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April 3, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

McCAIN ON MTP....Crooks & Liars has the video of John McCain's appearance on Sunday's Meet the Press and it's worth watching. I don't have anything more against McCain than I do against any other conservative Republican politician, but that's because McCain is just another conservative Republican politician. I'll be a slightly happier man if the press corps can figure this out sometime soon and ditch the whole "straight talk" schtick that he's been dazzling them with for the past five years.

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I read a New Yorker interview of him a few years ago, and as soon as I finished it, I thought "he's just another whore."

I don't get the straight talk thing at all. He'll say and do anything to get elected, and he's seriously brain-damagingly conservative. Just goes to show you - perception is everything, reality is nothing.

Posted by: craigie on April 3, 2006 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK

The Dems just need to post that hug photo again and again. It's worse than the one of Sammy Davis Jr and Tricky Dick. Or is it better?

Posted by: Kenji on April 3, 2006 at 1:18 AM | PERMALINK

The Dems just need to post that hug photo again and again....


lol!

Posted by: Den on April 3, 2006 at 1:31 AM | PERMALINK

Kerry should not have backed down when he was running the ad showing McCain crying after Bush's attack.

Posted by: Marky on April 3, 2006 at 1:50 AM | PERMALINK

That's your next Prezzident, u are dizzing.

Posted by: McA on April 3, 2006 at 2:39 AM | PERMALINK

I heard Nam made him a little crazy... Oh, and his wife is a drug addict... and he's also got a black baby.

Just saying.

Posted by: enozinho on April 3, 2006 at 2:41 AM | PERMALINK

I do expect him to look back in anger. I lost all respect for him when he didn't.

Posted by: merlallen on April 3, 2006 at 2:52 AM | PERMALINK

McCain looked weak and grasping for straws to explain away his changed stances. Not a good look for McCain and fatal from my point of view.

Posted by: tb on April 3, 2006 at 3:08 AM | PERMALINK

Running that hug photo would be a double-edged sword. It would galvanize Democrats in the general election, but it might also make Republicans think he was a good successor to Bush in that same election.

Posted by: Linkmeister on April 3, 2006 at 3:11 AM | PERMALINK

McCain? Oh, man. I agree completely with Kevin. The man is a total whore. The media fascination with him just shows how shallow they are. I really hope he gets the Repub nomination. Any decent Democratassuming there is oneshould make mincemeat of this clown.

Does anyone really think the Repubs would be stupid enough to really nominate him?

Posted by: Nixon Did It on April 3, 2006 at 3:17 AM | PERMALINK

Past 5 years? The Media/McCain lovefest goes back much longer than that. I grew up in Arizona so I was aware of McCain's press back in the mid 90s and that is when the 'ole straight talkin' maverick schtick was born; in the few years of rehabilitation after Keating.

Whether he ever meant it, I don't know. Its clear now that either it was a facsade the whole time or he sold out after 2000 when he realized he could only win the brass ring as the establishment candidate (nothing demonstrates the power of the establishment like annointing a idiot rich kid with no verbal skills, scant accomplishments outside of public office and a lean record of six years as a weak governor).

In any event, he is what he is now: a Bush-likin' toady who will compromise every past stand for a chance to be their man. The media will let him coast for an awfully long time before he is called on it (if ever). They've invested a decade into the maverick storyline, it will die a harder death than Gore inventing the internet. A slight grilling on Meet the Press isn't going to do the trick. If a lot more follows, then maybe. But I wouldn't count on it.

Posted by: UofAZGrad on April 3, 2006 at 3:35 AM | PERMALINK

Excellent nuance, Drum.

He's just another conservative Republican politician.

Where'd you put your brain?

Posted by: Lettuce on April 3, 2006 at 3:57 AM | PERMALINK

Thanks for saying this, Kevin. It cannot be said too often:

McCain is just another conservative Republican politician.

Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on April 3, 2006 at 4:39 AM | PERMALINK

Didn't Kerry offer him Veep on the Dem side?

Posted by: McA on April 3, 2006 at 6:02 AM | PERMALINK

He was against the tax cut. Now, returning to tax rates before the tax cuts is a tax increase.

McCain, practicing safe and shielded, building bridges, adopting all the president's spin.

I liked him better when he was burning bridges.

Get on board the Snake Oil Express. Only nice guys allowed.

