He won't run for President. So you'll get Hillary as the nominee, and McCain will crush her.
Four More Wars!

Hey, that's rdw's line, Freedom Phukher!

I smell the foul odor of plagarism.

Please, please, please, please, pleeeeeeeeeease...
--
HRlaughed

I have seen Al Gore's global warming lecture. If Gore had been that loose and funny in 2000, he would be president now. I think he should run in 2008, even if it is just as the Democratic equivalent of Alan Keyes.

And Kevin, you are so right in the previous note -- Republican led "hearings" are definitely the answer to the NSA hoo-ha!

Celebrity deathmatch: Gore versus Hillary
Watch them battle over the new the Clinton Dynasty

Cindy Sheehan/Al Gore 08

If he can shed the stiff image, what's not to like about Al Gore? He's smart, hard working, knowledgeable about all the things he should be, reasoned, moderate. Hey, unlike the Current Occupant, he can read too.

I put a "Re-Elect Gore 2008" bumper sticker on my car a couple of weeks ago. My fantasy ticket is Gore and a different Jewish guy (i.e. the one from Wisconsin).

Hey, if John Kerry rediscovers his sense of humor like Gore has, he should go shake hands in Iowa and New Hampshire, too. Neither Gore nor Kerry would win, but voters would be reminded of the contrast they make with the doofus that got elected.

I always liked the old Al Gore
I always liked the old Al Gore, too. But the new one promises to be just as much fun.

Do you think he'll be able to carry his home state this time?

And the media will *love* the Nixon 1960->1968 angle....

Well, lookie here:

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

Me too, CN. Think how much better off we'd be today if folks like you had done the smart thing and voted for Gore.

I wonder if Feingold would pull a Eugene McCarthy, if he doesn't get the nomination he already considers his due?

I attended Gore's speech on wiretapping in DAR Constitution Hall and he was very effective. I came away impressed. Then again, I always liked him, too.

Gore would be President today if he had not picked Lieberman.

J Bean: My fantasy ticket is Gore and a different Jewish guy (i.e. the one from Wisconsin).

Not to over generalize, but I have a high opinion of Jewish Senators from Wisconsin. Put his name first.

zmulls: But does Gore have a secret plan to get us out of Iraq?

No kidding, Mimir. I wonder if there's a good history about how that choice happened.

I read his book and then voted for him. I was tired of seeing guys dumber than me in the White House. Besides, he's got a great motto: I Beat Them Before, I Can Beat Them Again.

Mr. Gore is a hero of mine. That's something I get to say about very, very few politicians.

Hey lookie CN is comming around,Welcome to the Majority!!

S Ra: But does Gore have a secret plan to get us out of Iraq?

The same way we got out of Vietnam - on planes.

Hey lookie CN is comming around
I don't think so, as the man of the hour said

"A zebra does not change its spots." - Al Gore 1992.

Sorry, but the same "disintermediated" communication system he hopes to use has been watching him for five years now, and I'm afraid it isn't going to be as simple as "remember him in 2000? Well, look at him now!"

Gore has a lot to live down, and a lot of recent baggage that will not appeal to moderates as much as it might appeal to Moveon.org types. It's going to take more than a puff piece like this to clean him up for another run as a "New, New Democrat."

Kevin Drum likes Gore "more than any of the other obvious 2008 presidential candidates"? He can't possibly like him more than Republicans, who would love to see him run again in 2008. (As for "Gore would be president today if he had not picked Lieberman," Gore would be president today if it were not for 1) the U.S. Supreme Court, 2) Bill Clinton, for handing W the *only* issue he had in 2000: "restoring dignity to the White House". We all know what a great job he's done at that.)

tbrosz:

Go back to the Democratic Strategy thread, read my rebuttal to your Riverbend calumny and cry your eyes out :)

Bob

Gore has issued a Sherman-like statement regarding his presidential ambitions.

Gore better make his announcement early enough that the Buddhist nuns have time to fire up their donation pipeline from the Red Chinese.

MIRMIR: Gore would be President today if he had not picked Lieberman.

I wish everyone would read the recent FSU study on the election in Florida.

Kevin Drum likes Gore "more than any of the other obvious 2008 presidential candidates"? He can't possibly like him more than Republicans, who would love to see him run again in 2008. (As for "Gore would be president today if he had not picked Lieberman," Gore would be president today if it were not for 1) the U.S. Supreme Court, 2) Bill Clinton, for handing W the *only* issue he had in 2000: "restoring dignity to the White House". We all know what a great job he's done at that.)

If Gore wants another go-round, he's going to have to have had a transformation in the truest sense of the word. Everything from his speaking style to his strategy against attacks.

