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March 5, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

THE LIBERAL TEMPERAMENT....Before I even get started here, let me say up front that I have no idea if Neuropolitics.org is even a remotely credible organization. And since it's a weekend, I don't care. However, I applaud them for taking on one of today's weightiest political questions: Is it really true that liberals like cats and conservatives like dogs?

As you can see from the chart on the right, the answer is a resounding yes. Among women, about 60% of those who identify as very liberal prefer cats, a figure that plummets to 40% among the very conservative. Among men, it goes from 45% to 30%.

The inverse is true for dogs, with preference for canines going up with conservatism except for one odd blip among very conservative women, who have equal preferences. For those of you who demand an explanation for this, here it is (sort of):

So what is driving the Conservative preference for dogs over cats? Is it the dog's pack-oriented nature and prominent submissive behaviors?....Does the Liberal have a stronger aversion to pack-like hierarchical organizations and an attraction to feline-like territorial-based social organization?

Whatever. Personally, I think cats are just more likely to take ruthless advantage of liberals' good nature. Who else would put up with them?

Thirsting for more? Here's what else the Neuropolitics folks claim to have discovered:

  • Liberals are more inclined to believe that the rich and powerful have a negative social value. No surprise there.

  • Among men, conservatives are more active in high school sports. Texas probably skews the results here.

  • Extroverts have a better sense of smell than introverts. This is actually sort of interesting. Also: extroverts tend to be more conservative and more religious.

  • Conservatives like the colors red and dark blue. Liberal men like dark green; liberal women like light blue.

  • Conservatives tend to be morning people. I hate morning people.

  • Among women, conservatives are more likely to be sex-obsessed than liberals. Phyllis Schlafly, come on down!

  • Liberals curse more than conservatives. Of course, we have reason to.

  • Conservatives like beef more than liberals. ("If you eat a lot of beef, do you become more conservative? If you are conservative, do you eat more beef? More to come on this surprising and significant dietary preference.")

  • Liberals are more depressed than conservatives. Gee, I wonder why?

All of this is accompanied by loads and loads of entertaining ev psych explanations. Have fun!

Via TalkLeft.

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So sociobiological explanations necessary. Liberals are more likely to live in urban areas where dogs are less practical to keep. Conservatives are more likely to live in rural/suburban areas where dogs are common pets.

Incidentally, I live in a very liberal area of the city of Memphis- Bush probably lost by 30+ points in my district both times. This particular area, despite being in the city, is very dog-friendly- mostly houses rather than apartments, good nearby parks, etc. Consequently, there are one or more dogs in about 2/3 of the yards here.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on March 5, 2006 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

If I had to guess, I'd say liberals are more likely to live in urban environments that make cats a better choice for a pet.

Posted by: larry birnbaum on March 5, 2006 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

What memphis says. If you live in a city apartment, having a dog is pretty much out. And the apartment-dwellers who have dogs as often as not give dog-lovers a bad name.

Posted by: paul on March 5, 2006 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

what about us catdog people - where do we fit????

Posted by: jim58 on March 5, 2006 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Liberals are more depressed than conservatives. Gee, I wonder why?

Liberals have always been more depressed, even during Democratic administrations. Liberals fall for this GW crap. They actually believe the world could end in a few years if they don't find a way to raise taxes. This time it'll be GW but it coul be anything. There has to be something to save.

Posted by: rdw on March 5, 2006 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

Oops... just saw my misspelling... on the first word, natch. Should be "no sociobiological..." not "so".

Posted by: MJ Memphis on March 5, 2006 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

Pointless - I am a liberal and I prefer dogs. Move on. Next post, please....

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on March 5, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

Well I guess I defy all logic because I'm male, very liberal, live 15 blocks from downtown seattle, and have a 45 lbs Chow Chow (luckly there is a park right across the street - and Chows are about the best urban big/medium size dogs to have because they don't have the same energy/needs as dogs like labs, retrievers etc.)

I've never been much of a cat person, actually disliked them until I dated a girl who had a cat that hed been declawed (contoversial to some I know), but there is nothing worse than being scratched by a cat. I'm comming around on them though, one brave neigborhood cat has taken on befriending my dog, hopefully he wont eat her :)

Posted by: phil on March 5, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

Needless to say, I'd caution against taking this too seriously. However, it appears from the Neuropolitics report that they are reporting strictly preference, not actual ownership. There's still plenty to argue about, but I don't think the urban/suburban/rural divide is quite as critical as it might seem.

Posted by: Kevin Drum on March 5, 2006 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

We've owned both dogs and cats over the years, albeit never at the same time. My family has been cat-oriented for more than a decade now after having a dog for 15 years. BTW, we're liberal iconoclasts.

