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March 24, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

TOM DELAY AND THE RUSSIANS....Last year the Washington Post reported that in 1997 Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff went on a lavish golfing junket to Russia that was paid for by NAFTASib, an Abramoff client with "tight connections to the Russian security establishment."

A couple of weeks after the Post story appeared, NBC got hold of actual hotel records from DeLay's stay at the Moscow Country Club. The records showed that room charges for DeLay and Abramoff were mingled together and then paid for on the credit card of Alexander Koulakovsky, general manager of NAFTASib.

But it turns out the junket is the least of the story, because after the trip NAFTASib also gave money to the U.S. Family Network, an advocacy group closely associated with DeLay. Lots of money. A million dollars, in fact. And just what did the Russian security establishment want from DeLay? Did they really spend a million bucks via NAFTASib just to influence DeLay's vote on an IMF bailout as one of DeLay's associates admitted to the Post? Who knows.

But whatever it was for, Peter Stone has a new piece in the National Journal today informing us that even more money was involved than we thought. Through a front company, NAFTASib also donated $250,000 to the U.S. Family Network before DeLay's trip to Moscow. That payment came shortly after a lunch meeting in Houston, and Stone reports that "the meeting has attracted the attention of federal investigators."

I'll bet it has.

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We already knew what Mr. DeLay is. Now we're just haggling over the price.

Posted by: shortstop on March 24, 2006 at 7:45 PM | PERMALINK

Good. Such suspicious conduct ought to be investigated. I think most Republicans would agree. Too bad Democrats didn't agree when it was Clinton and the Chinese.

Posted by: Reg on March 24, 2006 at 7:49 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if this is why DeLay and the Republicans in congress wouldn't support the war in Kosovo against Russia's friend Milosovich.

Posted by: Judy on March 24, 2006 at 7:52 PM | PERMALINK

And the rightwingflaks rip the Russians for things like giving helpful intel to Saddam (which we just heard they did indeed do.) How will apologists worm out of this one? Keep banging on that culture of corruption, Drum!

PS - I might be able to go to the Novak VIP Forum in April - is it worth it?

Posted by: Neil' on March 24, 2006 at 7:57 PM | PERMALINK

Calm down, Kevin. My sources tell me that there was no oral sex on this trip and that DeLay does these money transfer things all the time, so it's really none of our business.

Posted by: tbonz on March 24, 2006 at 7:57 PM | PERMALINK

Republican Culture of Corruption.

Stay Focussed.

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on March 24, 2006 at 8:10 PM | PERMALINK

But it's not like he's a serial fornicator and we'd have to tell the children.

Posted by: cld on March 24, 2006 at 8:22 PM | PERMALINK

One can only wonder what kind of access (and acquiesence) that money bought.

On the other hand, DeLay is the most manifestly corrupt politician of my lifetime (eclipsing even the Daley machine)--yet, he won his primary without breaking a sweat. What does that say about the voters in his district?

Posted by: Derelict on March 24, 2006 at 8:29 PM | PERMALINK

Clinton and the Chinese, huh?

Tell me about the facts not the spin....

Would you suggest that this would not have been in the domain of Ken Star, for one?

Secondly, dude, he hasn't been the President for what, about 6 years. That drum head is threadbare.

Drink some more kool aid. The corruption, indictments and hidden items coming to the light of day dwarfs any other scams that I recall....

Posted by: Geo Washington Hayduke on March 24, 2006 at 8:38 PM | PERMALINK

osama_been_forgotten >"Republican Culture of Corruption..."

That`s ReThuglican Treasonous Culture of Corruption Mr. Forgotten

And don`t you forget it !

"Proof depends on who you are. We're looking for a preponderance of evidence, and some people need more of a preponderance than other people." - John Kantner

Posted by: daCascadian on March 24, 2006 at 8:39 PM | PERMALINK

What a hoot. We can start writing the black-and-white TV commercial now.

Announcer:

"We sent Tom DeLay to Congress to represent Americans.

Not Russians.

Since he won't do it, let's get someone who will.

Nick Lampson for Congress. For America."

Posted by: Bill Camarda on March 24, 2006 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK

OMG you guys are bringing all this up. Now Karl Rove's genius will kill all our chances winning even 20% of the congressional elections.

Please stop talking about Republican corruption. That will backfire on us in November and in 2008.

We should only talk about drivers' licenses for illegal aliens.

