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March 11, 2006
By: Roxanne Cooper

POLYGAMY AND THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY.... HBO's new comedy series, "Big Love," has spawned some interesting commentary from John Tierney, which has, in turn, spawned some interesting feedback from the blogosphere. I particularly enjoy this commenter's take on Tierney:

It's not like women actually enjoy or seek out sex, ever; so why shouldn't they spread the misery around to their friends? Although their failure to want sex does allow for girl-girl-boy threesomes at any convenient moment. That goes double if they have gymnastic bodies, which, if they don't, clearly there's something wrong with them.

Leaving John 'Nabokov' Tierney's perverse version of Libertarianism out of it for the moment, can either of the two major parties use "Big Love" to their political advantage in November?

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There is no equivalence between the two parties on this issue.

The party of death and free love will welcome polygamy with open arms and the party of moarality and personal responsibility has already expressed its disgust with anything other than one man on one woman love. The voters resoundingly rejected Kerry's sales pitch that anything other than that is the truth.

Posted by: faketbrosz on March 11, 2006 at 9:00 PM | PERMALINK

He said it's
"an arrangement that can make sense for some people in some circumstances....an institution that has been around for so long must have had something going for it."

For a second there, I thought he was talking about slavery.

Posted by: craigie on March 11, 2006 at 9:05 PM | PERMALINK

I see no clear political angle on polygamy because it is so completely alien to the American mainstream. In other words, should the issue of polygamy somehow come up during a campaign - though I can't imagine how - politicians of both parties would have to condemn it in the strongest terms.

Now, things get more interesting if you extend the definition of polygamy to encompass serial (also known as _de facto_) polygamy, best exemplified by the Alpha Male executive who trade in his current trophy wife on a new model every few years. This practice might have some political ramifications, if for no other reason than the sort of men who engage in it tend to be Republican. I can't think of any specific political angles, hwoever.

Posted by: Peter on March 11, 2006 at 9:10 PM | PERMALINK

You have to ask whether making a joke of polygamy will make Mormons in general feel persecuted by godless blue Hollywood. The Mormon church gives lip service to outlawing polygamy but has also winked at its continued existence. Mainstream Mormons may not believe in polygamy but neither are they comfortable with rejecting it because it occurs within the most devout fringe.

The dressed up Hollywood version ignores realities like 14 yo girls raised in isolation, domestic slavery, uneducated, then given away to middle aged men by their patriarchal fathers, teen age boys driven from their families and communities because they present competition to the middle-aged and elderly patriachs, and the support of these extended families by welfare not work. Social services, public health, and law enforcement continue to turn a blind eye. The idea that these families live in suburbia and the fathers hold down professional level jobs while the wives and daughters shop at the mall is ludicrous.

HBO may have gotten the Mormon church to waive its objections by glossing over and dressing up the reality, but those who live in Utah know better, as do Mormons themselves (I am an apostate Mormon). This idiocy will play to the Republicans and I am ashamed of HBO for milking the sexual titillation while obscuring the social issues of an ugly reality.

Posted by: Nancy on March 11, 2006 at 9:16 PM | PERMALINK

"John 'Nabokov' Tierney"? Wha?

Posted by: Anon on March 11, 2006 at 9:20 PM | PERMALINK

Anon, presumably 'Nabokov' is a reference to Vladimir Nabokov, the author of Lolita.

Posted by: Richard Parker on March 11, 2006 at 9:27 PM | PERMALINK

Any candidate who wishes to capture the 18-29 male vote would be wise to exploit the massive consumer demand for hot bi babes.

Any resemblance to actually-existing polygamy should naturally be avoided in the campaign spots.

Posted by: Satan on March 11, 2006 at 9:30 PM | PERMALINK

I applaud Mr. Tierney's enlightened viewpoint. There aren't many men these days who would be comfortable sharing their wives with other men.

So, just how many husbands does Mrs. Tierney have?

Posted by: josef on March 11, 2006 at 9:36 PM | PERMALINK

I saw a preview of the series on Wednesday night in NYC. Big Love is a very well-done show, and is an hour-long drama, not a comedy.

I wrote about my first imressions here, if anyone's interested.

Rob

Posted by: Rob Staeger on March 11, 2006 at 9:38 PM | PERMALINK

Doesn't the fact that Tierney has come out in support of polygamy suggest that the Republicans are willing to own it?

