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April 4, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

TOM DELAY: MARTYR?....In an effort to buck up Tom DeLay's spirits last week, Christian Right leader Rick Scarborough assured DeLay that he was nothing less than a martyr to the conservative cause. "God always does his best work right after a crucifixion," he said, and DeLay himself seems to agree. Last year he told the Family Research Council that attacks on him were actually "a huge, nationwide, concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in."

Question: Is this going to work? Now that he's officially announced his crucifixion retirement, will DeLay's erstwhile allies in Congress stand by him as a symbol of right wing martyrdom or will they drop him like a hot potato? I vote for the potato.

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The first thought that crossed my mind after hearing the news: "DeLay the Redeemer."

Then I realized that was much too fucked up to say out loud.

Posted by: Waveflux on April 4, 2006 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

If a potato had been running Congress, we'd all be better off now.

Posted by: craigie on April 4, 2006 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

Er, isn't that blasphemy, to compare a corrupt political leader to Jesus?

Posted by: John on April 4, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

All the Dems have to do to take back both houses is rein in the left wing crazies that scare the Middle Class Suburban families who vote republican because they are afraid of Democrats.

WHY?

HOmosexual activists in school and media. Latino Immigration. What they see as a godless nihilism replacing 'the good ole days'.

NOW - if DEMS can control their excesses - they can take back the country. I know because I am one of those kneejerk GOP voters -- I LOATH the boy king.... I call him the napoleonic smurf.

Bush is hated hated hated for what he's done to the budget, the world, and the constitution.

All the dems have to do is rein in the scary sectors of their party... and they have a good shot at taking back both houses.

Posted by: sarah on April 4, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

Boiled.

But I'm with Josh. I want to know who voted for the Delay Rule since so many memories seem to be faded.

Posted by: ELR on April 4, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, I vote potato(e).

I have a question tho. I'm certainly not a churchgoer, but doesn't Scarborough's use of "crucifixion" in this context seem...tasteless, at best? I mean doesn't it diminish the experience of Christ to attach it to a political scandal, even if you believe in the politician in question. Are Christians really not put off by this kind of language?

Posted by: URK on April 4, 2006 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

"a huge, nationwide, concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in."

Ah, welcome to the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy!

Posted by: craigie on April 4, 2006 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

So, the trinity is Rove, Bush and the Holy Delay?

Posted by: peBird on April 4, 2006 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

sarah -

Can you name any scary lefty extremists who actually hold elected office?

I suspect you'll find that these bogie men of yours mainly exist in your head, not in real life.

Posted by: craigie on April 4, 2006 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

Er, isn't that blasphemy, to compare a corrupt political leader to Jesus?

maybe it's just one of those "Lying for Jesus" things. it's OK if the end is worthy.

or maybe it's one of those "Lord's name in vain" things, too.

nah, that couldn't be it.

Posted by: cleek on April 4, 2006 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

Delay is right. Criminality and corruption are the only things "they" -- Delay and his ilk -- believe in., and there is "a huge, nationwide, concerted effort to destroy" them.


Posted by: cmdicely on April 4, 2006 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

Potato, with bacon bits and sour cream.

Yum.

Posted by: Gladys Nightspurt on April 4, 2006 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

Potato.

As soon as the real reason for his "retirement" becomes public, Republicans will point to last night and claim the problem's already taken care of, it's old news, and continuing to harp on it is simply further proof of liberal bias. One year ago, I would have given that strategy a 99% chance of success. But things finally seem to be breaking our way. In the spirit of optimism, I'll go 85%.

Posted by: jacob on April 4, 2006 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK

Can you name any scary lefty extremists who actually hold elected office?

Yes, I'd be interested to see that list, too. Because I've got a list of wild-eyed scary right-wing extremists who hold elective office, serve in high positions in the federal government, and host major cable and radio talk shows to compare against it....

Posted by: Stefan on April 4, 2006 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

I don't have much sympathy for poor, pitiful overdogs.

Posted by: natural cynic on April 4, 2006 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

potato

I'm guessing part of the arrangment was that Delay got to pick his successor.

It's clever how they bypassed a primary election. I guess you can't leave something this important to the voters.

Posted by: Joe on April 4, 2006 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

craigie Barnie Frank

A massachusetts congressman who ran a homosexual call service out of the cloak room?

Posted by: sarah on April 4, 2006 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

Potato.

Tom Delay is the Richard Nixon of our political times.

Posted by: Jon Karak on April 4, 2006 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

LOok - if you guys want your kids indoctrinated into the Brokeback way of living from the first grade -- you will continue to scare the Middle Class moms into the arms of the GOP

WE DONT WANT OUR KIDS EXPOSED TO THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA>

Posted by: sarah on April 4, 2006 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

To be blunt Sarah, I'd sooner remain in the minority than do what it takes to appeal to homophobic and xenophobic tendencies. It democrats do what you ask for to win win your vote, what's the point of being a democrat? Winning the majority is a means to an end. Not an end in and of itself.

Posted by: jacob on April 4, 2006 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

A resignation does not a martyr make. He's probably resigning because he figures he's less likely to be frog marched off in handcuffs in his home state of Texas than in D.C. Probably figures his gun nut friends will protect him there.

Posted by: tripoley on April 4, 2006 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

All the Dems have to do to take back both houses is rein in the left wing crazies that scare the Middle Class Suburban families who vote republican because they are afraid of Democrats.

Yeah, we have to rein in our left-wing crazies like Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Pat "The Assasin" Robertson, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, Ralph Reed, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Michael "Weiner" Savage, Michelle "Concentration Camp" Malkin, Ann Coulter, Tom DeLay, Bill Frist, Tom Coburn, Dana Rohrabacher, Howard "Photoshop" Kaloogian, John Ashcroft, Fred Phelps, Laura Ingraham, Scarborough, Antonin Scalia, Abu Gonzalez, John Yoo, the Swift Boat Liars, Jonah Goldberg, Peggy Noonan, Box Turtle Ben Domenech, Red State, Free Republic....

Oh, wait. Those are the right-wing crazies, aren't they? So tell me, how good a job does the Republican Party do at reining these people in? Or is it only the Democrats you expect to do this?

Posted by: Stefan on April 4, 2006 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINK

Jesus distinguished between what gets rendered unto Caesar and what gets rendered unto God.

Unto God Tom DeLay can render his soul and pray for redemption.

Unto Caesar he can render back taxes, penalties and 6-10 years at Allentown.

After that, if he still thinks he's been crucified, he can try rising from the dead along with Buckham, Rudy, Cunningham, Safavian, Scanlon, Ney . . .

That would be quite an Easter!

Posted by: pj_in_jesusland on April 4, 2006 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINK


Sarah:

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

That's Shakespeare for Are you gay?

