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April 17, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

HOW DICK DOES IT....Robert Dreyfuss writes in the American Prospect today about the obsessive secrecy that surrounds the zealots who work for Dick Cheney:

His press people seem shocked that a reporter would even ask for an interview with the staff. The blanket answer is no nobody is available. Amazingly, the vice presidents office flatly refuses to even disclose who works there, or what their titles are. We just dont give out that kind of information, says Jennifer Mayfield, another of Cheneys angels. She wont say who is on staff, or what they do? No, she insists. Its just not something we talk about.

Read the whole thing to learn more about the men and women who work for Cheney and how they've managed to seize control of the foreign policy apparatus of the United States government:

According to [Larry] Wilkerson, Cheneys office and the [National Security Council] were completely separate on foreign policy. Cheney, says Wilkerson, set up a staff that knew what the statutory NSC was doing, but the NSC statutory staff didnt know what his staff was doing. The vice presidents staff could read the statutory NSCs e-mail, but the NSC couldnt read their e-mail. So, once someone on the statutory NSC figured it out, they used various work-arounds. Like, for example, they would walk to someones office, rather than send an e-mail, if what they were going to talk about they didnt want to reveal to the vice presidents very powerful staff. But that was difficult because of Cheney spies within the bureaucracy, including people like John Bolton at the State Department, Robert Joseph at the NSC, certain staffers at WINPAC (the arms control shop at CIA), and various Pentagon officials, he adds.

But is the Cheney moment over? Dreyfuss, for one, thinks not. Here's his final sentence: "For the moment, at least, the war party led by Dick Cheney remains in ascendancy." Make of that what you will.

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Palace Revolt, indeed.

Posted by: Boronx on April 17, 2006 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

But is the Cheney moment over?

Someone told me it was in its "last throes"

Posted by: ckelly on April 17, 2006 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

Plus Cheney's staff all carry shotguns, I bet.

Posted by: craigie on April 17, 2006 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

I thought they all wore body armor.

Posted by: ckelly on April 17, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

Has there ever been an American politician less popular than Cheney? Somebody whose approval rating was below 16? Was Agnew this unpopular? Duke Cunningham? Robert McNamara? Donald Rumsfeld? Montgomery Burns?

Posted by: reino on April 17, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

Who pays for Cheney's press staff? If it is me and other taxpayers, I think they can't keep it a secret. If not, then we should know who is paying for his staff. (And what they are getting in return for doing so.)

Posted by: Stitchwitch on April 17, 2006 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

Amazingly, the vice presidents office flatly refuses to even disclose who works there, or what their titles are. We just dont give out that kind of information, says Jennifer Mayfield, another of Cheneys angels. She wont say who is on staff, or what they do? No, she insists. Its just not something we talk about.


But isn't that necessarily a matter of public record, or, at least, a necessary public matter? If this were a court and a lawyer were refusing to disclose who else is sitting at the table with him, would that be legal?

Posted by: cld on April 17, 2006 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney's staff is on the public federal payroll. As with Congress, all office expenses must be reported and available to the public (tax payers dollars, etc). If it is not, it can (and should be) challeneged.

Posted by: expat on April 17, 2006 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

"But is the Cheney moment over? Dreyfuss, for one, thinks not. Here's his final sentence: "For the moment, at least, the war party led by Dick Cheney remains in ascendancy." Make of that what you will."

War in Iran it is.

Posted by: Tom DC/VA on April 17, 2006 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney is entilted to secrecy.

I mean... it is not as if he works for the American people,
and is drawing a paycheck and health care on their dime.

Seems to me the de facto CEO of Halliburton has no obligations to the American public at all...

None whatsover.

In other words...
Go fuck yourself America.

What Cheney does is none of your business.

Posted by: koreyel on April 17, 2006 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

November 1, 2006 has been declared Apologize to Dick Day. Everyone of the 82% of the Americans who don't like Dick are required to send a written apology to the man.

Posted by: lib on April 17, 2006 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

I knew that evil man was plotting or already hatched a coup. Well, given our humble president, it was more like taking candy from a baby.

Now I know why he mumbles out to the drooly side of his mouth, he learned that spy thing while whispering to his agents at dinner parties.

We need a Cheney counter counter terrorism (how many counters do I need here?), but one of those agencies to spy on our people. You know, when a bunch of incredibly stupid Free Republic types elect something more akin to a monkey, speaking of which.

On World News Daily, or some such respictable news rag I was reading, I noted they mentioned spontenous de-evolution has been attacking our population. People mysteriously changed into monkeys and began self grooming, really a true fact, I read it.

The point was, their phrenologists, (is that the word?) noted that Mr Bush seemed to be undergoing this change. The new chief of staf had to be trained in organ grinding, just in case, to cover up the meetings. He was going to grind the organ, synch it up with the meeting, so just when old George needed to approve he would, jump up, you know, wiggle his ears.