Posted by: lou on April 3, 2006 at 6:36 AM | PERMALINK

The Press will fellate McCain right past Hitlery. You can bank on it.

Posted by: Freedom Phukher on April 3, 2006 at 7:04 AM | PERMALINK

I was a McCain supporter in 2000. The speech he gave denouncing Falwell et al was a beautiful thing.

But he completely lost me when he supported Bush in 2004. After the way Bush slimed him in South Carolina, I just couldn't see forgiving that. And now, by embracing Falwell, he's completely lost me. Just another politician who will do or say anything to be elected.

Posted by: VOR on April 3, 2006 at 7:07 AM | PERMALINK

McCain just another Republican? Well, I guess Michael Jordan is just another basketball player.

Ideologically, sure he's just like any other Republican. He's well within the mainstream of the party(he voted against Ronald reagan only once in during that administration).

What sets him apart is his willingness to criticize his own party and his heresies on certain issues. Very similar to Joe Lieberman in that respect. He's also got more charisma than most politicians. He's easily the most popular Senator since JFK.

Posted by: Adam Herman on April 3, 2006 at 7:54 AM | PERMALINK

Prezzie McCain.

He's got the media. He's got the moderates. And unless Gulliani stands up, he's got the Bush supporters. Him and Condaleeza as VP.

He's a genuine war hero with none of that baggage Kerry had.

Can't wait until he answers the fake torture scandals by ripping off his shirt and flexing his scars.

Posted by: McA on April 3, 2006 at 8:07 AM | PERMALINK

I keep coming back to this, McCain is a long time member of the US Senate. As such he has duties that require he oversee a staff of what, 20-30 people. He doesn't have to make real executive decisions. He acts as part of a group. As such he is simply not qualified to be President of the United States. Same for Hilary. We should never, ever elect a Senator President. I know, all one hundred of them think they are Presidental material, but without executive experience, I don't think so. Neither do the American people. The last president straight out of the senate was Kennedy.

Posted by: Ron Byers on April 3, 2006 at 8:12 AM | PERMALINK

and while people drowned in new orleans, here's mr straight talk waiting with a cake for his prince.

Posted by: linda on April 3, 2006 at 8:52 AM | PERMALINK

After the way Bush slimed him in South Carolina, I just couldn't see forgiving that.

It's worse than that -- Rove's odious whispering campaign slimed McCain's adopted daughter. And yet he sucks up to the Bush-Rove machine. Truly, truly pathetic.

Now, cue rdw's loony postings on how "Big John" is the conservative darlings' Well, bring it on. I agree with Tilli at 4:39 AM. The electorate is showing signs of being sick of conservative Republican politicians, and McCain's efforts to woo Bush cultists like rdw simply must be a liability to the electorate at large.

Of course, all that depends on the non-fecklessness of the Democrats and a media that is not so much liberal but rather even remotely interested in doing its job, so I'm not exactly holding my breath.

Posted by: Gregory on April 3, 2006 at 8:55 AM | PERMALINK

$112,000 + Charles Keating.

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on April 3, 2006 at 8:55 AM | PERMALINK

For the other side of John McCain bashing, see Legal Fiction

For one, McCains principled fight against the White House on the torture issue seemed pretty impressive to me for a guy whos gearing up for a GOP primary. It passed overwhelmingly in the end, but it was still a risky political strategy in the GOP primary (which is telling in and of itself, but thats for another day). Second, the most liberal immigration bill in the Senate is called McCain-Kennedy and it is not exactly Steve Sailers favorite version. In fact, it seems like a pretty dumb political move to make in the middle of GOP primary jockeying (though I concede it might help with the country club donor wing though I dont think thats going to be his problem). That means McCain either has a tin ear or is doing what he thinks is right. Third, McCain has been solid in his opposition to Arctic drilling. Fourth, hes sponsored an unsuccessful effort to establish an independent ethics office for the Senate. And finally, hes been a consistent critic of pork-barrel earmarks and has sponsored legislation limiting them.

All of these efforts are opposed by the GOP leadership and the vast majority are opposed by the GOP base too.

Posted by: Daryl McCullough on April 3, 2006 at 9:02 AM | PERMALINK

McCain is not much more principled than most politicians. Evidence?
Keating 5,
the loud talk on torture - and then dead silence when the President signs the bill with a statement that he can ignore it whenever he wants,
The silence after one statement about the Swift Boaters,
Barack Obama whine session, etc.