Posted by: 6 on April 4, 2006 at 2:10 PM | PERMALINK

But I'm with Josh. I want to know who voted for the DeLay Rule since so many memories seem to be faded.

Republicans.

Posted by: David W. on April 4, 2006 at 2:11 PM | PERMALINK

Before we all jump on Sarah, although her statements do sadden me (homosexual agitators?), we might want to thank her for laying bare one GOP strategy.

And that's the GOP's constant attempt to tag Democrats with comments from whatever some person who's not even vaguely connected to the donkey party. It's consistent. Over and over again they rail about some bogeyman.

Firing back at those bogeyman - and exposing the cruel manipulation involved is an excellent strategy.

What if Kerry had counterattacked against the Swift boaters by immediately discussing how those guys were connected to Texas GOP operatives?

Posted by: Samuel Knight on April 4, 2006 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Y'all, ignore Sarah. It's that same sock puppet with the anti-gay, anti-Jewish crap every time: Arsenia, Karen Ladik, Ashley, TJ...I forget all his/her/its incarnations. Don't fall for it.

I have a question tho. I'm certainly not a churchgoer, but doesn't Scarborough's use of "crucifixion" in this context seem...tasteless, at best? I mean doesn't it diminish the experience of Christ to attach it to a political scandal, even if you believe in the politician in question. Are Christians really not put off by this kind of language?

Truly, I think this sort of think would have appalled them 10 or 15 years ago. Now, they're so far gone in their wild-eyed persecution complex that they lap this stuff up like ice cream.

Posted by: shortstop on April 4, 2006 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

Don't we need to wait three days to see if he rises from the dead or something?;>

Posted by: Martin on April 4, 2006 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

Sarah: WE DONT WANT OUR KIDS EXPOSED TO THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA

Sarah, human sexuality isn't really a choice. What exactly do you mean by "homosexual agenda"?

If you had a son/daughter/relative/friend who was gay wouldn't you want them to have the same rights and protections that the rest of us have?

Posted by: tripoley on April 4, 2006 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

Don't we need to wait three days to see if he rises from the dead or something?;>

A capital plan. Spray him hard with DDT and see if he gets up again.

Posted by: shortstop on April 4, 2006 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

I don't believe "Sarah" is a real person.

Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on April 4, 2006 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

WE DONT WANT OUR KIDS EXPOSED TO THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA>

Then stop having gay sex in front of them. Is that so hard to do?

Posted by: Stefan on April 4, 2006 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

Not so fast, folks. Ohio's John Boehner, who replaced DeLay as Minority Leader, is on board as a booster. In fact, he said this just today:

"The country owes Tom a great debt of gratitude for helping lead America in a new direction a direction outlined in the Contract with America that saw balanced budgets, historic welfare reforms, lower taxes, regulatory relief, and a renewed respect for the sanctity of life.

He has served our nation with integrity and honor, and Im honored to call him my colleague and friend."

Posted by: Matt Sandwich on April 4, 2006 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

Speaking of rising from the dead: "Contract with America". Newt. Oh, please.

Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on April 4, 2006 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

craigie Barnie Frank. A massachusetts congressman who ran a homosexual call service out of the cloak room?

Sarah, Karl Rove and Jeff Gannon nee Guckert. George W. Bush's top advisor who ran a gay prostitute out of the White House press room and arranged frequent overnight White House "visits."

Posted by: Stefan on April 4, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

When was the last time any Republican of prominence mentioned Terry Schiavo? You have your answer.

By the time November rolls around, Republicans will deny that Delay ever existed.

Posted by: SavageView on April 4, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

Potato

Baked with butter & bacon

Yum !!!

Make that list Sarah

"...you cannot save your face and your ass at the same time..." - vachon@shadrach.net

Posted by: daCascadian on April 4, 2006 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

Martyr, right. And now begins his descent into lobbyist hell. I'm sure that was another practical reason why he's officially changing his residence to Va. You really think he was going back to the roach business in shithole Houston?

Posted by: Ringo on April 4, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

Point is, Tom Delay of Sugarland and Rick Scarborough of Pearland, Texas have nothing to do with some kind of modern conservative cause. They are anti-modern Dixiecrats and their issues (and corrupt politics) have not changed in 100 years, the important points have not changed in 200 years. Their new cause, just like the old cause, is to Dixie-up the whole of the United States and/or make money while doing it. Their political and cultural bloodline runs down through segregation and Jim Crow, to small town land-holding confederate anti-federalism (when they arent in the drivers seat). They just call it Christianity or Values to give it a broader appeal. Really it is just same issues, same characters, different century.

Posted by: bellumregio on April 4, 2006 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

If you take a potato, and nail it to a cross, then bake for an hour, it makes a fabulous snack!

shorty: Y'all, ignore Sarah.

Shouldn't that be "Ya'll"?

Posted by: craigie on April 4, 2006 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

Any possibility Ronny can request that Delay stays in Texas till November or so.

Posted by: toast on April 4, 2006 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

Whoa, Karen Ladik is back, with a new name. Perhaps she'll bring Arsenia with her?

Posted by: MJ Memphis on April 4, 2006 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

They'll have mashed potato all over 'em.

Posted by: jerry on April 4, 2006 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

Ah, shortstop has it covered. Good catch. :)

Posted by: MJ Memphis on April 4, 2006 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

Last year he told the Family Research Council last year that attacks on him were actually "a huge, nationwide, concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in."

I've never felt so proud!

Posted by: SED on April 4, 2006 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

As bleeding-heart liberals, we really don't need an actual crucifixion. A public stoning would be sufficient.

Posted by: Alf on April 4, 2006 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

"shorty: Y'all, ignore Sarah.

Shouldn't that be "Ya'll"?"

Craigie-it's definitely y'all. You're contracting "you all" and the apostrophe goes where the missing letters were. Unless your addresing Al in his multiple perosnalities (fake, raeal fake, fake fake, etc.) in which case it's y'Al.

Posted by: URK on April 4, 2006 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

All the dems have to do is rein in the scary sectors of their party... and they have a good shot at taking back both houses. Posted by: sarah

Ditto what craigie and Stefan asked. I would think that most posters here would say that the real problem is that there are very few actual Democrats left in the House or Senate, and no liberals at all.

Posted by: Jeff II on April 4, 2006 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

"As bleeding-heart liberals, we really don't need an actual crucifixion. A public stoning would be sufficient."

As a quasi-libertarian, I think the method of execution should be determined by what will garner the highest revenues when shown on Pay Per View.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on April 4, 2006 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

Yes it does indeed sound like that "vast left wing conspiracy". The difference here is now the R's are going to hold yet another seat. I have been amazed with this story that not one d has come out and declared they would take back congress in 2006 do you think that they might be chic.... ?

