claim that the President has support running 2:1 in his favor.

The most likely explanation is that no such poll exists.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 15, 2006 at 5:40 PM | PERMALINK

Except no one is. Why is that?

Ooo! Ooo! I know! Pick me!

Because the Republican Congress has abdicated its Constitutional oversight of the Executive Branch?

Posted by: Gregory on February 15, 2006 at 5:41 PM | PERMALINK

Round Four:

"We have established monuments for all of our war heroes so we can celebrate their heroism. I've been to the Mall in DC and recommend it highly."

rdw or Cliff Clavin? You make the call!

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 5:41 PM | PERMALINK

Destroying rdw's arguments is like shooting domesticated quail in a Texas ranch. If you guys really want a formidable opponent, you should try to respond to my impeccably logical and factually indisputable statements.

Posted by: tbrosz on February 15, 2006 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK

rdw: Garbage poll = stupid question.

rdw = stupid human being.

So they why is congress silent?

Aren't you one of the ones that say the Dems have no right to speak up in Congress because they are in the minority?

Yep. You are.

Isn't it clear that the GOP in Congress has abdicated its duty to perform oversight on the executive branch and its role as a check on presidential power?

Yep. It is.

So, not so surprising that "Congress" is silent.

The GOP won't let the Dems speak using the mechanisms of Congress, because the GOP controls all those mechanisms and has denied the Dems access and . . .

the GOP itself isn't going to speak because of they value loyalty to der furher more than loyalty to country.

Posted by: Advocate for God on February 15, 2006 at 5:46 PM | PERMALINK

Round Five:

"If you were to go back in history and take every president you'll find that the numerical value of each letter in their name was equally divisible into the year in which they were elected. By my calculations our next president has to be named Yellnick McWawa."

rdw or Cliff Clavin? You make the call!

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 5:47 PM | PERMALINK

Stefan your reputation is well deserved. Your last post nailed it for me.

Posted by: lib on February 15, 2006 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

I thought Yellnick was the president. It's so hard to keep up...

Posted by: craigie on February 15, 2006 at 5:54 PM | PERMALINK

rdw I thought America lost it's taste for the war in Viet Nam, after 150 of our finest massacred 500 innocent women and children in My Lai.

It certainly was a factor but the bigger factor by far was the massive loss of American lives and most specifically the Tet offensive:

Losses during Tet Offensive

Country/Force Killed Wounded Missing
US, Korea, Australia 1,536 7,764 11
South Viet Nam 2,788 8,299 587
North Viet Nam and Viet Cong 45,000 not not known
Civilian 14,000

We lost more men in this engagement than any year in Iraq and it was reported as a loss. In fact it was a great victory. LBJ had to explain cumulatve losses of over 40,000 to date and what seemed to be a losing effort because that's how the press reported it and LBJ has no way of countering them.

I do not wish to debate this war. We'll never agree. My point was to make Iraq into vietmam is silly and politically stupid. The anti-war left disgraced itself by treating those soldiers like garbage and there is a great deal of residual bitterness. There was a concerted effort after Desert Storm to make surethat disgrace never happened again and the same thing is happening now.

Liberals do not realize the constant attempt to keep Abu Garhib as the top story regarding the actions of our soldiers is widely regarded as a replusive attempt to smear our brave soldiers. The same people so anxious to mention Abu Garhib have never quoted a story of their heroism. They are about one thing. They are beneath contempt. They have already failed. Uncle Walter like Dan Rather has been exposed as a chump.

I know Abu Garhib happened. If it was still Uncle Walts media that's all I would know. But I also know of each war criminal we have 10,000 brave Americans putting their lives on the line. Conservatives celebrate the 10,000. You can wallow in your misery and continue to count your election losses. You are clearly on the wrong side history and giving Rove all he needs for his durable majority.

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 5:56 PM | PERMALINK

Look Who's Smiling

One of the things tracked by the Pew Research Center is happiness. Since the 1970s, the Pew pollsters have been asking Americans how happy they are and analyzing the results. This year's survey came out on Monday, and, as always, it shows that Republicans, on the average, are happier than Democrats:

Some 45% of all Republicans report being very happy, compared with just 30% of Democrats and 29% of independents. This finding has also been around a long time; Republicans have been happier than Democrats every year since the General Social Survey began taking its measurements in 1972.

The gap between Republicans and Democrats persists when factors like income and marital status (both powerful predictors of happiness) are accounted for.