But his "straight talk" monikor is a beautiful PR achievement. What an impressive way of framing his image, as Lakoff notes. And Democrats should note how good the GOP is at setting an image of their major leaders:
Bush = Plain Talk,
Cheney = Tough,
McCain = straight talk,
Guliani = hero, etc.

Building that theme is what politics is about. Because a lot of people get an impression and then sift through evidence to bolster that impression. It's very tough to change a reputation. But it can be done.

And we should note that the GOP has succeeded in one way on this: they have battered Clinton's long term image. Just attack relentlessly and it does pay off.

Posted by: Samuel Knight on April 3, 2006 at 9:35 AM | PERMALINK

My husband and I were laughing when we watched him on MTP. He was literally struggling for words to avoid criticizing Bush.

I once believed he was a breath of fresh air. No more.

Posted by: kimster on April 3, 2006 at 9:47 AM | PERMALINK

To me, the single most striking thing about the interview is that Russert got off his usual CW schtick regarding McCain, and did some serious probing and challenging.

And I simply can't believe that the huge volume of criticism he has received either in, or because of, the liberal blogosphere has not played a key role here.

So let's keep working those refs. There's no better, or even other, way to turn CW around.

Posted by: frankly0 on April 3, 2006 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

Egads there is hope for the liberal Democrats. Glad you're finally seeing what McCain really is.

Posted by: TruthPolitik on April 3, 2006 at 10:31 AM | PERMALINK

he's gotta deal with all the sleazy rumors that were started by the Bush campaign in '00. But why would the conservatard primary voters choose him when they've got the real deal in George Allen?--even more of a dumbass than George Bush, and he repeats all the wingnut talking points that they love. Then there's Frist.

moderates don't decide the Republican primaries--McCain isn't going anywhere.

Posted by: haha on April 3, 2006 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

I once believed he was a breath of fresh air. No more.

now it's more like the stench of hypocrisy.

Posted by: haha on April 3, 2006 at 11:01 AM | PERMALINK

I turned the channel on McCain (appearing for the umpteenth time) and Meet the Press Sunday after his "Everyone thought Saddam Hussein had WMD...Us, British intelligence , the French, Germany (et cetera)".

I mean, aren't there any likeable, honest Republican politicians out there?

Posted by: grape_crush on April 3, 2006 at 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

Well, sure McCain's a conservative. Only people fixated on the campaign finance reform issue ever doubted that.

What sets him apart from other nationally prominent politicians is his willingness to go off-message. When you hear Hillary Clinton, or Bill Frist, or George Allen, or Nancy Pelosi you know you are hearing phrases worked out in advance and delivered to you exactly as they are delivered to everyone else -- unless they are pandering to specific audiences without the media being present. McCain has always had a weakness for answering the questions he's asked: not always, but often.

This is why he's so popular with the press. McCain is a quote machine; he's an interesting interview. Bob Dole was the same way. Hillary Clinton and Bill Frist -- and indeed most of our most prominent politicians -- are so driven to stay on message that they will always say what they came to say regardless of what question they are asked. In this they are very similar to President Bush. The press in general has no affection for any of these people, partly because like anyone they dislike always being manipulated but also because they dislike being bored.

People like Kevin Drum, who are much more interested in campaign politics than in government, don't care so much about this. The fact is that staying on-message all the time is what works in American election campaigns. It is boring, and off-putting, but the people most turned off by on-message politicians tend not to vote. The ability to stay on-message is also no indication of how effective a politician can be once elected. Agree with him or not, McCain has been an effective legislator. Bill Frist has been a wretched failure as Senate Majority Leader; Hillary Clinton has done nothing.

But what counts to people preoccupied by the permanent campaign is the campaign, and only the campaign. That means that for Kevin, any Republican will be the enemy from now till 2008, while for Sean Hannity and that crowd every Democrat will be the enemy. These folks don't mind so much being bored, and if they care about government at all it's only in their spare time. The campaign is everything.

People can have their own opinions about McCain, but it's useful to know where some of his critics are coming from.

