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March 9, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

THE MEANING OF "IS"....Rick Santorum said he was going to end his Tuesday morning "K Street Project" meetings with lobbyists, but apparently he, um, lied:

Santorum, whose ties to Washington lobbyists have been criticized by his Democratic challenger, suspended his biweekly encounters on Jan. 30.

....But in the month since his announcement, Santorum has held two meetings attended by the same core group of lobbyists...convened at the same time as the previous meetings....Instead of being held in the Capitol, however, the recent meetings were conducted nearby. The first was held about three blocks away, at the headquarters of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, and the second was held around the corner from that building, at the Heritage Foundation.

As near as I can tell, Santorum's explanation is that it's the same people, at the same time, on the same day, but it's still a different meeting from the one he used to have. Or something.

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Were there any dogs in that hotel room with them?

Posted by: craigie on March 9, 2006 at 1:24 AM | PERMALINK

You forgot the quote - "I had absolutely nothing to do -- never met, never talked, never coordinated, never did anything -- with Grover Norquist and the -- quote -- K Street Project," Mr. Santorum said.

Maybe the article left out part of the quote - maybe something like "on Monday of this week."

Posted by: publius on March 9, 2006 at 1:36 AM | PERMALINK

it's called networking. somebody needs a job once he loses his in november.

Posted by: nova silverpill on March 9, 2006 at 1:43 AM | PERMALINK

I'm getting sick and tired of the same old cynicism day after day after damned day. If the right honorable Rick Santorum says his meetings with the same people (DC lobbyists) at the same time each week (Tuesday morning) are, uh... different because the meeting locations have changed and that he no longer calls them "K Street Project" meetings, then taking him at his word is a darned decent and collegial thing to do.

Heh.
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HRlaughed

Posted by: HRlaughed on March 9, 2006 at 1:51 AM | PERMALINK

Why shoot a fish in the barrel? Senator Roberts of the Intelligence Committee is a more worthy target. Let us here something about that piece of work.

Posted by: lib on March 9, 2006 at 1:58 AM | PERMALINK

Let's hear something about Mr. Roberts of the intelligence committee.

Posted by: lib on March 9, 2006 at 2:04 AM | PERMALINK

The mendacity of many key members of the Republican party truly knows no limits. I hope the voters know about stuff like this and care enough to kick Rick Santorum out on his lying ass come November.

Posted by: Nathan on March 9, 2006 at 2:58 AM | PERMALINK

They are also dealing in twenties now, instead of fifties and hundreds. And they switched to Diet Pepsi from Coke. So it's all okay.

Posted by: Kenji on March 9, 2006 at 3:27 AM | PERMALINK

He moved them so they ain't on 'k' street any more. :)

Posted by: Mca on March 9, 2006 at 3:45 AM | PERMALINK

The Republican party is just full of santorum.

Posted by: Full of it on March 9, 2006 at 4:01 AM | PERMALINK

Neo-Con speak is always backasswards.

I had absolutely not nothing to do -- never not met, never not talked, never not coordinated, never not did anything -- with Grover not Norquist and the -- quote -- not K Street Project," Mr. Not Santorum said

Posted by: one eye buck tooth [X^B on March 9, 2006 at 4:07 AM | PERMALINK

Why shoot a fish in the barrel?

If you have to ask, you're too naive to be on the internet.

I have to say, though, linking all this to Republicans on the part of some commenters shows appalling ignorance -- 15 years ago it was all about Democrats, and the sins were indistinguishable. If you don't like the results of the two-party system, don't vote for it.

Posted by: Shelby on March 9, 2006 at 5:31 AM | PERMALINK

Ooo.

Fifteen years ago.

...Wait, fifteen years ago? What happened fifteen years ago?

I can think of things that happened twenty years ago, but they still weren't party-wide like this...

Posted by: Crissa on March 9, 2006 at 7:38 AM | PERMALINK

Shelby's talking about Iran-Contra, a scandal in which a Democratic administration...

...no, wait...

Posted by: Winston Smith on March 9, 2006 at 7:55 AM | PERMALINK

Santorum is an honorable man. so are they all, honorable men.