Conservatives, likewise, are happier people than liberals, and churchgoers are happier than non-churchgoers.

That conservatives (Republicans) are happier than liberals (Democrats) is no coincidence, as anyone who earns a living selecting juries can tell you. Nowadays, the fact that the Democrats are an angry (I would say, hateful) party is one of the commonplaces of political commentary. And, no doubt, the Democrats are angrier now than usual. But it seems likely that the fact that Democrats tend, statistically, to be unhappy people makes that party especially susceptible to appeals based on anger and hate.

Allow me to add my two cents. This unhappiness also explains why secularists don't reproduce and entire populations in Europe and Blue State America are shriking. You are not by nature upbeat to begin with and you keep on losing elections. According to polls the French are the most miserable people on the planet. Is that a surprise?

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK

the problem is that RDW is really funny in their absurdity, while Tbrosz's are pathetic in their absurdity. Its all about the delivery. Would you rather deal with lampshade-wearing drunk who is insistent on telling everyone aliens gave him a rectal probe and wants to tell everyone about how they probably got elvis, or the sullen angry drunk who insists on telling everyone the aliens gave him a rectal probe, and as soon as he figures out who was working with them, he's going to axe them? Sure, they are both delusional idiots suffering from a deeply supressed homosexual desire, but only one of them is entertaining about it.

Posted by: Mysticdog on February 15, 2006 at 6:02 PM | PERMALINK

Wait. Does the "r" in rdw stand for Rumpelstiltskin? Will you now explode into a blind rage and disappear because I've guessed your name?

Posted by: SED on February 15, 2006 at 6:07 PM | PERMALINK

News of huge U.S. oil inventories chopped the price of crude oil Wednesday on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The price of crude oil for March delivery fell nearly $2 per barrel to $57.60, and natural gas was off a nickel to $7.06 per million Btu.

Gasoline futures were down slightly to $1.385 per gallon, and heating oil closed off at $1.607 per gallon.

The Energy Department reported that U.S. oil supplies were well above average levels for this time of year.

January retail sales well above expectations. JP Morgan announces upside to their 5% forecast for 1st Qtr GDP and suggests the 4th Qtr will be revised up to 1.7% from 1.1%.

Not bad for GWB. Hows this for the 1st Qtr: 5.5% GDP, 750K jobadds and inflation

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK

In another poll by Pew Research, it was found that people who have a lower IQ ( less than 80) are in general happier than the people who have graduate and doctoral degrees. The difference is generally attributed to ignorance and lack of interest among the mentally retarded in anything except their ownp ersonal self.

Karl Rove loves this finding.

Posted by: nut on February 15, 2006 at 6:09 PM | PERMALINK

Because the Republican Congress has abdicated its Constitutional oversight of the Executive Branch?

And the Democrats are potted plants?

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 6:14 PM | PERMALINK
So they why is congress silent? Posted by: rdw
Someone needs to clean the wax out of his ears.
In fact it [the Tet offensive] was a great victory.Posted by: rdw
A great victory against an enemy who was in his last throes and thought to be incapable of mounting a country-wide offensive. The simple fact of the attack showed the lie of the American government's claims of success and pending victory. Posted by: Mike on February 15, 2006 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK

This unhappiness also explains why secularists don't reproduce and entire populations in Europe and Blue State America are shriking.

For proof just compare the bulging, teeming masses in Red States such as Nebraska, North Dakota and Idaho to the vast depopulated wastelands of Blue States such as New York and California.

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 6:19 PM | PERMALINK
Pew Research Center is happiness.Monday, and, as always, it shows that Republicans, on the average, are happier than Democrats: Posted by: rdw
Ignorance is bliss, as the saying goes. Posted by: Mike on February 15, 2006 at 6:21 PM | PERMALINK

You are not by nature upbeat to begin with and you keep on losing elections.

As compared to such sunny, happy-go-lucky, all's right with the world Republicans such as Dick "Ooopsie!" Cheney, Bill "Hey little girl, you ever seen one of these before?" O'Reilly, Rush "Just one more fix!" Limbaugh, Sean "Smiley" Hannity, Michael "Weiner" Savage, Ann "Kill 'Em All!" Coulter, etc.

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 6:23 PM | PERMALINK

Karl Rove loves this finding

Karl loves anything he can use to beat Democrats. He's quite good at it isn't he?