Posted by: Matt on April 17, 2006 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

Hopefully Cheney will die of a heart attack any day now.

Posted by: Rufus on April 17, 2006 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

I really want to believe that these people genuinely want to encourage democracy around the world. That, after all, would be the only redeeming thing about their foreign policy. But stuff like this makes me wonder whether they have any clue what democracy is.

Posted by: Drew on April 17, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

i'm so sick of this fucking secrecy shit--WE pay his goddamn salary.

Posted by: rimone on April 17, 2006 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

After decades in government bureaucracy, Cheney has learned to circumvent functionaries, dissenters, and enemies who would dilute projects of interest. It is essentially a privatization of executive power, no doubt, in the name of efficiency . It looks a lot like monarchical power because it is born of the same necessity. It is exactly what constitutions, parliaments and bureaucratic transparency were intended to prevent. It is profoundly undemocratic and in stark opposition to the very spirit of the American experiment. But Cheney, many of the neoconservatives and their allies seem dedicated, not to populist democracy, to which they pay lip service, but seigniorage or the rights and privileges of the powerful to do as they see fit. Accountability and transparency in government by way of bureaucracy, parliaments, the law or courts is emasculating or worse- created by the enemy to undermine the rightly powerful and one's destiny with history.

Posted by: bellumregio on April 17, 2006 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

As long as George Bush is in office, then Dick Chaney will never face accountability. George is impotent without his Dick.

Posted by: Jon Karak on April 17, 2006 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

Who leaked this information that Cheney has a staff? The leaker must be destroyed! Where does his wife work? Let's start there...

Posted by: craigie on April 17, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

Tom DC/VA: War in Iran it is.

I generally agree that is their intent. While it won't be quite so easy for the OVP to do so overtly this time (or at least quite yet), they can probably very effectively torpedo any substantive US diplomatic engagement with Iran, leaving few other apparent options.

Posted by: has407 on April 17, 2006 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

Spare the staff and spoil the Cheney.

Posted by: shortstop on April 17, 2006 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

Wow. Just wow.

There are two parts that seem to especially deserve comment. One is the refusal of Cheney's office to release the names and titles of those working there. Excuse me, but isn't this our government - don't they work for us??

And of course, the astoundingly screwy White House decision-making process, with the Veep and his staff having their multiple veto opportunities on pretty much any White House action.

Each White House has a right to make decisions any way it wants to, but boy howdy, it's hard to imagine a worse way to do so.

Posted by: RT on April 17, 2006 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

All the posters should pause to read the American Prospect article. It is very illuminating. If we are to avoid the path on which Cheney wishes to lead us, more jouranlists need to probe into the workings of the OVP staff. Cheney is very unpopular, but few in the US know how he works his black magic. Truly the Bush-II administration is a unique case in US history.

Posted by: troglodyte on April 17, 2006 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin Drum >"...Make of that what you will."

It be truth

Tom DC/VA >"...War in Iran it is."

For starters

Rufus >"Hopefully Cheney will die of a heart attack any day now.

"We the people..." don`t have that kind of luck anymore

"There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept." - Ansel Adams

Posted by: daCascadian on April 17, 2006 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK


HAS407: While it won't be quite so easy for the OVP to do so overtly this time (or at least quite yet), they can probably very effectively torpedo any substantive US diplomatic engagement with Iran, leaving few other apparent options.

They can also manufacture a crisis, including something on 9/11's scale or beyond. They can claim they've arrested Iranian terrorists plotting attacks. They can use the forces they already have on the ground to goad Iran into an actual attack. And never forget that they can simply do it. Just drop some bombs to take out the "threat" and deal with the criticism later. After all, it's not as if they wouldn't still have considerable support from both the public and in the press. Hell, even Kevin would probably analyze it to death before officially condemning it, afterwhich he'd post endlessly about whether we were "winning" in Iran.


Posted by: jayarbee on April 17, 2006 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK

Dick Cheney --the nouveau richelieu.

Posted by: cld on April 17, 2006 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

The concerns about secrecy so widely expressed here would be understandable were it not for the fact that we are currently engaged in a Long War over our very existence as a nation.

I would think that by now the liberals would have uderstood that simple fact of the 21st century, but it appears that such an occurrence would require the left to possess the level of intellectual prowess that is organically beyond its reach.

Posted by: tbrosz on April 17, 2006 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

They refuse to release the titles of the people who work for him! What could they possibly be?

The Lord of Eternal Stink? The Marquess of Thumbscrew?

Director of Crapulence?

Posted by: cld on April 17, 2006 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Brilliant ones, do you want to chase another shiny hook?
Come on you got nothing better to do.

