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March 6, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

KATHERINE HARRIS UPDATE....Katherine Harris is now so caught up in the ever-widening penumbra of the Duke Cunningham bribery scandal that she's canceling campaign events and avoiding the press. I know it's bad form to gloat about such things, but can we make an exception this time?

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I know it's bad form to gloat about such things, but can we make an exception this time?

Well, OK, if you insist....

Posted by: Stefan on March 6, 2006 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

Am I first? Speaking as a liberal San Diegan, I would like to be the first to thank MZM, Wade, et al for their fine contribution to our nation. It's the gift that may keep on giving until every repug hack is in jail..

Posted by: jim on March 6, 2006 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

karma.

Posted by: danelectro on March 6, 2006 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

Once you outlaw bribery, only outlaws will take bribes...

Posted by: Stefan on March 6, 2006 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

I'm assuming she has to give up her House seat to run......yes? Has she given it up yet? Is there someone running for her House seat at the moment?

Posted by: zmulls on March 6, 2006 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

I know it's bad form to gloat about such things, but can we make an exception this time?

Gloat, gloat, gloat. The hell with 'bad form' in this case.

Posted by: CFShep on March 6, 2006 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

Go ahead, twist my arm.

Posted by: Barry Freed on March 6, 2006 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK

The horrible, horrible consequences of that woman's actions.

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on March 6, 2006 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK

It IS in poor taste. All patriotic Americans should stand behind her and support her against these unjustified media attacks that are designed to undermine her candidacy for the Senate.

I think we all agree that evil will have triumphed if these attacks prevent her from taking the Republican nomination for Senate. That nomination is HERS!

Posted by: Brittain33 on March 6, 2006 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK

What goes around comes around. Katharine Harris has done her own share of gloating, and now she's finding that dishonesty is not a long-term strategy.

Posted by: LeisureGuy on March 6, 2006 at 12:22 PM | PERMALINK

i'll be willing to forgive her if she would resign her seat and let bush make her the ambassador to chad.

Posted by: navarro on March 6, 2006 at 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

"If I perish, I perish," Katharine Harris said back during the 2000 election's overtime round, modeling herself after Queen Esther of Old Testament fame.

Works for me. :-)

Posted by: RT on March 6, 2006 at 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

Can't agree that it is bad form to gloat about such things. Surely the most satisfying narratives are those in which evil doers get their comeuppance!! Why would we not relish this!

Okay, I amend myself. The most satisfying narratives are those in which evil doers get their comeuppance AND the good are rewarded.

In this case the reward may be the sweetness of gloating over the evildoer's comeuppance, heh, heh.

Posted by: PTate in MN on March 6, 2006 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

I know it's bad form to gloat about such things, but can we make an exception this time?

No. Because accordning to all the really smart people on the previous thread about Jesus we must embrace EVERYONE if we are to take back the government. Katherine needs us in her time of trouble. Bitch.

Posted by: Jeff II on March 6, 2006 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK

I know it's bad form to gloat about such things, but can we make an exception this time?

Why yes, yes we can.

The wicked witch is dead, oh joy, the wicked witch is dead. /gloat

Posted by: SnarkyShark on March 6, 2006 at 12:31 PM | PERMALINK

I'm assuming she has to give up her House seat to run......yes? Has she given it up yet? Is there someone running for her House seat at the moment?

No, she doesn't have to give up her seat. Remember in 2000 Joe Lieberman was running for election as Vice President and re-election as Senator at the same time.

Posted by: Stefan on March 6, 2006 at 12:31 PM | PERMALINK

If gloating wasn't allowed on blogs, there would be hardly any reason to read them.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on March 6, 2006 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

Katherine Harris... Hmmm, is she the one with the long green nose and the flying monkeys? Or is she the one the house falls on in the first act?

So hard to keep these evil witches straight...