It's been heartening to hear him speak out against the war and global warming. But I'm wondering just how much the ol' leopard *can* truly change those spots ...

Although the thought of a Gore/Clinton ticket is kind of, ummm, delicious in its own perverse way :)

Bob

If I had a nickel for every time...

Dem blogger: Let's nominate X for president in 2008!

GOP troll, waking up from three-beer-lunch stupor: Go right ahead! That's a Republican wet dream!

I almost wish we'd nominate Jesus Christ, just to hear the trolletariat fall all over itself denouncing him as a vile loser. Extra points for implications about excessive love of neighbors.

conspiracy nut: Now there's an idea I can get behind!

Too bad that was before the UN inspections and further evidence procured by the Bush administration showing Saddam was toothless.

Nashvillian here who has always been a big Gore fan. He's very popular even among local Republicans, although it's hard for Nashville & Memphis alone to carry the rest of the state-- east TN is very right-wing, and the rural areas might as well be Mississippi.

Mimir, I completely agree with you.

Any reasonable candidate but Hillary. I think she is about the only Democrat sure to lose. Her negatives are just too high.

He's already got a great slogan:

Re-elect Gore in 2008!

Oh dear God.

Not the "Al Gore is reinventing himself...again" story again.

The next sound you hear will be Somerby's head bursting.

Ron Byers: Her negatives are just too high.

Yeah, they're about the same as Reagan's in 1980, aren't they?

High negatives aren't always a barrier to election, although they might well be in this case. I don't want her, either, but I'm more worried about her ability to govern than her ability to be elected.

Gerald,

Bill Clinton's "dignity" issue was the reason Gore picked Lieberman as his running mate. Remember, Holy Joe was called "the conscience of the Senate" for his self-righteousness during the impeachment.

BTW, conspiracy nut, you're lying again by pretending that the quote, taken out of context as is your usual modus operandi, Gore was supporting invasion of Iraq.

Far from it, he was critical of Bush's plans and policy.

Which of course is why you deliberately left out context such as this statement following the passage you quote:

"I believe, however, that such a choice [between law and survival] is not presented in the case of Iraq."

Damn, you've been caught lying again.

How . . . unrefreshing!

Shortstop, that was funny. And apt.

Jeffrey Davis, how about some links for your references?

conspiracy nut: Gore better make his announcement early enough that the Buddhist nuns have time to fire up their donation pipeline from the Red Chinese.

You're behind the times. The Red Chinese are already using all their money to fund Bush's deficits.

pickabone: Remember, Holy Joe was called "the conscience of the Senate" for his self-righteousness during the impeachment.

How well I remember it. And now he runs around trying to convince folks that we should make illegal acts legal if the president commits them. A fine vessel of ethics, isn't he?

"But he has a 75 rating from the ADA! We goppers wouldn't vote for him if hell froze over, but we like telling credulous Dems he's the kind of guy they should be putting up!"

Gore was railroaded out of his presidency. Take it back, I say. I'd love to see him make another run.

Gotta agree with comments re: holy Joe. I wasn't crazy about Lieberman either, but you have to remember the context in which he was picked. Clinton had been impeached for the Monica business, and Gore wanted someone squeaky clean, at least sexaully.

AFG: Damn, you've been caught lying again.

How . . . unrefreshing!

Hee!

But hey, I'm willing to give a guy like Wooden Al a shot; what a grasp of the world:

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe." - Al Gore

"Gore better make his announcement early enough that the Buddhist nuns have time to fire up their donation pipeline from the Red Chinese."

You are so fucking boring.

Remember that "Marketeer" guy? He was fun.

conspiracy nut: alex, your inability to understand US Treasury Bonds is not my problem

You mean they're free? Heck, I thought the Red Chinese had to pay for them. My bad.

perpeller head:

And we all know how hard it can be sometimes to put food on your family :)

Bob

tron: You are so fucking boring.

Remember that "Marketeer" guy? He was fun.

Marketeer was fun. Hubris was the greatest. PB Almeida is always interesting to read. Even Norman's over-the-topness was highly edifying. Guess it's not about loving our echo chamber. Guess it's about conspiracy nut's extreme personal limitations.

perpeller head:

And how important it is to have a world where the human being and the fish can coexist.

Are you misunderestimating me, c-nut?

Bob

Yep, I'm studying up on Al, and he's a man that knows where it's at:

"For NASA, space is still a high priority." - Al Gore

"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system." - Al Gore

"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century." - Al Gore

perpeller head:

You do realize, of course, that many of our imports still come from overseas.

Bob

perpeller head:

You lying sack o' shit -- the Holocaust quote's from Dan Quayle.

