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February 21, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

PROGRESSIVE LEGISLATIVE ACTION NETWORK....In a cover article in the current issue of In These Times titled "Forget D.C.the Battle is in the States," Nathan Newman and David Sirota write about the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative membership group focused on state legislators:

ALEC claims more than 2,400 state lawmakers as members roughly one-third of all state legislators and has become one of the critical fulcrums of conservative power in the United States.

....In 2004 alone, 1,108 ALEC model bills were introduced and 178 were enacted into law, a legislative assault that ALEC and its conservative allies have been repeating year after year. Given the prominence of its legislative supporters 34 state speakers of the house, 25 state senate presidents, 31 state senate leaders and 33 state house leaders are ALEC members this success is hardly surprising.

Read the whole thing to get the rest of the story (or read the full report the article is based on here). Basically, Nathan and David argue that state and local politics are often more important than national politics (see here and here for some recent examples), but that progressive legislators often don't have the policy and analysis tools available to them that ALEC makes available to conservatives. They aim to change that with a new group called the Progressive Legislative Action Network, and it sounds like a helluva good idea to me. If you want to get involved, click here.

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Whoa! Slow down, Kev.

Posted by: craigie on February 21, 2006 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

Other than leading the way in writing blogs that only we ourselves read, is there any area where liberals are more organized than conservatives?

Posted by: reino on February 21, 2006 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

Whoa! Slow down, Kev.

But we thought you said you were so much smarter than we.

Posted by: shortstop on February 21, 2006 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK
is there any area where liberals are more organized than conservatives?

No, the authoritarian ideology has a much stronger top-down organization in all areas.

This, to some people, is persistently surprising, which itself never ceases to baffle me.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 21, 2006 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK

This, to some people, is persistently surprising, which itself never ceases to baffle me.

It's not that we're surprised. It's just that we like to deny this reality in a disorganized, milling-to-and-fro, all-talking-at-once fashion.

Posted by: shortstop on February 21, 2006 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

"No, the authoritarian ideology has a much stronger top-down organization in all areas."

The liberals are disadvantaged as they have no means to get their message out other than lonely little Air America, while conservatives have corporate mouthpieces such as: NY Times, CBS News, NPR, CNN, PBS, Newsweek, etc...

Posted by: Freedom Fighter on February 21, 2006 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK

The ALEC was founded 25 years ago. Some of the influence cited may be due to hard work and time.

The ALEC annual income is about 5 million dollars (from their 2000 report). The annual expenses for People for the American Way (just to pick one at random) is about four times that.

I hardly think the progressive point of view goes sadly unrepresented in this country.

Posted by: tbrosz on February 21, 2006 at 5:14 PM | PERMALINK

Did tbrosz just fall down and hit his head? Or is that a fake?

Posted by: craigie on February 21, 2006 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

What does PFAW actually do -- besides waging losing campaigns against Supreme Court nominees. Are the actually successful at anything? Can anybody tell me?

Let's hope that PLAN is far better than those clowns at PFAW.

Posted by: b on February 21, 2006 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK

Nevermind - I just misread his post. I missed the word "hardly" in the last line.

But we thought you said you were so much smarter than we.

Sure, but I also said it ain't easy. Pedant!

Posted by: craigie on February 21, 2006 at 5:27 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks, Kevin, for this post. Now time to get involved.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on February 21, 2006 at 5:29 PM | PERMALINK

The liberals are disadvantaged as they have no means to get their message out other than lonely little Air America, while conservatives have corporate mouthpieces such as: NY Times, CBS News, NPR, CNN, PBS, Newsweek, etc...

You think this is sarcasm, but I think it's pretty accurate. Just because they write editorials against the death penalty doesn't seem to stop them from printing press releases from Rove as "news".

Posted by: craigie on February 21, 2006 at 5:29 PM | PERMALINK

State legislators are usually very conservative. I think that is why the 21st Amendment was put up for a vote through state conventions rather than state legislatures.