Posted by: lib on March 24, 2006 at 8:41 PM | PERMALINK

Derelict >"...What does that say about the voters in his district?"

hmmmmm...

NOT something we can tell the children

"Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Posted by: daCascadian on March 24, 2006 at 8:44 PM | PERMALINK

Now Karl Rove's genius will kill all our chances winning even 20% of the congressional elections.

The FACT that the dems are going to get their asses kicked in November '06 has nothing to do with Karl Rove, and everything to do with the grave they've been digging for themselves for the past 6 years, every time they voted for the Patriot "Act", the War, the Bankruptcy bill, and failed to push for impeachment or censure.

They fucked themselves. All by themselves, without much help from Rove. Democrats. The Mastrubation Party.

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on March 24, 2006 at 9:00 PM | PERMALINK

(I wonder if the money was to help destabilize the United States...didn't the impeachment hearings take place soon after these payoff?)

Posted by: parrot on March 24, 2006 at 9:19 PM | PERMALINK

Tom Delay, a real American! When called to defend his country (VIETNAM) he said there where so many minorities going there was no room for him!!!!!! These guys really love America as long as someone else does the fighting!

Chickenhawks!

Posted by: Randy McQueen on March 24, 2006 at 9:53 PM | PERMALINK

I await the howls of "treason!" from the Right.

[crickets...]

Posted by: craigie on March 24, 2006 at 9:54 PM | PERMALINK

Lenin is spinning in his grave.

"The capitalists will sell us the rope we need to hang them with."

Why did they waste all that money on ICBM's and stuff? With a few $M they could have bought Congress and won the Cold War.

Posted by: alex on March 24, 2006 at 9:59 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, dont waste your bandwidth trying to get people excited about golfing junkets to Russia and the arcane money trail to some faux 503 (c)(3) shell organization. The average Americans eyes glaze over when you start talking about things like that. There is a dead body that we need to tie to Mr. Tom DeLay and Mr. Jack Abramoff, the way the Repugs tied the corpse of Vince Foster to Hillary Clinton. By extension, that makes the GOP a pack of murderers, which the average American can wrap their mind around. Unless we jump ugly on these degenerates, the Democrats will remain a minority party for decades.

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on March 24, 2006 at 10:24 PM | PERMALINK

Good. Such suspicious conduct ought to be investigated. I think most Republicans would agree. Too bad Democrats didn't agree when it was Clinton and the Chinese.

Posted by: Reg on March 24, 2006 at 7:49 PM | PERMALINK

There WAS an "investigation" of "Clinton and the Chinese" by congressional committees, there Reg. Several of them. In fact, Republicans spent millions in taxpayer dollars doing it. Know what they found? Same thing as is in your head: Not a damn thing. Now. Go back to fucking your sister or whatever you do there in the trailer park.

Posted by: Harmon on March 24, 2006 at 10:41 PM | PERMALINK

Harmon sez, "Not a damn thing"
No chinese money gurgled through Indonesians channels to Democrat campaigns,
no no no
Clinton money trails always purer than driven snow, yes yes yes
Impeachment was only stupid thing about sex with the 19-year-old intern
ha ha ha
Clintons really did lose money on that long-ago real estate deal, just never claimed any such loss on their income tax, never never never
but itemized and depreciated their undies
Everybody makes million dollars (in today's money) on beef futures when they don't know crap about it. In one calendar year to the day.
Tyson Foods flies every Arkansas governor around so they can run for president, why Huckabee is probably overhead in their corporate jet as we speak.
Chinese did not benefit militarily from technology transfers slicked through by Slick Willie 1992-2000. Even if they did, nobody important really cares because our military just bunch of red neck goobers in Iraq because they can't get real jobs. Who knows what their wimin are doin back in those trailer houses until soldier boy gets home?
Harmon, the Clintons made a million dollars selling presidential pardons on their way out the door. Oh yes they did.
Harmon, we didn't make Clinton rules, but you know, everybody gets to play by the same rules. Otherwise this game could get really nasty.

Posted by: Michael L. Cook on March 24, 2006 at 11:02 PM | PERMALINK

Elmo captured by insurgents in al Ambar Province, Iraq

Posted by: rapscallion on March 24, 2006 at 11:05 PM | PERMALINK

Mr. Cook,

Ken Starr spent 47 or so million trying to pin a crime on Bill.