Posted by: craigie on March 6, 2006 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

gloatgloatgloatgloat

Bounce your boobies some more katherine! Looks like that might be about all you got now... gloatgloatgloatgloat

Posted by: cdj on March 6, 2006 at 12:35 PM | PERMALINK

According to Kevin's definition of the Golden Rule, I have to gloat even if she isn't gloating back. Kev, when you're right, you're right.

Hey, this unilateral gloating is fun!

Posted by: craigie on March 6, 2006 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

From the link, I loved this piece of wry understatement:

"As a rule, Senate candidates who find it necessary to hide from reporters and the public don't do very well on Election Day."

Maybe she can get the Supreme Court to declare her the winner anyway, and just not bother campaigning. Isn't that the GOP endgame?

Posted by: craigie on March 6, 2006 at 12:39 PM | PERMALINK

Do you think evidence of her corruption will cause the press to take a second look at the Florida recount?


Bwahahahahahaha, I slay me.

Posted by: Goran on March 6, 2006 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

Perhaps she is merely taking time out for another face lift.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on March 6, 2006 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum >"...I know it's bad form to gloat about such things, but can we make an exception this time?"

Who said it is bad form ?

Gloat ON !

(I`ll keep my gloat ON until she gets out of jail...)

And, of course, there is this in her background still to be cleaned up which, IMO, justifies long term Gloating

"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave." - Bishop Fulton John Sheen

Posted by: daCascadian on March 6, 2006 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

danelectro called it.

Posted by: Gregory on March 6, 2006 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

Schadenfreude is only bad manners in personal relationships. It is completely acceptable in politics.

Posted by: JimPortlandOR on March 6, 2006 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK
Katherine Harris is now so caught up in the ever-widening penumbra of the Duke Cunningham bribery scandal that she's canceling campaign events and avoiding the press. I know it's bad form to gloat about such things, but can we make an exception this time?

Since when is celebrating the defeat of evil by the revelation of the truth "bad form"?

Posted by: cmdicely on March 6, 2006 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

"Bad form", yeah, whatever. Couldn't happen to a nicer southern belle. If by "southern belle" you mean "sleazy, corrupt old hag".

Posted by: Ringo on March 6, 2006 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

The talk of corruption by Katherine Harris is just a product of Washington DC rumor mill which seems to be working overtime to slander great Americans like DeLay and Nye and Blunt and Harris.

Posted by: lib on March 6, 2006 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Do you suppose she knows, on at least some unconscious level, that she has had a role in the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people? Nah, I didn't think so. Of course, God does... and are these people ever going to be surprised when they get Raptured Down.

Posted by: Kenji on March 6, 2006 at 12:58 PM | PERMALINK

Has she already locked up her position as the republican senate candidate? Or will someone else take her place now? That would be a shame, because I think Nelson would have had no trouble beating her, but I don't know if there is someone else waiting in the wings who would be a more difficult opponent.

Posted by: J.B. on March 6, 2006 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

Jeff II on March 6, 2006 at 12:30 PM:

accordning to all the really smart people

C'mon...I'm not that smart, Jeff...I can't even name all of the NATO member nations, fer chrissakes...

on the previous thread about Jesus we must embrace EVERYONE if we are to take back the government.

Your assertion. Don't try to pin that one on anyone but you.

Rebuttal aside, I'm getting my gloat on right now...Kinda suprised that the Cheneys, Als, and rdws haven't made a reference to Bill Clinton's dick yet to try to interrupt our merriment...

Posted by: grape_crush on March 6, 2006 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

Hangin's too good for her.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on March 6, 2006 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

"Hangin's too good for her."

But it may have to do.

Posted by: Kenji on March 6, 2006 at 1:04 PM | PERMALINK

For those of us in Florida, we'd kinda hoped she would have walked down that campaign trail a little longer to November before shooting herself in the foot, the leg and then her ultra tight pie-hole (everytime she talks she digs herself in deeper. Have you ever heard her trying to construct a simple sentence?).

It's not too late for her to pull out and have another more viable 'publican take on the campaign trail. Maybe we should all contribute a bit to her campaign to help her limp along to the finishing line with Sen. Nelson faaar ahead of her.