Posted by: Vincent on March 5, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder what this makes me. I don't like pets, and am a vegetarian to boot.

Posted by: lib on March 5, 2006 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

I live in a six-cat (and zero-dog) family and consider myself middle-of-the-road. Guess that confounds the statistics a bit!

Posted by: Peter on March 5, 2006 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

Which group is more likely to send our men and women into a meat grinder with very little forethought or planning and against warnings that its a bad idea?

Posted by: Ten in Tenn on March 5, 2006 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

So Robert Heinlein was really a closet liberal? His stories strongly suggested that he had little respect for subservient dogs but loved cats because they are co-owners of whatever house they live in. Yet many other things he wrote would seem to color him conservative.

But somehow I don't think a simplistic left-right picture really captures Heinlein.

Posted by: Paul Harder on March 5, 2006 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if anyone has ever commissioned a study to identify the characteristics of people who display an obsessive need to over-define themselves and others.../snark

The Impact of Introversion and Extroversion on Political and Religious Preferences section was fairly interesting, although I wonder if it is more of a chicken-or-the-egg thing.

Posted by: grape_crush on March 5, 2006 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

As for conservatives eating more beef than liberals, is the survey limited to people who eat at least some beef, or are vegetarians included too? If the latter is true, the results are completely unsurprising given the liberal tendencies of most vegetarians.

Posted by: Peter on March 5, 2006 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

"Extroverts have a better sense of smell than introverts."


Introverts are just so in denial.

Posted by: cld on March 5, 2006 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

"Conservatives tend to be morning people."


Hysterical that they've missed something, which is why they imagine the past was so much better.

Posted by: cld on March 5, 2006 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, and here I am, a dog-owning, red-meat-eating liberal, although I do curse a fair amount and am okay with light blue (although I like green & yellow better). And I like cats just fine as well, although I don't have one at the moment.

Come to think of it, the only people who have been bitten pretty seriously by my dog were Republicans. Hmm... maybe I should go buy him a new rawhide bone.

Posted by: latts on March 5, 2006 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

In urban Portland, we feel very fortunate to have been taken in by six cats - they are slowly accepting us into their pride - they do deign to allow us to feed them, clean their boxes and provide some "quality time" at their time of choosing.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on March 5, 2006 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

"Conservatives like beef more than liberals."


Conservatism=some kind of undiagnosed prion disease.

Posted by: cld on March 5, 2006 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

I love both dogs and cats, but keep cats because frankly, they're easier.

With my hectic schedule, walking a dog regularly would be very tough and that's not fair to the dog. The litterbox, OTOH, can be cleaned whenever.

And where does all this leave the folks who keep bunnies, ferrets, or other offbeat pets?

Posted by: fiat lux on March 5, 2006 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

Actually I'm bi-petal, I like cats and dogs. But I'd never vote for a dog for president.

Posted by: cld on March 5, 2006 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

cld-"Introverts are just so in denial."

Well, from the neuropolitics website:

"Extroverts are usually more religious, more likely to literally interpret religious doctrine, more likely to believe in their political party's platforms, more likely to organize themselves into social groups, and more likely to align their beliefs to what other people believe in those same social groups."

Sounds like the extroverts are the ones with a poor grasp on reality.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on March 5, 2006 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

I predict that in the near future, conservatives will be just as depressed as liberals.

Posted by: BatGuano on March 5, 2006 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

I'm a liberal. I keep birds as pets--have done for the last 28 years; never had a cat or a dog, and don't plan to. I lettered in track in high school, and was captain of the cross-country team. I'm a morning person. Many of the other characteristics find my on the liberal side.

So much for stereotypes.

Posted by: Joel on March 5, 2006 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

" . . . find *me* on the liberal side."

Which leads to the next question--who has more typos, libs or cons?

Posted by: Joel on March 5, 2006 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

"But I'd never vote for a dog for president."

That's a shame. One of my dogs was considering a run for office. He has a great bio for it... handsome, son of immigrants, law enforcement background. He'd make an excellent VP candidate as a counterweight to Giuliani on the GOP side.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on March 5, 2006 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

I didn't see anything on how the research was conducted, but if it's surveys taken by self-identifying liberals and conservatives, then all the data point about cursing indicates is that liberals are less likely to lie about how much they curse.

Posted by: Tracy on March 5, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

so liberals are pussies? er, pussy cats, sorry!

:^)

Posted by: travy on March 5, 2006 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

"Come to think of it, the only people who have been bitten pretty seriously by my dog were Republicans. Hmm... maybe I should go buy him a new rawhide bone."