Posted by: Zathras on April 3, 2006 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

I was more impressed by Russert's performance and took it as evidence that McCain is definitely not the Republican establishment candidate for '08. The GOP establishment may not have picked a candidate yet, but Russert's willingingness to treat McCain almost like a Democrat suggests that McCain is not the guy.

Posted by: rk on April 3, 2006 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

The Dems just need to post that hug photo again and again...

Brokeback?

Running that hug photo would be a double-edged sword.

Yeah, McCain might get the gay vote. (I like the way McCain closes his eyes)

Posted by: ckelly on April 3, 2006 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

grape_crush: I mean, aren't there any likeable, honest Republican politicians out there?

Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX). Now he's a genuine straight-talking Repub. Of course, he's an outsider.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on April 3, 2006 at 11:19 AM | PERMALINK

Can't wait until he answers the fake torture scandals

Tough talk from a fuckin keyboardist McA.
Those dead prisoners were faking....that's it!

Posted by: ckelly on April 3, 2006 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

Democrats stopped loving John McCain after his vocal support of GW Bush and the Irap war during the 2004 elections.

Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on April 3, 2006 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

My God, I'd somehow missed the hug photo. It captures everything: McCain's whoredom, his desperate bid for Bush's approval, Bush's utter disdain for McCain.

Paste it across every screen and surface in the nation.

And I've been saying since early September that the close-up of him eating cake with Bush while NO drowned is manna from heaven. The Marie Antoinette captions write themselves.

Posted by: shortstop on April 3, 2006 at 11:27 AM | PERMALINK

McCain's moment was 2000, and he lost out to the boy king. By the 2008 election McCain will be 72, and he won't look much like an agent of change. He isn't going to get the nomination. The GOP will nominate a theocrat with a veneer of competence like Mitt Romney, I suspect.

Posted by: Mimikatz on April 3, 2006 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK

Just more evidence on how lazy or stupid (or both) the MSM is. Once a meme is established, they pound away at it inspite of any information to the contrary.

This also ties into Kevin's Jaded post over the weekend.

Posted by: Keith G on April 3, 2006 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

My God, I'd somehow missed the hug photo. It captures everything: McCain's whoredom, his desperate bid for Bush's approval, Bush's utter disdain for McCain.

It's true, Bush looks like he's thinking, "God, I have to hug this guy?"

And McCain looks like he just found his long lost puppy.

It really is sickening.

Posted by: Dr. Morpheus on April 3, 2006 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

6 years from now, the Democrats will have been cured of the BDS. Unfortunately, and I am extremely sad to say, MDS will start taking its toll on the hapless souls.

Posted by: tbrosz on April 3, 2006 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

So far you all missed his most unimpressive feature - HE'S A BORING SPEAKER. How can anyone get excited about McCain?

Posted by: Lamonte on April 3, 2006 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

He isn't going to get the nomination. The GOP will nominate a theocrat with a veneer of competence

The GOP will forever nominate the man who can most piously and pleasurably suck the cocks of big business.

Posted by: Boronx on April 3, 2006 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

Haha, I'm going to start referencing the "Irap" war.

If we're going to fuck it up, we might as well fuck up the name, too.

Posted by: eckersley on April 3, 2006 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

And while you are at Crooks and Liars, make sure to check out the "meet the press" video of General Zinni's forthright views of the incompetence and lies that led up to the war with Iraq.

Posted by: patrick on April 3, 2006 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

And also while you're at Crooks and Liars, check out the prediction--which came true--that the rest of Katherine Harris' core campaign team would quit over the weekend.

I just don't understand it. On Thursday or Friday, campaign whiz kid daveyo was assuring all of us here that Katherine's campaign was going swimmingly.

Posted by: shortstop on April 3, 2006 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

The GOP will forever nominate the man who can most piously and pleasurably suck the cocks of big business.

Startlingly put but shockingly accurate.

Posted by: shortstop on April 3, 2006 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

the more you look at the hug photo, the more creepy it looks. the eweee factor increases if you think about what you are looking at.

and to think that one of the men is the current President and the other a credible contender. disgusting.

Posted by: lib on April 3, 2006 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

McCain if he were smart would have set himself up as the Ross Perot of 2008 - break with Bush, break with right-wing orthodoxy, and go with his perceived strength (independence). He would have been formidable.

Posted by: hopeless pedant on April 3, 2006 at 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

"McCain if he were smart would have set himself up as the Ross Perot of 2008 - break with Bush, break with right-wing orthodoxy, and go with his perceived strength (independence)."