Posted by: Walt on March 6, 2006 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

So the party that is supposed to win nation wide elections has been reduced to banging on an old hag.

Posted by: tbrosz on March 6, 2006 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

Fake tbrosz, I'm sure I speak for many when I say that I wouldn't bang that bag of sleaze Katherine Harris for any amount of money.

Posted by: Gregory on March 6, 2006 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

and the party that controls all three branches of the federal government has been reduced to a steaming pile of corruption.

tbrosz will still vote for them though.

Posted by: haha on March 6, 2006 at 1:13 PM | PERMALINK

this is horrible news. i'll be sadly disappointed if she drops out of the race. i was soooo looking forward to voting against her and watching as her political career comes to a crashing end.

Posted by: mudwall jackson on March 6, 2006 at 1:13 PM | PERMALINK

Must liberals always find the dark cloud hidden in the silver lining? Yeah...

The problem with the Senate campaign here is that Nelson is pretty free to do things like vote for cloture on Alito. No need to consider the base when you're cruising to re-election.

Sorry for the downer. I used to be a fan of Nelson, but no more.

Posted by: Greg in FL on March 6, 2006 at 1:13 PM | PERMALINK

mudwall jackson:

Don't worry. Most likely she is going to meet tha same fate as Duke. To see her handcuffed in prison will be the most befitting finale to the 2000 election recount.

Posted by: lib on March 6, 2006 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

I think we all agree that evil will have triumphed if these attacks prevent her from taking the Republican nomination for Senate. That nomination is HERS!

I'm with Brittain33. Its her nomination! (please oh please don't let the Florida GOP sub in a competitive candidate...)

Posted by: Edo on March 6, 2006 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

Katherine Harris is now on minute sixteen... tick tick tick.
--
HRlaughed

Posted by: HRlaughed on March 6, 2006 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

"please oh please don't let the Florida GOP sub in a competitive candidate..."

Sorry to say that the St. Pete Times reported just yesterday that there is a movement to entice Jeb as a candidate to take her place if she drops out.

Dear Gawd, 2 Bushes in DC? Just kill me now...

Posted by: Walt on March 6, 2006 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK

So the party that is supposed to win nation wide elections has been reduced to banging on an old hag.
Posted by: tbrosz

Don't blame us, T-bone, she's your old hag.

Posted by: Jeff II on March 6, 2006 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

The only problem is that now the Republicans may actually find someone who can win.

Posted by: Jim on March 6, 2006 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

SCHADENFREUDE is just pure JOY.

Posted by: Renate on March 6, 2006 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

How come everyone is standing around wondering if Harris will or will not stay on the ballet...while Dennis Hastert is getting a clean ride?

Posted by: parrot on March 6, 2006 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

RT, your's is the best.

Perish the thought.

Posted by: ELR on March 6, 2006 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK

How come everyone is standing around wondering if Harris will or will not stay on the ballet...

That's just the nature of danse macabre.

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on March 6, 2006 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

Why do I feel...

[burp!]

...so gloated?

Posted by: t-t-t-trolls r us on March 6, 2006 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

I hope JEB! does run. It would be great to slay a Bush. He is not that popular down here, and right now his last name is a BIG problem. If we could beat him now, we wouldn't have to worry about him in 08. The next Bush to worry about is the cowardly George P.

Posted by: a snipes on March 6, 2006 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

Let's wait until she gets the Senate nomination and then bring her down.

Posted by: anandine on March 6, 2006 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

I hope JEB! does run. It would be great to slay a Bush. He is not that popular down here, and right now his last name is a BIG problem. If we could beat him now, we wouldn't have to worry about him in 08. The next Bush to worry about is the cowardly George P.

Posted by: annette on March 6, 2006 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

Karma Police, arrest this girl
Her Hitler hairdo
Is making me feel ill
And we have crashed her party

This is what youll get
This is what youll get
This is what youll get..
when you mess with us.