State legislators are usually very conservative, which is why conservatives want states to be able to make laws that interfere with individuals' rights, rather than have the constitution protect those rights nationally.

Posted by: Hostile on February 21, 2006 at 5:31 PM | PERMALINK

There is some kind of unconscious feeling among leftists that organizing with explicitly legislative intention like that is wrong, or not-true, that it's un-democratic.

Posted by: cld on February 21, 2006 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

Keep telling yourselves that; it's not the message, it's the limited venues to broadcast that message, right. I guess the enormous budgets of the MSM and moveon.org weren't sufficient so now we'll pour more money into a venture that has proven successful for the conservatives? Try tweaking the message, not the forums. If only there were more funerals where that message could resonate.

Posted by: Jay on February 21, 2006 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK

"Nathan and David argue that state and local politics are often more important than national politics"

-jeebus-I've only been pushing that idea in comments here for like, two years! If I only had thousands of radio stations at my disposal...

Posted by: URK on February 21, 2006 at 6:25 PM | PERMALINK

Well, URK, I'm not as glamorous as a radio station, but I've been listening, and generally agreeing, with you.

Posted by: shortstop on February 21, 2006 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK
There is some kind of unconscious feeling among leftists that organizing with explicitly legislative intention like that is wrong, or not-true, that it's un-democratic.

Well, usually, in practice, it is. But there is no reason such organizations have to be top-down direction, they can be genuinely responsive. The problem is that that is organizationally more difficult to do with meaningful and effective participation; autocracy is inherently simpler than democracy.

To that end, PLAN would do well to feature their feedback information and form more prominently. I'd like to see it as part of the contribute link to underline two-participation.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 21, 2006 at 6:32 PM | PERMALINK

cld:

There is some kind of unconscious feeling among leftists that organizing with explicitly legislative intention like that is wrong, or not-true, that it's un-democratic.

I hope that was a joke. If not, maybe the haloes around here are getting a bit too tight.

Posted by: tbrosz on February 21, 2006 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK

tbrosz,

Never met a liberal in your life.

Posted by: cld on February 21, 2006 at 6:44 PM | PERMALINK

Did tbrosz just fall down and hit his head? Or is that a fake?
Posted by: craigie on February 21, 2006 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

heh - the fake-to-real ratio is so high here lately, that it's hard to tell anymore. But then again, even the real tbrosz is a fake conservative.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on February 21, 2006 at 6:44 PM | PERMALINK

So Kevin, name one place in the world where socialism make a nation a better place to live?

Socialism doesn't work. Socialism is racisit, greedy philosophy.
Kevin, you have shit for brians and that is why you don't understand it.

Posted by: Chaufist on February 21, 2006 at 7:26 PM | PERMALINK

thanks shortstop you are more glamorous than any radio station.

Posted by: URK on February 21, 2006 at 7:33 PM | PERMALINK

Never met a liberal in your life.

Yeah, they're kind of hard to find here in Northern California.

The end result of "progressive" political victory would be a nation run just like the City of San Francisco.

Posted by: tbrosz on February 21, 2006 at 7:43 PM | PERMALINK

chaufist, what exactly are brians?

Posted by: mudwall jackson on February 21, 2006 at 7:49 PM | PERMALINK
chaufist, what exactly are brians?

I'm guessing they tend to be racisit, whatever that is.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 21, 2006 at 7:55 PM | PERMALINK

I spelt brains wrong.
Now answer my question.
BTW: Where does the Canadian Government leadership go for medical treatment? Hint: Its not that great, one payer, universal health care paradise of Canada.

Posted by: Chaufist on February 21, 2006 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK
Now answer my question.

Your question is irrelevant. "Socialism" isn't what this thread is about.

That being said, there are many places where elements of socialism have improved conditions for most people. One example that should be familiar to most people here is the United States of America, where a number of socialist ideas -- from labor rights to a national pension program, among others -- have been adopted and dealt well, even if incompletely, with problems that were much more severe before the socialist ideas were implemented.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 21, 2006 at 8:06 PM | PERMALINK
BTW: Where does the Canadian Government leadership go for medical treatment? Hint: Its not that great, one payer, universal health care paradise of Canada.