Posted by: mycampaign on April 4, 2006 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

. . . . doesn't Scarborough's use of "crucifixion" in this context seem...tasteless, at best?

Are you saying that being called names and then being indicted for corruption, followed by retiring into the bosom of one's family in late middle age and proceeding to earn big bucks as a lobbyist, GOP fundraiser and public speaker is not like being flogged and nailed to a cross, to hang there until death? How curious. I can't see any difference. Please explain how they're not the same.

Posted by: cowalker on April 4, 2006 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

Please explain how they're not the same.

Well, one had a hit movie made about it, and the other didn't. Otherwise, point taken.

Posted by: craigie on April 4, 2006 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

"My party, my party, why has thou forsaken me?"

craigie: Listen to URK. Serves you right, sassy boy.

Posted by: shortstop on April 4, 2006 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

WE DONT WANT OUR KIDS EXPOSED TO THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA

better move yourself to a country where gays are legally banned, and punished by prison or worse. i think there are a bunch of countries like that, over there, on top of all that oil.

bon voyage.

Posted by: cleek on April 4, 2006 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

Does this mean we can start nailing him to a cross? A real one rather than the metaphorical one he's been shouldering for the last ten years?

Posted by: TomStewart on April 4, 2006 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

From Kevin's WaPo link:

"I believe the most damaging thing that Tom DeLay has done in his life is take his faith seriously into public office, which made him a target for all those who despise the cause of Christ," Scarborough said, introducing DeLay yesterday.

Hypocritical hyperbole we've come to expect from Repub noisemakers who distort the truth for their own partisan agenda.

Jesus threw the money-changers out of the temple. DeLay and those who fall into corruption would have gotten the heave-ho, too. Scarborough must have missed that Scripture.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on April 4, 2006 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

BTW, does anyone have a copy of the Homosexual Agenda? I think I missed the meeting of the Ungodly Heathens when it was passed out.

I told my dope-smoking atheist friends to pick up my homework, but you know how unreliable thay are...

Posted by: TomStewart on April 4, 2006 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum wrote:

DeLay's erstwhile allies in Congress stand by him as a symbol of right wing martyrdom or will they drop him like a hot potato?

Victim or hot potato? Either way, it smells like a possible wedge issue for the next election cycle...Ask politicians a simple question: Do you believe that Tom DeLay is being persecuted for his religious beliefs or prosecuted for bribery and money laundering? Get 'em on the record...

...It's a simple choice, really...Pander to religious extremists or support the law. Which one will the 'publican party pick?

Matt Sandwich on April 4, 2006 at 2:17 PM:

Ohio's John Boehner, who replaced DeLay as Minority Leader, is on board as a booster...."He has served our nation with integrity and honor."

Guess we know one 'publican who wants that right-wing extremist funding and voter turnout...

Just like associating with Dubya is becoming political poison, so should any association with DeLay.

Posted by: grape_crush on April 4, 2006 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

Posted by: sarah on April 4, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

"Good ole' days"? Segregation and lynching? Intolerance?

Sure people say "damn" and "ass" on TV these days. But lynchings are extremely rare and I'd rather not go back on that. Women are not treated as second class citizens and I would rather my daughter grow up these days, where she has a better chance, then the "good ole' days". If it were the good ole' days, I'd probably have to drink from a different fountain still. To hell with that.

BTW, growing up Pentecostal and having friends who are ordained ministers I can emphatically say that gay-baiting isn't going to last much longer.

If DeLay really represents the Christian Right, then I predict that the influence of the Christian right will soon be diminishing.

Posted by: gq on April 4, 2006 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

BTW, does anyone have a copy of the Homosexual Agenda?

Yeah, and while you're at it, pass me a copy of the Official Handbook of the Despisers of the Cause of Christ. Where are all these active despisers? Call me oblivious, but I thought 99 percent of us non-Christians just want to be left the hell alone (insert Dante joke here).

Posted by: shortstop on April 4, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

WE DONT WANT OUR KIDS EXPOSED TO THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA

Well, what is the Gay Agenda of which you speak?
I'm a gay guy, and my agenda is to raise my kids (got two of my own, and a foster kid), run my business (in a small southern town), worship as I please (sing bass in the church choir), and love my man (who's a construction engineer)privately, without interference, and be a productive and positive member of my community.
In short, it's like everyone else's agenda. Why is that so hard for folks to accept? I'll keep the love out of the street and not scare the horses. My kids seem to be turning into heterosexuals on schedule, and their friends wish I was their father, 'cause most of them are from fatherless homes...If you think I should be killed, or discriminated against because I have sex with another man, You Have a Fight On Your Hands.

Posted by: Mr. Bill on April 4, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

If a potato had been running Congress, we'd all be better off now.
Posted by: craigie

That's hilarious. Goes for President too. And Veep. And SecDef... I see a trend.

Er, isn't that blasphemy, to compare a corrupt political leader to Jesus?

You would think. But not in that crazy world where wingnuts and the religious right reside. Delay a pious man? More the antichrist.

Posted by: ckelly on April 4, 2006 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

"If DeLay really represents the Christian Right, then I predict that the influence of the Christian right will soon be diminishing. "
gg no worry there, Rep Delay does not represent the Christian Right. What he has done in fact was step aside so that we can keep yet another r seat. Finally if you have been charting the rights diminishing numbers turn your chart up side down, because we have never in history had as many seats in congress senate, state houses, etc. Honestly it is trully happy days. Delay is todays story but when you wake up tomorrow you will still see the r's in firm control.

Posted by: daveyo on April 4, 2006 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

Delay a pious man?

The problem is simply the changing vision of middle age. Going too long between ophthalmology appointments, DeLay saw the voters calling him pious and thought it said "piss on us."

Posted by: shortstop on April 4, 2006 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK

My kids seem to be turning into heterosexuals on schedule,

Don't you mean they're becoming heterosexuals "on agenda"?

Posted by: craigie on April 4, 2006 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

By the way, ya'll, speaking of Tom Potatoe, this link made me laugh in a sardonic, "yeah, right" sort of way.

Posted by: craigie on April 4, 2006 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

He has served our nation with integrity and honor, and Im honored to call him my colleague and friend."

Has Boehner not been keeping up? We'll see how long his allegiance lasts.

Posted by: ckelly on April 4, 2006 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum
"I vote for the potato."