Posted by: daveyo on April 17, 2006 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

Serious question. How is Cheney so powerful then? The man is despised, his polls in the crapper. Seems to me he should be a boat-anchor of a burden on this administration -to be cast off and never heard from again - not calling the shots and operating as he pleases.

Posted by: ckelly on April 17, 2006 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK

Come on you got nothing better to do.

Then to go to a blog you disagree with and troll for attention. How sweet and charming. Must make you feel tough and manly.

Whose got nothing better to do again?

Posted by: Plastic Turkey on April 17, 2006 at 3:39 PM | PERMALINK

Our very existence as a nation is threatened only by the Republican Party. Islamic fundamentalism was a threat, but, because of the intentional behaviour of Republicans, it now has street cred everywhere. Because of them the threat is a thousand times worse, and they have made sure to make it that way for their own purposes.

There is no good Republican, there is no patriotic Republican and there is no reason we should have to live with any Republican.

Posted by: cld on April 17, 2006 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

They refuse to release the titles of the people who work for him! What could they possibly be? The Lord of Eternal Stink? The Marquess of Thumbscrew? Director of Crapulence?

Incontinentia Buttocks.

Posted by: ckelly on April 17, 2006 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

If the NSC finds out what Cheney's staff is talking about, then the terrorists have won. Is that your point, tb?

Posted by: reino on April 17, 2006 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

I think it's fair to say that Bush/Cheney constitute the worst President/VP in our history.

What I'd like to hope is that they are just about the worst even possible in our system -- the nadir of American democracy.

There are many things about them and their history that suggest this is so. They were elected on the slimmest margin possible -- had they been more extreme, they would have lost. They used their election to rule as much to the extreme as is possible. They were given an enormous, unnatural political boost by a wholly unpredicable event: 9/11. They used the popularity derived from that event to push even more extreme policies. They combine all this agenda with an absolutely clear desire for all the dictatorial powers they can muster.

In effect, Bush/Cheney, and the events that have ensued under their watch, constitute a nearly perfect storm of circumstances to become the most dangerous and damaging executive team POSSIBLE in our democracy.

Now the worse thing for the moment is that we have no real idea what the limits truly are for their depredations. It may be that their very unpopularity pushes them to engage in desperate gambles, which have a long shot of paying off for them politically or otherwise (think nuking Iran), but whose likely consequences are very bad for us and the world.

I just hope we can escape the final two plus years of these reckless incompetents with minimal further harm to our way of life.

Posted by: frankly0 on April 17, 2006 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

Hopefully Cheney will die of a heart attack any day now.

Objection -- assumes a heart not in evidence.

Posted by: Stefan on April 17, 2006 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

I just hope we can escape the final two plus years of these reckless incompetents with minimal further harm to our way of life.


Very unlikely. They'll do anything they can to screw us permanently, to make us more like them.

Posted by: cld on April 17, 2006 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

The White House also released the 2005 tax return filed by Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife, Lynne. According to the return, the Cheneys have overpaid their taxes this year and are entitled to a refund of about $1.9 million. Their adjusted gross income was about $8.82 million. There is a good chance that VP Cheney can afford a nice retirement in about 2 1/2 years.

Posted by: mycampaign on April 17, 2006 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

"I thought they all wore body armor."

Only when the beloved masses are apt to throw candy and flowers.

Posted by: 17 on April 17, 2006 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK

Hopefully Cheney will die of a heart attack any day now.

He died a heart attack already. "Dick Cheney" is actually a top-secret defense cyborg project. Only Dick's malice is original equipment.

Bush bragged about being an "MBA President." What kind of CEO would put up with a second-in-command who spied on his staff, for purposes of his own?

Posted by: dj moonbat on April 17, 2006 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK

ckelly,

Serious question. How is Cheney so powerful then?

Bush.

Cheney is the defacto President. Cheney whispers, Bush squints for a moment trying to understand and then gets out his rubber stamp.

Posted by: Tripp on April 17, 2006 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

'Cheneys angels': Mary Matalin, Juleanna Glover Weiss, Jennifer Millerwise, Catherine Martin, and Lee Anne McBride"

Is one of these the one who was carrying Mr. I. Lewis "Scooter" Libbby's books while he was on crutches up until he had to resign?

Posted by: jhm on April 17, 2006 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

Some tolerant and loving Liberal said "Hopefully Cheney will die of a heart attack any day now."

This is the current state of Liberal discourse in 2006, folks.

Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on April 17, 2006 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

Our Nation is very safe Tbroz,Isreal is our problem.One more thing, We put our Nation at risk for Jesus? Did you know he was a brown person?

Posted by: Booo on April 17, 2006 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

Just to add to my point that Bush/Cheney is likely the worst it will ever get for America, they have one other thing that enables their ruinous governance: the absence of any checks and balances from Congress.