Your evidence that the Canadian government leadership, in general, seeks treatment outside of Canada is...where?

(And, even if it were true, what would it prove? That other places may have better healthcare for the narrow slice that is the most powerful elite for whom out of pocket expense is no object?)

Posted by: cmdicely on February 21, 2006 at 8:09 PM | PERMALINK

cmdicely, are you a libertarian plant, because I can't believe they're people in this that stupid and can still type.
"national pension program", social security is the biggest ripoff the Federal government has ever done. When it was implemented, the average age was less than 65 so it was based on less than half being dead before they could collect penny one.
Unfortunately, your not a plant, you are that stupid. A real schmuck.

Posted by: Chaufist on February 21, 2006 at 8:13 PM | PERMALINK

get back under your bridge, troll

Posted by: cleek on February 21, 2006 at 8:30 PM | PERMALINK

Terry Josiah. Nice, name. Giggle.

Posted by: Pat on February 21, 2006 at 9:03 PM | PERMALINK

Chaufist on February 21, 2006 at 8:02 PM

I spelt brains wrong.

You spelled 'spelled' wrong as well. Your brians must be scrambled.

Now answer my question. Name one place in the world where socialism make a nation a better place to live?

It was off topic, but since I'm going to link to an off-topic article here in a sec, I'll humor you...The United States of America! Yes, minimum wage laws, Social Security, public education are all socialist ideas that makes our nation a good place to live!

What's my prize? If it's 'Slippery Santorum'-flavored ice cream, you can keep it...

Where does the Canadian Government leadership go for medical treatment?

Where country are people starting to buy their prescription drugs from? Hint: It's the same country the Windsor Ballet calls home...

Now for some real fun...Anyone remember Chaufist from, say, 2004? Here's a Chaufist sample I Googled:

A revolting person name of Chaufist@aol.com sent me this is a private email. Apparently he didn't care to display his writing to all of you, knowing how he must have that it's "objectionable". I post it here. Anyone on AOL, please report him to standards.

---Original Message-----

From: Chaufist@aol.com [mailto:Chaufist@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:12 PM
To:
Subject: Gore

You are a dumb cunt. Gore is a loser. It is idiots like you that were to stupid to figure out how to punch a card, is the reason Gore lost. And thank god.
He is a schmuck. He had that election won but he was too stupid to keep his mouth shut. Did you give him a blow job? Is that why you gave him a good review? All Gore woman are sluts. I have learned that the good way. But the down side is, they are dumb.

'Revolting Person'...How apropos.

Now here's that off-topic link I mentined earlier in this comment, if anyone's interested.

Motorcyclists Roll to Soldier Funerals
They call themselves the Patriot Guard Riders, and they are more than 5,000 strong, forming to counter anti-gay protests held by the Rev. Fred Phelps at military funerals.
Phelps believes American deaths in Iraq are divine punishment for a country that he says harbors homosexuals. His protesters carry signs thanking God for so-called IEDs explosives that are a major killer of soldiers in Iraq.
The bikers shield the families of dead soldiers from the protesters, and overshadow the jeers with patriotic chants and a sea of red, white and blue flags.

Just sharing...

Posted by: grape_crush on February 21, 2006 at 9:15 PM | PERMALINK

PLAN is going to work about as well as Air America. You have to have real ideas to promote and some kind of game plan that resonates with the voters. Bush hatred, baseless criticism and unending whining at every turn has gotten you Dumbercrats nothing but losses at the ballot box. I love it!

Posted by: Fat White Guy on February 21, 2006 at 10:03 PM | PERMALINK

If you mean we are getting progressively more legislation from these folks, then the name fits.

Posted by: Matt on February 21, 2006 at 10:07 PM | PERMALINK

As long as you have stupidities like Oregon being allowed to kill old people to save life support money and California deciding the executing of a guy who raped and murdered a girl by hitting her 20+ times with a hammer, I don't think you guys have much chance.