I bet you did in the last election too. :)

All I want to say is that I want to see this congressional in-fighting stop. They are embarrasing and I don't get embarrassed very easily. These people are supposed to be dignified individuals. I've seen more dignity, self-control and discipline in my wifes 3yr old pre-school class. I've said it a million times, once more won't hurt. POLITICS IS THE PROBLEM. Yeah Tom Delay is gone. Big deal. Now how does that feed the hungry, create jobs, teach skills, find alternate sources of fuel, assure our countrys' security or anything else usefull for that matter?
Nothing (Period)
Nothing but childish political bull shit and a waste of our time and tax dollars. But...That pretty much describes congress in a nut shell.
They need to start working together to help create solutions to our countrys' issues. Then and only then will our congress amount to anything worth having.

Posted by: Lurker42 on April 4, 2006 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

The country owes Tom a great debt of gratitude for helping lead America in a new direction

You know. When I close my eyes and take my hands off the steering wheel, my car helps lead me in a new direction too.

Posted by: ckelly on April 4, 2006 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

Sarah wrote, "Barnie Frank[,] A massachusetts congressman who ran a homosexual call service out of the cloak room?"

Massachusettes congressman, correct. The rest is incorrect. Barney Frank's personal household employee Steve Gobie, who was not on the federal payroll, ran a call service out of Barney Frank's apartment, not out of the cloak room or any other federal property. Barney Frank didn't know about it while it was occurring, and he kicked Gobie out when he learned what was going on.

Having an employee who committed a crime is not a scandal. However, there was a very minor related scandal. Frank had used his office to "fix" a number of Gobie's parking tickets. For this offense, and not for any prostititution or call service, the House of Representatives reprimanded Barney Frank in 1990.

Posted by: Joel Rubinstein on April 4, 2006 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

Rep Delay does not represent the Christian Right.

Who WAS that man speaking at Justice Sunday?

Let the revisionism begin.

Posted by: ckelly on April 4, 2006 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

The question is how is the supposed liberal MSM going to portray this?
More and more people who worked for DeLay continue to be indicted, DeLay resigns. One would suppose because his lawyers have told him what is coming. He isn't a martyr, he is probably a criminal. Democrats need to hammer on that point over & over again and not get thrown off. Ignore whatever talking points the RNC is going to throw out there to confuse the issue and focus on the facts of the case. Stick it to them and don't stop.

Posted by: Nathan on April 4, 2006 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

I agree with Frequency!

Posted by: Freedom Fighter on April 4, 2006 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

Lurker42 on April 4, 2006 at 3:16 PM:

They need to start working together to help create solutions to our countrys' issues.

How quickly they forget the nuke-u-lar option...'Publicans don't do 'working together' when they have the majority, silly man...

Posted by: grape_crush on April 4, 2006 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

Frequency nailed it!

Posted by: ckelly on April 4, 2006 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

Last year he told the Family Research Council last year that attacks on him were actually "a huge, nationwide, concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in."

Which is it? Are we just a fringe group of weirdos out of touch with the mainstream? Or are we a huge nationwide concerted effort. I'd really like to know.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on April 4, 2006 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

I am a real person and I'll name several wild-eyed leftists who hold positions in government and some who hold prominent places in either the leadership of the democratic party, or powerful organizations who support it.

Ted Kennedy
Howard Dean
Joe Biden
Ruth Ginsburg
Stephen Breyer
...
I could go on and on if pushed.

I know you will say these people are not leftists, well there far enough left to scare me.

Posted by: John Hansen on April 4, 2006 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

John Hansen: I could go on and on if pushed.

Sweet thing, the only push you'll get from us is toward the door. Don't let it hit you in the keister.

Posted by: shortstop on April 4, 2006 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

ckelly Well do not worry the mighty religous right army has been on the march (now claiming 80% of all counties in America) so believe me one foot soldier removed will not slow this steam roller that has taken over.

Posted by: daveyo on April 4, 2006 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

Those darned homosexual-agenda-promoting liberal elitist phairasees, with their Roman propaganda machine.

Why oh why did they launch their politically motivated attack to crucify Jesus?

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on April 4, 2006 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

Mr. Bill on April 4, 2006 at 3:05 PM

I know a few lesbian couples with kids, one lady I worked with, and they have reared intelligent, well-adjusted, and ironically heterosexual kids, which rebuts the "gay agenda" fearmongers. Homophobia about gay adoption and the alleged "gay agenda" is wingnutty. I support your right to have kids, Mr. Bill, and get married if you so desire regardless of the evidence that Dem politicians have been mostly lukewarm on the subject.

Posted by: Apollo 13 on April 4, 2006 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

"well there far enough left to scare me."

Based on what policies that they've implimented?

Freaking Biden? Are you kidding me?

Posted by: eckersley on April 4, 2006 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

I could go on and on if pushed.

We push. We push.


Oops, sorry Sarah. Didn't mean to inadvertantly advance the HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA there.

Posted by: lzzo on April 4, 2006 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

John: "Er, isn't that blasphemy, to compare a corrupt political leader to Jesus?"

Well, not for those who think they live in the "New Jerusalem." I'm convinced that these people see themselves as the "New Christians," blessed by God to redeem the mission fumbled by all those loser "Old Christians" who preceded them over the past 2000 years. Heck, they may even believe DeLay is the true Messiah since the followers of the previous one weren't able to implement His Divine Kingdom, even with the help of the Almighty. But, after all is said and done, these people just make up another modern and misguided religious cult.

Posted by: Taobhan on April 4, 2006 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, Delay and friends talk a big game about how he's about to be crucified, but I'm telling you, it's all empty promises.

Posted by: frankly0 on April 4, 2006 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

Anybody who says that Biden scares them because of his liberal attitude should go live in a truly conservative place...saudi arabia springs to mind. If you want to vote Republican, that's your choice. But to tell Democrats they need to become Republican in order to get your vote is just plain dumb.

Posted by: KW on April 4, 2006 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

John Hansen on April 4, 2006 at 3:34 PM:

I know you will say these people are not leftists, well there far enough left to scare me.

Don't get out much, John? Those fairytales you've been listening to on Limbaugh and Fox News must give you such bad nightmares...Don't worry, little John...Hannity's uber-hair will come to rescue you...And you can hide all safe and snug in O'Reilly's turkey-waddle...

Shorter John Hansen: Ooh! Those scary liberals made me muss my trousers again!

Posted by: grape_crush on April 4, 2006 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK

I agree with Frequency!

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on April 4, 2006 at 3:53 PM | PERMALINK

ckelly Well do not worry the mighty religous right army has been on the march (now claiming 80% of all counties in America) so believe me one foot soldier removed will not slow this steam roller that has taken over. Posted by: daveyo

That's pretty entertaining stuff.

"Claiming 80% of all counties in America," huh? I doubt you'd even get 80% of all counties in the Bible Belt. Statistically, as most Americans don't live in the Bible Belt, you look an awful lot like an "Army of one."