Can we how have 47 million and our own partisan prosecutor to go after the admitted criminal in the white house?

Posted by: Santos Trafficante on March 24, 2006 at 11:31 PM | PERMALINK

Amazingly Mr. Cook repeats so many lies that merely to refute them gives them more credence than they deserve. As with all right-wing nutcases, he fails to provide a shred of evidence, but that's because he doesn't have a shred of decency. The funniest one on his list is giving Clinton giving Scooter Libby's client a pardon, but the notion that Clinton gave away military secrets is belied both the the Cox report and by the Bush administration's willingness to give China unfettered access to one of our spy plane for weeks.

Mr. Cook lives in a fantasy world where the impeachment counts passed on to the Senate were substantial and had to do with things other than the Paula Jones case.

Give it up Mike. The facts are against you. $100 Million in investigations got your team squat.

Posted by: heavy on March 24, 2006 at 11:34 PM | PERMALINK

Um.... let's use this one, okay? A simple, catchy phrase to grab people's attention. How's this:

"Republican gets exciting expense paid golf trip for two to Russia, and picks up a cool $1.25M from Russian Security Agents for now defunct money laundering operation...."

Posted by: nobody in particular on March 24, 2006 at 11:45 PM | PERMALINK

Kidan and Big Tony are not the only mob connections hounding the GOP right now...they gots lots of problems in New York...

Posted by: parrot on March 24, 2006 at 11:48 PM | PERMALINK

Ah, yes, the Chinese scandal. Would that be the same Chinese scandal in which the only bonafide Chinese spy turned out to be a big Republican fundraiser? Who also just happened to be sleeping with the FBI agent investigating Democratic fundraising? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on March 24, 2006 at 11:52 PM | PERMALINK

MJ Memphis you have it so right!!!! But that spy gall was also the chief of the California Republican Party. What a hoot.

Posted by: DaveA on March 25, 2006 at 1:38 AM | PERMALINK

rapscallion >"Elmo captured by insurgents..."

Oh No !!!

Tell Jenna & not Jenna immediately

Stop the war because Elmo wants off

"Stop quoting the laws to us. We carry swords." - Pompey

Posted by: daCascadian on March 25, 2006 at 1:40 AM | PERMALINK

MJ Memphis you have it so right!!!! But that spy gall was also the chief of the California Republican Party. What a hoot.

Posted by: DaveA on March 25, 2006 at 1:41 AM | PERMALINK

I can see the shirt at Cafe Press now

"Tom Delay went to Russia to play golf (and commit Treason) and all "We the people..." got was this silly t-shirt"

"...you cannot save your face and your ass at the same time..." - vachon@shadrach.net

Posted by: daCascadian on March 25, 2006 at 1:46 AM | PERMALINK

Tom Delay and the Ruskies, Saddam and the Ruskies, both stories from years past resurfacing at the same time...

Posted by: Boronx on March 25, 2006 at 2:43 AM | PERMALINK

Most of Mr. Cook's ad hominem attacks could be debunked easily, but they are part of the hard right's Clinton mythology, so facts do not matter to them.

While I have never been a Clinton lover, his misdeeds tended to be personal ones. Bush's misdeeds involve the deaths of thousands of innocent lives. Who will God judge more harshly? I would hate to be George W. Bush standing at Judgment Day with all of the blood dripping off his hands....

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on March 25, 2006 at 7:03 AM | PERMALINK

Well, give this White guy credit: at least he stepped in. Where's Al, tbrosz. cn. and Jay? Talking points on this one not designed yet, boys?

Posted by: Ace Franze on March 25, 2006 at 8:08 AM | PERMALINK

And, as we know, the Family gig was a conduit to the sniper school in the occupied territories, so (said the boys at Harvard) the MSM won't pursue it.

Posted by: skip on March 25, 2006 at 8:51 AM | PERMALINK

Big story in the paper today about how the Russians gave US military secrets to Saddam before the invasion 3 years ago. Supposedly they had intelligence in the "US High Command". Wonder if that could have been DeLay???

Posted by: es on March 25, 2006 at 8:53 AM | PERMALINK

Congress should get back to work without DeLay

Posted by: Joel Rubinstein on March 25, 2006 at 9:00 AM | PERMALINK

Source: Andrew Tobias (submitted to his blog by Marc Emory)

Posted by: Joel Rubinstein on March 25, 2006 at 9:15 AM | PERMALINK

Mikey Cook, you're a good Christian, ain't ya, kid?