Issues like that really grab anyone who hasn't had his sense of morality burnt out by excessive Green/Red/Atheist/Gay indocrination.

Funny if this generation's liberalism loses the Democrats:

The House
The Senate
The Presidency
The Courts
The Non-major Media

Then adds local government to the list.

Honestly, Hitler must have had an opposition like you to help him rise to power. You guys are just so fucking whiney and irrational - that anything seems better.

Posted by: McA on February 21, 2006 at 10:19 PM | PERMALINK

guys are just so fucking whiney and irrational

said the irrational whiner. say, are you even American ?

Posted by: cleek on February 21, 2006 at 10:25 PM | PERMALINK

are you even American ?

Posted by: cleek on February 21, 2006 at 10:25 PM | PERMALINK

No. Yuck! Malaysian Citizen but working in Asia.
Have lived in the States though.

Posted by: McA on February 21, 2006 at 10:40 PM | PERMALINK

This is a great idea I've seen on a number of blogs.
Liberal message infrastructure is on a growth trend.
This is a natural response to conservative consolidation of the federal government. Threatened, we adapt.

It's also a natural response for parties in power to fragment - as is happening to Bush Republicanism right now - and parties out of power to consolidate -
this is taking a while with us, but the infrastructure here will become the loudest voice that moves liberals towards a more unified stance.
Except the politicians, who will continue to triangulate to death.

PLEDGE
Disagreeing factually, not with names.
Ignoring trolls and hostiles.
Not contributing to bullshit flame wars.
Why not try it yourself?

Posted by: glasnost on February 21, 2006 at 10:42 PM | PERMALINK

Is that troll blood in the water?

Ah, yes.

The blood of blog thread trolls has been spilling all over the Washington Monthly. It is not blood, not the thing that keeps animals alive. It is slime, oozing from pores.

Hello, Jay.

Hello Chaufist.

McAristotle--how's that bowl haircut?

Do you know what a reckoning is?

A reckoning is here.

Scream, trolls. Scream for mercy now. You may not get the chance in the next few days...


Scream...

Posted by: Pale Rider on February 21, 2006 at 10:56 PM | PERMALINK

Jay--filthy racist.

Jay Shaver.

Hello. Are you there? Are you still trying to live down your 'kill all Muslim cockroaches' comment and the filthy hate speech that you have spewed for months? Do you love seeing minorities put in their place? Are you forgetting that Pale Rider knows the story of 'Jay' better than 'Jay' knows his own story and his own history?

Where is the filth merchant Cheney, spammer of threads and spewer of lies?

Where is McAristotle, Malaysian of Chinese descent, goofy idiot in a crisp, white linen suit, bamboo cane shoved up his ass? So sorry, was that racist? Pale Rider has lived in Asia and knows better.

Where are my trolls, children? Where are they? Pale Rider is smelling them, rank and unwashed. The delightful shortstop says they have been covered in flopsweat lately. Powerful friends have been fighting trolls with great bravery and they need a humble Pale Rider to cheer them on as they beat trolls and make wonderful posts.

I am in awe of the fine work done by so many, but tired of reading trolls spewing filth and horror and shilling for lies.

Scream trolls...


Scream for mercy now.

Posted by: Pale Rider on February 21, 2006 at 11:04 PM | PERMALINK

McAristotle--how's that bowl haircut?

Posted by: Pale Rider on February 21, 2006 at 10:56 PM | PERMALINK

Fitting quite well thank you. How's the gay porn star nickname going for you.

Must be tough being a white power advocate. Blacks are better hung and Asians have better math. You have to make good hair the basis for superiority.

Posted by: McA on February 21, 2006 at 11:07 PM | PERMALINK

McAsspounder,

Nothing pale about what I ride.

Of course, if you knew anything about culture--and clearly, your ignorance keeps you from realizing what a ridiculous ass you are--you'd know that Asians can't drive.

