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March 13, 2006
By: Amy Sullivan

HUCKAWHO?....If you're still wondering who Mike Huckabee is and whether he really could be the Republican dark horse candidate for 2008, you'll want to read this profile by the Arkansas Times' Warwick Sabin. My favorite quote:

Huckabees most notable disadvantage is that he is relatively unknown outside of Arkansas, unlike some of the other possible Republican candidates, like U.S. Sen. John McCain and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist. The biggest newspaper in New Hampshire, the Union Leader, recently included Huckabee in a poll gauging presidential primary support but got his first name wrong, calling him Mark.
Sounds like he's still got a ways to go...

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Two years before the Dem primary season, I had no idea who Howard Dean was.

Posted by: Roxanne on March 13, 2006 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

Keep at it, Roxanne. Why not just admit that you have little to no understanding of politics, particularly GOP politics?

Posted by: dennis on March 13, 2006 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

People who lose massive amounts of weight face a neverending struggle to keep it off. Some end up regaining what they lost, and then some. Huckabee may well prove to be lucky. If not, would the voters accept the idea of a morbidly obese man as President?

Posted by: Peter on March 13, 2006 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

Anybody who loses an election to Bush is a loser and so bad they can't possibly win a presidential election.

McCain lost an election to Bush.

McCain will win the presidency.

Black is white.

Up is down.

Iraq is a democracy.

Winnebagos are WMDs.

Just a few of the many contradictions of conservatism.

Posted by: Conservative Troll on March 13, 2006 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

Clinton who? Former Governor of Arkansas? Give me a break. He'll never win.

Posted by: NAR on March 13, 2006 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

There's just no way an obscure Arkansas governor can ever be elected president....

Posted by: Stefan on March 13, 2006 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK

I Heart Huckabees.

Posted by: Karl Rove on March 13, 2006 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

I always figured that one of the things that unhinged Zell Miller was being identified as "Unknown Man" in a NYTimes photo with Bill Clinton...
This is during his second term as Georgia Govenor, and after introducing Clinton at the '92 Democratic Convention.

Posted by: Mr. Bill on March 13, 2006 at 1:20 PM | PERMALINK

I am sorry to be so harsh on Amy and the other subs, but I think that Kevin left on vacation just to illustrate to us the magnitude of his analytical and intellectual prowess by means of counter-examples.

Posted by: nut on March 13, 2006 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

Two years before the Dem primary season, I had no idea who Howard Dean was.

Yeah, and Howard Dean came in third in Iowa with 18% of the vote, second in NH with 26%, fifth in So. Carolina with 5%, fourth in Virginia with 4% and so on. But, he did win the all-important Vermont primary with 58% of the vote.

Posted by: fembot on March 13, 2006 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

People who lose massive amounts of weight face a neverending struggle to keep it off. Some end up regaining what they lost, and then some. Huckabee may well prove to be lucky. If not, would the voters accept the idea of a morbidly obese man as President?

that's pretty much the only thing i know about Huckabee, that he lost alot of weight (and a funny name someone stole for a movie). as to accepting a morbidly obese person as prez, wasn't Taft, like 300+ lbs?

Posted by: e1 on March 13, 2006 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

The reason we are all talking about Huckabee is the lesson in nobody-power we learned from Bill Clinton's lightening rise to frontrunner.

Posted by: MTM on March 13, 2006 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK

Not sure if this has been pointed out, but Huckabee, like Romney, is leaving his state party at a disadvantage to hold the governor's office. AR's Democratic Atty Gen Mike Beebe is the narrow favorite to beat Asa Hutchinson in November. If Hutchinson loses, Republican activists will have some tough questions for Huckabee right as he'd need to think about forming an exploratory committee.

Same goes for Romney is Kerry Healey loses the governor's office. Actually, an Arkansas loss would hurt Romney, too, since he's the head of the GOP governors' campaign committee.

Posted by: DaveW on March 13, 2006 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

huckabee is also an ordained baptist preacher

Posted by: tal on March 13, 2006 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK

I'm going to repurpose a comment I left earlier:

Here's more on Mike Huckabee. Note that Huckabee, Tyson Foods, and LULAC are chummy. Huck would be a fine choice. For those Dems who support lowering American wages and have no concept of U.S. sovereignty, that is.