Posted by: cleek on March 9, 2006 at 7:57 AM | PERMALINK

Right. The House Banking scandal was peanuts compared to this. Thousands of dollars, individual members. Now we have congressmen taking over $2M in bribes to send potentially $Bs in pork to the right(?) vendor. We have a lobbyist moving $Ms around to finance various things, and this lobbyist being very closely aligned with most of the Republican leadership. In both houses.

Posted by: VOR on March 9, 2006 at 7:57 AM | PERMALINK

Can we call the Heritage Foundation a lobbying group?

Posted by: David in NY on March 9, 2006 at 9:01 AM | PERMALINK

Dems were pretty dirty in the late 80's - early 90's. How that excuses today's Republican blowfest escapes me.

The difference is that the Dem's misbehavior was individually selfish, not organized. And they were villified the minute they were exposed. The K-Street and Abramoff power/money grabs are systemic within the GOP leadership. And they didn't see any cause for apology until public outcry gained traction.

Posted by: wishIwuz2 on March 9, 2006 at 9:01 AM | PERMALINK

That sounds like a pretty frothy mixture to me.

Posted by: Ruck on March 9, 2006 at 9:45 AM | PERMALINK

I wonder where he learned how to parse the word "is"?

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 9:56 AM | PERMALINK

Someone on Slate was saying that the GOP prides itself on operating with corporate efficiency, so perhaps it's taken the GOP Congress only 12 years to become as corrupt and inefficient as the Dems did over a period of 40 years.

Posted by: pcashwell on March 9, 2006 at 9:57 AM | PERMALINK

"Not one dime" - Howie Dean. Well ok just a few dimes, but less dimes than those other guys. Let's see need distraction hmmm........hey Bush is listening to your phone calls!

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 9:58 AM | PERMALINK

Can we call the Heritage Foundation a lobbying group?
Posted by: David in NY

Depends on how many copies of Alan Greenspan's forthcoming memoirs they buy. I'm guessing several truckloads. How many doorstops do those guys need?

Posted by: CFShep on March 9, 2006 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK

Uh Jay. Your post was the same yesterday. It was a lie then - it's a lie now. Give it up. Oh and since you're repeating, must be time to reboot. Or switch on Rush the wonder addict.

Posted by: ckelly on March 9, 2006 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

In the land of drudging up the same complaint after complaint after complaint, I felt it appropriate to post the same response after response after response.

BTW, it is not a lie, that's an actual quote from your comrade Howie Dean. So I guess you could say that you lied. Hmmmmm......I didn't realize that liberals lied. That is strange isn't it?

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 10:19 AM | PERMALINK

You also might want to check that Gospel of truth you call Vanity Fair to see how much money the Dems received. You know that magazine, the one that had America's most covert spy pictured on the cover.

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 10:21 AM | PERMALINK

What's your point? Those locations are between D and E and no where near K street.

Posted by: tbrosz on March 9, 2006 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK

I'm trying to see some equivalency in Howard Dean and (P)Rick Santorum. Or relevancy of this equation.
I mean, were we discussing Howard Dean?

Posted by: Mr. Bill on March 9, 2006 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK

Jay: I wonder where he learned how to parse the word "is"?

Probably from we-didn't-trade-arms-for-hostages Reagan, no-new-taxes Bush, and I'm-not-a-crook Nixon.

Who were you thinking of?

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 9, 2006 at 10:29 AM | PERMALINK

Well of course not Mr. Bill, remember it's only the republican corruption that matters. Stick to your talking points: Republicans = evil, Democrats = sugar and spice and all things nice.
You'll receive those daily from AirAmerica Radio......oh wait, I think they went out of business. Nevermind.

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 10:31 AM | PERMALINK

Jay: BTW, it is not a lie, that's an actual quote from your comrade Howie Dean. So I guess you could say that you lied. Hmmmmm......I didn't realize that liberals lied. That is strange isn't it?

It's a partical quote, not an actual quote.

Strange that it is indeed you that lied after all.