Yes, but McCain didn't, he jumped right into bed with Bush, and as far as I'm concerned the two look alike. I've lost it for McCain and I sent him a letter expressing my disappointment with his decision to grab his ankles for Bush and the Republican party machine.
May they all rot in their well deserved hell.

Posted by: sheerahkahn on April 3, 2006 at 1:04 PM | PERMALINK

"The fact is that staying on-message all the time is what works in American election campaigns. It is boring, and off-putting, but the people most turned off by on-message politicians tend not to vote."

I concur with your point, Zathras, but I would say that those most off-put by politicians, who won't get off of talking points, are those that couldn't boycott an election to save their lives.

Those that don't vote don't pay as much attention or care as much as those who follow politics a great deal, but just hate how politics work all the same.

Posted by: Dismayed Liberal on April 3, 2006 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

McCain? Oh, man. I agree completely with Kevin. The man is a total whore. The media fascination with him just shows how shallow they are. I really hope he gets the Repub nomination. Any decent Democratassuming there is oneshould make mincemeat of this clown.

Don't hold your breath. They gave Bush a complete pass prior to the 2000 election.

Does anyone really think the Repubs would be stupid enough to really nominate him? Posted by: Nixon Did It

Of course they could. They nominated Bush didn't they?

Posted by: Jeff II on April 3, 2006 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

The GOP will nominate a theocrat with a veneer of competence like Mitt Romney, I suspect.

Brownback. Too many of the Talibornagain wing of the party won't swallow a Mormon. They will -- noses firmly held -- take a reactionary Catholic.

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on April 3, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

Talibornagain

Hee!

Posted by: shortstop on April 3, 2006 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

I have to apply my sympathy to the grunts that lived in the jungle prisions and some of their remains will never be found . a big majority of these grunts were not volunteers like the people who were educated by the government and required to serve in the military to pay back for the education. there was once a FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION--- is that what we have created ?
an AMERICAN FOREIGN LEGION ?

Posted by: NO SYMPATHY FOR PILOTS on April 3, 2006 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

I sincerely hope you all are right and that McCain is in fact a conservative. From my perspective, though, that doesn't seem to be the case. Conservatives care a lot about three issues: national security, taxes and the courts. McCain is conservative only on one of them, national security. On taxes, he's a tax raiser. On the courts, he's a compromiser (can you imagine him nominating Roberts or Alito)? On the first amendment, he's practically a Stalinist, perfectly willing to suppress political speech to protect incumbents and the power of the MSM to set the agenda.

Still, we live in a world of second bests and McCain may just be that. Unhappily, his Democratic rivals aren't even third bests at this point.

Posted by: DBL on April 3, 2006 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

"To me, the single most striking thing about the interview is that Russert got off his usual CW schtick regarding McCain, and did some serious probing and challenging."

I agree. I was astounded that Russert went after the former media darling, McCain. And I thought McCain's last, bitter, "joke" about the second worst interrogation he'd ever had, or something like that, was pure bitchy McCain, just like his sneering letter to Barack Obama.

This guy may have survived the North Vietnamese, but I think he'll blow his stack in a long campaign at some point, and the McCain scream will not be an enthusiastic one, like Dean's was.

As for other contenders, we can only HOPE the Republican'ts nominate George Allen. He makes Bush look both smart and articulate, and that's hard to do. During his interview with George S. on ABC, within a few minutes my Mate & I were chanting "Secure the Borders" right along with the esteemed Senator. Talk about Johnny One-Note. What a tool...

Posted by: Cal Gal on April 3, 2006 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

"Too many of the Talibornagain wing of the party won't swallow a Mormon" Davis X. Machina

This is the truest statement made on this thread. As a diehard Democrat and a devout Mormon (I know some folks think they can't be one and the same) I keep trying to tell my more conservative fellow church members that the hard right wing has been using them for years.

Posted by: Lamonte on April 3, 2006 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

First, the person who referred to Hillary...stop being such an ass.

For all you hyper opinionated Hillary haters out there...will you refer to polling done in jan 05 that had any dem having a double-double diget problem aginst any given repub in 08 because of `security issues'. This is our problem as Dems - not a charachter issue for the Senator from NY. If she did everything you people wanted - it wouldnt of saved one life - or brought one soldier home early. She (and he) are thinking strategically...jeeze, there is only one overwhelming rule to electoral politics...and that is - WIN. Get it?