Maybe you can help me understand something. It's one of those mystery of life things. As a conservative I'm just not smart enough to figure it out. We all know GWB in as dumb as a post. No agrument here. We also know that Democrats get the cream of the crop. If you want smart and nuanced and articulate you've got to find a democrats. Facts are facts. They're just smarter.

So why is the party is such pitiful shape?

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 6:25 PM | PERMALINK

"Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable" - attributed to John F. Kennedy

Posted by: daCascadian

If anyone said that today, his computer would be confiscated, and he would be charged with sedition.

Posted by: anandine on February 15, 2006 at 6:26 PM | PERMALINK

Ignorance is bliss, as the saying goes

Winning ain't bad either

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 6:27 PM | PERMALINK

Round Six:

"A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol as we know kills brain cells. But naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."

rdw or Cliff Clavin? You make the call!

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 6:30 PM | PERMALINK

This unhappiness also explains why secularists don't reproduce and entire populations in Europe and Blue State America are shriking.

Yeah, but part of that discrepancy is due to the fact that unlike Republicans we can actually figure out how to put on condoms....

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

"Terrorists, Woody.
They've seized my stomach and are demanding beer."

Posted by: kenga on February 15, 2006 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

For proof just compare the bulging, teeming masses in Red States such as Nebraska, North Dakota and Idaho to the vast depopulated wastelands of Blue States such as New York and California.

You could look there.

Or you could look to TX and FL. Each will probably gain 2 electoral votes at the expense of NY and MI.

You could even look at a red/blue state map and overlay census data. If it were to show the 10 fasest growing states were red states would that suggest anything?

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

This unhappiness also explains why secularists don't reproduce and entire populations in Europe and Blue State America are shriking.

Plus, it's not like we don't fuck a lot. But, being the depraved wretches that we are, it's always blowjobs and anal sex (usually right after shooting up with some smack) so it only makes sense we get pregnant less often....

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 6:35 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, but part of that discrepancy is due to the fact that unlike Republicans we can actually figure out how to put on condoms....

It's called natural selection. It's much better for the gene pools you keep putting that condum on.

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 6:36 PM | PERMALINK

Mike,

Correction: A early release of excerpts from the senator's speech erred in saying he would call for a special commission.

When I used the term silent I meant in terms of action. They are ALWAYS babbling.

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 6:40 PM | PERMALINK

It's much better for the gene pools you keep putting that condum [!] on.

I love Freudian slips. They're so revealing....

Posted by: mustard on February 15, 2006 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK

it only makes sense we get pregnant less often....


Stefan, we don't care. This is a blog. We don't believe you anyway. Just keep the condum on.

Posted by: rdw on February 15, 2006 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK

FLIP-FLOP.

The administration has obviously gotten the message that they need to be more forthcoming," Olympia Snowe [R-Maine] said.

And she cites the "testimony" of Gonzalez as proof! Laugh or cry. Laugh or cry.

Posted by: ckelly on February 15, 2006 at 6:44 PM | PERMALINK

The economic news is thoroughly unsurprising. When the government runs a $500 billion plus on-budget deficit for each of the last 2 fiscal years,it isn't at all surprising that the overall economy reacts as JMKeynes had predicted. The jobs added have been in large part due to defense growth although average weekly pay has been flat to down in the last 2 years.
I do appreciate the lower tax rates on dividends and capital gains,though. This year,individual tax collections may exceed 2000 when they were over a billion.

Posted by: TJM on February 15, 2006 at 6:44 PM | PERMALINK

rdw, "If it were to show the 10 fasest growing states were red states would that suggest anything?"

Yes, it would suggest lower heating bills in winter and lower traffic congestion.

It would also suggest that these places are about to go blue. Or bluer.

Posted by: cld on February 15, 2006 at 6:45 PM | PERMALINK

So why is the party is such pitiful shape?

Having won three of the past four Presidential elections ain't that bad for the Dems.


How come only 39% of Americans approve of GWB?

How come your heroes are the likes of Tom Delay and Karl Rove?

Posted by: lib on February 15, 2006 at 6:45 PM | PERMALINK

rdw says:

Polls running 2:1 for Bush (oops, that's bullshit, nevermind).

Republicans happier than Democrats!

Economy doing great!

Republicans win more elections!

Republicans reproducing like lemmings!

Hmmm, seems like you've long since run out of arguments relevant to the thread.