Bush said "imminent".

Hey, under Jay's theory of quotes, I just quoted Bush!

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 9, 2006 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

Gee I don't know advocate, try taking off the blinders and you may find that there is a bigger world out there than the dysfuctional liberal land.

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK

Jay: Stick to your talking points: Republicans = evil, Democrats = sugar and spice and all things nice.

Followed by another lie.

Please link to any comment by any liberal poster who said that Democrats are "sugar and spice and all things nice."

Remember to use the same standard that you use for claiming Bush never said that the threat from Saddam was imminent!

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 9, 2006 at 10:35 AM | PERMALINK

On the Today show with Komrade Katie Kouric, KKK for short, labour party member Howie Dean quoted that phrase twice and even held up one finger to emphasize "Not one". Then preceeded to tell his fellow Komrade that this was strictly a republican scandal. hmmmmmm.......I guess you conveniently missed that. That's why I am here.

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK

Jay: Gee I don't know advocate, try taking off the blinders and you may find that there is a bigger world out there than the dysfuctional liberal land.

I took them off when Reagan negotiated with terrorists and traded arms for their hostages, after proclaiming to the world that he would never negotiate with terrorists.

Why haven't you taken yours off?

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 9, 2006 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK

Jay, being partisan is fine, but being an idiot is neither a good recruiting tool (at least not here)nor does it produce interesting arguments or comments. Surely there is someplace else where you'll find fellows? At any rate, leave us alone.

Posted by: Ace Franze on March 9, 2006 at 10:38 AM | PERMALINK

What does Reagan have to do with Santorum? According to Mr. Bill we were talking about Santorum. I guess though one man's terrorists are another man's freedom fighters. I felt the Contras were right and you feel the islamic jihadists are right. See how that works.

Could I then be saying that Comrade Howie lied. "He played upon our fears!!!!!!!!"

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 10:40 AM | PERMALINK

Folks, stop feeding the dimwitted troll, please.

Posted by: public service announcement on March 9, 2006 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

My job is too mock and ridicule all of you loser liberals. The fanatical minority fringe of the minority party. I love my job.

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

Jay: On the Today show with Komrade Katie Kouric, KKK for short, labour party member Howie Dean quoted that phrase twice and even held up one finger to emphasize "Not one". Then preceeded to tell his fellow Komrade that this was strictly a republican scandal. hmmmmmm.......I guess you conveniently missed that. That's why I am here.

Tony Blair is Labour Party, not Dean.

Yet another lie.

You are really outpacing yourself today, Jay.

And Abramoff is strictly a Republican scandal.

I guess you conveniently missed that.

BTW, the quotes from the Couric interview:

"That is absolutely false. That did not happen. Not one dime of money from Jack Abramoff went to any Democrat at any time."

"Not one dime of Jack Abramoff money ever went to any Democrat. We can show you the FEC reports, wed be very happy to do it. Theres a lot of stuff in the press that the Republican National Committees been spinning that this is a bipartisan scandal. It is a Republican-financed scandal. Not one dime of money from Jack Abramoff ever went to any Democrat, not one dime."

See, "Not one dime." does not occur anywhere in there.

So, yours was a partial quote, or a lie if you will, since it was written as an entire quote.

Since you are a moron, that means without ellipses to show that words were left out of the quote.

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 9, 2006 at 10:42 AM | PERMALINK

Why shoot a fish in the barrel?

I bet Dick Cheney could give you good reasons to do so.

Posted by: Irony Man on March 9, 2006 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK

And off topic, but Samurai Sam has a fine smackdown of Rumfeld's 'Tinkerbell' ("Clap Louder!") take on Iraq..Recommended!
http://samuraisam1.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Mr. Bill on March 9, 2006 at 10:48 AM | PERMALINK

What is the meaning of "is" advocate. You seem to be able to compartmentlaize the truth as well as Klinton.

And the "labour party" quote was just sarcasm advo, it's called sense of humor. The democrats might want to remember that part of the human condition, it would serve them well. Unless of course "playing upon our fears!!!!!!!!" seems to be working for you and judging from the last two elections, well...........