Most Americans aren't really Christian, and fewer than 50% attend weekly religious services of any kind.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_rate.htm
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=237
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/go_church.htm
http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/csrpl/RIN%20Vol.1No.2/Church_lies_polling.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/church_poll020301.html
http://www.christiantoday.com/news/church/church.attendance.in.the.us.stagnated/36.htm

Posted by: Jeff II on April 4, 2006 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

daveyo on April 4, 2006 at 3:39 PM:

the mighty religous right army has been on the march (now claiming 80% of all counties in America) so believe me one foot soldier removed will not slow this steam roller that has taken over.

So I guess that "a huge, nationwide, concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in" quote was a lie? Coming from DeLay, it's not suprising...Hmmm...Wonder how many other right-wing religious extremists are telling the same lie?

And how do they reconcile the tenets of their professed faith with their own lying?

Posted by: grape_crush on April 4, 2006 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

I know a few lesbian couples with kids, one lady I worked with, and they have reared intelligent, well-adjusted, and ironically heterosexual kids, which rebuts the "gay agenda" fearmongers. Posted by: Apollo 13

Nothing ironic about it at all as sexual orientation is "hardwired." No one is made to be or chooses to be homosexual, unlike choosing to or raising someone to be to be a hateful, narrow-minded conservative. Here the nature vs. nuture divide is easily identifiable.

Posted by: Jeff II on April 4, 2006 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

Jeff II grape_crush During the 2004 elections President Bush won 80% of the counties in America. I am sure by now you have seen the Red/Blue map where the Blue areas look like freckles. Your side is so un-confident that not one leader will come out and say that the d's will win back congress or senate in 2006. In Florida the state reps are 85 r's 35 d's and the state senate is the same percentage. Delay took a state that had more d's than r's in congress and reversed that number. Finally the religous right is always lumped into one camp, while the d's look like tribes scattered, no one knows who is leading. If you are so confident. Make the prediction that in 2006 your side will take back the house and senate..........

Posted by: daveyo on April 4, 2006 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

Well, Easter is coming. Let's just wait and see. Somebody want to bring coffee and cake for the vigil?

Posted by: C.J.Colucci on April 4, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

Jeff II on April 4, 2006 at 4:04 PM

Completely agree with you, Jeff II. My remark was more directed to the homophobes who don't get it, not enlightened folks like you. : )

Posted by: Apollo 13 on April 4, 2006 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK

From what I've been reading, gay-bashing rhetoric ain't workin'like it used to.

It appears grandstanding about illegal immigrants (meaning "Mexicans" and not the Irish in South Boston) and "Persecuted Christians" are moving to the forefront as great subjects for baiting Red Staters into that self-righteous and indignant state of being that makes them feel "alive."

Posted by: Joe on April 4, 2006 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

Well, Easter is coming. Let's just wait and see. Somebody want to bring coffee and cake for the vigil?

Heh. Alpha and omega, all lobbyists are His...

Posted by: shortstop on April 4, 2006 at 4:19 PM | PERMALINK

From what I've been reading, gay-bashing rhetoric ain't workin' like it used to.

It appears that grandstanding about illegal immigrants (meaning "Mexicans" and not the Irish in South Boston) and "Persecuted Christians" are moving to the forefront as great subjects for baiting Red Staters into that self-righteous and indignant state of being that makes them feel so "alive."

Posted by: Joe on April 4, 2006 at 4:19 PM | PERMALINK

daveyo,

85% plus 35% = 120%

FYI

Posted by: obscure on April 4, 2006 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

Doesn't that sort depend on what he can/will do with the leadership pac money he has.

Also I was surprised to hear in this local Houston interview

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news&id=4052807

that his personal campaign chest would be used for legal expences.

The Bugman seems to have a golden parachutte (just like Jesu?)

Posted by: Keith G on April 4, 2006 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK

Daveo are you stupid or just a moron,R's are all lumped together,Yea just like the Nazis.You are a dumb turd.

Posted by: Right minded on April 4, 2006 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

I predict that in 2006, the Republican lead in congress will become stronger.

Factors leading me to this belief:
1. There will be another major domestic terror attack from Al Qaeda between now and then. Democrats will fail utterly to make the case that it's Bush's fault for fucking up in Afghanistan, because they will still be afraid of being called "unpatriotic" for questioning dear leader during wartime.

2. Democrats did not unify behind the censure measure - therefore, I conclude that their party has utterly disintegrated, and is completely incapable of coordinated action of any kind.

3. Democrats did not make the strong case for the "Republican Culture of Corruption" theme that that Republicans have practically gift-wrapped for them. There should have been a strong policy-proposal response - we heard nothing from them, which leads me (and everyone else) to believe that Democrats are just as corrupt - they just have not been caught lately, and they don't want to change the rules.

4. Bush will make some high-level cabinet shuffles (maybe Rummy) just before the election to give people a sense that their Republican congressmen still have some clout.

5. The "Be Afraid of Iran" campaign is in full swing. The "underwater missle" test from last weekend is going to ramp this up to a higher level. We will be forced to establish a major air-base in Iraq to stage a massive bombing campaign in Iran, because we're now vulnerable at sea. If the US does not act soon, Iran may manufacture enough of these missiles to invalidate our entire Naval advantage. And halt oil shipments entirely. (remember having to re-flag tankers for escort protection in the Gulf in the 1980's?). When the shooting starts, Americans are going to be walking to and from work a whole lot more.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on April 4, 2006 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK

Hi my name is Daveyo I am a Republican but I have no voice of my own,There are people who tell me what to say and what to do. Communism????

Posted by: Right minded on April 4, 2006 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

Pleased to meet all of you!

I'm selling realistic bug-scale models of the Cross which can be used to "bring bugs some divine justice."

My finely detailed latex Crosses come with tiny dabs of powerful adhesive guaranteed to catch offending bugs in a most compromising position.

2 gross to a box.

Write for details!

Posted by: I Kill Bugs on April 4, 2006 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

So you basically admit that "a huge, nationwide, concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in" is a lie, daveyo?

During the 2004 elections President Bush won 80% of the counties in America.

Yet the percentage of votes cast were Bush 50.7%, Kerry 48.3%...Your comparison of the number of counties in Rhode Island to Texas is dishonest. How do you reconcile the tenets of your professed faith with your own dishonesty?

Your side is so un-confident that...blah, blah, blah.

You guys are just itching for something to use against the Dems, aren't you? Publicly stewing in your own corruption while your ideology invalidates itself must just suck ass...

Delay took a state that had more d's than r's in congress and reversed that number.

Gerrymandering does wonders for election results, doesn't it?

Finally the religous right is always lumped into one camp..

Wow. And here I thought that we lefties were the ones always lumping the religious right into one camp...Guess I was wrong about that one.