Posted by: TLB on March 13, 2006 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

1976: Gov. Jimmy Carter (D-GA) didn't have a lot of name recognition outside Georgia at the start of his presidential campaign. Sen. Scoop Jackson (D-WA) was far better known at the time.

1988: Gov. Michael Dukakis (D-MA) didn't have a lot of name recognition outside Massachusetts at the start of his presidential campaign.

1992: Gov. Bill Clinton (D-AR) didn't have a lot of name recognition outside Arkansas at the start of his presidential campaign.

I am sick and tired of election coverage focusing on who is winning rather than what the candidates stand for.

One hopes that, when the time comes, if he chooses to run, voters will evaluate Mr. Huckabee and every other candidates on the basis of their policies, leadership skills, integrity, and character, rather than their name recognition. One hopes that, if the traditional media fail to shed light on these points, Mr. Drum and other intelligent bloggers will do so.

Posted by: Joel Rubinstein on March 13, 2006 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

I am sorry to be so harsh on Amy and the other subs, but I think that Kevin left on vacation just to illustrate to us the magnitude of his analytical and intellectual prowess by means of counter-examples.

that's the only possible explanation for this shit.

I say Huckabee is doomed based on his cornball name alone. Secretary of Agriculture maybe, but president? Let's get serious here. Also maybe HHS Secretary, maybe his dieting experience would be useful at creating a decent new food pyramid.

Posted by: haha on March 13, 2006 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

You know, for a bunch of states that lost the goddamn civil war, you'd think they'd let some people from someplace else run the country once in a while.

Posted by: craigie on March 13, 2006 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) on young GOP activists: "They look like young Hitlers to me. Theyre so grim and deadly serious about the cause.

So, it's not just liberals that see the connection between Bush lemmings and the Nazis.

tal: huckabee is also an ordained baptist preacher

Does he partake of the five-fingered discount (via the refund con) like Buah's former Fourth Circuit nominee, Claude Allen, a religious right zealot?

What a tragic mistake the Dems made by refusing an up or down vote on this indicted former nominee.

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 13, 2006 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

I'm actually routing for Huckabee (or Hagel) in the GOP primary. I can't really think of anyone in the party who scares me less.

Posted by: gq on March 13, 2006 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

Warwick Sabin's profile of Mike Huckabee is a pretty good place to start in getting a handle on his political style. Davew, above, notes that Huckabee is leaving his party at a slight disadvantage in the upcoming gubernatorial elections but he would be in any event: he's term-limited out and has no clear political heir. This last is due in part to his being in some respects more progressive than the Arkansas GOP base. Mind you, I say progressive, not "liberal."

Posted by: david ware on March 13, 2006 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

Hillary beats Huck in AR.

The moneymen and the media want McCain. And so does Diebold. So give it up, Dems -- especially you freethinkers!

Posted by: Freedom Phukher on March 13, 2006 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

McCain lost to Bush.

How sad does that make him look?

Posted by: 'rdw' on March 13, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

I'm surprised that so few in Arkansas seem to like him, I got the impression that he was widely popular and that the Dems considered him near unimpeachable.

Arkansas, which will soon have a moderate Democratic Governor in addition to two moderate Democratic Senators and a 75% Democratic house delegation, is a model for how Democrats can achieve success in the conservative south.

Posted by: Dustin Ridgeway on March 13, 2006 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

According to the Arkansas Times, Huckabee regularly uses the Arkabnsas State Police airplane for personal travel and has refused to justify it, attacking the Ark Times instead.

In other words, the guy is a typical Republican.

Posted by: Brenda Helverson on March 13, 2006 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

I say Huckabee is doomed based on his cornball name alone

I have to admit, that thought crossed my mind.

Creates a problem with branding. "Huckabee" sounds like an authentic brand of chitlins, not the leader of the free world.

But after the Bush presidency I'd seriously consider voting for a chitlin. What's there to lose?

Posted by: trex on March 13, 2006 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

If historical comparison (Clinton etc) is of merit
then one Wayne DuMond might just Willie up the joint..dont cha think?

And I know that all you good moral and fair GOP'ers will certainly demand an investigation of the Character behind Tripple-Wides decision making....right?