I'm curious--you're the most racist crybaby bedwetter of all the trolls. You regularly beat Malaysians who spill your tea and you are often caught stealing their money in your little financial day-trading snake pit.

What does it take to buy off Malaysia's regulators? How much money do you have to give the regulators and the investigators to keep them out of your locked room full of chubby little love slaves?

What is the going rate for a shithead like you? Who owns you? How'd they buy you and your friends?

My guess is, you ain't worth a wooden nickel.

Posted by: Pale Rider on February 21, 2006 at 11:12 PM | PERMALINK

white power advocate.

You're the only advocate for continued white power, McAsspounder.

Or did you forget to equate your work as a shill for the Bush Administration, bankrupt conservatism, et al? Did you forget how they use their white power to trick fools like you into doing the bidding of a powerful master who owns you?

Are you worth anything? Did that wooden nickel gain value when you day traded your way out of the hole the other day by screwing someone's livelihood?

Posted by: Pale Rider on February 21, 2006 at 11:14 PM | PERMALINK

you'd know that Asians can't drive.

Posted by: Pale Rider on February 21, 2006 at 11:12 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, what a feeling..Toyota! Guess they only export those then. Or perhaps we have tiny white drivers hiding under the hood.

Pretty stupid of them overtaking GM in America when there's no domestic market for that sort thing.

-------------

by screwing someone's livelihood?

Posted by: Pale Rider on February 21, 2006 at 11:14 PM | PERMALINK

Nothing personal. But if I could screw yours, I would. You selling your ass ring in old age to pay off your bills then?

Well, too bad you didn't learn to save while you were in Asia.

Posted by: McA on February 21, 2006 at 11:22 PM | PERMALINK

Now, now, Pale. McA's just feeling cross because the millions Mahathir Mohamad gave to Abramoff turned out to be not quite enough.

Good to see you back!

Posted by: shortstop on February 21, 2006 at 11:40 PM | PERMALINK

Nathan Newman? Defender of racial separatist groups? (It's OK! They're a "progressive" racial separatist group!)

David Sirota? Smearer of Paul Hackett?

Patriotic progressives might want to look before they leap.

What you don't know

Posted by: TLB on February 21, 2006 at 11:50 PM | PERMALINK
PLAN is going to work about as well as Air America.

Air America is working well, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 22, 2006 at 12:22 AM | PERMALINK

McA's just feeling cross because the millions Mahathir Mohamad gave to Abramoff turned out to be not quite enough.

Posted by: shortstop on February 21, 2006 at 11:40 PM | PERMALINK

Y'know, an honest politician would stay bought...

Funny thing is in domestic Malaysian politics, the expense is being questioned but not because it was shady, its being questioned 'cos Abramoff is Joo-ish.

Posted by: McA on February 22, 2006 at 12:28 AM | PERMALINK
As long as you have stupidities like Oregon being allowed to kill old people to save life support money

Oregon isn't allowed to kill old people for that purpose.

Sick people in Oregon may be allowed to kill themselves if they chose, but that's not the same thing.

But you don't seem to be able to grasp the difference between doing something voluntarily and having the state impose it on you.

and California deciding the executing of a guy who raped and murdered a girl by hitting her 20+ times with a hammer, I don't think you guys have much chance.

Presumably, you mean "delaying", not "deciding". But California didn't choose that, a US federal judge (who is not part of the California state government) required supervision by licensed medical personnel, and none were willing to perform the required task, forcing California to delay the execution.

Of course, noted left-winger Kenneth Starr has been championing Morales cause...

Issues like that really grab anyone who hasn't had his sense of morality burnt out by excessive Green/Red/Atheist/Gay indocrination.

Coming from someone who clearly has had their sense of reality burnt out by excessive Bushist indoctrination, that means oh so much.

Perhaps you should get some idea of what the facts are before you try to lecture the group here on the moral implications you think they have. If nothing else, it would give you at least a slight scrap of credibility.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 22, 2006 at 12:33 AM | PERMALINK

wow-I check out for a few hours on a nice little thread about local organization and strategy, and come back to Pale Rider challenging all trolls to the mother of all cage death matches, verbal stylee! Nice to have you back dude-if you keep the ignoramuses all busy over here, maybe the rest of the non-troll population can have a nice conversation on the next thread.