Ask yourself why. Women barefoot and pregnant, no birth control, no education or jobs for women, everything run according to scripture, total exclusion of the state from family matters, every man the king of his castle.

This isn't about sex. Mormons vote as a block, with even the smallest issues settled by the church, and they are always Republican.

Posted by: Nancy on March 11, 2006 at 9:38 PM | PERMALINK

Nancy wrote:

HBO may have gotten the Mormon church to waive its objections by glossing over and dressing up the reality, but those who live in Utah know better, as do Mormons themselves (I am an apostate Mormon). This idiocy will play to the Republicans and I am ashamed of HBO for milking the sexual titillation while obscuring the social issues of an ugly reality.

Don't be ashamed of HBO yet. As I said, the show isn't played for laughs, and considering the Harry Dean Stanton character (the leader of the polygamy cult) has a 15-year old bride, I'm sure they're not going to ignore the social ramifications.

Give it a look; it's distrubing and quite good.

Posted by: Rob Staeger on March 11, 2006 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK

If Democrats show tolerance for polygamy in 2008, will that put Utah in play?

Posted by: James E. Powell on March 11, 2006 at 9:47 PM | PERMALINK

The phrase "making a joke of something" does not mean that it is funny haha. It is irrelevant whether the show is intended as a comedy or a drama. It bears no resemblance to polygamy as practiced. I guess most of TV is unlike reality, but usually people realize it. If we are going to talk about polygamy we should be talking about the way it exists, not some missed-opportunity of a show (given the way it has chosen to portray polygamy).

Posted by: Nancy on March 11, 2006 at 9:47 PM | PERMALINK

My mistake. I thought you were following Roxanne's lead where she calls it a comedy in her original post. But having seen the first episode, I don't think it will be ignoring all of the issues that you raise, despite the unlikely situation of the main characters.

Posted by: Rob Staeger on March 11, 2006 at 9:52 PM | PERMALINK

Acid - Amnesty and Abortion conveys the gist of it for the Dem's.
Acid being a repeal of the failed prohibition and should also include the victimless crimes of prostitution and obscenity. Police have no place in the bedroom AND the fucking living room or kitchen.
Amnesty can be widened out to allow for the essential and growing - NO BORDERS - movement.

" If you seek peace; if you seek prosperity for the United State's AND South America. If you seek liberalization... Mr Bush - TEAR DOWN THIS WALL! "

We are all Americans now everywhere - so we can all move anywhere around the world with all the same rights as Capital can.
In the future days which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon these three essential human freedoms.
The first is freedom of MOVEMENT OR AMNESTY.
Abortion properly understood means poly and other relationships being given a level playing field to compete with the old nuclear family. More choices and options and freedoms - less nanny statism that is rapidly becoming unsustainable and dangerous anyway. Acid is psylocibin is ecstasy and all thruthful beauty - that is all ye know and all ye should need to know.

Event's seem to be conspiring to remove one sector of the elite and replace them with another. When the other's fail to deliver on acid, amnesty and abortion then they will suffer the same fate now befalling the present criminal regime.

The next regime change will not be so gentle though, so Donk's, be careful what you wish for...and who you wish it on. Your only any good to us to launch missiles from.

Posted by: professor rat on March 11, 2006 at 9:53 PM | PERMALINK

I will give it a chance -- and you do have the advantage of having seen it. But, don't you see the difference between making the girl 15 instead of 14 or younger, between Harry Dean Stanton and the more attractive male featured in the ads (forgot his name)? When you dress this up it becomes more palatable, less disturbing, more acceptable as sex-fantasy material. We should be thinking about Elizabeth Smart kidnapped from her bedroom, not every guy's fantasy of marrying Brittany Spears before she hit 20. These girls are kids not women.

Frankly, I don't see much difference between HBO pretending to care and the state of Utah pretending.

Posted by: Nancy on March 11, 2006 at 9:56 PM | PERMALINK

So, just how many husbands does Mr. Tierney have?

By far the funniest post of the weekend.

Posted by: lib on March 11, 2006 at 9:57 PM | PERMALINK

I guess most of TV is unlike reality, but usually people realize it.

"Usually?"

Posted by: Irony Man on March 11, 2006 at 10:00 PM | PERMALINK

"So, just how many husbands does Mr. Tierney have?"