Amy Sullivan may have to rethink her next posting if it's not about basketball...

..while the d's look like tribes scattered, no one knows who is leading.

Unlike the 'publicans and their right-wing religious extremist 'legions', the dems are allowed to have their own opinions about things. Do you have something against Democracy?

Posted by: grape_crush on April 4, 2006 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

To John Hansen:Shouldn't you be out on a ledge somewhere? (Thanks to the writers of SEINFELD)

Posted by: beth on April 4, 2006 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINK

"During the 2004 elections President Bush won 80% of the counties in America."

And this is relevant, of course, because a county containing a few dozen people and some cows is *exactly* the equivalent of a county containing a major metro area.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on April 4, 2006 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK

And this is relevant, of course, because a county containing a few dozen people and some cows is *exactly* the equivalent of a county containing a major metro area.

Hey! We vote too!

Posted by: Texas Republican Cows on April 4, 2006 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK

From what I can tell, the homosexual agenda, as practiced by such homosexual activists as Mehlman, Gannon, and Dreier, is:

1. Wake up
2. Hate self
3. Try to hurt other gay people

Does that about cover it?

As far as being afraid of Joe Biden goes, while that might not make you gay, it certainly makes you seem a teensy bit effeminate. And not in any of the good ways. Ooo scary Biden.

Posted by: solar on April 4, 2006 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK

Mr Bill wants to be able to recruit little boys into his house through adoption...

Don't tell me you aren't relieving yourself in those children.

What you are doing should DEFINITELY BE AGAINST THE LAW

Posted by: Tj on April 4, 2006 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

I understand sarah comnpletely. We are of the same cloth. I participate in forums on progressive sites because I am a disaffected republican.

But where is the middle of america to flee to?

the left is still controled by Israeli first Jews and the homosexual agenda... yes that agenda.

I don't want gays to have the right to adopt little boys to sodomize them.

so long as the DNC ignores this sickness in its ranks it will not garner votes from white middle class america.

Posted by: Tj on April 4, 2006 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK

Shouldn't that be "Ya'll"?

Craigie, it's a contraction of "you all." Not "Yastrzemski will."

Posted by: Ace Franze on April 4, 2006 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

Jesus jumpin' off the cross...
Damn, where's my hammer and spikes...can I help?

Posted by: Ben Merc on April 4, 2006 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINK

Let's drive a fucking stake through his starcy fucking heart while we can, before he rises to haunt us again.

Posted by: angryspittle on April 4, 2006 at 5:14 PM | PERMALINK

"I understand sarah comnpletely. We are of the same cloth."

Like two fingers in the same sock puppet, you might say.

"But where is the middle of america to flee to?"

Ah, for the lack of an anti-gay, anti-Semitic, anti-war party... hey, maybe you and Karen/Sarah/Arsenia should get together and form one!

Posted by: MJ Memphis on April 4, 2006 at 5:16 PM | PERMALINK

But where is the middle of america to flee to?

Tj; face it. You are not of the middle. You can't flee to the middle. The far right was an amalgam of militant fundamentlist religious whackjobs of various Christian, Randite, and Corporatists sects. When they banded together and gained power, they found they wanted to act under that power. Then these cults found that their various moral codes don't work together. (as I predicted several years ago). The Christians want the Christian verison of Sharia, but the Randites and Corporatists realize that sex sells, and stores closed on Sunday don't earn money, and the Randites found that Corporate welfare and war-profiteering made for larger government, not smaller. So now their eating their own.

So, my message to you, who wants to act with the authority of a broadly appealing moral code, to impose your narrow moral code upon the rest: Suck it.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on April 4, 2006 at 5:16 PM | PERMALINK

Tj/sarah:

Kindly fuck off.

You may be a "disaffected Republican" (yeah, I'll bet - they too warm and fuzzy for you?), but I can assure you we won't be embracing you either.

I don't want your fucking vote.

Posted by: Alek Hidell on April 4, 2006 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK
During the 2004 elections President Bush won 80% of the counties in America.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident...that all counties are created equal,..."

Doesn't quite sound right, does it?

Posted by: cmdicely on April 4, 2006 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK

One interesting thing about this is that DeLay went after Clinton and got enought sad little people to go along with him to actually impeach Clinton...which I think history will not look kindly on.

But he and his followers couldn't get rid of Clinton. On the other hand, mister high and moral mighty Tom DeLay has to resign in disgrace. He may have to go to jail.

The difference? DeLay probably committed crimes directly related his government job and the people's business.

Contrast that to Clinton's problems. The kind of problems a federal prosecutor had no business delving into.

Clinton survived and thrived. DeLay died and whined (all the way home).

Posted by: little ole jim from red country on April 4, 2006 at 5:30 PM | PERMALINK

Craigie, it's a contraction of "you all." Not "Yastrzemski will."

That's pretty funny.

But enough, already. It was an inside joke to shortstop. Apparently, a little too inside.

Nobody out-pedants me, goddamit!

Posted by: craigie on April 4, 2006 at 5:32 PM | PERMALINK

Tj and sarah;

you gay-bashers will really get your panties in a twist once stem-cell technology allows a gay man to buy a korean lab-grown tissue-compatible uterus and give birth to his own child.

Then what will the wingnuttier-than-thous do?

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on April 4, 2006 at 5:32 PM | PERMALINK

Hi Ben!


TJ-I;m just commenting to say that i won't bother commenting on your hateful crap this time. I remember getting sucked in last time and spent an hour before i realized that either: A) you're just a stupid fratboy sitting around in your room trying to piss off the do-gooders, or B) you really are so eaten up by fear and hatred of other people (those who's love and sex lives woprk differently from yours, that you can't think straight. either, way, it's no fun talking to you.

Oh, I guess I did comment.

Posted by: URK on April 4, 2006 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the temple.
DeLay took the temple to the moneychangers.

Posted by: natural cynic on April 4, 2006 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

Ace - I thought that was yaz'll?
Or am I thinking yizzle my nizzle?

Posted by: kenga on April 4, 2006 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK

DeLay took the temple to the moneychangers

No, he sold it to them.

Posted by: craigie on April 4, 2006 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK

Back on topic, I'd like to represent the mushy middle and say that it will be both. I would say that most elected officials will quietly drop Tom DeLay, after issuing a few platitudes about his public service either now or when his resignation takes effect. Some of them, though, will undoubtedly use his name in mailers of the sort that say, "Remember Tom DeLay! Those godless heathens, atheists, and gay agendists, drove him out of Congress! We are at war and we need your money! Please send us little Johnny's college fund immediately!"

Posted by: PaulB on April 4, 2006 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

craigie on April 4, 2006 at 5:32 PM:

Nobody out-pedants me, goddamit!