No need- chewing on Republicans is good for their teeth.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on March 5, 2006 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK

I just don't see it. Most dog lovers I know are liberal.

Posted by: Mysticdog on March 5, 2006 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

(a) I'll match my beef-eating penchant against anyone in this country. Anyone.

(b) They massively fucked up the depression one: liberals ADMIT to being depressed more than conservatives. Big difference.

Posted by: cdj on March 5, 2006 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

Also, I betcha a love of dogs over cats speaks to, statistically at least, an inner insecurity/fearfulness of the world. A major traditional use of dogs being for protection and all...

Posted by: cdj on March 5, 2006 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

If weasels, skunks and snakes have and can be presidents and veeps, why can't dogs and/or cats?

Too much integrity?

Posted by: stupid git on March 5, 2006 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

I am a liberal who loves all animals, but cats are my favorite, I think because they purr, but maybe because I only had cats growing up (small yard, lived in a pretty urban area). Also, I swear, am depressed, like light green. But I think I am a morning person, and I am pretty extroverted. How do you define "obsessed with sex"?

Posted by: J.B. on March 5, 2006 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

I love dogs. Our schedule is just too crowded right now to give one its due.

Our cat, as are all cats (and most liberals) is highly self-sufficient. As long as it has enough food and water and a litter box, it's fine by itself for days on end.

Dogs, as is well understood, are fairly labor-intensive, none too bright companions that need a fair amount of training to make social acceptable. Typically, like conservatives, the bigger the dog the bigger the problems. Also like conservatives, they need the nanny-state to watch out for them or they shit in the house, run into the street, and have unprotected sex with the neighbor that leads to unwanted litters and television like Desperate Housewives, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Posted by: JeffII on March 5, 2006 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

Re: Beef eating
Maybe it's because vegetarians and vegans are more likely to be liberals and that skews the numbers a bit.

Posted by: Mo on March 5, 2006 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK

"In contrast, the extroverted brain exhibits more activity in the anterior cingulate, posterior thalamus, temporal lobes, posterior parietal lobe, right insula, and left amygdala. These regions are responsible for real-time sensory processing and rapid resolution of the emotional significance of sensory events.

The introvert is adapting more neural resources involved in behavioral inhibition than the extroverts. In short, the introverted brain is more actively relating current sensory information with memory retrieval systems and planning responsive behavior."

So introverted people, and liberals, are more self-regulating, whereas extroverted conservatives need a police state or they'd simply kill people because they're emotions are totally overwhelming to them.

Posted by: cld on March 5, 2006 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

I lettered in track in high school, and was captain of the cross-country team. I'm a morning person. So much for stereotypes.Posted by: Joel

Dude, those are stereo-typical liberal weenie sports, and that's from someone who also letter in track, but in football as well.

Did you play flute or violin? Were you in drama? Chess club?

And as for keeping birds, unless they are hunting falcons . . .

Posted by: JeffII on March 5, 2006 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

JeffII

I keep a pelican in my backyard. Does that mean I'll vote for McCain? I need to know because my wife has been pestering me about it all week.

Posted by: kokblok on March 5, 2006 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK

I keep a pelican in my backyard. Does that mean I'll vote for McCain? I need to know because my wife has been pestering me about it all week.
Posted by: kokblok

If only HST were still alive. I know he'd know the answer. However, a pelican is much butcher than zebra finches or love birds.

Posted by: JeffII on March 5, 2006 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

JeffII--
A pelican is "butch"? Whoah, now cowboy, dems fightin' words!

Posted by: kokblok on March 5, 2006 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK

The thing about the sense of smell is that it's self-reported, which is probably explained by the extroverted brain having a faster processing of emotional input.

All the parts of the extroverted brain that are distinctively active are those having to do with physicality, physical perception, and physical orientation toward people and surroundings.

The introverted brain is active in areas of memory and 'getting it right', not going with the flow, but getting what the flow is.

An especially interesting point here is they make a distinction between introversion and shyness, saying that shyness is related emotional responses separate from the primary distinctive brain activity of the introverted. Reminds me of the phenomenon of some actors who said to be shy in person.

You might be able to argue that the extroverted/conservative personality type gained an advantage evolutionarily with the advent of the dog in human society.

Posted by: cld on March 5, 2006 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

Uh, folks, all the reported results appear to be based on self-selecting web surveys.

IOW, it's all crap.

Posted by: Disputo on March 5, 2006 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

Finally a topic worthy of discussion. Forget about illegal wars, illegal surveillance, illegal torture, illegal bribes. This cat/dog thing gets to the heart of the issue of who we are as Americans.