It sounds like she has one too many.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on March 11, 2006 at 10:04 PM | PERMALINK

Bill Paxton's the guy in the ads.

As for the girl, I estimated her age. She was a friend of one of Jean Tripplehorn's daughters before they left the commune, and she looks very young -- not fantasy age, pedophile age, at least to me. When Tripplehorn discovers that she has married Roman (the Stanton character), she's horrified.

The show is meant to disturb, at least in one aspect of it. But it is also supposed to be an engaing drama. I'm willing to give HBO the same lattitude with it that it gets for the Sopranos. I'm sure they could do a far more realistic look at prganized crime if they wanted to, but the show they put together in that milieu is well done nonetheless.

Posted by: Rob Staeger on March 11, 2006 at 10:06 PM | PERMALINK

Frankly, I don't see much difference between HBO pretending to care and the state of Utah pretending.

I'd say the state of Utah's obligation to enforce the law really puts them in a position with a lot more responsibility in this matter.

Posted by: Rob Staeger on March 11, 2006 at 10:10 PM | PERMALINK

Anon, presumably 'Nabokov' is a reference to Vladimir Nabokov, the author of Lolita.

Yeah, I guessed it wasn't a reference to Frank Nabokov. I'm just wondering what's being suggested here. That Tierney is a great novelist? If Roxanne had said "John 'Humbert Humbert' Tierney", it might have made more sense.

Posted by: Anon on March 11, 2006 at 10:22 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe Tierney's just trying to appease the GOP's UAE/Saudi overlords. A position in the Carlyle group after retirement would assure him enough money to buy unlimited Thai virgins.

Posted by: toast on March 11, 2006 at 10:33 PM | PERMALINK

I'm afraid this polygamy thing as embraced here by Tierney is a slippery slope....after all, what's next.....man on dog?

Posted by: control13 on March 11, 2006 at 10:33 PM | PERMALINK

Man on dogs, control13... man on dogs.

Posted by: Rob Staeger on March 11, 2006 at 10:34 PM | PERMALINK

Event's seem to be conspiring to remove one sector of the elite and replace them with another. When the other's fail to deliver on acid, amnesty and abortion then they will suffer the same fate now befalling the present criminal regime.

The next regime change will not be so gentle though, so Donk's, be careful what you wish for...and who you wish it on. Your only any good to us to launch missiles from.
Posted by: professor rat on March 11, 2006 at

Kinda Like The Rabid DC Neo-Cons huh?
Hungry Mich. Wolves Turning on Each Other
By JOHN FLESHER
Associated Press Writer

March 11, 2006, 8:38 AM EST

TRAVERSE CITY, Mich. -- Gnawing leisurely on the remains of a moose carcass, the wolf pack's alpha male seemed unaware that mortal danger was coming ever closer.

Suddenly the eight-member rival pack burst into view. The alpha scrambled to his feet, but too late. Howling and barking, the enemy chased him down and mercilessly attacked, killing the hapless victim within a couple of minutes.

It's not unusual for the gray wolves on Isle Royale National Park to target each other, said John Vucetich, a Michigan Tech University wildlife biologist who witnessed the carnage from an airplane in January. But the rival pack's brazen invasion of another's territory was a sign -- the wolves are hungry. The reason is a steady decline of moose, now at their lowest ebb in the 48 years that scientists have studied the two species in Isle Royale's closed environment.

I think the yellow elephants should be careful whom they have screwed.
The 'Pack' likes ALPHA Elephants.

Posted by: one eye budk tooth [X^B on March 11, 2006 at 11:01 PM | PERMALINK

Um, does anyone else take Tierney's take to be dripping with sarcasm? Can it be seen any other way?

Posted by: Kenji on March 11, 2006 at 11:03 PM | PERMALINK

Just to add some insult to ELEPHANT Injury, and of course give the good folks here something to laugh about perhaps, The "O.C." Republicans,,,
Or Should I say RePIGnicans?
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hose ELITIST Spoiled Millionaire Wackos (You too Duhbya)
Trio Get 6 Years for Taped Sex Assault

Now 20, she choked back tears as she described viewing the taped assault so she could testify against the men effectively.

The video, which has not been made public, shows the nude victim being sexually assaulted on a pool table, prosecutors said.