There's nothing subliminible about making the pie higher.

Bob

I almost wish we'd nominate Jesus Christ, just to hear the trolletariat fall all over itself denouncing him as a vile loser. Extra points for implications about excessive love of neighbors.

Cue sinister music:

Announcer's Voice: Jesus claims to be the Son of God. But what's Jesus really hiding?

The Apostle Fred: I was with Jesus at Lake Galilee, and I can tell you those loaves and fishes didn't feed a multitude. Twenty people, tops. The rest was all spin.

Announcer: Jesus claims to be the Prince of Peace. But what's Jesus really hiding?

The Apostle Herbert: One time, Jesus got like really mad at me, and punched me right in the face. And one other time I saw Him beat up these moneylenders, who were really just small-business entrepreneurs. It made me ask, is this guy I'm following really some kind of Communist?

Announcer: Jesus wants you to love your neighbor as yourself. But just how much does He want to love you?

The Apostle Barney: Jesus...did some things with me I'm not proud of. Things I haven't told anyone else about before. He told me that verily, he would come unto me and then he...then he...then he did! [breaks down weeping]

Announcer: Brought to you by Apostolic Veterans for Truth.

After I saw Gore's wonderful global warming speech, the "New Al Gore" was exactly the phrase that came to mind. It's amazing what 5 years away from Washington and outside the company of political consultants will do for you.

Looking ahead to '08, if the alternative is Hillary, isn't electability beside the point? Plus, having Katherine Harris back in the headlines can only help remind voters that Gore already has a track record of having won a presidential election.

The new Al Gore is insane.

It's hard to believe this nutjob used to be Vice President of the United States.

CONSPIRACY NUT: "The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century."

I love the new Al Gore. His MLK Day speech was absolutely electrifying. If he keeps that up and runs for Pres in 2008, I will be begging to volunteer for his campaign.

That lying sack of shit Otto, aka conspiracy nut, is trying to pass off Dan Quayle quote as Al Gore quotes. The "space is still a high priority" and "enter the solar system quotes" were said by Dan Quayle.

See http://www.snopes.com/quotes/candidate.asp

Are you misunderestimating me, c-nut?
Just keep in mind, Bob, when talking about fish:

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." - Al Gore

"Oh dear God.

Not the "Al Gore is reinventing himself...again" story again.

The next sound you hear will be Somerby's head bursting."

So funny. And you too shortstop.

Cnut. Considering the Nin. Com. Poop you fully support now soiling the White House, I think you're strategery of trying to pull up lame quotes supposedly attributed to Gore is a real loser.

Stefan:

Nice job! You win a set of Virgotron chastity belts with ultra-plush straps and Clitrilizer(TM) for the whole family!

Bob

I actually read "Earth in the Balance."

Page 325 is where Gore talks about abolishing the internal combustion engine.

RT, you beat me to it.

Hey, c nut, why would you paste a Dan Quayle quote here and attribute it to Al Gore?
That would be because the quote page I've been mining had it attributed to Wooden Al. On further research, however, I see that it was improperly attributed.

I sincerely apologize, it is not my intent to provide any stoopid quotes not actually from the man of the hour himself.

conspiracy nut, you're too dumb to be able to vote, even if it were legal for you to do so here. From Snopes:

Dan Quayle has certainly made more than his share of misstatements, and most of the ones on the following list are actual Quayle quotes (although versions of this list with all the quotes mischievously attributed to Vice-President Al Gore and Texas governor George W. Bush also circulate around the Internet). Nearly all of these quotes are reasonable statements that came out garbled when uttered by a poor public speaker, though — it's not hard to tell in most cases what Quayle really meant to say...

"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child."

"Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts."

"Mars is essentially in the same orbit . . . Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."

"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century."

"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change."

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared.'"
"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."

"The future will be better tomorrow."

"We're going to have the best-educated American people in the world."

"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history."

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."

"I am not part of the problem. I am a Republican."

"I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix."

"When I have been asked during these last weeks who caused the riots and the killing in L.A., my answer has been direct and simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame."

"Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it."

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."

"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." -

Another lie. Not a quote by Al Gore, but a quote from Mad Magazine in 1991: "comments now widely attributed to the former Vice-President that were actually coined by humor writers as examples of the sort of things he might say."

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/candidate.asp

perpeller head:

Once again, YOU ARE A LYING SACK OF SHIT.

That was either Reagan, Quayle or Bush. It certainly wasn't Gore.

Cite your sources or you'll cause me to become very cross.

Bob

Hey, did everybody know Al Gore took the initiative in creating the internet??

"Do you think he'll be able to carry his home state this time?"

Even Mondale carried his own state.