Posted by: URK on February 22, 2006 at 12:39 AM | PERMALINK

Yeah, it's pretty impressive how cmdicely and Pale can handle a whole army of lame-brains.

All you wing nuts, especially T-Bras, the reason you imagine that you're "on the winning side" for a change is because the rich jerks have fooled you into supporting them. You must feel like real kings, rather then the losers you are.

And you think the Republican party stands for conservative values.. LOL.

Well, the Republican party only stands for conservative values long enough to kick those values in the ass before picking your pocket!

The Rich Assholes who own the Republican party bought all the media, and then use it to make you think they're "on your side."

What a bunch of fools you are!

When their slash and burn policies and rip-off games come home to roost, they'll have you believing it's all Clinton's fault.

What a great game!

You *can* fool some of the people all of the time,
and those very people are our own trolls.

Now for the Liberals, especially Kevin:

Organization like ALEC and such are easy to build if you've got a lot of money. Stop worrying about what "liberals should do" as if we were talking about two roughly matched armies. We're not.

The rich have damn near always controlled government. We've had ~50 years of decent, kinda-progressive government thanks to some accidents of history. It is NOT the usual, but we've all come to expect it.

What we're seeing now is the USUAL course of things: rich bastards lying and buying media to lie for them, to get you to let them rip you off and get you to like it.

The real liberals are smart workers who know bullshit when they see it, not pseudo-intellectual "players",professional cause addicts and highly-paid media liberal pretenders.

No national politician is truly liberal. There's no sell in it. The last true liberal to try for national office was Adeli Stevenson, and we know what happened to him.

The only thing that will make a genuine improvement and bring about a stop to the endless truckloads of "conservative" bullshit is the inevitable breakdown of the scam.

Or rather, the only thing that *can* make a genuine improvement. It's as likely that the breakdown will lead to irrational mob behaviour ( spurred on by the media provocateurs ) and a witch-hunt on liberals.

'Liberals' are the Jews of American-style facism.

Posted by: Joey Giraud on February 22, 2006 at 1:31 AM | PERMALINK

Perhaps you should get some idea of what the facts are before you try to lecture the group

Posted by: cmdicely on February 22, 2006 at 12:33 AM | PERMALINK

Wouldn't that mean that some of you Orange County liberals might have to go overseas?

Posted by: McA on February 22, 2006 at 1:46 AM | PERMALINK
Wouldn't that mean that some of you Orange County liberals might have to go overseas?

Er, I'm not an Orange County liberal, and, no, often one can get facts by research that doesn't involve personal visits.

And, contrariwise, you can personally visit locations and not gain any substantive knowledge of the politically salient facts.

Posted by: cmdicely on February 22, 2006 at 2:09 AM | PERMALINK

'Liberals' are the Jews of American-style facism.

Posted by: Joey Giraud on February 22, 2006 at 1:31 AM | PERMALINK

No. Jews are good with money.

Posted by: McA on February 22, 2006 at 2:12 AM | PERMALINK

Good point, McA, although smart workers are pretty frugal, they often don't have the profit motivation that many Jews possess.

But my point was wrapped in a metaphor; what Jews and "Liberals" have in common is they're both scapegoats for fools.

It's no surprise you hate "Liberals" so much.

Posted by: Joey Giraud on February 22, 2006 at 2:32 AM | PERMALINK

It's no surprise you hate "Liberals" so much.

Posted by: Joey Giraud on February 22, 2006 at 2:32 AM | PERMALINK

They aided communism with the same sort of crap they are doing now. Want to know why Vietnam is poor? Because of scum like Kerry and the hippy loser generation...

That man swore under oath, the North Vietamese would not persecute the South if the US withdrew.
He's as bad as a holocaust denier.