Posted by: alex on February 15, 2006 at 6:47 PM | PERMALINK

...Yellnick McWawa

Isn't that McA's pseudonym when he's quivering under the bed, begging for Bush to take away his personal liberties and protect him?

Posted by: ckelly on February 15, 2006 at 6:52 PM | PERMALINK

"Ignorance is bliss, as the saying goes

Winning ain't bad either

Posted by a traitorous moron on February 15, 2006 at 6:27 PM"

Bankrupt Treasury, Decimated Military, Growing Insurgency more confident, major cities destroyed by incompetance, unlimited warrantless domestic spying, torture, arrest and imprisonment without due process, growing international opposition, exploding international debt burden, weak economy completety dependant on fossil fuel resources concentrated in the hands of foreign adversaries, etc., etc......

Somebody's winning all right. It just ain't the U.S.A.

Idiot.

Posted by: GOPNemesis on February 15, 2006 at 6:59 PM | PERMALINK

rdw,

And it also means cheaper housing because everything in the blue states is simply more valuable.

Posted by: cld on February 15, 2006 at 7:02 PM | PERMALINK

Round Seven:

"I have a potato that looks like Richard Milhous Nixon."

rdw or Cliff Clavin? You make the call!

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 7:59 PM | PERMALINK

Hello all,

I've reviewed the comments above and am quite pleased at the interest in the issue. At this point, it seems clear that the Congress isnt going to do anything about this, so let's move on to something else. OK?

For those of you who are still reading, that is called sarcasm. There's actually a way to force the congress to review this matter. This is one thing that Karl Rove neglected to include in his little "2006 Election" folder.

That's right: It's called the State proclamation process. [ here it is Click ]

Heres how it works: Karl Rove and his donut machine have a little problem right now. Fitzgerald is about to spring some more bad news. But not to worry, the team in place working behind the scenes is making progress in Vermont. Guess what? Vermont doesn't have an RNC-controlled system to block this proclamation.

But it gets better. Once the proclamation arrives -- the RNC controlled Congress can't bury this in committee. The House rules say that this matter trumps all other business; and the 1903 Precedent against a Federal Judge is clear: Even if the House fails to agree on what happens, they can still impeach the President.

But then it gets better -- the Senate also knows about this option -- and if they refuse to vote up or down, then the voters will have nine months to know: Despite all the "things we don't know about", this Congress chose not to act. Then it will be voting time and the chance to find new leadership.

At this point, the RNC and White House are in a no-win situation. Their only hope is to make you believe that "nothing can be done." But they are not talking about what the States can do.

But it gets better: Click: The problem the White House and NSA have is they can't figure out how the team is communicating because [wait for it] we use methods that the NSA is unable to intercept.

To show you this is true -- you can ask the Libby defense team about the 01 July 2005 message traffic which GCHQ intercepted confirming their concern with the FBI I-drive. Their attorneys information has been successfully intercepted using lawful intercepts which the NSA cannot trace.

Guess where the Fitzgerald team is getting information about "what is really going on" and "where to send their FBI agents" to get more information? That's right: There's a team inside the NSA that is using equipment to communicate -- and the NSA Q2 [their internal security] cannot penetrate.

NSA, the National Security Council, White House, DoJ, and the Joint Staff know their communications are being intercepted -- lawfully -- using more sophisticated technology than the NSA has.

There is a group inside the intelligence community who are loyal to the Constitution, not the President. They continue to provide assistance and remain ready to act. Your job is to know that the Congress is being set up. The people inside the intelligence community are waiting to provide the "rest of the story" when the Congress commits to the "wrong story."

Then, the voters will have the information they need. Your job is to remain determined and know that there is alot going on behind the scenes to gather evidence, and assert the rule of law over this tyrant. There is nothing the White House, NSA, or RNC can do to stop the state proclamations. Your job is to share the Kos link with your friends and know there is a way to force Congress to do their job.

Best wishes!

- Constant -

Posted by: Constant on February 15, 2006 at 8:00 PM | PERMALINK

Sure rdw, why shouldn't Republicans be happy? They've got the lower middle class to fight and die in their idiotic Wars, free tax money and no burdens during the time of said Wars, and they get to put everything on credit and have their children and grandchildren pay for it. Good times.