You gotta love Quayle.

Hell, reading that list, they attributed about half of those quotes to Gore. Despicable way to run a website.

Damn, I'm gonna have to go back to picking on Bore for the old, worn out stuff: inventing the internet, inspiring Love Story, and failing to carry his home state.

Ah, nice job, everyone, on simultaneously busting conspiracy nut.

So everyone else here, besides now possessing Virgotron chastity belts and Clitralizers (get that thing away from me!) is smart enough to vote. Here's five bucks, nut. Watch my car while I'm in the polling place.

Conspiracy Nut...Accurate As Always

Isn't the Clitrilizer(TM) a Halliburton product? I hear they sell tons in northern Nigeria and lower Mississippi.

I am hoping the Dems run Sheehan/Obama in '08!

Shows you the accuracy of Otto's "research" materials.

No worries Bob, I'll never trust another Gore quote again. Since you asked, however, here is the offending website. I will only remind you that denial-of-service attacks are not a legal response to this heinous outrage.

I cannot have fun with Wooden Al when I am provided falsified information like this.

Hell, reading that list, they attributed about half of those quotes to Gore. Despicable way to run a website.

Well, not surprising, though. They cater to people with undeveloped research and analysis skills. Know any of those?

I'm sure Algore 5.0 will be much more effective than Algore 4.0, Algore 3.0, and Algore 2.0.

The overthetop comments by the trolls have convinced me: they're excrementally scared Gore's going to run in 2008.

Damn, I'm gonna have to go back to picking on Bore for the old, worn out stuff: inventing the internet, inspiring Love Story, and failing to carry his home state.

And we'll continue picking on you, CNut, for your old, worn out talking points, inaccuracies, mendacity, dishonesty and outright lying.

I ready Earth in Balance when I was in High School. That was 26 years ago.

It's simply amazing me to me hideuous spew Republicans vomit out on cue when it comes to Al Gore. Liar, stiff, not funny.... Note how there's nothing there on any policy. Nothing--it's always about him.

Disgusting creeps--Al Gore never would have stuck us in Iraq or hocked us into incredible debt. 9/11 would likely have never happened, since he wouldn't have been drunk on a "ranch" in Texas getting briefed that Bin Laden was determined to attack in the US--and then drank some more.

This is why I will hate fucking Republicans forever--slimy disgusting turds. They endlessly smeared a good man as a liar while voting for the worst felon liar I have ever seen. They lost but had to steal it anyway, all for the felon idiot Bush.

They don't even care how wrong and stupid they are. Ha ha ha, Al Lost, it's perfectly okay to lose the country for it. Idiots, offensive stupid assholes.

How happy they must be. In debt for eternity, losing a war, spit upon by the entire world, the bill of right trashed, representatiuve, multi-branch government chucked, Bush is king now.

God--they just don't care. Terrible Americans, just terrible.

Al Gore and the Internet
By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf

"Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development."

"No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time."

"No one in public life has been more intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at large."

But then, the sort of stooges who titter at "I took the initiative in creating the Internet" have no idea who Vint Cerf or Robert Khan are.

Well look, the old Al Gore was the same as the new, he just dispensed with the filters.

If you mean the "Al Gore" that the media portrayed in the 2000 campaign, then that is one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen you write on this blog.

Just out of curiosity, does everyone realize that there is more than one Jewish Senator from Wisconsin? I know we all know who we're talking about, but we ought to make sure we don't give off a "Draft Kohl" vibe here.

And let me add my voice to the chorus who always liked Al Gore, even the 2000 rendition, but who likewise thought his campaign was dreadful. Go watch The War Room; the speech Gore gives in that is incredibly animated and funny. It should have been that guy on the head of the ticket in 2000, and it should have been ... oh, say, anyone but Lieberman, even politics aside, standing next to him. Talk about boring!

I am hoping the Dems run Sheehan/Obama in '08!

And we're hoping your run your pantyhose, like I saw you do last night on Ocean Drive.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, instead of further succumbing to cn's "Me, me, me!" tactics (that boy's mother clearly did not love him):

I love Al Gore as new attack dog of the left. Doesn't mean I think he should run for president. I don't understand this mentality that says there's no political job worth having other than the presidency. I know, I know, he earned it and he was robbed, and it's hard to go back to the second or third tier. But really, what's so dishonorable about being an elder statesman, particularly one who's finally figured out how to kick ass?

If Al Gore runs again in 2008, Rush Limbaugh will be the happiest man in the world.

If Al Gore runs again in 2008, Rush Limbaugh will be the happiest man in the world.

The nickels are piling up...

Big River. He did. Remember the right all goofy about the Information super highway,You all laughed so hard.Today we know it as the Internet.Thank you Al Gore.