Posted by: Richard on March 13, 2006 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

Back in the days of Taft's presidency a fat man was seen as a distinguished man. Today, morbid obesity (can't use the f-word anymore) is seen much in the same way as smoking - a form of moral weakness, self-destructive to boot. Any presidential candidate who went around smoking cigarettes in public would probably doom his or her chances. The same probably would be true for an extremely heavy candidate.
The fact that tens of millions of voters struggle themselves with smoking or weight doesn't prevent them from being judgmental about others, needless to say.

Posted by: Peter on March 13, 2006 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

craigie >"You know, for a bunch of states that lost the goddamn civil war..."

That was only one battle in an ongoing war

"...For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world..." - Frankllin D. Roosevelt

Posted by: daCascadian on March 13, 2006 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

When is Kevin coming back?

Posted by: marky on March 13, 2006 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

An angry federal judge abruptly adjourned the sentencing trial of al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui today and is considering whether to declare a mistrial or drop the death penalty as an option. U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema will hear testimony Tuesday from witnesses whose testimony was coached in violation of court rules.

The Bush administration once again shows how much it is like Saddam's Baathist regime, Hitler's Germany, and Stalin's Russia, disregarding the law whenever it becomes inconvenient to its political agenda.

What Bush teaches the world: conservatives are above the law - violating the law in the interests of one's own political agenda is justified, no matter how egregious or obvious that violation.

What Bush teaches the terrorists: any end that is in service of self-interest justifies any means.

Bush validates terrorists.

Heil Bushitler!

Posted by: Bush is Hitler on March 13, 2006 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

Ken Mehlman, chairman of the GOP lied.

Bush, titular head of the GOP lied.

Dickless Cheney, second in command of the GOP lied.

Rumsfeld, Bush's own Werner von Blomberg, lied.

Powell, Bush's Sec State, lied.

Condi, Bush's other Sec State, lied.

Frist, Bush's senatorial lieutenant, lied.

DeLay, Bush's House hammer (subsequently de-hammerized), lied.

A pattern emerges . . . and soldiers died.

Posted by: Bush_Lied on March 13, 2006 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

This clown was telling jokes about brain dead to a group in NH

he gives new meaning to the term lightweight

Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker on March 13, 2006 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

< whine> When is Kevin coming back?</whine>

Oh shush. Don't make me pull this blog over.

Posted by: Daddy will be home soon on March 13, 2006 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK

What were the "jokes"?

Posted by: Don P. on March 13, 2006 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

craigie writes: You know, for a bunch of states that lost the goddamn civil war, you'd think they'd let some people from someplace else run the country once in a while.

It is the South's ultimate revenge: take over the Party who defeated them, and through them control the entire US government without firing a shot.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on March 13, 2006 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

Well, huckabee is hardly a shoo in for nomination or for presidency, but sneering at his prospects like this is a foolish and shortsighted way to evaluate the opposition. He's a baptist preacher that is, as noted, just barely slightly more progressive than his base, but not enough to cause them any real problems. he ahs a pretty straightforward, folksy manner that seems quite sincere, and he's got a personal-triumph story (the wieght loss) that could be construed to show (and may actually show) a real strength of character.

There are of course downsides, including the name recognition which Roxanne seems to overvalue this far out form the campaign, and a local rep for petulence (tho not as much as Clinton did) but considering the historical strengths of former-governor candidates VS former-senator candidates, and the possibility that the Press's love affair with Mcain could sour from over familiarity, we should keep our eyes on Huckabee and guys like him.

Posted by: URK on March 13, 2006 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK

The Iraqi response to sectarian tensions created after the bombing of a Samarra mosque in February gave hope to the dream of a free, democratic Iraq, President Bush argued Monday.

Instead of spending time trying to fix the problems, Bush spends his time trying to fix his poll numbers.

Worst president ever.

At least when Carter experienced a fubar, he tried to fix it rather than his poll numbers.

Bush has no compassion, no sense of morality, and no desire to lead for the common good; he has nothing but self love, exhibits no trait more than self aggrandizement, and accomplishes nothing but destruction and chaos and ruin with every decision.

Posted by: Advocate for God on March 13, 2006 at 4:36 PM | PERMALINK

Mr. 'Bush is Hitler'--- Bush is a Republican, not a conservative.