Posted by: ckelly on February 15, 2006 at 8:45 PM | PERMALINK

Round Eight:

"Interesting little article here. It says that the average human being only uses seventeen percent of his brain. You realize what that means? We don't use a full sixty-four percent."

rdw or Cliff Clavin? You decide!

Posted by: Stefan on February 15, 2006 at 9:17 PM | PERMALINK

If it were to show the 10 fasest growing states were red states would that suggest anything?

Absolutely. It would suggest that as manufacturing jobs in blue states are being relocated overseas that people are moving to red states where the cost of living and housing is significantly lower.

At least, that's what's happening in Michigan.

Posted by: Windhorse on February 15, 2006 at 10:41 PM | PERMALINK

There's a bigger surprise for the White House: There's a way to force the Congress to investigate, even if they don't want to: [ Click ]

Posted by: Constant on February 15, 2006 at 11:09 PM | PERMALINK

It would also suggest that these places are about to go blue. Or bluer.

Except they're not going blue. They've been getting redder. Florida was tied in 2000. In 2002 jeb won by 14% and in 2004 GWB won Florida easily. GA went GOP in 2002 for the 1st time in over 100 years. GWB carried the south by much wider margins than in 2000.

Posted by: rdw on February 16, 2006 at 6:40 AM | PERMALINK

Absolutely. It would suggest that as manufacturing jobs in blue states are being relocated overseas that people are moving to red states where the cost of living and housing is significantly lower.

Except the jobs Michigan is losing are centered around the auto and other heavily unionized industries. Yet foreign car makers in the south are booming and expanding rapidly.

The economy is adding jobs at a rate of 229K a month and that includes Michigan. The unemployment rate is 4.7% and falling.

Check this out:

The American labor movement suffered another blow today as more unions left the AFL-CIO, citing ineffective management, a lack of focus on organizing, and bloated budgets. Over a million members will leave the tottering alliance, leaving the union movement more politically fractured than ever:

This is just another disaster for Democrats. Many union members are furious they spend so much time on politics and keep losing.

Posted by: rdw on February 16, 2006 at 6:45 AM | PERMALINK

ckelly,

Republicans have always been happier. It comes natural. Think Reagan. How could anyone thinking their country has been the worlds eyesore since 1968 posibly be happy living here?

You think our soldiers are war criminals I think they're heroes. I am geniunely proud of them and their efforts. I have a 20 Ft flag pole I place with pride on my lawn that gives me joy every time I look at it. How could you possibly be happy?

It really bothers you the French are unhappy with America. I am genuinely pleased. I honest;y think they've been getting it wrong about every thing for at least the last 100 years. How could you possibly be happy?

I am thrilled to be an American. You want to apologize. How could you possibly be happy.

My feelings don't change with the party in office. Clinton was sleeze. America was still the greatest nation on God green earth.

I could never be a liberal. I enjoy life.

Posted by: rdw on February 16, 2006 at 6:55 AM | PERMALINK

George Will, despite being a pompous ass at times, is nevertheless a true conservative. And I am sure he hates the fact that he is now mentioned in the same breath as boot-lickers and dimwits like Goldberg and Coulter. As a conservative he is naturally against the domestic spying scandal, as any real conservative would be. From his latest column:

"But, then, perhaps no future president will ask for such congressional involvement in the gravest decision government makes -- going to war. Why would future presidents ask, if the present administration successfully asserts its current doctrine? It is that whenever the nation is at war, the other two branches of government have a radically diminished pertinence to governance, and the president determines what that pertinence shall be. This monarchical doctrine emerges from the administration's stance that warrantless surveillance by the National Security Agency targeting American citizens on American soil is a legal exercise of the president's inherent powers as commander in chief, even though it violates the clear language of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which was written to regulate wartime surveillance."

Posted by: Botecelli on February 16, 2006 at 7:23 AM | PERMALINK

Sorry, Will is not against the "scandal" but against domestic spying wo a warrant

Posted by: Botecelli on February 16, 2006 at 7:30 AM | PERMALINK

#1: "I thought you said your dog does not bite!"

#2: "It is not my dog"

Posted by: Ben Merc on February 16, 2006 at 9:00 AM | PERMALINK

'I could never be a liberal. I enjoy life.'
--rdw

Ignorance is bliss.

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on February 16, 2006 at 9:47 AM | PERMALINK

Stephen Kriz at 9:47 AM:

Game. Set. Match.