How about show us some Christian character and come back and defend your dogwater.

Posted by: Santos Trafficante on March 25, 2006 at 9:41 AM | PERMALINK

Good morning morons.
Please investigate, investigate, investigate. I would recommend spending the next two years absorbed with rage investigating everything about this administration. Afterall, the republicans sure gained a lot from there investigations of Clinton, not. But why learn from history, you never do so why start now. I mean you guys still think socialism is a viable political solution.

Had you ever stopped to think that with so many Ivy League ivory tower legal elites that absolutely despise GW that they would have been able to pin something on him by now? Oh no, but you guys are much smarter than that and have all the answers, so be my guest, let the investigation begin.

What platform? Who needs a platform.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK

Jay: There is nothing to "pin on" Bush. The simple fact is that he is a failure. A miserable, incompetant failure. He says he is for small government, but has made it bigger. He says he is for fiscal repsonsibility, but has made the debt explode. He says he is for spreading democracy and has created another Iran.

Posted by: Pat on March 25, 2006 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

Gee, Jay, go somewhere else if that's the best you can do.

Pub hero DeLay is in bed with the Russians and all you've got is "socialism" and "Ivy League...elites?"

You should take Pat seriously.

Posted by: Ace Franze on March 25, 2006 at 10:37 AM | PERMALINK

Your compatriots seem to disagree with you Pat on the legal issue, however I do agree with much of your post.

Bush is certainly not living up to his conservative priniciples of small government and fiscal discipline. That is why his poll numbers are so low and why the base is not real happy with him. The left believes that the low poll numbers favor them, I disagree, I think it is because GW is not conservative enough.

Iraq is certainly the bell weather of this administration and despite the clamor of "quagmire", I believe that deposing a dictator and putting him on trial, recruiting, organizing and training and new military/security force, and conducting three successful free elections resulting in a represntative government all in three years is quite an achievement. 11 million Iraqi's risked their lives to vote, not once, but three times. We need to respect their wishes, give them the tools to protect and govern their country and come home. Hopefully this summer.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

Ace, you surrender faster than the French.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 10:43 AM | PERMALINK

"Bush is certainly not living up to his conservative priniciples of small government and fiscal discipline. That is why his poll numbers are so low and why the base is not real happy with him. The left believes that the low poll numbers favor them, I disagree, I think it is because GW is not conservative enough"


No, Jay, that isn't it.

Posted by: Ace Franze on March 25, 2006 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

Jay,

Don't forget to wipe your ass when you're done.

'K, kid?

Posted by: Santos Trafficante on March 25, 2006 at 10:54 AM | PERMALINK

I'm a retarded dipshit who can only respond with nonsense when confronted with further evidence of corruption by the already indicted former Republican leader.

That's my party, all corrupt, all sleazy, all stupid, all the time.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 10:56 AM | PERMALINK

Jay on March 25, 2006 at 10:20 AM:

I would recommend spending the next two years absorbed with rage investigating everything about this administration.

Sure. Tell your Republican't handlers to get the Republican't leadership in Washington to allow the Dems to subpoena administration officials. Let's have a full investigation by an independent counsul, much like the Republican'ts did, absorbed with rage, with Clinton...I bet you'll find much worse things than lying about a blowjob...I look forward to hearing about your full support for delivering Congreesional subpoenas to the Dubya White House...

After all, the republicans sure gained a lot from there investigations of Clinton, not.

Just the 2000 US Presidency...Oh wait, they didn't really win that, did they?

But why learn from history, you never do so why start now.

Typical...When is your side gonna stop projecting your faults onto your opponents?

I mean you guys still think socialism is a viable political solution.

Great...Tell your Republican't handlers to get the Republican't leadership in Washington to eliminate or significantly change that ultimate expression of American socialism, Social Security...Or has your side learned enough from history yet?

Had you ever stopped to think that with so many Ivy League ivory tower legal elites that absolutely despise GW that they would have been able to pin something on him by now?

If that was actually true, then yes, something may have stuck by now. However, since Dubya is one of those Ivy League-types, one could just as easily argue that they're protecting one of their own...Which is about as legitimate as your original argument.

so be my guest, let the investigation begin.

Thank you for your support. Have you contacted all of your Republican't Congressmen yet?

What platform? Who needs a platform.