S Ra
Thanks, I love people defending Gore for saying that. Just something for you to chew on, the internet was born in 1961, Gore was elected in 1976.

If Al Gore runs again in 2008, Rush Limbaugh will be the happiest man in the world.

High doses of Oxycontin have already made Rush Limbaugh the happiest man in the world.

The ACLU running to his defense and helping keep his fat ass out of jail isn't hurting either.

One day, when the police state is tight as a drum, when history and science are written only by christo-fascists, all of Bush's famously stupid utterances (fool me twice--can't get fooled again; food on their families; good docs practice their love), will be attributed to Bill Clinton.

We want to make the (Pie Higher) G.W.Bush.

In Arizona, we make IUD's out of scorpions.

I cannot have fun with Wooden Al when I am provided falsified information like this.

Why not, c.n.? You haven't shirked from dishonesty in the past. Indeed, dishonesty is all you've got ("inventing the internet").

Dishonesty and a riduiculous obsession with Communism.

Dishonesty, a ridiculous obsession with Communism, and a crackpot political philosophy.

Dishonesty, a ridiculous obsession with Communism, a crackpot political philosophy, and ... oh, never mind, you get the idea.

Just remember, c.n., as much as you gloat about the Democrats losing elections, no one even runs on your lnatic notions. You're batting zero, pal.

Now that's a good laugh CN you are a turd.

Just something for you to chew on, the internet was born in 1961, Gore was elected in 1976.

...and the Internet emerged as a nationwide phenomenon, not just an obscure realm of military sites and academia...why, yes! After Gore boosted it as a Senator.

Thank you, Senator Gore!

I wasn't crazy about Lieberman either, ... Gore wanted someone squeaky clean, at least sexaully.

Actually, Gore wanted some of that AIPAC money.

If the Right was in office in the 90's we would still have the internet CN is talking about. only computer programers where using it,And it was a long distance charge.Thankyou Al Gore!!!

I am still mad at Gore for not running in 2004. The country deserved a chance to right a great wrong.

I'm more worried about her ability to govern than her ability to be elected.
Posted by: shortstop on March 20, 2006 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

Word. If this consideration does not come first when considering one's vote, then it will always, always, remain a choice between the lesser of two evils. I am over it.

Thanks, I love people defending Gore for saying that. Just something for you to chew on, the internet was born in 1961, Gore was elected in 1976.

Where's Otto getting his "facts" from this time, the "Miy Ferst Webpage Big Liist of Al Gore Fackss end Fegures"? Perhaps from Free Republic's crack research team?

Frankly, using the right-wing Dan Rather standard that every time you've been shown to be wrong about something you can forever be smeared as a liar, we can now safely consign Otto to the role of lying crank.

CN,

Those quotes were debunked years ago.

However, the stupid Bush quotes just keep coming. Did you see his explanation of the new medicare fiasco? The man is an idiot.

Bob:

I did read your Riverbend post. Basically, you made my point for me.

I wish I had thought of the "Gone With The Wind" analogy. I would have used it myself.

You might learn a lot about hardship, and the costs of war, but if I wanted to find out if the war was fought for a good cause, if the country was better off, or what to think about a group living off the backs of an oppressed population, I don't think the opinion of Scarlett O'Hara would be the first one I'd seek out.

It isn't just a matter of "class," and it's kind of funny to watch a liberal try to twist that into an attack on me. Riverbend, by our standards, is lower middle class.

She stands as a repudiation of the prowar
propaganda about Saddam's tyrant state

Not sure how a liberal could type that without his brain exploding. "Hey, look, I found someone who didn't suffer under Saddam! All of what you heard about Saddam is bullshit!" Bet I could find a lot of people who didn't suffer under apartheid too. What race? Don't get technical.

Al Gore is the single individual most qualified to serve as President of the United States of America at this point in history. This was true in 2000, when a gang of career corporate criminals led by Dick Cheney sucessfully conspired with the Bush crime family to steal the presidential election, and it is true now.

And conspiracy nut is the stupidest, most ignorant, most dishonest Bush-bootlicking Rush-regurgitating dumbass to ever post a comment on this site.

Dishonesty and a riduiculous obsession with Communism.
Damn, Gregory, it sounds like the truth hurts, bud. Or did you plan on Dowdizing my statements again?

After Gore boosted it as a Senator.
Great. Give me a list of things Al did for the internet. I know he requested a report on it. What else did the great and noble Al do for the internet?

And I'm not asking you to do my research; I've looked, and outside of requesting a report, I've found nothing.

If Al Gore runs again in 2008, Rush Limbaugh will be the happiest man in the world.