We all know that people resemble their pets. Cats are independent, self sufficient, confident. They don't have to constantly announce their presence, craving attention to reinforce their sense of self worth. They enjoy the company of others but are not swayed by the pack mentality. Above all, cats think for themselves.

Dogs, however, are servile suck-ups who need an authority figure to tell them who they are, what to do, what to think. They will eat anything, even it's not good for them. They need to be part of a group and feel lost and abandoned when they're alone. They like to roll in rotten dead stuff.

That pretty much explains everything.

aa

Posted by: aaron aardvark on March 5, 2006 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

Dogs, however, are servile suck-ups who need an authority figure to tell them who they are, what to do, what to think. They will eat anything, even it's not good for them. They need to be part of a group and feel lost and abandoned when they're alone. They like to roll in rotten dead stuff.

Posted by: aaron aardvark

So, Mr. Aardvark, just how many cockapoos do you own?

Posted by: JeffII on March 5, 2006 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

rdw--

You're right, liberals have always been more depressed than conservatives. Always. I think Krauthammer had a column about it. Also Tocqueville mentioned it in passing. There's something in "The Road to Serfdom" about it, too. Did you know that Krauthammer is a psychiatrist? So is Micheal Savage. So, uh, yeah, they've got them liberals figured out to a tee.

Did you know that there are more Bush-supporting Wiemeramers in Pinellas County than there are black people? Isn't that wierd?

Posted by: kokblok on March 5, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

disputo,

Except that the subjective survey results are then aligned with brain scans.

Posted by: cld on March 5, 2006 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

How do you define "obsessed with sex"?

Dunno how they define it in this context, but conservatives (regardless of gender) seem to be obsessed with the sex other people are having, at least.

Posted by: latts on March 5, 2006 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

Results culled from internet surveys == not very scientific.

Men tend to like dogs and women tend to like cats, and more cats live in the city. HS sports, beef-eating, introversion, and morning person/night owl preferences and the like have a rural/urban skew.

I like dark blue, dark red and dark green! But I really like black and white! And I have dogs and cats!

ash
['Next survey up: proving your eminent personal superiority with a simple test!']

Posted by: ash on March 5, 2006 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

"Among men, conservatives are more active in high school sports. Texas probably skews the results here."

Texas skews the results on EVERYTHING.

Posted by: gs on March 5, 2006 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK

"However, a pelican is much butcher than zebra finches or love birds."

In all birds, females are the heterogametic sex. So the XY equivalent in birds is female. Gives a new meaning to the word "butch," if you're so sexually insecure to worry about "butch" pets, "butch" sports, and "butch" musical instruments. I'm not.

Posted by: Joel on March 5, 2006 at 4:15 PM | PERMALINK

I have two dogs and 3 cats.

Posted by: veloer on March 5, 2006 at 4:16 PM | PERMALINK

You know, I recall that when I was an infant, before I started school, I had a theory that if you just joined every club in town you couldn't go wrong.

Posted by: cld on March 5, 2006 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

So, Mr. Aardvark, just how many cockapoos do you own?

JeffII,
I share my home with a pure-bred Bengal cat. He's 1/8th wild Asian leopard, but he doesn't think that makes him better than other cats. He's big, smart, and opinionated, and doesn't take kindly to idiots. He gets on well with others, but won't compromise his core principles no matter what the inducement.

He doesn't know what a cockapoo is but would probably like one to play with.

aa

Posted by: aaron aardvark on March 5, 2006 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

About 25 years ago, Spy magazine did a telephone poll of all incoming members of the House of Representatives in which they asked two questions: (1) how would you change the United States' policy toward Freedonia and (2) are you a dog person or a cat person. Hilarity ensued, of course, with earnestly stupid freshmen saying that our policy toward Freedonia was important, needed reexamination, always open to blah blah blah.

But the real capper was the Oklahoma Republican freshman who assured the interviewer that he was a dog person but that he also wanted his constituents to know that if he hadn't been a dog person he would have been a cat person. This proves something, I'm sure.

Posted by: Henry on March 5, 2006 at 4:41 PM | PERMALINK

Liberals are more negative than conservatives.

They are more bitter, more negative, and more cynical.

And yes, look at the comments in here from Lefties - they use more profanity.

Now, stop asking why the voters keep rejecting Democrats at the polls!

Posted by: Monkey See on March 5, 2006 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

"He's 1/8th wild Asian leopard"

Just to clarify- that should be "Asian leopard cat", not leopard. Big difference- like 60 lbs difference or so.