Heh. It's driving you guys nuts that the Dems aren't showing their hand...

Posted by: grape_crush on March 25, 2006 at 10:56 AM | PERMALINK

Care to elaborate Ace? Or is that the best you've got.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 10:57 AM | PERMALINK

Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Well Clinton! Clinton, Clinton, Clinton! Waco Waco Waco!

You bastards killed my Jesus! All praise to Koresh!

He's molesting a thousand underage virgins in heaven right now, and there's nothing you can do about it!

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

Who cares if polling on every major policy issue shows that the American public doesn't want someone more conservative? I think otherwise, and Koresh--praise be his name--told me I'm right.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

grape, please, they have no hand. And whatever is in their "hand" is certainly nothing to be worried about.

Protecting their own, hell they even throw members of their own party off of the reservation, ie: Liebermann. So yeah sure they'll go to the wall for GW, right?

"There is nothing wrong with SS". That's the democratic stance and I implore you to tell that to the voters in '08. If you can do it with a straight face.

You mean the reps did not win in '98, '00, '02, or '04? Really. Wow, that is a comfortable reality you have built for yourself.

As I said before, investigate you little tiny brains out on this one. Don't just say you're going to do it, DO IT. Of course this is typical democrat bullshit, all talk and no walk.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:05 AM | PERMALINK

Ace, you can do a better impression of me than that. BTW, you're debating skills are very good for a liberal.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

How's your little girlfriend, Jay?

Posted by: Lucy on March 25, 2006 at 11:08 AM | PERMALINK

And this guy is still raising money for a fall campaign...amazing.

Posted by: Ben Merc on March 25, 2006 at 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

A lot hotter than you Lucy.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

Jay on March 25, 2006 at 10:41 AM:

Bush is certainly not living up to his conservative priniciples..

He's not living up to liberal principles, either. More like 'War Profiteer' principles.

That is why his poll numbers are so low and why the base is not real happy with him.

Uh, no. His poll numbers are down because he's an incompetent, corrupt clusterfuck of a CinC...It's just taken conservatives longer to realize it.

I think it is because GW is not conservative enough.

Sweet! You mean that the Republicans should run on an 'eliminate Social Security' platfrom for the next few elections? Awesome!...for their opponents, that is...

Iraq is certainly the bell weather of this administration

Hence the low poll numbers.

11 million Iraqi's risked their lives to vote, not once, but three times.

And they continue to risk their lives every day when they wake up in the morning. If they wake up.

...and come home. Hopefully this summer.

Jay is now Cut'n Run Jay! Dubya doesn't agree with you by-the-way...

Back on topic: Tom DeLay crooked? Who knew?...I'm just wondering who the hell is still voting for him...he can't have that many family members...maybe the termites and cockroaches?

Posted by: grape_crush on March 25, 2006 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

I hope you make her do her homework first.

Sleazeball.

Posted by: Lucy on March 25, 2006 at 11:16 AM | PERMALINK

Jay been playing in your kids meth lab again?

Posted by: Neo on March 25, 2006 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

Oh I don't let her go to school Lucy.

You might want to learn a little more about Iraq than what AirAmerica tells you grape. Are they still in business?

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

The neocons' plan for the post-war:

"Hopefully this summer."

Posted by: Lucy on March 25, 2006 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

FOLLOW THE MONEY!

Posted by: yellowdog-Ed on March 25, 2006 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

Cut'n Run Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:05 AM:

Don't just say you're going to do it, DO IT. Of course this is typical democrat bullshit, all talk and no walk.

How's your campaign to allow Congressional Dems subpoena power going, Cut'n Run Jay? I look forward to hearing about your progress...

And whatever is in their "hand" is certainly nothing to be worried about.

Yet it's driving you nuts, er... More nuts! Maybe I should re-nickname you 'Nuts'n Run Jay'...

Posted by: grape_crush on March 25, 2006 at 11:23 AM | PERMALINK

The loser liberal plan:

We can't do anything; all is lost and hopeless. We should have never tried to free anybody from oppression. After all, we've tried for fifty years to help African-Americans and the poor in this country and haven't achieved shit. So if we, the intellectually superior can't get it done, well then nobody can. Hey, I wonder what the Hollywood celebrities are doing today?

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:27 AM | PERMALINK

Jay bugs bunny is on the tube now, you can mess with these communists later.