Yeah, Rush will be high as a kite...oh, wait, he is already.

Windhorse: High doses of Oxycontin have already made Rush Limbaugh the happiest man in the world.

The ACLU running to his defense and helping keep his fat ass out of jail isn't hurting either.

Bwa!

conspiracy nut: the internet was born in 1961

You're making this too easy.

The Internet (which, suprise, suprise, uses the Internet Protocol) was developed around 1973. Even the ARPANET (pre-Internet Protocol) didn't run its first test until 1969.

I think you need a good research assistant. Perhaps Al Franken can recommend someone.

Or did you plan on Dowdizing my statements again?

Hey, c.n., the truth hurts. You're the one who called the Republican party too socialist for you, and who accused the G8 nations, to a one, of practicing Marxism.

Gore has his faults, but taunts about him from a deluded liar like you shame no one but yourself.

And I'm not asking you to do my research; I've looked, and outside of requesting a report, I've found nothing.

Yeah, we've seen what happens when Otto does his own "research"....

Hey, maybe that page with the fake Al Gore quotes is also where he found out that Ronald Reagan was a Marxist, that the Republican Party is part of the international socialist conpiracy, and that the US won the Vietnam War! It would explain so much....

You might learn a lot about hardship, and the costs of war,

What do you care about the costs of war, tbrosz? You support Bush, who insists on paying for his off-the-books running of the Iraq war with a tax cut.

"Those quotes were debunked years ago."

You mean they are fake but accurate?

Thanks, I love people defending Gore for saying that. Just something for you to chew on, the internet was born in 1961, Gore was elected in 1976.

Well, except that that's not true; the distant predecessor of the modern Internet, ARPAnet, went live in 1969. The immediate predecessor of the modern Internet -- the first TCP/IP WAN -- had its first node online in 1983.

Of course, the publicly-used internet that has had a tremendous effect on many areas of life, business, and the economy is a product of the advent of commercial use and the development and adoption of web browser, both in the early-mid 1990s.

the ARPANET (pre-Internet Protocol) didn't run its first test until 1969.
Linking started in 1965. But I'm still waiting for what Al did (besides the report he requested, in 1987).

"particularly one who's finally figured out how to kick ass?"

How can you say he kicks ass, when he can't even fight for the job that's rightfully his? Loser is the more appropriate term.

I'm still waiting for what Al did (besides the report he requested, in 1987)

Sure, c.n.'s dishonesty gets blown out of the water, so he tries to change the subject and make others do the research for him.

Nah, I think I'll just point to your own quickly-debunked dishonesties and laugh at you, c.n. You have nothing (except dishonesty, etc., but we knew that.)

What's that CN we can't get a good signal from you maybe you could switch over to Al Gores internet and drop your ARPANET or did you forget to pay your phone bill?

And you know, I'm thinking you boys are a little touchy about you Democrats going socialist. I think I'll just provide a little outline again, since you seem to enjoy it so much.

We'll start with The Democratic Socialists of America, what do they say for themselves

The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States, and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. DSA's members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly socialist presence in American communities and politics.

We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit

But, the social ownership characteristic of a socialist society will greatly limit inequality.

...setting the basic framework of economic policy--what social investment is needed, who should own or control basic industries, and how they might be governed.

Social redistribution--the shift of wealth and resources from the rich to the rest of society--will require...massive redistribution of income from corporations and the wealthy to wage earners and the poor and the public sector, in order to provide the main source of new funds for social programs,income maintenance and infrastructure rehabilitation

The struggle for mass democracy has always been led by the excluded -- workers, minorities, and women.

No doubt you're wondering what this has to do with Democrats. Let's find another quote:

Many socialists have seen the Democratic Party, since at least the New Deal, as the key political arena in which to consolidate this coalition, because the Democratic Party held the allegiance of our natural allies. Through control of the government by the Democratic Party coalition, led by anti-corporate forces, a progressive program regulating the corporations, redistributing income, fostering economic growth and expanding social programs could be realized.

But surely the Democrats wouldn't get on board with such a plan, would they? Heh, to the tune About 1/3 of House Democrats that joined, including the Minority Leader herself. That's a pretty good sized socialist presence in the Democratic Party, not what you'd call a fringe thing. Pretty mainstream.

You lefties are making a fine infiltration.

Gore's Internet exaggeration is the single most heinous action ever committed by an American politician.