Personally, I tend to see cats more as Republicans; they like to think of themselves as independent and ruggedly individualistic, but really are completely dependent on others for most of their basic needs. This is supported by the fact that one of my cats repeatedly urinated on Kerry literature that arrived at my home in the '04 campaign.

On the other hand, dogs see themselves as part of the community ("pack") and are willing to learn and put their skills to use in the service of their community. Go to any major airport and you'll see plenty of dogs hard at work serving the public; I have yet to see any service cats.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on March 5, 2006 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK

On the other hand, dogs see themselves as part of the community ("pack") and are willing to learn and put their skills to use in the service of their community. Go to any major airport and you'll see plenty of dogs hard at work serving the public; I have yet to see any service cats.

Cats just have a different skill set than dogs. Human-cat interaction probably first occurred when humans started storing grain and cats kept the vermin under control. Farmers still keep cats around for that purpose.

Cats, more than anything else, put an end to the terrible plague pandemics.

Both cats and dogs have their place on our society. What's interesting is the kind of people they attract.

aa

Posted by: aaron aardvark on March 5, 2006 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

MJ Memphis,

Then liberals and conservatives see in one another pets that have gotten out of control, e.g. Planet of the Apes?

Posted by: cld on March 5, 2006 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I am extremely liberal. Hate cats, love dogs.

What does this prove.

Internet surveys are not representative of anything but the people who choose to participate.

Posted by: David (Austin Tx) on March 5, 2006 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK

cld- That's an interesting way to look at it, you could be on to something there.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on March 5, 2006 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK

Among VL women 100% prefer dog or cats, among VC women 80% prefer dogs or cats. Was there another choice? Do 20% of VC women want all dogs and cats killed? Is this typical of the technic expertise that went into this poll?

Posted by: lee on March 5, 2006 at 5:08 PM | PERMALINK

cld said: "Except that the subjective survey results are then aligned with brain scans."

That doesn't mean anything.

First, my point is not that the survey results are merely subjective (ie, self-reported), but that they are also non-scientific (ie, self-selected).

Second, it means nothing that they presented (without sourcing, I note) brain scans of introverts/extroverts. They may just as well have presented brain scans of cats and dogs. Neither makes up for the fact that their data is crap.

Now as much as I would love to see research phychologists delve into the neurology of political orientation, there is no science being done at that website.

Posted by: Disputo on March 5, 2006 at 5:22 PM | PERMALINK

cld: "So introverted people, and liberals, are more self-regulating, whereas extroverted conservatives need a police state or they'd simply kill people because [their] emotions are totally overwhelming to them."

I think that is exactly right.

And people, people! Please try to remember that just because you can think of an exception to a trend (the article says that "liberals prefer cats, conservatives prefer dogs" but I am liberal and I prefer dogs!) doesn't mean that the trend isn't real. So, Zogby finds that 75% of soldiers in Iraq think we should pull out now. The Bush WH points to one of the 33,000 soldiers who think we should still be in Iraq, and says "HA! That liberal pollster doesn't know what he is talking about! Our soldiers believe we are winning!"

JeffII...have you been spying on my cockapoo?

Posted by: PTate in MN on March 5, 2006 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINK

Sheesh! I'm a liberal who likes both dogs and cats, gets up at 5:45 (am), likes red and blue. I'm dead-center intro-extrovert with a good sense of smell, eat mostly fish and lamb and veggies, ain't got no religion, and believe that the people who really lack social value are those who think others lack social value.

Posted by: PW on March 5, 2006 at 6:18 PM | PERMALINK

Please try to remember that just because you can think of an exception to a trend (the article says that "liberals prefer cats, conservatives prefer dogs" but I am liberal and I prefer dogs!) doesn't mean that the trend isn't real.

True, but that means I have to accept that my proud dog-friendly, steak-loving bona fides are now roughly parallel to Democrats' having voted for the IWR and the PATRIOT Act, which is depressing.

On that note, off to find some ice cream and say a little prayer for Jon Stewart tonight...

Posted by: latts on March 5, 2006 at 6:23 PM | PERMALINK
1) how would you change the United States' policy toward FreedoniaPosted by: Henry

Hail, Freedonia!