"When did I become a piece of meat? How can anything human do the things that they did? They did things not even a savage animal would do," the victim said.

Defense attorneys argued at trial that the girl was a willing participant in a "weekend sexcapade" and was faking unconsciousness because she wanted to be a porn star.

The first trial of the defendants ended in deadlock in June 2004. A second jury convicted the three defendants last March of a total of 15 felony counts of sexual assault. They were acquitted on other charges, including rape.

"I look at each defendant as being equally culpable," Judge Francisco Briseno said Friday. "This was with one intent, and that intent was to degrade the victim."

Gregory Haidl, 20, the son of millionaire and former Assistant Sheriff Don Haidl, apologized to the victim during the hearing.

"It was never my intention to hurt you and cause you pain," said Haidl, who taped the July 2002 assault at his father's home. "I can't take back any negative feelings and emotions, and I'm sorry for that also."

Kyle Nachreiner, 21, told the court he accepted responsibility for his "repugnant" actions, while Keith Spann, 21, declined to make a statement but sobbed openly as his mother pleaded with the judge for leniency.

Assistant District Attorney Chuck Middleton the terms were sufficient to "send a message to these three men, and if they're smart they'll come out of prison and lead a respectful life."

The victim told prosecutors she was pleased with the prison terms. She has filed a $26 million lawsuit against the defendants, Haidl's parents and others. And of course in Wacko World it Usually Gets WackierDecember 5, 2004

By Mike Madigan

George Jaramillo and Don Haidl had it all, then both were done in by sex. Jaramillo, an attorney and former Garden Grove police officer, helped candidate Mike Carona raise campaign funds and meet potential supporters. When he introduced the candidate to Haidl, a millionaire businessman from San Bernardino, both men hitched their stars to Carona, who thanked them well. As soon as he was elected, Sheriff Carona obtained clearance from the Board of Supervisors to promote them to powerful positions as Assistant Sheriffs over many more qualified and deserving candidates. After a rocky start, Sheriff Carona gradually won over the rank and file and because of his growing popularity, Jaramillo and Haidl were given time to prove themselves. As time passed both men were watched very closely by many who believed they were not qualified and when trouble came, they were not given second chances. Heres the short version of how George Jaramillo and Don Haidl lost their badges.

LUNCH WITH GEORGE

In September 2002, I wrote a story questioning why Sheriff Carona was having lunch with DA Tony Rackauckas and businessman Patrick DiCarlo at upscale Antonellos Restaurant in Newport Beach (http://www.twistedbadge.com/feature_VICTIM5.htm). A few days after the story ran, Assistant Sheriff Jaramillo called me to say the Sheriff wanted to invite me to lunch. A few weeks later I was in Jaramillos office waiting for the Sheriff as he explained that he served at the pleasure of the Sheriff and if called upon to run for Sheriff should Carona leave, he would be honored to do so. Smooth. Thats the word to describe George Jaramillo. Smooth. I didnt get any answers at that lunch, but I did get George Jaramillos private number and his promise to personally authorize any inspections I might like to conduct at the jail. It was interesting to me that Jaramillo prevented Sheriff Carona from answering my questions by diverting the conversation to a topic I was not there to discuss.

Out of respect for Mike Carona, everyone, including me, gave George Jaramillo the benefit of the doubt. At Garden Grove he was reportedly accused of using the police computer in connection with private legal cases he was handling, but that was old news. He was reputedly a womanizer, but that too was not news - until he went too far.

Last year, the people who were watching Jaramillo started reporting in and his activities came to the attention of the feds. He accepted $25,000. from a company to help market a product which the company claimed could safely end police pursuits. Jaramillo, reportedly on some occasions without the Sheriffs authority, committed county resources to a series of tests at the Orange County Fairgrounds. Then he got his very attractive and competent sister-in-law hired as the office manager at the company. Earlier this year, a federal search warrant served on Jaramillos home resulted in the discovery of love letters on his computer. I include the fact that Jaramillos wifes sister is very attractive because he had reportedly been having an affair with her for some time. Ive heard some of these encounters may have been filmed by undercover officers, but that really doesnt matter. Under investigation by the feds, an angry wife is George Jaramillos worst nightmare.