I could have forgiven him if he'd started an unnecessary war that killed scores of thousands by flat-out lying to the world, ignored warnings about existing terrorist and then worked to create as many new ones as possible, failed to plan for or respond to a huge natural disaster, spied on American citizens and lied about it, sent the deficit through the stratosphere, waged continual war on working families, fomented sexual bigotry, been a family rights-trumping buttinsky in the bedroom and the hospice, ignored the healthcare crisis, slashed social programs for the poor, taken cronyism and political-appointee-amateurism to new heights, buddied up to players in a political bribery operation for his party, outed covert CIA agents for personal revenge, or tried to gut the Social Security system. Those are all mistakes anyone could make.

But I cannot forgive him for that Internet business. No.

so he tries to change the subject and make others do the research for him.
Well if that's the case, I guess we'll get to stick with my research, and conclude that Al Bore's vital input into the creation of the internet was a report he requested in 1987.

Damn, I'm sure it would have never gotten off the ground without that report.

Gore's Internet exaggeration is the single most heinous action ever committed by an American politician.
Oh, surely not. But it gets you moonbats in such an uproar that it's too much fun.

How can you say he kicks ass, when he can't even fight for the job that's rightfully his? Loser is the more appropriate term.

You are so right, FF. He should have just taken Nino hunting and blown that election-skewing bastard away with a load of birdshot! Now that would have been the manly thing to do.

But thanks for acknowledging that he took Florida and thus was elected prez. Now run out and play. Supper's at seven.

conspiracy nut: Linking started in 1965.

Nut, the first thing to do when you're in a hole is to stop digging.

First, 1965 is later than your originally claimed 1961.

Second, work on computer networks was being done in the 1950's.

Third, the thing that defines the Internet, as opposed to other computer networks, is the use of the Internet Protocol. That protocol solved the problem of internetworking (hence the name Internet, get it?). That protocol was developed around 1973, although not really demonstrated until several years later.

Lastly, most of the principles of electromagnetism were divined in the 19th century (along with the total internal refraction used in fiber optics). So maybe I should say that the real father of the Internet was Michael Faraday.

Oh, and 1's and 0's were developed even earlier (thanks to our Hindu friends for the zero).

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DON'T LET IT BE HILLARY!!!!!!!

And I hope we can run JOE MUST GOE Lieberman out of the senate too -- his career, at least as a Dem would be finally over!!!!

Send him home to kiss and snuggle with the chimperor and read Americablog for the last gay news.

OT, but:

Bush's own My Lai:

The ages of the victims are in Arabic numerals.

"Idiots don't read web pages."

"Yes, they do, Otto; they just don't understand them."

You disgusting lying pricks, Newt Gingrich has a quote out there saying how much Al helped the internet.

Sick liars. Look at the war--just look, if you can. I doubt that very much. You'd have to be honest and admit you were clueless bloodthirsty idiots.

All hail George Bush, idiot of the greatest US foreign policy blunder of all time! Isn't it funny how we lied about Al Gore?

First, 1965 is later than your originally claimed 1961.
1961 -Leonard Kleinrock, MIT: "Information Flow in Large Communication Nets" (May 31)
First paper on packet-switching (PS) theory

Well, I knew conspiracy nut was going to dominate this thread. I was disappointed to see that it took him a while before he made his first "Wooden Al/Al Bore" reference. That one always cracks me up - so original, never gets old! Love that conservative wit!

Our boy c.n. is the sort who, fifty years ago, would have been driving around in an old car with scripture references painted on it, and a couple of "Get U.S. out of the U.N." stickers on the bumper.

If patriots opposed to tyranny are afraid to run then who will run...the country?

Oh, forgot to point out that Kleinrock's 1961 paper was nothing compared to Al's request for a report in 1987.

"Well, except that that's not true"

Well, except that it's not true that that's not true. Its truth status is indeterminate, because when the internet was "born" is a matter of opinion, not fact.

"Get U.S. out of the U.N." stickers on the bumper.
Naw, I like us in the UN, and I like the UN in the US. You know the old saying: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer".

Gore wanted someone squeaky clean, at least sexaully.

So that was BEFORE all the huggy/kissie with the smirking chimp?

The only diffrence between monica/clinton and the chimperor/gannon-gucker is that gannon-guckert must swallow and lewiski doesn't.

Do you think we can find sheets from gannon-guckert's overnights at the whitehouse? Would they have chimp DNA on them and perhaps some santorum stains too (santorum is term for the frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex).

Alek (hanging head in shame), you're right, as always.

floop, so sorry about the news down under. We're thinking about you guys.

1961 -Leonard Kleinrock, MIT: "Information Flow in Large Communication Nets" (May 31) First paper on packet-switching (PS) theory

Yes, so? You claimed "the internet was born in 1961", not, "the first paper on packet-switching theory was published in 1961"; taking the publication of the first paper on packet-switching as the birth of the internet is like taking the date your parents met as the date of your birth.

tbrosz:

Y'know, Tom, I've cut you more than your share of slack. I've had email discussions with my friends here who insist my charity towards you is in vain. Waterfowl's over on another thread insisting that you're, you know, a reasonable guy and not a troll, and at one time I was inclined to agree.