Uh, craigie? That should be either 'goddammit' or 'goddamn it'.

Otherwise, keep up the good work!

Posted by: grape_crush on April 4, 2006 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK

craigie >"...Apparently, a little too inside..."

Ball One !

"The internet can be as informative as the library of Alexandria or as crass as a bathroom wall." - GSD@firedoglake.com

Posted by: daCascadian on April 4, 2006 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK

Please send us little Johnny's college fund immediately!"

Nope, can`t do it cause I`ve already given it to some guy named Abramoff

Posted by: little Jonny on April 4, 2006 at 6:12 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, there are several "Homosexual Agendas," including this one, this one, this one, this one, this one, this one, this one, and, well, hundreds of others. Damn...what's a guy to do? So many agendas, so little time.

Posted by: PaulB on April 4, 2006 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK

Please send us little Johnny's college fund immediately!"

Johnny won't be needing it...cause Johnny's headed to the Middle East...[bang]-[bang].

Posted by: ckelly on April 4, 2006 at 6:18 PM | PERMALINK

Damn...what's a guy to do? So many agendas, so little time.

Start at the top and work your way through the list of course

Posted by: AgendaMan on April 4, 2006 at 6:30 PM | PERMALINK

Ball One !

(Snapping to attention) Whaaa?

I'm still mortified at having Bush so near the Cubbies last night. Now we'll have to disinfect and exorcise the team as well as walk that damn goat around. At least it's mostly Cincy's problem--they shouild prolly burn down the Great American Ball Park.

Posted by: shortstop on April 4, 2006 at 6:31 PM | PERMALINK

I'm pretty sure that getting everyone to dress absolutely fabulously is on the homosexual agenda.

Posted by: Dr. Morpheus on April 4, 2006 at 6:32 PM | PERMALINK

While we're on the homosexual agenda topic, let's not forget this classic Betty Bowers column.

http://www.bettybowers.com/isbushgay.html

"And we'll prevail, because we're a faaabulous nation, and we're a faaabulous nation because we're a nation full of faaabulous people."
-- George W. Bush., Atlanta, GA, January 31, 2002

I guess TJ should probably go make sure the pres didn't inappropriately touch any little boys at the ball game.

Posted by: MJ Memphis on April 4, 2006 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK

I guess TJ should probably go make sure the pres didn't inappropriately touch any little boys at the ball game.

If Pedophile Jay's tastes didn't run to little girls instead of little boys, we could sic TJ on him and rid ourselves of two sick freaks at once.

Posted by: shortstop on April 4, 2006 at 6:52 PM | PERMALINK

I just want to jump in here and say that I want to give the Justice Department lawyers a huge hurrah. Their boss is Gonzolaz and their ultimate boss is Bush, and in spite of this they keep going after some of the most powerful republicans, their aides and lobbyists. It can't always be easy to respect and enforce the law while working under this administration, but I have yet to see any sign that lawyers of the justice department are not doing their best. We have serious problems with a lawless president and vice-president, corporations running amuck, a war that may be the start of a more serious global disruption, and legislators that are for sale. I know government employees aren't always popular, but this group seems to be following law and principles not money and partisanship. It is more than can be said for our congress and media, the people who are supposed to keep the executive branch in check.

Posted by: patrick on April 4, 2006 at 7:11 PM | PERMALINK

. . . but I have yet to see any sign that lawyers of the justice department are not doing their best. We have serious problems with a lawless president and vice-president, corporations running amuck, . . . Posted by: patrick

Tell that to Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson.

This nonsense has been going on since, at least, the beginning of the Bush administration. DeLay should have been slapped down five years ago. That stunt of using Homeland Security to track down the "run away" Texas state Dems alone should have been enough to prosecute him for misuse of powers.

The only reason you are seeing any movement now is that the Bush administration is completely lame duck. That's why I think all this talk of attacking Iran is just that. I doubt you could even get the military to go along with it after the Iraq debacle.

Posted by: Jeff II on April 4, 2006 at 7:34 PM | PERMALINK

grape_crush:

nice one. Now take the rest of the day off!

Posted by: craigie on April 4, 2006 at 7:35 PM | PERMALINK

So, did DeLay get fingered for having the SunCruz guy whacked? That actually makes more sense in his sudden fast and "redemption." I have no doubt that he was involved tangentially at least in that. Oh--and taking lots of money for front charities.
They were "foster" charities--standing in for the real ones until the next Vince Foster scandal could get us to look the other way . . .

Posted by: Sparko on April 4, 2006 at 7:44 PM | PERMALINK

BTW, does anyone have a copy of the Homosexual Agenda? I think I missed the meeting of the Ungodly Heathens when it was passed out.

TomStewart

The funny thing about this is there is a homosexual agenda, and the right is correct about what the agenda consists of: Radical homosexuals want legal equality with straight people. They want to be able to marry and to adopt children. They want to be able to kiss and hold hands in public. They want public schools to teach that homosexuality is one of the normal ways to be and that it is morally equal to heterosexuality.

If you add wanting to molest children and convert real men like me and the General to queerdom, you'd pretty much have the right wing version of it.

Posted by: anandine on April 4, 2006 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

Nobody out-pedants me, goddamit!

"Goddamit" is usually spelled "Goddammit."

Posted by: anandine on April 4, 2006 at 8:05 PM | PERMALINK

craigie on April 4, 2006 at 7:35 PM:

Now take the rest of the day off!

Whew...Thanks, chief...As you know, being pedantic is hard, hard work...

Posted by: grape_crush on April 4, 2006 at 8:09 PM | PERMALINK

"God always does his best work right after a crucifixion"

Yeh, like he unleashes centuries of ignorance and superstition.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr on April 4, 2006 at 9:02 PM | PERMALINK

Jeff II at 7:34
tell that to Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson
Make no mistake how difficult it will be to prosecute scooter libby and (I think eventually) his boss. If you think Patrick Fitzgerald is doing anything less than his best(and that is pretty damn good) you are kidding yourself. But going after the chief of staff of the vice president, with all of the political backing he will get, the diffulty of dealing with classified information, claims of executive priveledge cheny now asserts extends to him, not to mention supreme court justices that have clearly been partisan, will not be easy. He must build an absoloute rock solid case that no judge will have an excuse to throw out. If it does not work out, it will have absoloutley nothing to do with Fitz's integrity or capability.

Posted by: patrick on April 4, 2006 at 9:22 PM | PERMALINK

And this is relevant, of course, because a county containing a few dozen people and some cows is *exactly* the equivalent of a county containing a major metro area.

What about our agenda?