When Sheriff Carona fired Jaramillo, I felt the Sheriff had finally declared his independence, but the rank and file werent yet fully satisfied. One down, one to go. was the word on the street. Some say this was a fitting end to the law enforcement career of George Jaramillo, a man who went too far, too fast and never paid his dues. At any rate, its clear that Smooth George is in for rough times.

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY

Don Haidl is all about money. When George Jaramillo introduced him to candidate Mike Carona, Haidl stepped up and delivered. Checks flowed in and Caronas campaign had more than enough to win the election. After he was sworn in as the Assistant Sheriff in charge of the Reserve Officer program, Haidl wasted little time implementing a business plan for raising campaign funds. By expanding the reserve force to 1000 members, Sheriff Carona could count on at least $1,000. from each reserve officer at campaign time and probably a lot more from their friends and families. Thats more than a million dollars! What Haidl didnt consider was that giving guns and badges to 1000 people with limited training could also be a recipe for disaster. Fortunately for the Sheriff, Haidls plan fizzled and he recently resigned to spend more time with his son, Gregory, who is facing trial on two separate criminal charges of allegedly gang-raping one female minor and having unlawful sexual intercourse with another.

GET OUT JAIL FREE

Millionaires sometimes go out of their way to make sure their kids are well grounded, but apparently, Don Haidl did not. As a young teenager, Gregory Haidl was the son of a divorced father with a lot of money who moved to Orange County and got a big badge. The lure of The OC was not lost on young Gregory and with a rich and powerful father, the sky was the limit. Sex, drugs, rock and roll became Gregory Haidls lifestyle and there were no limits. When he and two friends had sex with a 16 year old girl at Don Haidls home in Orange County, Gregory felt so bullet proof that he videotaped the sex and bragged about it later. If Gregory Haidl had felt even a little worried that he had gone too far, he and his friends would not be facing prison time. But he wasnt worried. He was proud of the tape until he realized that it was evidence of an outrageous series of criminal acts, but then it was too late.

True to form, Don Haidl has dealt with his sons problems by throwing money at them and so far, nothing has worked. Lawyers, doctors, private investigators and reward offers have done nothing but make things worse. Don Haidl feels that DA Tony Rackauckas is going after his son to get much needed publicity as a tough on crime prosecutor. Haidl feels that Rackauckas should be his friend because he gave money to his campaign too. Apparently, Don Haidl didnt explain to his son that he was trying to earn the respect of law enforcement and seeking favors was not a good thing.

Gregory Haidl had a get out of jail free card for most of his teenage years. After his recent non-arrest in Santa Ana for driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol, his bail was revoked and hes now awaiting trial in the mental health unit of the Orange County Jail. Sadly, it took a Superior Court Judge to finally tell Gregory Haidl that the party is over.

END OF PART SIX - If you think this is just the tip of the iceberg, youre right. For the inside story, stay tuned to www.twistedbadge.com

Posted by: one eye budk tooth [X^B on March 11, 2006 at 11:05 PM | PERMALINK

If today's rightwingers lived in Victorian Britain, they would be viewed as revolting moral nihilists. Defending cruelty towards animals? Assaulting the fair sex by supporting men who engage in degrading behavior towards females, up to and including polygamy? The Queen would have them thrown in Newgate.

Posted by: brooksfoe on March 11, 2006 at 11:35 PM | PERMALINK

I haven't seen the show yet, so I'm not commenting on it.

In real life, though there's obviously a very nasty and coercive nature to the forced polygamy that's practiced by LDS offshoots in Utah and Arizona. The local governments sanction the practices. The problem there is the non-consensual nature of the activities, including children who don't have the legal right to consent.

There's also such a thing as polyamory which is having more than one romantic partner with no force used at all. If that works for people, I personally don't see any problem with it at all. People should be able to pick their own lovers as long as it's all between consenting adults. There are plently of books and websites if you're really interested in how it works for people - just google polyamory.

Posted by: Lee Stranahan on March 11, 2006 at 11:51 PM | PERMALINK

This isn't about sex. Mormons vote as a block, with even the smallest issues settled by the church, and they are always Republican.

Oh, I dunno. Ever hear of Harry Reid?