Posted by: Neo on March 25, 2006 at 11:29 AM | PERMALINK

Well, shit-for-brains grape is following in shit-for-brains steffy's shoes, well done!

You don't need to wait for subpoena power for the brain dead congressional dems, if there is any outright illegalities bring the charge today. C'mon, I am waiting.............

The democrats "plan" is the same one it's been for six years shit-for-brains grape, no surprise and no victory. In fact, the left lost by more margin in '04 than they did in '00. Now that's progress!!!!!

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

>We should have never tried to free anybody from oppression.

What was the casus belli, Jay?

Posted by: Lucy on March 25, 2006 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

I am watching it Neo, it's a good one. It's where Daffy becomes a liberal and proceeds to lose the next four elections.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

The reasons for going to war Lucy, was primarily the violation of 17 UN resolutions stemming from the Gulf war in which the allies reserved the right to continue hostilities towards the Iraqi regime if any ONE of the resolutions were violated. All 17 resolutions were violated. Sorry you missed that Lucy, try doing some homework, if you're man will let you.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

Jay your reception must be bad Daffy is a parody of Delay and he goes to prison for the next four election cycles. It's in the tv guide look.

Posted by: Neo on March 25, 2006 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

Jay, I have a bridge to sell you.

Posted by: Lucy on March 25, 2006 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

You remeber the UN Lucy, don't you? That international body you deem to be so above the fray and concerned of Human Rights, while the Sudan burns and the Islamic Theocracy continues to kill muslims at an alarming rate.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

17 U.N. resolutions? I thought you guys hated the UN? Why would you care about anything the UN does?

Posted by: Neo on March 25, 2006 at 11:42 AM | PERMALINK

That's not the only thing you want to sell me, right?

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

Someone has to defend their honor and principles. I mean they certainly won't do it.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:44 AM | PERMALINK

Nuts'n Run Jay on March 25, 2006 at 11:22 AM:

You might want to learn a little more about Iraq than what AirAmerica tells you grape.

Okay, now I'm really looking forward to the Nuts'n Run Jay Report from the streets of Baghdad...Just make sure that you spend a week or two outside the Green Zone without armed guards; try to get an interview with a few 'insurgents' while you're at it...Make sure you tell them how great you think Dubya's Iraq adventure is and why Dubya needs to build long-term bases there...

See you when you get back... If you get back, that is...

Are they still in business?

According to their site, 89 stations since its launch 2 years ago.

As for my listening habits, I'm listening to Radio Nigel more than anything else lately...

Posted by: grape_crush on March 25, 2006 at 11:44 AM | PERMALINK

UN hmm Oil for food scandal right? Why would the rightwingers want to get in bed with those people? Next your gonna tell us Norm Coleman was wrong when he gave that brutal cross-examination to George Galloway.

Posted by: Neo on March 25, 2006 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

In Mother Russia, family very important.

Posted by: stupid git on March 25, 2006 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINK

Jay this is for you.

enemy

Posted by: Neo on March 25, 2006 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin,

I'm interested in your take on Clive Cook's article on Health Care reform in the Atlantic this month.

He makes a compelling argument against single payer.

and I would add that by extending his line of argument on the political implications of single payer, if ends up working anywhere near as bad as the prescription drug benefit, it could kill the democrats in the long run.
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Posted by: Jonathan Schwartz on March 25, 2006 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK

Trading with a foreign intelligence service should put DeLAy away forever. This is why you cannot trust the Republicans of today with national security. They are really so craven that they will sell us out for cash. Every time. My God. And Jay is here defending this garbage? WTF? DeLay needs to take a long vacation to Kansas.

Posted by: Sparko on March 25, 2006 at 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

Think about this - DeLay is estranged from his mom - they haven't spoken for years, despite the fact that The Ten Commandments are prominently displayed in his office...Honor thy father and thy mother and DeLay can't pick up his phone and call his mom on Mother's Day.
Now watch this drive...re Kosovo

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"You can support the troops but not the president"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

Yes, these Russians did have ties to Milosevic.
And of course, just for G.P -

Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)


Posted by: taters on March 25, 2006 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK

MARK SHIELDS: Tom DeLay, the House Whip, and a member of House Republicans, this actual impeachment. That's exactly what it is. They're going to make it Clinton/Gore's war and they're going to guarantee that it doesn't work. Paul can say they're emulating, they're simulating. What that was - you had the House Republican Whip whipping members on the floor to vote against air cover that had been supported by president George Bush, supported by Bob Dole, the last Republican nominee, supported by Dick Lugar, the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and John Warner, the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Dick Shelby, Richard Shelby, the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. And he whipped them to the point where they were contradictory. They're saying we're against bringing our troops home. We're just going to leave them there.

http://www.desertratdemocrat.com/archives/2005/04/did_delay_commi.html

Tom DeLay, what an American!