Posted by: Terence on March 6, 2006 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

Now the repubs can replace her with a crook
who has not been caught with a hand in the cookie jar.

Posted by: Honey P on March 6, 2006 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

Sen. Specter and Speaker Hastert have proposed a bill that will make the actions of Harrias and Cunningahm and any other congressmen retroactively legal.

Posted by: lib on March 6, 2006 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

Gloat away, this witch is running around disenfranchising people, spouting off about family values when she doesn't have any kids of her own AND is crooked, and to top it off, inherited all of her money anyway.

Posted by: Mad Blogger on March 6, 2006 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

Stefan: Once you outlaw bribery, only outlaws will take bribes...

Excellent.

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 6, 2006 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

This isn't over yet.

http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBEQVNGDKE.html

Disgraced Executive Got Local Tax Deals

By MICHAEL FECHTER and WILLIAM MARCH The Tampa Tribune

Published: Mar 4, 2006

TAMPA - Gov. Jeb Bush's office is refusing to release documents or answer questions about a $400,000 tax credit awarded to MZM Inc., whose former chief executive pleaded guilty last week to bribery and illegal campaign contributions.

Posted by: Jeff II on March 6, 2006 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

Katherine Harris is not just a cartoon character or buffoon to laugh at -- although she is both of those things.

But Katherine Harris deserves, in all seriousness, to be utterly despised as an enemy of democracy. We know what you did in 2000, cunt.

Posted by: The Fool on March 6, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

Along with Ralph Nader, Kathy helped begin our long national nightmare in 2000. Let's hope
she and Ralph are joined in Hell some day.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr on March 6, 2006 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

lib: Sen. Specter and Speaker Hastert have proposed a bill that will make the actions of Harris and Cunningham and any other congressmen retroactively legal.

No, as the title suggests, the scope of the IOIYAR Bill is a little different.

Posted by: alex on March 6, 2006 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

The next Bush to worry about is the cowardly George P.

"cowardly"? Do tell.

Posted by: Edo on March 6, 2006 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK


CMDICELY: Since when is celebrating the defeat of evil by the revelation of the truth "bad form"?

Gloating over her current troubles, since she is so deserving of them, might well be good form, but celebrating her defeat is surely premature. In any case, even if she pulls out of the Senate race or is defeated at the polls, she will still be leading a life of leisure and great comfort. Harris's "evil" won't be truly defeated until her life is in complete ruin, which is the only fair outcome for someone who committed such a massive disservice to the American people and democratic principles.


Posted by: jayarbee on March 6, 2006 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

jayerbee, let's leave that kind of ultimate destruction to God, Okay? We're outsourcing everyone else's job already.

Posted by: ELR on March 6, 2006 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

Ahh, the sweet smell of schadenfreude in the morning...it smells like victory!

Posted by: The Bobs on March 6, 2006 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK


ELR: let's leave that kind of ultimate destruction to God, Okay?

Left to god, and to Harris and her ilk, that kind of ultimate destruction has already been visited upon millions. So, no, not okay -- unless you want to leave it to god to punish some poor person who sticks up a liquor store.


Posted by: jayarbee on March 6, 2006 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK

ruh roh Asstro

Posted by: one eye buck tooth [X^B on March 6, 2006 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

For more on Harris' much-deserved woes, see:
"The Decline and Coming Fall of Katherine Harris."

Posted by: AvengingAngel on March 6, 2006 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

Actually if this leads to Katy dropping out it may mean bad news for Bill Nelson the Dem Senator from Florida. The GOP in Fla has been trying to lose Katy for a while now. I guess Katy Harris is the GOP version of Kleenex...

Posted by: Alagator on March 6, 2006 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK

Yup, tougher race for Nelson if Harris is gone. Which seems increasingly likely. Let's not gloat too soon. Unintended consequences and all that...