Posted by: dante on March 12, 2006 at 12:18 AM | PERMALINK

The party of death and free love will welcome polygamy with open arms and the party of moarality and personal responsibility has already expressed its disgust with anything other than one man on one woman love. The voters resoundingly rejected Kerry's sales pitch that anything other than that is the truth.
Posted by: faketbrosz on March 11, 2006 at 9:00 PM

Prove that Morality thing faketbrosz.

90% of America believes in GOD.
So you ARE saying that ONLY people that Vote for Bush are MORAL?
How can that Be Mr Faketbrosz?
Are you Saying that YOUR Christianity is BETTER than or more MORAL than the 70% of Americans who are not approving of Mr Bush Right now?

How can that Be Fasketbroz?

Prove to us here How you correlate a poltical party to Christianity given the numbers above?

Furthermore, Fasketbroz, The Kerry Bush vote Was not that far split, given that alot of people didn;t vote.
So Still that means 45% Christians voted for Kerry
And 45% Chrisitians voted for Bush.

How SO IS your CHRISTIANITY more moral fasketbroz?

I find this a VERY ODD way, that you, have projected your Opinons unto another person thru a computer screen.

Is that YOU Dr. Frist?

Posted by: one eye buck tooth [X^B on March 12, 2006 at 12:29 AM | PERMALINK

How so Fasketbroz is giving corrupt lobbyists money thru Abramoff 'Charities' moral JudeoChristianity?

Tell me fasketbrosz about Abramoffs Tax free charities that were tax frauds?
Tell me how cunningham is more moral?

What about Safavian?
What about franklin and AIPAC fasketbrosz?
Huh?

Posted by: one eye buck tooth [X^B on March 12, 2006 at 12:34 AM | PERMALINK

I just finished reading a book entitled Under the Banner of Heaven about Mormon Fundamentalism and polygamist communities. Very disturbing. Left me feeling like by beiong born a Jew I dodged a bullet.

Posted by: Global Citizen on March 12, 2006 at 1:45 AM | PERMALINK

Geez, it's getting a bit surreal to sit and watch a fake tbrosz getting reamed out on this site...

Posted by: tbrosz on March 12, 2006 at 2:01 AM | PERMALINK

Now just a minute. I believe in the sacredness of a life-long partnership of one man and one woman, but is this a free country or not? Answer: not.

If people want to live that way, why should the rest of us feel like we have to stop them? Answer: the Bible religions that founded this country hate the idea, so what we really have here is religious persecution of the minority by the majority.

You may counter that there are plenty of abuses in poly marriages. Yeah? And there arent any in the other kind? Should we outlaw politics because we routinely get Nixons and Bushes?

An unrelated thought spawned by the ads for the show and Tierneys comment: How did we ever get this crazy reversal of real-life sexual roles we see in the media these days? Invariably it is the women who are the aggressors. Women routinely tear the clothes of the men and force them into bed. Then they make all the noise, too. The males have become passive participants. Is this a fantasy wish fulfillment on the part of male script writers? A conspiracy to make women believe they have to be sexual aggressors to be cool? Man, we are one screwed up society!

Posted by: James of DC on March 12, 2006 at 2:40 AM | PERMALINK

How did we ever get this crazy reversal of real-life sexual roles we see in the media these days?

What kind of ice cube are you sleeping with and what sort of noises do you make?