A number of Bush-backing GOP straw-pollers interviewed last week said that Huckabee was their choice over McCain because McCain "wasn't really a strong conservative". Again, these were Bush-supporters.

Consistency will not be necessary this election.

Posted by: wishIwuz2 on March 13, 2006 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

Bush_Lied writes: Ken Mehlman, chairman of the GOP lied [blah, blah, blah]

Look, the fact that Republicans control the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives, most governorships, and much of the judiciary shows one thing: The American people don't give a damn about honesty. Lying is a non-issue. The only people who care whether politicians lie are those effete, out-of-touch liberals who think that torture is bad and that we need "civil rights" for those accused of crimes. How pre-9/11.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on March 13, 2006 at 4:44 PM | PERMALINK

I think that Huckabee is a very attractive candidate and may very well be the dark horse.. He is exactly the kind of candidate that Americans tend to choose for a president: a likable, churchgoing southeasterner who can run against Waqshington but isn't really qualified to be President.

Posted by: badger on March 13, 2006 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK

Daryl: Lying is a non-issue.

Yeah, sure.

Bush's and the GOP's dramatic drop in opinion polls has nothing to do with the constant revelations about lying and corruption and the liberal drumbeat about the same.

Bush lied.

Soldiers died.

Widows cried.

Bush lied.

WMDs never descried.

Terrorists never tried.

Bush lied.

Rummie lied.

Condi lied.

Powell lied.

Dickless lied, and lied, and lied.

Bush lied.

Soldier died.

Widows cried.

Democracy fried.

Iraq denied.

Bush lied.

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Clinton second term low: 53%

Bush?

Can't even get a whiff of Clinton's ass its so far ahead of him.

---------------

Bush lied.

GOP died.

Posted by: Yeah_Sure on March 13, 2006 at 5:05 PM | PERMALINK

Now Bush would never lie and Bush says Mcain may be a little crazy from his time as a prisonerin Nam.And we know Bush would never lie.

Posted by: Right minded on March 13, 2006 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINK

I've given it a good deal of thought. I don't believe Mark has what it takes.

Posted by: kaptain kapital on March 13, 2006 at 5:18 PM | PERMALINK


How come no one is blogging about Feingold's censure? Where is Hillary? Where are the Dems with any backbone?

Posted by: Andy on March 13, 2006 at 5:40 PM | PERMALINK

Perhaps, Andy, because "Feingold Draws Little Support for Censure"?

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer

Democrats distanced themselves Monday from Wisconsin Sen. Russell Feingold's effort to censure President Bush over domestic spying.

The White House hit back at the same time, Vice President Dick Cheney telling a fundraiser in Feingold's home state that the resolution was an "outrageous proposition."

As the crowd in De Pere, Wis., booed Feingold's effort, Cheney said, "Don't hold back."

Feingold's fellow Democrats did just that Monday, with several saying they wanted first to see the Senate Intelligence Committee finish an investigation of the warrantless wiretapping program that Bush authorized as part of his war on terrorism.

Asked at a news conference whether he would vote for the censure resolution, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada declined to endorse it and said he hadn't read it.

Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., said he had not read it either and wasn't inclined simply to scold the president.

"I'd prefer to see us solve the problem," Lieberman told reporters.

Across the Capitol, reaction was similar. Feingold's resolution drew empathy but no outright support from Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: Don P. on March 13, 2006 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK

Has there ever been a censure by the Congress of a sitting U.S. President - maybe of Andy Jackson?

Posted by: Don P. on March 13, 2006 at 5:47 PM | PERMALINK

Where are the Dems with any backbone?

He made funny.

Posted by: lib on March 13, 2006 at 5:47 PM | PERMALINK

". . . The one and only time a President has ever been censured was in 1834 when, under Whig control, the Senate censured Democratic President Andrew Jackson for withholding documents. The censure was expunged in 1837 when the Senate came under the control of the Democrats.

Though no framework for the process of censuring a President exists, it would likely come in the form of a concurrent resolution between both chambers, and then a public announcement. It would carry no legal effect but would probably be damaging to the president's image. There was talk of censuring President Bill Clinton in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, but ultimately full impeachment was pursued instead. Many constitutional experts hold that motions to censure the President violate the Consitutions prohibition on bills of attainder."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censure_in_the_United_States

Posted by: Don P. on March 13, 2006 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

"I'd prefer to see us solve the problem," Lieberman told reporters.