Posted by: McA on February 22, 2006 at 3:27 AM | PERMALINK

Funny thing is in domestic Malaysian politics, the expense is being questioned but not because it was shady, its being questioned 'cos Abramoff is Joo-ish.

And what's even funnier, our little red underpants wearing resident troll-ette, McAsspounder will spout Bible verses, condemn homosexuality and claim to be the best Christian around.

...except that he now reveals himself to have a slight problem with people of the Hebrew faith and cannot find a single ethical bone in his fragile, opium-stoked body.

The only thing bought and paid for is McAsspounder, and his price was slightly less than thirty pieces of gold.

Posted by: Pale Rider on February 22, 2006 at 7:12 AM | PERMALINK

No. Yuck! Malaysian Citizen but working in Asia.

thought so.

kindly mind your own business.

Posted by: cleek on February 22, 2006 at 7:36 AM | PERMALINK

Ah, cleek...

The business of McAristotle is stealing peoples money and claiming to be the best Christian in Asia. For you see, he will cite the Bible and shove wads of cash into his pants as he runs down all of the reasons why his conservative masters are good to him.

The topic of the thread was 'local politics' and Washington Monthly has some very good writers on local politics.

Mr. Dicely knows California politics rather well.

The esteemed Global Citizen, for one, has mastery over Missouri/Kansas politics.

Secular Animist knows a great deal about local politics in Maryland, I believe.

Grand Moff Texan--politics in the great state of Tejas, fantastic diary over on the DailyKos site the other day.

There are many other great folks--sorry if I'm missing anyone else--who can weigh in on the topic. It is a pity that there are trolls running amok. We have a rich culture here and poor Pale Rider does not want to see it wither away. This is worth fighting little trollbots for.

Posted by: Pale Rider on February 22, 2006 at 7:55 AM | PERMALINK

ALAC is at work in Georgia protecting the car title loan industry. Earl Ehrhart, a Republican from Powder Springs, is carrying their water.

Here is the money quote from the AJC:

Ehrhart's proposal closely tracks the draft version of a model bill provided by the American Legislative Exchange Council, a Washington-based organization of conservative lawmakers and corporate executives. Ehrhart is the immediate past chairman of ALEC's national board of directors.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/0221metpawn.html

Posted by: rwrjr on February 22, 2006 at 9:10 AM | PERMALINK

ALAC is at work in Georgia protecting the car title loan industry

Oh, that's evil! Evil!

Pale Rider has friends who lived in Georgia--title pawning is a evil bitch rolled in satan's BBQ sauce and cooked and served with vicious biscuits of horror.

I won't support anything that apologizes for title pawning or payday loans. This is straight up usury and should be condemned. Of course, you can't get Republicans to condemn usury--they love the thing and want to charge terrible amounts of high interest for everything they do. Nice bankruptcy bill, by the way. ALAC needs to get its head straight and get away from that mess.

See? Excellent info can still be found on this blog. It's toasted and singed with troll fingerprints here and there, but the good stuff always works its way out through the margins.

Thank you, rwrjr. That was good info.

Posted by: Pale Rider on February 22, 2006 at 9:33 AM | PERMALINK

Title pawning is also big in Oregon.

However, the current dustup is over Pay Day Loans - The Oregonian has been instrumental in trying to get the state legislature off it's collective duff and toughen laws against this usery. However, the bills have been blocked by a few pols. So, the Cities of Portland and Gresham are attempting to pass weaker ordinances against this fleecing.

Wouldn't be surprised to learn that ALEC is involved with the recalsicrant pols.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on February 22, 2006 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

I can't stand it when people go, "Hey! You forgot me!" But I feel I should get some credit for patiently correcting the very suburban Steve White's misstatements about politics in Chicago. And all of Illinois.

Posted by: shortstop on February 22, 2006 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

But I feel I should get some credit for patiently correcting the very suburban Steve White's misstatements about politics in Chicago. And all of Illinois.

I thought it was a no-brainer. You rock.

Posted by: Pale Rider on February 22, 2006 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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