Posted by: Gregory on February 16, 2006 at 9:49 AM | PERMALINK

Round Seven:

"I have a potato that looks like Richard Milhous Nixon."

rdw or Cliff Clavin? You make the call!

Posted by: Stefan

Drat and blast!
Can't play this game. Didn't own a functioning tv during the run of this sitcom. I had a dead one with a copy of "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" sitting on top which I referred to as 'Conceptualist Art".

My grant submission for funding was denied, however.

I do have a nifty pix of 'Darth Tater' for which I unfortunately lack a URL but it can probably be found on those portions of Google not currently being reviewed by China.

Posted by: CFShep on February 16, 2006 at 9:57 AM | PERMALINK

Just a general question, here - does being "happy" make you misspell common words, or is it the other way around? I'm pretty sure that Clinton was a "sleaze" who should have used a "condom", but I'm literate yet unhappy, so what do I know?

And is short-sighted, pollyanna denial really the same thing as happiness?

Maybe RDW can help clarify.

Posted by: DH Walker on February 16, 2006 at 10:21 AM | PERMALINK

Red State happiness:

Happiness is the perpetual possession of being well deceived. Jonathan Swift

Posted by: CFShep on February 16, 2006 at 10:37 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe RDW can help clarify.

Happiness is the perpetual possession of being well deceived. Jonathan Swift

Do you mean the GOP doesn't own the WH, Senate, House and Supreme Court?

Are you telling me Sam Alito is liberal?

Damn, I have been deceived.

Posted by: rdw on February 16, 2006 at 11:11 AM | PERMALINK

American Research Group has an interesting batch of polling on Presidential match-ups in New England between Hillary Clinton and John McCain in New England: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

In Maine, McCain leads Clinton 46%-42%
In New Hampshire, McCain leads Clinton 52%-32%
In Vermont, McCain leads Clinton 47%-38%
In Massachusetts, McCain leads Clinton 48%-39%
In Connecticut, Clinton leads McCain 49%-39%
In Rhode Island, McCain leads Clinton 44%-40%

Maybe this is why I am happy.

Screw up 2008 and you will be in the wilderness for a long time. The 2010 census will transfer at least 7 electoral votes from blue states to red states.

Can you imagine what the Supreme court, and federal courts, will look like after 16 years of GWB and deeply pro-life McCain?

Posted by: rdw on February 16, 2006 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

Round Nine:

"It's a little known fact that cows were domesticated in Mesopotamia and were also used in China as guard animals for the forbidden city."

rdw or Cliff Clavin? You make the call!

Posted by: Stefan on February 16, 2006 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK

Republicans have always been happier.

Really? Really?!

That is funny, because when I hear Rush Limbaugh I'm just not picking up that vibe, even with all the oxycontin he is doing.

Dr. Laura - does she sound happy to you? She caused me to learn the meaning of the word 'hectoring.'

And who are those guys going on and on about the decline in American moral values? They don't seem too happy about that.

If by 'happy' you mean crabby and afraid and angry then I guess I could see your point.

Posted by: Tripp on February 16, 2006 at 11:52 AM | PERMALINK

That is funny, because when I hear Rush Limbaugh I'm just not picking up that vibe, even with all the oxycontin he is doing.

And just listen to Bill "Hey little girl, you ever seen one of these before?" O'Reilly if you want to hear a happy, happy man....

Posted by: Stefan on February 16, 2006 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

rdw,

I know that used to being told what you think, how you feel etc - Rush puts words in your mouth and tells you what to think - but please, don't try to tell me what I think, how I feel or what I want and believe based on Rush's script.

Posted by: ckelly on February 16, 2006 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK

Now go easy on them. They are all critical to the vast right wing conspiracy. How else would we have gotten control of the WH, Senate, House and SC?

Posted by: rdw on February 16, 2006 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

How would you even know it's the Rush script?

In fact I am not interested in converting you. I am here to soak up the brilliance, the nuance, to find out how the world really works. I come here to learn from you.

There is one thing I must say I'll never understand and remain quite baffled by. It is a trait shared by virtually all liberals, all over the country. No matter your heritage or your circumstances liberals know with unflinching certainty they are morally and intellectually superior or any and all conservatives.

It's a slam dunk. It just isn't close. It's that clear.

For a long time I could not figure this out. I mean how could a group be so obviously intellectually superior be such a consistent loser at the same time. I think they call that a conundrum

Finally I figured it out while reading about the bird flue and the start of spring training.