Posted by: tbrosz on March 12, 2006 at 3:14 AM | PERMALINK

Data mining (privacy) and Matrix

The MATRIX data-mining Aka Multi-State Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange
CRS Report for Congress
Received through the CRS Web
Order Code RL31798
Data Mining and Homeland Security:
An Overview
Updated January 27, 2006
Jeffrey W. Seifert
Specialist in Information Science and Technology Policy
Resources, Science, and Industry Division
Data Mining and Homeland Security: An Overview
Summary
Data mining has become one of the key features of many homeland security
initiatives. Often used as a means for detecting fraud, assessing risk, and product
retailing, data mining involves the use of data analysis tools to discover previously
unknown, valid patterns and relationships in large data sets. In the context of
homeland security, data mining can be a potential means to identify terrorist
activities, such as money transfers and communications, and to identify and track
individual terrorists themselves, such as through travel and immigration records.
While data mining represents a significant advance in the type of analytical tools
currently available, there are limitations to its capability. One limitation is that
although data mining can help reveal patterns and relationships, it does not tell the
user the value or significance of these patterns. These types of determinations must
be made by the user. A second limitation is that while data mining can identify
connections between behaviors and/or variables, it does not necessarily identify a
causal relationship. Successful data mining still requires skilled technical and
analytical specialists who can structure the analysis and interpret the output.
Data mining is becoming increasingly common in both the private and public
sectors. Industries such as banking, insurance, medicine, and retailing commonly use
data mining to reduce costs, enhance research, and increase sales. In the public
sector, data mining applications initially were used as a means to detect fraud and
waste, but have grown to also be used for purposes such as measuring and improving
program performance. However, some of the homeland security data mining
applications represent a significant expansion in the quantity and scope of data to be
analyzed. Some efforts that have attracted a higher level of congressional interest
include the Terrorism Information Awareness (TIA) project (now-discontinued) and
the Computer-Assisted Passenger Prescreening System II (CAPPS II) project (nowcanceled and replaced by Secure Flight). Other initiatives that have been the subject of recent congressional interest include the Multi-State Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange (MATRIX),
the Able Danger program and data collection and analysis
projects being conducted by the National Security Agency (NSA).
As with other aspects of data mining, while technological capabilities are
important, there are other implementation and oversight issues that can influence the
success of a projects outcome. One issue is data quality, which refers to the
accuracy and completeness of the data being analyzed. A second issue is the
interoperability of the data mining software and databases being used by different
agencies. A third issue is mission creep, or the use of data for purposes other than
for which the data were originally collected. A fourth issue is privacy. Questions
that may be considered include the degree to which government agencies should use
and mix commercial data with government data, whether data sources are being used
for purposes other than those for which they were originally designed, and possible
application of the Privacy Act to these initiatives. It is anticipated that congressional
oversight of data mining projects will grow as data mining efforts continue to evolve.
This report will be updated as events warrant.Aint that just great? Multi-State Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange (MATRIX)

Posted by: one eye buck tooth [X^B on March 12, 2006 at 3:18 AM | PERMALINK

Well Hello. The Devil in the Details

A third issue is mission creep, or the use of data for purposes other than
for which the data were originally collected. A fourth issue is privacy.
Questions
that may be considered include the degree to which government agencies should use
and mix commercial data with government data, whether data sources are being used
for purposes other than those for which they were originally designed,

Posted by: one eye buck tooth [X^B on March 12, 2006 at 3:20 AM | PERMALINK

As far as I'm concerned, they can live in a menage-a-many, even if they aren't married (in a state sense). Just as long as they don't ask me to pay for their offspring. Apparently, more than a few of them do--ask me to pay for their offspring, that is.

Women in those areas are often considered chattel, and, despicable as it may be, it isn't going to change any time soon.

Posted by: raj on March 12, 2006 at 7:28 AM | PERMALINK

your only any good to us to launch missiles from.
Posted by: professor rat

Not one would think, on the basis of this post a 'professor' of English or logic.

Just to choose one from a host:

'Your' is the possessive. 'You're' is the contraction for 'you are' and is clearly called for this context. I suppose we should be relieved it wasn't 'UR'.

Posted by: CFShep on March 12, 2006 at 8:23 AM | PERMALINK

So, just how many husbands does Mrs. Tierney have?
Posted by: josef

That would be polyandry.

Posted by: CFShep on March 12, 2006 at 8:30 AM | PERMALINK

I could foresee two real world impacts of this show/issue/idea. First is if Mitt Romney starts to get some traction, as the last straw poll is being played, this issue will be the talking point to demagogue his religion. Second, this brings up the whole gay marriage/judicial usurping of traditional values issue. There are some polygamists that are trying to piggyback their "rights" to redefine marriage on the success of the gay rights movement.

Posted by: minion of rove on March 12, 2006 at 8:51 AM | PERMALINK

What's so wrong with polygamy that someone who asks "what's so wrong with polygamy" is treated as a pariah?

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on March 12, 2006 at 9:50 AM | PERMALINK

What's so wrong with polygamy that someone who asks "what's so wrong with polygamy" is treated as a pariah?

I have to say, on reflection, and having read Tierney's column, I have moderated my views. I think it's kind of complex. Short version: Utah polygamy bad. African polygamy...not by any means the worst thing going on in Africa. Freakazoid improvisational American polygamy, if someone wants to try it, and it were non-exploitative...maybe no worse than a lot of the other crap that goes down in our society.