The problem, of course, is an incompetent, inept, and mendacious president who is out of control and senators like Lieberman who have no spine and who sold out America in favor of Israel long ago.

Posted by: Lieberman's a wuss on March 13, 2006 at 5:50 PM | PERMALINK
How come no one is blogging about Feingold's censure? Where is Hillary? Where are the Dems with any backbone?

Dems with backbone would not support censure, which would, in effect, amount to a decision to forego any remedy and instead just issue a collective "boo!", until there has been a thorough investigation and an evaluation of whether such a toothless condemnation was all that was warranted.

Posted by: cmdicely on March 13, 2006 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINK

The great wisdom of cmdicely - do nothing Reid and/or the Pope fail to bless.

Posted by: Don P. on March 13, 2006 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

. . . motions to censure the President violate the Consitutions prohibition on bills of attainder.

A dubious proposition.

. . . the Senate censured Democratic President Andrew Jackson for withholding documents.

So, there is a precedent and a current act that would form the basis for exercising the precedent.

It would carry no legal effect but would probably be damaging to the president's image.

Not as damaging as the constant parade of exposed lies and corruption that will likely continue through the spring, summer, fall, winter, spring, summer . . .

The censure was expunged in 1837 when the Senate came under the control of the Democrats.

If the censure was unconstitutional, then was the expungement not also unconstitutional?

If the censure had no legal effect, then what effect had the expungement?

Posted by: YakYak on March 13, 2006 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK

I can see not much has changed here at Kevin Drum's place.

Posted by: Don P. on March 13, 2006 at 6:02 PM | PERMALINK

Don P: I can see not much has changed here at Kevin Drum's place.

To which you contribute mightily.

Posted by: YukYuk on March 13, 2006 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

I just returned after a self-imposed hiatus - my observation about wishy-washy liberals stands.

Posted by: Don P. on March 13, 2006 at 6:19 PM | PERMALINK

Huckabee fails the most primitive of litmus tests: there can be no "President Huckabee." It sounds ridiculous. Same thing with Feingold. Warner(s), Clark, Clinton, McCain, Frist, et al. at least pass this test.

Posted by: J.E. Storm on March 13, 2006 at 6:22 PM | PERMALINK
. . . motions to censure the President violate the Consitutions prohibition on bills of attainder.

A dubious proposition.

Quite, especially given that a censure has no legal effect, and a bill of attainder is defined by legal effect.


Posted by: cmdicely on March 13, 2006 at 6:30 PM | PERMALINK
The great wisdom of cmdicely - do nothing Reid and/or the Pope fail to bless.

I'm sure you've got copies of the letters from the Senate Minority Leader and the Pope endorsing, e.g., the immigration proposal I periodically flog here, right? No, you don't? That attack was just something you made up based on no evidence whatsoever because you have no substantive response but feel the need to casual toss attacks? Big surprise.

Not -- I should hasten to add -- that I'd mind if Reid or Benedict gave their blessing to my proposals, but certainly I've never argued that a proposal should be rejected simply because neither of that pair endorsed it.

Posted by: cmdicely on March 13, 2006 at 6:36 PM | PERMALINK

Hospitality was the order of the day when one southern governor interrupted his busy schedule to offer moral support for Canada's scheme to encase Parliament in a refrigerated dome as a precaution against global warming: ''Hi, I'm Mike Huckabee of Arkansas wanting to say congratulations, Canada, on preserving your national igloo!''

Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on March 13, 2006 at 6:51 PM | PERMALINK

the huckster isnt sinister or a convservative zealot. he is incompetent. the worst governer arkansas has had in 50 years including orval faubus. pray he wins the republican nomination.

Posted by: chuck on March 13, 2006 at 7:17 PM | PERMALINK

I met Mike Huckabee a few years ago when he was still fat. There is a major difference between Mike and that other wannabe musician from Arkansas, the saxophonist. Old Huck can make serious music. . .

Posted by: Michael L. Cook on March 13, 2006 at 9:54 PM | PERMALINK

J.E. Storm thinks "President Huckabee" sounds too cornball to become reality. How does President Schwarzenneger grab you, Storm?

Posted by: Michael L. Cook on March 14, 2006 at 8:52 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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