Posted by: Texas Gay Republican Cows on April 4, 2006 at 9:55 PM | PERMALINK

grape_crush right minded etc. Gee it appears I touched a nerve. First of all there are 85 r's and 35 d's in the florida state house in florida, not percentage. There is the same percentage in the senate, didn't mean to confuse you. I'll make it simple. No d's need to show up at the state capital for a quorum vote. Second everyone who is even slightly knowledgeable about politics knows that the d's carried the cities and the r's carried every other place.
Finally as for the d's everyone knows that you cannot run and especially win as a liberal. So why is that no one embraces your views. Simple, there is no support for those views. So keep enjoying your enlightened views and remember when 2008 comes the d who is the least liberal will be the one your party embraces.

Posted by: daveyo on April 4, 2006 at 10:27 PM | PERMALINK

>'Last year he (DeLay) told the Family Research Council last year that attacks on him were actually "a huge, nationwide, concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in."'

Just what is it that they do believe in? The dollar, obtaining God like power over the Constitution, corruption, .... on and on....

If your are not "Right" you must be "Wrong"... that's what they believe in.... whatever it takes to make 'em right! In Dubba's words "You just gotta understand... and if you ain't with us you must be against us!

Posted by: Not all Democrats are Liberal on April 4, 2006 at 11:04 PM | PERMALINK

What about our agenda?
Posted by: Texas Gay Republican Cows


Fucking funniest thing in this thread.

Posted by: craigie on April 5, 2006 at 12:34 AM | PERMALINK

daveyo on April 4, 2006 at 10:27 PM:

Gee it appears I touched a nerve.

Nah; Don't flatter yourself.

the d's carried the cities and the r's carried every other place.

So you admit that your '80% of counties' comment is a dishonest, invalid comparison?

Finally...More blah, blah, blah.

And what does this have to do with Tom DeLay's presentation of himself as a victim?

Posted by: grape_crush on April 5, 2006 at 4:30 AM | PERMALINK

daveyo on April 4, 2006 at 10:27 PM:

Gee it appears I touched a nerve.

Nah; Don't flatter yourself.

the d's carried the cities and the r's carried every other place.

So you admit that your '80% of counties' comment is a dishonest, invalid comparison?

Finally...More blah, blah, blah.

And what does this have to do with Tom DeLay's presentation of himself as a victim?

Posted by: grape_crush on April 5, 2006 at 4:34 AM | PERMALINK

grape_crush I am sorry that I used numbers and words that confused you. In 2006 Pres Bush carried 80% of all counties in the USA. (that should be easy). Delay was the leader who got re-districting done in texas. Formerly even though there were more r's in texas there were more d's in congress from texas. (you remember how the state d's kept running to oklahoma to avoid this vote). Now, because he has been a target of the d's he is leaving office. (hope this simplier explanation is more at your level). Finally, please check the financial giving of Abranof, and find exactly where Senator Reid was in the contribution list, and how much his son as an employee of Abranof made.(I know that would be complicated so you will probably need to stay with those snappy "blah, blah, blah comments). Oh by the way, why did you not respond to the fact that no d wants anything to do with libs like you, and for a d to be elected they have to run like they are an r.

Posted by: daveyo on April 5, 2006 at 8:15 AM | PERMALINK

I still like James Carville's wisecrack: "If Tom Delay is a martyr then I'm Goldilocks."

Posted by: CFShep on April 5, 2006 at 10:13 AM | PERMALINK

WELL, once DeLay is acquitted of the state charges, which he will be, he will look pretty good as a victim. The Abramoff thing with his aides will be what it will, but then again Democrats managed to spin and stonewall all of the multitudinous instances of conflict of interest, the appearance of impropriety, perjury, and smoke and mirrors that immediately became apparent when the Clintons ascended to the national scene.

In fact, Democrats have managed to convince themselves that the Clinton impeachment was all about sex. That's an outright lie, a nasty, stinky lie of immense magnitude. The only reason that both Clintons were not exposed and convicted as being thoroughly corrupt in 1992 is that the MSM flat-out stonewalled for them.

Look at every business deal the Clintons were ever in. They were all disasters, but THE CLINTONS NEVER LOST MONEY because their political admirers and sponsors always shielded them. If the Clintons really lost money on Whitewater, they would have clamed that loss somewhere in their income tax statements, but they never did. They depreciated the value of their underwear, but never lost money on Whitewater because that privilege had cagily been shifted to the U.S. taxpayer.

Does ancient history about the Clintons matter? Only if Hillary runs in 08. I'll be Mr. DeLay will rise from the dead just to throw stones at her, the beef futures trading genius that she is.

Posted by: Michael L. Cook on April 5, 2006 at 10:15 AM | PERMALINK

shorty: Y'all, ignore Sarah.

Shouldn't that be "Ya'll"?
Posted by: craigie

I'm firmly in the 'y'all' camp since it's 'you' that being elided. And that's closer to the way it sounds in my own Trans-Sabine (with Red River/Trinity variant).

Posted by: CFShep on April 5, 2006 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe he thinks Jesus drove the money-launderers back into the temple.

Posted by: jon on April 5, 2006 at 10:58 AM | PERMALINK

daveyo on April 5, 2006 at 8:15 AM

I am sorry..

Hey! We agree on something! You are sorry...and dishonest.

I used numbers and words that confused you.

Hardly.You manipulated numbers to support what you wanted to say...No confusion about that...

In 2006 Pres Bush carried 80% of all counties in the USA. (that should be easy).

Dishonest comparisons usually are. It's easy to be intellectually dishonest...The lazy person's approach to dealing with reality.

Now, because he has been a target of the d's he is leaving office.

More dishonesty from you...If anything, DeLay's a victim of his own greed and lust for power; but he is a target...Of investigation for money laundering, bribery, wire fraud, and God knows what else.

(hope this simplier explanation is more at your level)

Compared to you, daveyo, I'm a mental giant.

...find exactly where Senator Reid was in the contribution list

And if he has performed the same illegal actions that DeLay has been investigated for, then I'll hold the door open for him on his way out. Of course, if DeLay is convicted, you'd probably still be pushing the 'DeLay is a victim' meme.

Oh by the way, why did you not respond...blah, blah, blah.

Because: (1) It is not a fact, and (2) It is not relevant to this discussion, no matter how much you'd like to derail this topic...Which is a dishonest debate tactic.

Really, how do you reconcile the tenets of the 'publican's preferred religion with lying, bribery, and a general lack of compassion for your fellow man?

Posted by: grape_crush on April 5, 2006 at 11:53 AM | PERMALINK

Michael L. Cook on April 5, 2006 at 10:15 AM:

Look, everyone! CLINTON! Clinton-Clinton-Clinton-CLINTON!

And how much of that outrage was manufactured by Mellon-Scaife?

Wow, something shiny...it's..CLINTON!

Michael L. Cook, you are a pathetic, angry person.

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