Posted by: Bill Camarda on March 6, 2006 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK

How did *we* get the notion that it's bad form to gloat about such things? Of course we should gloat. Of course, even though most liberals are like Kevin and timid about such aggrssiveness, that doesn't stop psycho witches like Ann Coulter from saying we gloat over collapse in Iraq, etc.

Posted by: Neil' on March 6, 2006 at 5:08 PM | PERMALINK

Can't decide what's better...her getting creamed in the election after being double crossed by the Bushies, or indicted in the widening dragnet. That ambassadorship to Chad must look to her right now!

Posted by: Rick on March 6, 2006 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK
Gloating over her current troubles, since she is so deserving of them, might well be good form, but celebrating her defeat is surely premature.

I thought about adding something like "...,however minor and transitory,..." after "defeat", but thought it wasn't really necessary.

Your point, though, is well taken.

Posted by: cmdicely on March 6, 2006 at 6:29 PM | PERMALINK

Reminds me of an old Kinsley column back when Iran-Contra broke:

"The Germans (who else?) have a word for this feeling: Schadenfreude — meaning, roughly, joy in other people's suffering. It's not a very attractive emotion, and in due course perhaps I'll seek professional help. But first I'm going to enjoy it for a while."

Posted by: John on March 6, 2006 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

karma.

Sometimes I wish karma would hurry up.

Posted by: obscure on March 6, 2006 at 7:20 PM | PERMALINK

The Tampa paper reports that Harris is planning a big fund-raising push, including a Florida bus tour with fair-and-balanced Sean Hannity. (http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGB10T5WEKE.html)

Knowing KH, she'll stay in till the bitter end. And bitter it will be for some, but for FL Democrats, so sweet.....

Posted by: Vicki on March 6, 2006 at 7:34 PM | PERMALINK

Gloat away!

We get to gloat that the Democrats couldn't defeat the re-election of "the worst president in history".

I am an enthusiastic fan of bipartisan gloating.

Posted by: republicrat on March 6, 2006 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK

We get to gloat that the Democrats couldn't defeat the re-election of "the worst president in history"

If you want to take credit for re-electing Bush, the worst Pres in history, that's all you brother!

I'd rather not soil myself in such a manner.

Posted by: The Pass on March 6, 2006 at 7:46 PM | PERMALINK

I think the Party would never turns its back on her and force her out of the race - I think she knows where some of the bodies are buried.

Posted by: terri on March 6, 2006 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK

How much wealth and power does a family need for it to be entitled to treat our country as the personal playground for its never-do-well children? People like George H.W. Bush are accustomed to finding positions (creating corporations for them to mismanage, forcing their business or political associates to hire them, or,worse yet, leveraging them into an elected office they are eminently unqualified for) that give their problem children a veneer of respectability. Unfortunately, the U.S. isn't (yet) a Texas oil company that you can force your friends to bail out when your CEO son drives it into the ground. These people behave like they're part of some aristocracy (like the Bourbons in France or Hanovers in England)and America is their hereditary fief (although aristrocrats of old at least had the pretense of noblesse oblige). Weren't we supposed to have rid ourselves of this kind of priviledged class a long time (say, two hundred and twenty years) ago? Was it Jefferson who rejected any aristocracy except for an aristocracy of the mind?

Posted by: aftertheflood on March 6, 2006 at 8:10 PM | PERMALINK

Although Jeb Bush is anxiously awaiting his call to destiny, replacing Big Dick as VP, since his brother will need an ace up his sleeve in case he gets impeached

There is a low rumble, maybe a fart, that since Jeb will be unemployed after the Mid Term elections due to term limits, he could just step in for Katherine and run in her stead.

Posted by: Sideline on March 6, 2006 at 9:34 PM | PERMALINK

I don't know about Hastert getting a free ride: there was a post on Kos the other day about a candidate for the seat who seemed very strong: veteran, local guy, farm exerience, changing demographics in the district etc.

Posted by: Brian Boru on March 7, 2006 at 1:34 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe we should all contribute a bit to her campaign to help her limp along to the finishing line with Sen

Posted by: opi on March 7, 2006 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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