Posted by: brooksfoe on March 12, 2006 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

> If today's rightwingers lived in Victorian
> Britain, they would be viewed as revolting
> moral nihilists.

Do you mean the upper-class Victorian men who were married with children, maintained a mistress, had serial affairs with young domestic servants, and where each spouse attended weeklong "shooting parties" seperately? Those Victorians?

Cranky

Posted by: Cranky Observer on March 12, 2006 at 10:51 AM | PERMALINK

In reference to "paying for their offspring" up thread a bit...

Among the fundamentalist Mormons, welfare fraud is considered righteous. They call it "bleeding the beast."

And I do have a problem with "plural marriage" as it is currently being practiced between Baja and Bountiful, because the women are given to the men at ages as young as 14. That isn't marriage, it is pedophilia.

Posted by: Global Citizen on March 12, 2006 at 11:53 PM | PERMALINK

women are given to the men at ages as young as 14. That isn't marriage, it is pedophilia.

Posted by: Global Citizen on March 12, 2006 at 11:53 PM | PERMALINK

Which is something gay marriage wants to expand to same-sex marriages.

Gay marriage must have everything normal marriage has. If not you are a bigot.

Posted by: McA on March 13, 2006 at 2:09 AM | PERMALINK

From the buzz about this show, it seems evident that the right wing is going to equate gay marriage with polygamy and then argue that if one is legalized then the other must be too. The goal is to defeat gay marriage initiatives, not to legalize polygamy. That seems to be why people on the right are talking up this show.

I found the show itself pretty dreary. There was no reflection of Mormon values or practices in the featured "family." Even the prayers were wrong in form. The focus on sex and viagra was ludicrous in the context of church practice and attitudes. So was the behavior of the children and the conversation of the wives. Whoever wrote this knows very little about being Mormon.

The "compound" was just a stereotype of every frightening image of Deliverance-style backwoods ignorance. Where was anything about the beliefs and practices of fundamentalist Mormons? It was all horror movie scare images and no substance.

This is an ugly show, not a serious commentary on polygamy, or anything else that I can see. I am not planning to watch again.

Posted by: Nancy on March 13, 2006 at 10:21 AM | PERMALINK

> married with children, maintained a mistress,
> had serial affairs with young domestic servants,
> and where each spouse attended weeklong "shooting
> parties" seperately? Those Victorians?

So what's your point? At least they didn't shoot each other at those parties. Things are better now?

Posted by: me on March 13, 2006 at 11:03 AM | PERMALINK

Probably the family wasn't depticted as Mormons abecause they aren't Mormons. HBO has been very particular with this show about not depicting the family's religion as Mormonism. They left a cult, led by Roman -- not Mormonsim at all.

I'm glad you gave it a chance.

Posted by: Rob Staeger on March 13, 2006 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

. . . interesting commentary from John Tierney, . . .

Oxymoron alert!

Posted by: Jeff II on March 13, 2006 at 11:44 AM | PERMALINK

Nancy is absolutely correct that the right-wing will use the fear of a "slippery slope" to polygamy to fuel opposition to the right of gay people to legally marry. Why more people don't confront them with the complete illogic of the argument is beyond me. To say that every American is permitted to have one legal spouse be they gay or straight in no way requires that any American be allowed to have two legal spouses.

Posted by: David Goroff on March 13, 2006 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

I'll give any HBO series a try. They put on the best series on TV by far.

But even they miss occasionally.

I, too, found the first episode a little dreary. But I'll watch again, and I did see some interesting seeds of conflict between the women. And I did like the totally different take on "family life" the series promises.

As to these folks not being "Mormon" I suppose that's why they had the Tabernacle in the background so much. Of course we're supposed to think they're Mormons. Breakaway Mormons, like those in the towns in Utah which still are polygamist, but Mormon none the less. I think its even more interesting as the family in the show is presented as non-practicing. The polygamy is more cultural than religious. Very interesting.

Posted by: Cal Gal on March 13, 2006 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

Just as long as everyone understands; there is no slippery slope from gay marriage to polygamy/polyandry/polyamory.

This is an obvious canard by the religious right. Clearly the rational for SSM bears no relationship to the rational for various multiple partner arrangements.

I hope thats clear.

Posted by: Fitz on March 13, 2006 at 8:29 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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