Minister of Labor: The Department of Labor wishes to report that the workers of Freedonia are demanding shorter hours.
Firefly: Very well, we'll give them shorter hours. We'll start by cutting their lunch hour to twenty minutes. And now, gentlemen, we've got to start looking for a new Treasurer.
Minister of Labor: But you appointed one last week!
Firefly: That's the one I'm looking for.
Secretary of War: Gentlemen! Gentlemen! Enough of this. How about taking up the tax?
Firefly: How about taking up the carpet?
Secretary of War: I still insist we must take up the tax.
Firefly: He's right. You've got to take up the tacks before you can take up the carpet.
Secretary of War (now exasperated): I give all my time and energy to my duties and what do I get?
Firefly: You get awfully tiresome after a while.
Secretary of War: Sir, you try my patience!
Firefly: I don't mind if I do. You must come over and try mine sometime.
Secretary of War: That's the last straw. I resign! I wash my hands of the whole business.
Firefly: That's a good idea. You can wash your neck, too.

Posted by: Mike on March 5, 2006 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

Pip the Puppy Pundit

Doubt anyone would remember this, but back during the '96 elections, Clinton/Gore ran "America's Home Page" which is actually still up and running (http://www.movingimage.us/cg96/index9.htm). It featured our proud puppy in an animation where she did something along the lines of barking for Clinton and growling against Dole. The column is still there, but the link to the animation has long been broken (that was about 4 ISPs ago). The story about us being escorted from the White House grounds is true, however. The Secret Service was actually pretty nice and comical about it.

Anyone have a clue why that page would even still be hosted? I'm sure the campaign isnt't still paying for it (I guess you never really know, though).

Posted by: bryrock on March 5, 2006 at 6:45 PM | PERMALINK

It's very simple. Conservatives like to fuck dogs. Libs love pussy.

Sorry if this has been noted before. I am sure it has been.

Posted by: lib on March 5, 2006 at 6:53 PM | PERMALINK

I'm a neurophysiologist (NIH funded for 20 years, chair of my department, editorial board of journals, NIH study sections. All this to indicate that I am not coming out of the blue on this.)

I am skeptical about most of this, and what little I can see of the methodology is horrific.

Aside from issues about sampling, statistics, and zillions of other things that seem dodgy, there is the fact that correlations are very limited in what they can do. Here is one: there is a strong correlation between the rate at which my hair is turning grey and the movements of tectonic plates under the Atlantic ocean.

Here is another:

Extroverts have a better sense of smell than introverts. This is actually sort of interesting.

How can you measure olfaction on-line (and then conclude that there is a difference between introverts and extroverts)? Oh, and are they talking about olfactory sensitivity, acuity, or dynamic range?

Not much that is useful here if this is any indication.

Posted by: Ba'al on March 5, 2006 at 6:57 PM | PERMALINK

all birds, females are the heterogametic sex. So the XY equivalent in birds is female. Gives a new meaning to the word "butch," if you're so sexually insecure to worry about "butch" pets, "butch" sports, and "butch." musical instruments. I'm not.
Posted by: Joel

Joel, you can come back and play after you get a humor transplant and/or your mother let's you out of the basement.

Oh, and BTW, go fuck yourself.

Posted by: JeffII on March 5, 2006 at 7:02 PM | PERMALINK

"Joel, you can come back and play after you get a humor transplant . . . Oh, and BTW, go fuck yourself."

heh.

Pot, kettle, black, etc . . .

Posted by: Joel on March 5, 2006 at 7:35 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, and Jeffy . . . sorry if my pointing out your sexual insecurity embarrassed you. You just made it so obvious, I thought you had just come to accept it. My bad.

Posted by: Joel on March 5, 2006 at 7:39 PM | PERMALINK

Too obvious. First comment said it all; don't know why I'm even bothering to weigh in.

Posted by: theophylact on March 5, 2006 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK

Morning people! Don't they understand that half of every day's sunshine is wasted on morning?

Posted by: duvidil on March 5, 2006 at 8:06 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, Ba'al, this is all quite meaningless, though, at least to me, somewhat amusing.

But don't you think it interesting how the dog/cat discussion so readily reveals the stereotypes that self identified liberals and conservatives have about each other. It's kind of emblematic of the degenerate nature of our current political discourse, I think.

aa

Posted by: aaron aardvark on March 5, 2006 at 8:17 PM | PERMALINK

"Ev psych explanations"? Are there any worthy of the name, or only untestable just-so stories?

Posted by: Dabodius on March 5, 2006 at 8:25 PM | PERMALINK

Liberals live in more predominantly urban areas where cats are preferred pets over dogs, perhaps simply because many places in the city, especially rentals, don't allow dogs, or require huge deposits for them.

Posted by: Jimm on March 5, 2006 at 8:38 PM | PERMALINK

Reading up, looks like MJ Memphis hit on the point about cats being ideal urban pets first.

Posted by: Jimm on March 5, 2006 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK

All these comments and no mention of the brain parasites that cats give humans?