Posted by: taters on March 25, 2006 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

In fairness to DeLay, the enemy was willing to pay him more. It was free market-driven treason. That makes it better they tell us.

Posted by: Sparko on March 25, 2006 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

Delay can go to prison, for all I care, IF he is guilty. Doesn't matter to the base, we'll just put another "better" republican in his place.

Neo, did that video scare you? It just looked like a bunch of third world loser murderous theocrats to me. They sure have the liberals running scared though.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

Sparky, Marc Rich was the example of fair-market treason. You remember him? The guy that Clinton pardoned in return for his library.

I wonder if Clinton ever did Denise, she was hot.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

Delay can go to prison, for all I care, IF he is guilty. Doesn't matter to the base, we'll just put another "better" republican in his place.

Posted by: Ben Domenech on March 25, 2006 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK

Actually Rove said that first Ben. Jeez, give props where props are due.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

Neo, did that video scare you? It just looked like a bunch of third world loser murderous theocrats to me. They sure have the liberals running scared though.

Kinda of like watching a republican convention now they scare me

Posted by: Neo on March 25, 2006 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK

That's right Neo, the big bad republicans.

Wait, that video also rminded me of KKK Byrd and his buddies. You know Byrd don't you Neo? One of the leading Democratic Senators who just happens to be an former Grand Wizard of the KKK, and use to wear hoods a lot like the Islamist Theocrats. OOPS!

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

I just got my copy of "Naked Boys at Camp". I'll be busy for a few seconds.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

Oh wait, this is your copy Neo.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

Oops finished already. I'm mad at Tom anyway because he said he wouldn't do it in my mouth and then did anyway. Meanie.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

Tom tasted like bug spray. Dubya tastes like sunshine and puppies.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

Ken Mehlman tastes like my butt. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

I say "use to" because on top of my immorality I'm illiterate.

Posted by: Jay on March 25, 2006 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK
Harmon, we didn't make Clinton rules, but you know, everybody gets to play by the same rules. Posted by: Michael L. Cook at 11:02 PM
Yes, you did and no, you don't.
in three years is quite an achievement. 11 million Iraqi's risked their lives to vote, not once, but three times. We need to respect their wishes, give them the tools to protect and govern their country and come home. Hopefully this summer. Posted by: Jay at 10:41 AM
Bush says we're not coming home while he's pres; and, as for all that good news: Is NOT To Be Found In The Schools...

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The day began like any other at Dijla Primary School in Baghdad's posh Mansour district. Rows of students in neat gray and white uniforms gathered in the courtyard to raise the Iraqi flag and sing the national anthem. They read passages from religious texts, then cheerfully went to their classrooms. Headmistress Wajida Sharhan was working in her office when a mortar shell slammed into a second-floor fifth grade classroom.
"The sound of the explosion was so powerful, as if heaven and earth collided," she said. "I couldn't open my eyes because of the dust. I heard loud screams from the children, and a girl came into my office with her arm nearly cut off."
Bombs, rockets, mortar and machine-gun fire killed 64 school children in the four months ending Feb. 28 alone, according to a report by the Education Ministry. At least 169 teachers and 84 other employees died in the same period.

Posted by: Mike on March 25, 2006 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK

"Delay can go to prison, for all I care, IF he is guilty. Doesn't matter to the base, we'll just put another "better" republican in his place."

Can't get any more base than that. Basso Profundo. Wow, revolving traitors. Thanks Jay. You proved that Republicans will do anything for money.

A "better" republican is a person who sought help for their delusions. Most become Democrats. Some are reassimilated by the cult.

Posted by: Sparko on March 25, 2006 at 6:23 PM | PERMALINK

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

Tater, but that was when a Dem was in office. The more pertinent quote is:


"I'm the commander, see, I don't need to explain. I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president."