Say hello to President McCain.

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

Jay: My job is too mock and ridicule all of you loser liberals.

And you are as effective in that job as Bush has been at fiscal responsibility, destroying strategic alliances, finding WMDs, and capturing bin Laden.

The scary part?

Bush also loves his job.

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 9, 2006 at 10:58 AM | PERMALINK

Jay: Unless of course "playing upon our fears!!!!!!!!" seems to be working for you and judging from the last two elections, well...........

Yes, judging from the last two elections playing on peoples fears (e.g., by manipulating the "homeland" security threat status) worked just fine for the GOP.

So, liberals would be remiss in not trying to do the same, even assuming that they are.

After all, liberals have learned from the best fearmongers around: Cheney & Bush.

Say hello to President McCain.

McCain will pull a Goldwater yet.

It's in his nature.

And, after all, he couldn't even beat Bush and as conservatives are always proclaiming, if you can't beat someone as bad as Bush, then you aren't very good.

Unless of course conservatives were being hypocrites and liars when they were saying that, eh, Jay?

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 9, 2006 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

And seeing that the Republicans have all the cards, House, Senate, Administration, and, after 20 decades of Federalist Society plotting, the Courts, Damn Right there is no equivalence between Democratic and Republican corruption. Even in orders of magnitude..
Of course, no conservative ever is responsible for anything. No conservatives influenced or even subimitted legislation, voted for legislation, ran an agency, had a inpact on social policy. No conservatives ran an administration, or agency, had any political power, since, say FDR...

Posted by: Mr. Bill on March 9, 2006 at 11:11 AM | PERMALINK

McCain far outdistances anything the Democrats can offer. And if he would adhere to the conservative value of smaller government and less spending, which Bush has done a miserable job of, then he will do very well.

Let's talk about destroying strategic alliances. It seems as though your ally Chirac suffered a major blow when his people unanimously destroyed his referendum and Chancellor Shroeder of Germany is now a private citizen while Howard of Australia, who happened to support Bush, was just re-elected over whelmingly. Now onto the middle east....is would appear that India is now in the "ally" category and working along side us as is the UAE, which is unfortunately being "profiled" by democrats and republicans for political posturing. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, Jordan, and Egypt still good freinds. Would they be considered strategic alliances?

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 11:11 AM | PERMALINK

My job is too mock and ridicule all of you loser liberals.

Do you mind sharing how much you make? Is this one of those great new jobs Bush brags about creating?

And you said you were from the 'southwest.' Are you sure you didn't mean Alabama? I could have sworn I knew somebody like you from Alabama.

Posted by: Tripp on March 9, 2006 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

Jay, pick a subject and stick with it. your ADD is even more annoying than your inaccuracies.

Posted by: cleek on March 9, 2006 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

There is a lot of people like me everywhere Tripp and therein lies the Democratic problem.

Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

Jay: McCain far outdistances anything the Democrats can offer.

A self-serving opinion.

And if he would . . .

If, if, if . . .

Now, isn't that what conservatives are always jumping on liberals for saying?

. . . which is unfortunately being "profiled" by democrats . . .

Gee, I guess the MSM lied when they reported that much if not most of the opposition and proposed legislation to ban such port deals has come from within the GOP itself.

There is a lot of people like me everywhere Tripp . . . em>

And most of them are hiding out in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan and the back alleys of Iraq or associating with crooks like Abramoff or running countries as dictatorships.

And therein lies the problem for the GOP.

Bush's Rasmussen approval: 43%

Bush's Rasmussen approval on national security: below that of the Democrats.

Bush lied, soldiers died.

Bush failed, soldiers were assailed.

It's working, despite all the heartfelt advice from conservative posters that Dems can't possibly win unless they abandon their strategy of repeatedly calling Bush a liar and incompetent.

And it helps that the negativism is all true.

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 9, 2006 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

Jay, you and your buddies coming here day after day calling us immoral perverts swimming in a liberal cesspool does little for your side either.
Anyone can read these comments. Somewhere one of the mad mullahs are demonstrating how split we are here. It's easy too see how crazy you boy's are.