Posted by: Capt. Jean-Luc Pikachu on March 5, 2006 at 8:50 PM | PERMALINK

Who gives a shit?

Posted by: Chris Brown on March 5, 2006 at 9:07 PM | PERMALINK

Just went to the bookstore today and picked up Michelle Malkin's book, "Unhinged."

She has a page or two about this blog, including racist and vile posts about her made by regular posters here.

Malkin makes the argument that the Left in the USA has become vile and profane.

The research backs her up!

Posted by: BigRiver on March 5, 2006 at 9:24 PM | PERMALINK

Anybody care to explain why 99% of the "F-words" in here come from regular Lefty posters? And 99% of the references to sex acts involving animals come from Lefty posters?

Posted by: BigRiver on March 5, 2006 at 9:26 PM | PERMALINK

Cats are teh sux. Dogs r0x!

Posted by: jerry on March 5, 2006 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINK

Anybody care to explain why all the posts expressing interest in sex acts involving animals and Michelle Malkin come from BigRiver?

Posted by: Joel on March 5, 2006 at 10:07 PM | PERMALINK

So what is driving the Conservative preference for dogs over cats?

Two words.

Crotch sniffing.

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on March 5, 2006 at 10:48 PM | PERMALINK

Paul Harder,
How much of Heinlein have you actually read? He was a liberal. Don't confuse his rants about entitlement programs with opposition to social responsibility. His writings about the Soviet Union and Communisim were very clearly about opposition to totalitarian government. He was clearly very much enarmored with the practice of actual communism and strong regulation of business. His writings also repeatedly warned about the political power of large corperations. It was the central theme in most of his writing aimed at the adult market. He was certainly a hawk, but a liberal one.

Posted by: joe on March 6, 2006 at 12:12 AM | PERMALINK

Heinlein was a Libertarian.

Cat cannot be ordered around and Concervatives hate not having power over their underlings. And a (big dangerous) dog is like a Hummer - a penile extension.

Posted by: coturnix on March 6, 2006 at 1:07 AM | PERMALINK

This is of course, a bunch of BS, like inkblots or astrology. I don't know whether the folks who dreamed this up are serious or spoofing.

Anyway, I'm a left-liberal who prefers dogs because of their loyalty and who is mildly allergic to cats.

I'm a self-described moderate introvert with an enhanced sense of smell. Must be all the spicy foods I eat.

As for conservatives being more extroverted and religious, I say that all three hang on the degree of introspection in which one engages.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on March 6, 2006 at 2:40 AM | PERMALINK

Based on what I have seen and read, I feel that abusers of animals would be more likely to identify themselves as conservative, rather than liberal, in any case...the 'commander-in-chief' being the first example that comes to mind.

I wonder how many no-kill shelters Bush's $300 billion borrowed Iraq war dollars would have bought.

That's a lot of dogs and cats.

Posted by: john manyjars on March 6, 2006 at 3:21 AM | PERMALINK

The blue states tend to be densely populated. Small apartments/houses with small/no yards lend themselves to cat ownership over dog ownership.

Posted by: Mr. Pink on March 6, 2006 at 7:30 AM | PERMALINK

I'm accustomed to not fitting any of these [mostly false] dichotomies/generalizations.

I'm neither right-brain nor left. Neither extrovert nor introvert, but poised almost exactly in the middle.

In fact I have a brain which processes equally on both sides. It's called 'mixed brain dominance'. It's fairly rare.

Does mean that, though female, I tend to have a more 'male' [analytical] brain and do very well indeed on spacial thinking and so forth rather than the 'female' social skills.

Means I can communicate/associate with engineers and scientists but also with artists and other creative types with approximately equal facility.

So I'm neither liberal nor conservative. Appreciate cats and dogs about equally, but don't currently have the living accomodations which would support having both. Particularly since I feel that only dogs are almost always neurotic as hell.

Know the neighborhood Memphis is talking about. It's roughly the Memphis equivalent of Lakewood/Lower Greenville in Dallas or Highland in Shreveport. My kind of place, IOW. Nice but a little funky, too. Kind of place where you can have a systems analyst on one side and independent filmmakers on the other.

Posted by: CFShep on March 6, 2006 at 7:48 AM | PERMALINK

Anybody care to explain why 99% of the "F-words" in here come from regular Lefty posters? And 99% of the references to sex acts involving animals come from Lefty posters? Posted by: BigRiver

Go fuck a dog, if you can find one stupid enough.

Posted by: Jeff II on March 6, 2006 at 10:27 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, but conservative men like little yappy girlie dogs like miniature poodles, chihuahuas, spaniels, and terriers.

And the Bush's had a cat.