Jeeze, just like the journalists on the cables...it seems that the liberal web is just chock full of self declared experts on politics and mindreaders of all sorts.

It wasnt just the MSM war on Gore that gave us Bush...it was the high huff of these amateur puritans who gave us Bradley and Nader. Bradley called Gore a liar in NH, which gave the GOP a free road to make that an issue. (Any Bradley-ites wanna say they are sorry for that now?) Michael Moore, who is now Mr. pure progressive, and his peeps, said that there wasnt any diff between the two candidates and look where that stupid f-ing opinion got us.

I am sooooo sick of you loud mouth amateurs giving away the store. Ive been doing campaigns since I was a child - 30 years this cycle - get a clue! The republican WILL give McCain the nomination....because he is their best chance for victory....Have you no eyes to see this? They didnt pick Bush Jr. back in 2000 because he was their best - he was just quite easy to rally around...and they whacked McCain, because he wouldnt give in when they wanted him to ...they will do this again, but this time with the repenatant McCain not only to ensure a steady playbook in Iraq butmostly in order to retain the WH (which is EVERYTHING)....

If you idiots who say they `Hate' Hillary and say she has done `Nothing'...or call her `Hitlery' had any sense (which eh...you obviously dont)...you would be doing everything you could to keep other candidates from damaging her because if she runs (which is far from a given no matter what the CW is)....she and we will need every vote...and by demonizing her from the left - you are about to guarantee another 4 years of GOP rule over this planet.

I tried telling you guys this back in 2000 - but none of you would listen ...and since then, Ive heard very few take any responsibility for what their short sighted idiocy has wrought.

Im sorry if this sounds mean - but if I could reach thru the wires of the net and grab that sob who compared Hillary to Hitler Id of smacked him more than once upside the head and then would of had no need to send a screed to Kevin's site here...

But I would of felt bad about it later....

Timothy Howe

ps McCain is not a whore, hes actually a quite nice and funny man who sacrificed a major slice of his life for his country. I dont at all agree with just about any of his politics - but that doesnt mean that I cant respect him. I will attack Junior as hard as any of yous- (Ive never been able to swallow a National Guard War Monger) but if that line of reckless left talk starts around McCain....get ready to say goodbye to not just the WH...but any credibility youve ever built up....because regular folks - people without an agenda - have and can instictively tell that John MCain is not a bad man. All you have to do is watch him walk and see how his arms are still stiffened from the torture he took in Nam. It didnt make him mean...or bitter...(he IS the funniest guy in the Senate, bar none)... He, like Hillary, deserves better from you people. He took it, he sacrificied, he deserves his right to his opinions. Even if they are different from mine or from yours.

pss And before you start assuming that Im such squishmy moderate...I was raised in a catholic worker Dorothy Day home and was raised to challenge power ...I believe to this day that the only person to the left of my mother was Jesus himself..and I try to follow the example that she left me.

Posted by: timl on April 3, 2006 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

Cogent and lucid, Krugman's Op-Ed in the NYT today says it all.

Posted by: jdfeminist on April 3, 2006 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINK

Too many of the Talibornagain wing of the party won't swallow a Mormon" Davis X. Machina

Probably true. It's Christians only need apply at the GOP these days.

Posted by: Stefan on April 3, 2006 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK

Just a note to Stefan. Mormons ARE Christians in every sense of the word.

Posted by: Lamonte on April 3, 2006 at 10:24 PM | PERMALINK

"Just a note to Stefan. Mormons ARE Christians in every sense of the word."

I'd say only in universal belief that their particular brand of "Christians" has all the answers and are the only ones God is going to let into Paradise!

Posted by: AluminumKen on April 4, 2006 at 12:27 PM | PERMALINK

This article is very much dashing. It reveals a good approach.

Posted by: Grover on April 5, 2006 at 3:56 AM | PERMALINK

Another photo to consider is a screen shot from video taken on Air Force One toward the end of the 2004 campaign. Standing in an aisle, Bush is casually speaking to press with his arm around a silent McCain who looks like he's getting an anal probe. I guess he was taken by surprise, but what did he think he was there for?

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