I'm beginning to see where people are coming from, though. You really do have a habit of taking things out of context and reasserting points that have been thoroughly demolished.

First point here: It is extremely bad form to post a response to a long thread in a different thread where people didn't see the initial post -- especially if your response amounts to taking little bits out of context. I only alerted you to my response here; if you wanted to rebut it you should have done it on the original thread.

So now -- since you're such a SacRete head -- you've forced me to repost the original thread *here*.

Since you laid not one glove on those points, I'd like the folks here to see the context you shredded.

Apologies to all who've seen this already.

tbrosz:

> Bob, I read Riverbend back when she and Zeyad were
> almost the only people blogging from Iraq.

And this excuses your interpretation ... how?

> Had the war never happened, she would still be going to
> work, programming computers, living in air-conditioned
> comfort from the electrical power sucked from the rest
> of Iraq, going to college, and blissfully ignorant, or
> trying to be, of the oppression falling on those
> who were not lucky enough to be part of her group.

And the moral of this story is ... what? That Riverbend and her
social cohort should have been annihilated for being an example
of how Saddam's tyrant state selectively persecuted people?

You obviously haven't read much great war literature, have you.
Most of the most eloquent and wise commentaries on the aftermaths
of wars have been written by the former elite newly disenfranchised.

Gone With The Wind ring a bell?

Riverbend's social situation isn't any more her fault than the
fact that we invaded her country. Just as your own privileged
position gives you no greater or lesser purchase on the truth of
America. It says exactly zero about the justification of the war.
If Riverbend were some kind of pro-Sunni bigot or Saddam apologist
-- well, alright then. But she obviously is neither, so people
like you and the resentment-driven pro-American Iraqi bloggers have
to make this crap up out of whole cloth. It is the most egregious
kind of pseudo-Socialist class warfare rhetoric that you would hotly
reject in any other context. Save when it serves your purposes.

> She seems to have very little to say about Saddam,
> about the effect of sanctions or tyranny on her
> life (if any), or other issues like that.

Right, Tom. She stands as a repudiation of the prowar
propaganda about Saddam's tyrant state -- which is why you and
prowar apologists feel such a strong need to shit on her for, you
know, the happenstance of being born an upper-middle-class Sunni.

> Iraq's middle class was supposedly being destroyed by
> sanctions (I remember the articles, even if a lot of
> others don't.) Does she sound like she missed any meals?

I don't know if she did or not, Tom. Do you? Do you have
*anything* other than this secondhand sectarian resentment
to imply that she found life under the sanctions hunky-dory?

> Do you think she ever railed against living in a
> dictatorship prior to 2003? If there is some mention
> of her pre-war activism, I must have missed it.

So ... Riverbend's views *now* would only be relevant if she
were in favor of the war. Makes a lot of sense to me. It *does*,
however, explain how people on the shorter end of Saddam's stick
would wish to discredit her views. And that's fine -- their
perspective is also valid. But so is hers as a secularized Iraqi
pluralist and technocrat with a cultural predilection for democracy.

This irony here is truly too grotesque to be remotely funny.

> These are facts, and other Iraqi bloggers have similar observations.

Of course they do, Tom. It was well-known before the war that
there was a cohort of urban middle class who lived well (by Mideast
standards) and relatively unmolested under Saddam's regime. That
had, you know, women's rights -- which are now imperiled by the
religious coalitions jockeying for power in the Iraqi government.

Why *wouldn't* a woman like Riverbend fear and tremble over that?

> What's funny is that under so many other circumstances,
> a liberal would treat the political opinions of someone in a
> privileged class in a foreign nation with a lot more skepticism.

What's funnIER is that a conservative would try to
discount a person's views based on her class alone.

Tom, in a warfull of clueless analogies, this one's still a doozy.
NEWS FLASH: The Iraq war wasn't the result of a popular uprising.

> Certainly Iraqi bloggers who are more pro-war are consistently
> accused by the Left of being paid shills on no real evidence.

I don't know if they're all paid shills or not (although I have no
doubt that some have been championed and disseminated by right-wing
blogs, and I strongly suspect that others have received financial
help from Americans and/or the US government). What I do know is
that the so-called pro-Saddam and pro-Sunni bias in Riverbend is
made up out of whole cloth and inferred by what she doesn't say.

And everybody who's studied literature or journalism knows that
you can't critique a work based on what you'd like it to say.

Bob

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