- President George W. Bush (in Bush at War)


Posted by: idaho instant on March 25, 2006 at 6:50 PM | PERMALINK

Well I for one am glad that at least the price for this influence was rather high (1.25 million dollars). One of the most embarassing aspects of the recent scandals is just how LITTLE money is involved. Jake Rudinsky over at exile.ru had a real good article contrasting the amounts of money involved in Russian scandals (very high) with the amount in American ones (pitifully low). Honestly, I agree with him: if there's going to be corruption, I'd rather have politicians that were at least expensive!

This might seem counter-intuitive, but think about it: what kind of person sells out his vote for a couple of golf trips and a few thousand in cash? To me, that's even worse than a pol who makes real money through malfeasance. It shows just how cheap these people think they (and by extension our whole government) are. I think a lot of people are apt to dismiss these scandals for this very reason , thinking that there is no possible way that influence could be that cheap. Most people wouldn't imagine that they would compromise their own professional ethics for such paltry rewards. But most people are not House Republicans.

Posted by: kokblok on March 26, 2006 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

It takes a special kind of people to deliberately target schools for mortar fire, does it not? Bush, Cheney, and Rummsfeld want to locate all those kind of people by 2009 and reward them as they deserve. This isn't too hard, as buses leave bus stations in Saudi Arabia nearly every day with an excess of young men aboard bound for Baghdad.

Most of those wannabee terrorists will be soon intercepted by Iraqi militias and their bodies will turn up here and there. The luckier ones might attack Americans and have a chance to surrender. A minority of them will survive the steep learning curve for terrorism and become proficient at their chosen life's work.

Putting on the rusty old prophet's hat, I predict that by this November 2/3 of the Guantanimo detainees will be released. The number of American troops in Iraq will drop below 100,000.

By November of 2008 the number of our troops in Iraq will be below 25,000. Most of our seasoned troops will be home resting and re-equipping. Probably sometime after November 8th, 2008, a massive American attack on Iran will commence. This time a WMD will be found right away, because the Iranian military will probably use several devices to try and defend their nation.

It will be hard to hit the fast-moving Americans, however, even if the Iranians don't care about collateral damage to their own people. Rather more likely is that a large American naval vessel will be hit and sunk, or high value targets in Dubai destroyed, or American staging points in Iraq.

The new president, if he is John McCain, will have to endure the Bush team's 10 week lame duck war. Then Team Bush will bow out and leave the new prez in possession of Iran and wondering what to do about it. In the instance that the new president is a Democrat, she will be in exactly the same situation. Gee, I now control Iran, what do I do now?

If it happens that Iraq by this time appears as a fairly stable society, recovering from extremist partisanship and passion, then the new president will have a hard time resisting the Bush technique of nation-building, difficult and costly though it is.

Always ask yourself this: what is the alternative? Do we rely on the U.N. or NATO or some other coalition to come up with a coherent, effective policy of dealing with rogue states that deny the Holocaust existed and make not-so-veiled threats of what they will do with nuclear bombs?

Posted by: Michael L. Cook on March 26, 2006 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

Oh, the difference between Tom DeLay and Duke Cunningham is this. The Dukester was caught way over the line. All of DeLay's deals are calculatedly borderline in the best Clinton style.

Because the Clintons never could be prosecuted for anything (their confederates and brothers were always the bagmen) DeLay figures he shouldn't either. Hillary's deal with the beef futures was an absolute lesson on how to be corrupt right in front of everyone. We are all playing by the Clinton rule book and Tom DeLay will make sure everybody understands the blatant double-standard hypocrisy of the MSM before he goes down for the count.

Fight on, Tom!

Posted by: Michael L. Cook on March 26, 2006 at 11:42 AM | PERMALINK

Michael L Cook--

Yes, fight on Tom! The more the American public sees your reptile face the better! Fight to the bitter end, just like Andrew Johnson!

BTW,
What the hell does this thread have to do with Iraq? Just wondering.

Posted by: kokblok on March 26, 2006 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK

In all seriousness Bill Camarda (8:40), send that to the Lampson campaign

Posted by: ckelly on March 26, 2006 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

I believe that deposing a dictator and putting him on trial blah, blah, blah.
Funny thing Jay, you didn't seem to think it was such a big deal when Clinton did it.

Without the bloodbath.

Posted by: ckelly on March 26, 2006 at 8:33 PM | PERMALINK

I do not think that Milosovich is Russia's friend...

Posted by: misha on March 27, 2006 at 5:15 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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