An evil, sinister disease has jumped species. You have Phillies fever. For about 45 years now I've looked forward to the start of spring training and the beginning of the Phillies run to the world series. At some point in my youth I drank the kool-aid and have been infected ever since. I know 2006 is the year. Just as I did in 2005, 2004, 2003....

You have liberal fever. You know this is your year. This is the year the masses recognize the obvious truth tha's been in front of their eyes all long. This is the year liberals are restored to their rightful heritage as rulers of the USA and as the beacon for the world.

I have it marked down in my calendar!


Posted by: rdw on February 16, 2006 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

rdw: Do you mean the GOP doesn't own the WH, Senate, House and Supreme Court?

So, your thinking is:

Step 1: Get GOP in control of everything
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit!

How exactly does step 2 work again? Especially since step 3 really involves long-term structural damage to the economy, lower real wages, less international credibility, weakened domestic security, a nuclear Iran (and North Korea), torture, warantless spying, and on and on and on.

Are you really trying to suggest that conservatives, as a rule, are way too dishonest to see any of these things as negative in any way? Or are you just too much of a cretin to give a damn about any of it?

Posted by: DH Walker on February 16, 2006 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

DH,

Chill out. You've been reading the MSM exclusively and you just can't do that. Of course you think the planet is going to hell. What else could you think?

The economy is fabulous. We are in our strongest growth spurt in over 20 years and it's gaining strength. Domestic and global growth is amazingly well balanced and on unusually sound footing. All of the nations which were economic basket cases in 1997 are doing well. China and India seem to be on a consistent growth path of 9% and 7% respectively and our economic partnership is growing solidly. The US is no longer alone as the worlds economic locomotive and the world is far less dependent on EU growth for stability and strength.

It's not only good, it's getting better.

As far as global respect it's actually increasing subtantially. I realize you are depressed the French are unhappy with us but I've got to tell you this is a 200-yr old habit of theirs. And if I might hazard a guess, you are no longer a teenager. Speaking for myself I stopped doing thing based on what someone else thought a long, long time go.

We know our respect level is fine because our threat level is low. The President of Iran wanted Jacques to know he has a supply of missles to reach Europe because he knows the European are easily threatened. He saw Saddam crawl out of his maggot hole and getting checked for fleas. He was those were French soldiers or French doctors with Saddam. He knows Jacques has neither the will nor the means to fight back. He knows George has plenty of both.

Hugo is said to be certain GWB is anxious to come after him. And he's quick to tell everyone. It's of course nonsense for his political base at home but could you imagine him suggesting such a thing regarding the Europeans? That's an obviously laughable notion.

What you need to do is watch Condi's and Robert Zoellicks travels. Condi just announced the most dramatic realignment of the State Dept since WWII. Both have been quite busy touring the world talking trade and diplomacy. They just don't get to Europe. Nothing is happening there. Bush meet with the President of Columbia today to hammer out a free trade deal as well as other issues. Next month George travels to India where trade and defense and the Asian-Pacific partnership will be on the agenda. He may stop in South Korea having recently started Free Trade talks there. Of course Indonesia and Malayasia could be on the iteniary.

GWB is the opposite of WJC. Slick Willie had a major announcement every day. GWB is actually busy every day. He has completed 6 Free Trade deals and is working on another dozen. The MSM isn't reporting it but it's happening just the same.

Posted by: rdw on February 16, 2006 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Here's a clip from Mark Steyn explaining why Condi is transferring 80% of the State Depts European staff to the midle east and asia. It also explains why Rummy removed 90% of our troops permanently and why we need to disengage.

Nippon is the most geriatric jurisdiction on the planet, and the rising sun has now passed into the next phase of its long sunset: net population loss. Last year was the first since records began with more deaths than births. The worlds other elderly societies have complicating factors: In Europe, the successor population is already in place Islam and the only question is how bloody the transfer of real estate will be

The shame of it is that it's getting worse. Not only are European birth rates STILL falling but countries like Denmark and the Netherlands are seeing a net emigration of their European populations for the 1st time in 50 years.

My guess is the cartoon story will be the year's dominant news story in Europe. They see what's coming.

Posted by: rdw on February 16, 2006 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK

Rdw: "The economy is fabulous."