Posted by: Neo on March 9, 2006 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK

Jay, I remember the Clinton Presidency.
While the mullahs were attacking the World Trade towers, the Republicans were attacking the President . When he attempted to deal with Osama with cruise missiles, it was called 'wag the dog'. Partisan politics stopped ending at the water's edge, and nothing to smear Clinton was off limits, regardless of it's relevance or truthfulness.
Conservatives must realize that we owe the Current Occupant of the Oval Office the same loyalty and respect you gave the previous.
No more, and certainly no less...

Posted by: Mr. Bill on March 9, 2006 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

There is a lot of people like me everywhere Tripp and therein lies the Democratic problem.
Posted by: Jay on March 9, 2006

I'd say it's the country's problem as a whole.

Posted by: ckelly on March 9, 2006 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

Jay writes: remember it's only the republican corruption that matters.

Well, since the Republicans control the White House, the House of Representatives and the Senate, then Republican corruption has much more serious consequences. So yes, in a sense, only Republican corruption matters at this point.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on March 9, 2006 at 12:20 PM | PERMALINK

There is a lot of people like me everywhere Tripp

There is?

I dig the whole "I am woman hear me roar" thing and all but I'm trying to figure out what you mean by "people like you?"

You mean people with the job of coming on this blog and ridiculing me? Frankly I don't see all that many with that job. A small handful for sure.

So what do you mean by "people like you?"

Oh, and how did you get your job and what does it pay?

This may seem rude but you were the one to bring up your job. You seem to bring a lot of things up but then just let them drop.

Posted by: Tripp on March 9, 2006 at 12:22 PM | PERMALINK

Tripp,

Is this a conspiracy theory (which is not to say that it isn't true), or is it a documented fact that some people are paid to make pro-Bush comments on blogs? Who would pay for such a thing?

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on March 9, 2006 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

"That's why I am here."

You are here because you are unemployed and unemployable, and, of course, when you go out in public children laugh and point, dogs bark, and right-thinking citizens try to run you over with their cars.

Posted by: solar on March 9, 2006 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

Daryl,

Jay himself said he was paid to ridicule loser liberals on this blog. There have also been documented cases where bloggers themselves were paid to present the RNC talking points.

My guess is there is some "think-tank" with a fund for an outreach program of some kind.

Why else would someone join College Republicans? Have you seen those losers? Obviously somebody is paying them to do it. It is the Republican corruption and cronyism farm system. That's where they learn most of their dirty tricks for later use.

Posted by: Tripp on March 9, 2006 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

If they paid Armstrong Williams $250k to promote their talking points why wouldn't they pay an anonymous idiot $5 an hour to sit at home in his underwear and harass people on liberal blogs? At the very least it's far more economical. I wouldn't be surprised if someday it were discovered that there really is a 101st Battalion of Flying Keyboarders.

Posted by: zoe kentucky on March 9, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

"$5 an hour"

You think the pubs don't pay minimum wage?

Posted by: Ace Franze on March 9, 2006 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

jay....


"Jack is directly involved in the Republican party and conservative movement leadership and is one of the leading fund raisers for the party and its congressional candidates."

From Jack Abramoff's bio on the Greenberg-Traurig website, circa 2003.

SEE IF YOU CAN FIND THE WORD DEMOCRAT CONNECTED WITH ABRAMOFF HERE:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030612020908/http://gtlaw.com/bios/govadmin/abramoffj.htm


that was easy....

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on March 9, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

Well, since the Republicans control the White House, the House of Representatives and the Senate, then Republican corruption has much more serious consequences. So yes, in a sense, only Republican corruption matters at this point.
Posted by: Daryl McCullough

And SCOTUS. "Quack, quack." They're doing a smashing job on the Federal Courts, too.

Posted by: CFShep on March 9, 2006 at 4:34 PM | PERMALINK

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PENIS DEL MUNDO: Look, bottom line is... we're around each other an'... this thing, it grabs hold of us again... at the wrong place... at the wrong time... and we're dead.

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