So, I guess the Bushes falls on the liberal end of the GOP spectrum?

LOL.

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 6, 2006 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

"Conservatives tend to be morning people."

Again, couldn't this be explained by the urban/rural divide? Lots more things to do in the evening in a big city than in exurbia or rural areas.

Posted by: Urinated State of America on March 6, 2006 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

Big River: Anybody care to explain why 99% of the "F-words" in here come from regular Lefty posters?

This from the Nixon lovers.

And people who support a FUBAR Bush administration.

And people who regularly use the L-word (lefty), the T-word (traitor), the B-word (bitch), the S-word (socialist), the C-word (communist), the other T-word (terrorist), the M-word (moonbat), the other L-word (lunatic), and a host of others to characterize liberals.

Too, too funny.

LOL f*ckwad.

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 6, 2006 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK

Again, couldn't this be explained by the urban/rural divide? Lots more things to do in the evening in a big city than in exurbia or rural areas.
Posted by: Urinated State of America

And, as I remember from summers at my grandmother's, much, much more to do in the mornings before school. Let out the hens, gather eggs, feed/water the livestock and so forth.

That woman believed firmly in chores.

But she would have been up first just after dawn to milk. Cows don't take kindly to a desire to sleep-in/go out for brunch and ect.

Posted by: CFShep on March 6, 2006 at 12:01 PM | PERMALINK

"Cows don't take kindly to a desire to sleep-in/go out for brunch and ect."

Neither do dogs. When they're ready to go outside, they are ready to go NOW.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on March 6, 2006 at 12:40 PM | PERMALINK

The Spring Survey at that site tells me I have,

"Indicators of enhanced right prefrontal and bilateral temporal activity in humor detection."


The jig is up, and I fell for it!


It concludes,

"Overall, your cognitive style is balanced between your left and right hemispheres."


Say what you like about the scientificness, that has been my own impression of how my brain works. Or fails to.

Posted by: cld on March 6, 2006 at 12:49 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not sure I understand all the "I'm a liberal and I own dogs / birds / bats / iguanas / a rare African white rhino" type answers - the site says "a certain larger percentage of liberals prefer cats over dogs", not "liberals only like cats."

Fie on global warming, for it is currently cold outside!

Posted by: SDF on March 6, 2006 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

I guess Ferdy the Conservative Cat needs to change to Ferdy The Liberal Cat.

Posted by: Laurence Simon on March 6, 2006 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

Every body knows that liberals are foul-mouthed, slimy, sex-obsessed "cats".

Witness? Fritz the Cat.

Posted by: Goofy on March 6, 2006 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK

No,no, no. Find out the SIZE of the dog they like....

Posted by: catherineD on March 6, 2006 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

"Anybody care to explain why 99% of the "F-words" in here come from regular Lefty posters? And 99% of the references to sex acts involving animals come from Lefty posters?"

Well, maybe because 99% of the posters are Lefty posters? Or maybe because we Lefty posters really DO believe in Freedom of Speech & think "F-words" are just WORDS, and won't make your hair fall out or your soul go to hell.

As to why Conservatives eat more beef, as with pet-owning, perhaps, just look at the map, and look at the Conservatives! Liberalism is concentrated in the Northeast & Northwest with the Upper Midwest being sort of adopted Coast. You know, living on a Great Lake IS sort of like living on an ocean.

And those of us near the Coasts are just more likely watch what we eat. When they talk of the obesity epidemic in this country, look to the Red States. Man o man do they waddle around. You've never SEEN so many people over 300 lbs if you live in SF or NYC.

Also, I must say, those of us in the liberal urban environments just have BETTER food to buy. More diverse fresh produce, etc.

Posted by: Cal Gal on March 6, 2006 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK

The Gigolo Kitty respectfully disagrees. He has seduced and robbed both conservatives and liberals with equal ease. He says, you really can't tell them apart in the dark.

Posted by: Gigolokitty on March 6, 2006 at 7:38 PM | PERMALINK

As a person of the feline persuasion, I'd always thought of myself as conservative, but after amanuensis read me this survey,I've decided that I must be a closet liberal. I definitely agree with the part about liking to sleep late in the morning. Especially after staying up all night chasing mice--or in the case of the Egyptian God Ra--wrestling with the powers of darkness, it's very important to get some rest.

Posted by: Aloysius Katz on March 7, 2006 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

Liberal, lime-green-loving dog owner female who bounces out of bed at 5:30 am without coffee aids.

(I have also owned cats, but always in conjunction with dogs, and don't currently have one.)

I think this "research" is full of crap, actually.

Posted by: jodi on March 7, 2006 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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