Whose economy?
Yours?
I guess if you're rich, and have investments in energy companies...yeah, the economy is fabulous.

but if you and your significant other are working schmucks banging out 9.00/hr so you can pay rent, feed the kids, and maybe, just maybe buy something other than macaroni and cheese for dinner...uh, not so good.

Posted by: sheerahkahn on February 16, 2006 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

Well, Kevin, it looks like we lost the Republic, and we're bed-side witnesses to the birth of an empire.

Posted by: sheerahkahn on February 16, 2006 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

but if you and your significant other are working schmucks banging out 9.00/hr

If that's the case in a 4.7% economy the 1st thing is to get into drug rehab and/or get that high school diploma.

Posted by: rdw on February 16, 2006 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

rdw: Speaking for myself I stopped doing thing based on what someone else thought a long, long time go.

That's not even the slightest bit true. Every single thing you go on to say is just a pile of talking points spoon-fed to you by whichever conservative cult leader you happen to follow (and unless I miss my guess, it's Limbaugh). You're doing exactly what Limbaugh (or whoever) wants you to do.

I honestly could care less about the French, your narrow-minded knee-jerk assumptions (again, thanks Rush!) aside. But I'm mature enough to know that opinions you happen to like aren't the same things as actual facts. Instead of a lot of ridiculously wishful thinking, you'd do a lot better to actually educate yourself by reading a little (and if nothing else, reading might actually help you improve your spelling). Krugman, for instance, has actual economic expertise - Limbaugh is a failed sports announcer, for cryin' out loud.

And something else - if you really are as dishonest (and therefore amoral) as your posts suggest, then isn't it possible that all the liberals you've met consider themselves to be morally superior to you because they actually are morally superior to you? And if you actually believe all the silly nonsense you quote above, then maybe they are intellectually superior to you? I mean, you're obviously upset that they think so, but I'm certainly convinced it isn't true.

Posted by: DH Walker on February 16, 2006 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

rdw, "They've been getting redder. Florida was tied in 2000. In 2002 jeb won by 14% and in 2004 GWB won Florida easily. GA went GOP in 2002 for the 1st time in over 100 years."


You're bragging about two of the most notoriously corrupted elections in US history? The Diebold revolution?

The problems in the auto industry in Michigan are the result of the incompetent management of their executives, who as a class, are about 99% Republican. If people are fleeing Michigan due to the drawback of the local auto industry, they're fleeing the corrupt and stupid incompetence of Republican executives.

"The economy is adding jobs at a rate of 229K a month and that includes Michigan."
--you must reread before you post. Michigan cannot be gaining and losing net jobs at the same time. Though, as the Republican personality is a kind of mental retardation centering around the phenomenon of cognitive dissonance, I see how this can make sense to you.

"Do you mean the GOP doesn't own the WH, Senate, House and Supreme Court?"
--'own it' is the operative phrase here --you do not own it legitimately, that's the beef. This temporary political primacy has been achieved through fraud, corruption and deceipt, and through nothing else at all.


"In fact I am not interested in converting you. I am here to soak up the brilliance, the nuance, to find out how the world really works. I come here to learn from you."
--But you give the impression you're here to masturbate; you don't contribute anything, and everything you say is in support of fantasy. Like all Republicans you're a stupid, ugly and parasitic worm.

Posted by: cld on February 16, 2006 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK

Krugman is a fool.

He was once a smart economist who went whackado over politics. He's the classic Bush hater. Everything flows from getting Bush.

If you are a liberal you do care about the French. Not specifically but the opinions the Europeans have of the USA is important. That's assinine. Even thinking about it is assinine. We should do the right thing because we think it's the right thing. There's no poll.

I don't get to listen to Limbaugh often and I find him very uneven. If I am in the car I'll turn him on. If he's ranting I turn him off. When something interesting is happening he is quite good. His political insights are 2nd to none. The strength of conservative talk radio is the breadth. Bill Bennett, Laura Ingraham and Michael Medved are outstanding. Hannity has good guests but rants by himself and I never watch his TV show. Glenn Beck, Hugh Hewlitt and Tony Snow are quite good. The conservative blogs are invaluable in providing solid information and for guest they have an army of columnists and think tank experts to select from.

Why they're so effective is partly because they educate people like me but moreso because they've destroyed people like Dan Rather and have killed the NY Times, most of their columnists and many other papers. They got used to not doing their homework. They get hung now.

Posted by: rdw on February 16, 2006 at 5:54 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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