In short, a lot of evil planets had to align to make the Bush administration what it is today.

Posted by: frankly0 on April 17, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

Some tolerant and loving Liberal said "Hopefully Cheney will die of a heart attack any day now."

This is the current state of Liberal discourse in 2006, folks.

Heart attacks are fairly painless, so what's the problem? We could have said we hoped he died of flesh-eating bacteria, which would be more in line with justice.

Posted by: shortstop on April 17, 2006 at 4:10 PM | PERMALINK

Not a new observation... The White House MO appears to take its cue in significant part from a typical large corporation, but with arguably less public accountability than many corporations these days. Plus-or-minus, Bush is Chairman of the Board and CEO; Cheney is President and COO. (And if the Bush administration was audited for SOX compliance, they'd fail miserably. Enron-Lay/Skilling-Fastow and Bush-Cheney-Libby are creepily similar.)

Moreover, the argument can be made that Cheney's low poll numbers and position make him more effective; since there is likely nothing he can do to redeem himself in the public eye, therefore there is little to restrain him from the "necesssary dirty work". Meanwhile Bush ostensibly remains on the (*cough*) high ground.

Posted by: has407 on April 17, 2006 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

Moreover, the argument can be made that Cheney's low poll numbers and position make him more effective; since there is likely nothing he can do to redeem himself in the public eye, therefore there is little to restrain him from the "necesssary dirty work".

I actually think this is the key point. Cheney has never been personally interested in public opinion; he was the designated bad guy of this WH. Now that the entire administration is in freefall, he's a natural for all the nasty things Bushco needs done.

At this stage, they're not looking for redemption. They're looking to shove through as much as they can as fast as they can before the courts, the midterms, mass military resignations and so forth can stop them.

Posted by: shortstop on April 17, 2006 at 4:15 PM | PERMALINK

Shortstop at 4:10, you sir are my hero!

Posted by: Plastic Turkey on April 17, 2006 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK

frankly0: They were given an enormous, unnatural political boost by a wholly unpredicable event: 9/11.

Maybe.

But maybe the event happened because they do represent the nadir of competency in government. Maybe a better administration would have detected the plot and foiled it.

Or maybe they go even lower than you imagine. Maybe they live in a bottomless pit of selfishness and greed for power, and they allowed exactly what was needed to tighten their grip on American citizens to happen.

The latter possibility would certainly prove your theory that we've gone as low as we can go.

Posted by: cowalker on April 17, 2006 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK

I want my country back.

Posted by: ckelly on April 17, 2006 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

Huh, The Liberal party has only one person in it.So it is safe to say Ann Coulter speaks for all of you righties.

Posted by: Booo on April 17, 2006 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

I want my country back. Posted by: ckelly on April 17, 2006 at 4:29 PM


Sorry, all sales are final.

How's the naked woman?

Posted by: Chinese Bond Buyers on April 17, 2006 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe they live in a bottomless pit of selfishness and greed for power, and they allowed exactly what was needed to tighten their grip on American citizens to happen.


That's been exactly my theory since the day I first saw Our Great Leader on tv.

Posted by: cld on April 17, 2006 at 4:33 PM | PERMALINK

By the righties way of thinking Bill Clinton is brilliant he foiled terror attacks on this Country from 1993 untill he left office,With a whole lot less money and nobody died doing so.So you will admire him,NOW.

Posted by: Booo on April 17, 2006 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK

CEO, as in CEO President:

Corrupt Effluent-filled Orbhead?

Posted by: Cal Gal on April 17, 2006 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK

frankly0: In effect, Bush/Cheney, and the events that have ensued under their watch, constitute a nearly perfect storm...

The question that comes to mind is: What is the dynamic that created that "perfect storm"? There are obviously numerous factors, but the two that come to mind as significantly different from previous administrations are:

  • Karl Rove -- A Presidential political advisor with unprecendented influence and power.
  • Dick Cheney -- A VP with unprecedented influence and power.

Posted by: has407 on April 17, 2006 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

'... how they've managed to seize control of the foreign policy apparatus of the United States government'

Duh! By winning an election.

Posted by: Patrick R. Sullivan on April 17, 2006 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK

Bush Administration has re-designated the water hazards at golf courses as wetlands.


http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/columnists/conservation/article/0,13199,1179434,00.html#


Which means, I'd guess, that golf courses qualify for federal funds to 'protect' them?

Posted by: cld on April 17, 2006 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK

Patrick R. Sullivan:

Which election was that?

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on April 17, 2006 at 4:58 PM | PERMALINK

Some goofball named "Booo" thinks Clinton 'foiled terrorist attacks from 1993 until he left office.'

Check this genius out - 4/17 4:35 PM.

He never heard of the 1993 WTC attacks? The embassy bombings? The attack on the USS Cole?

Posted by: MountainDan on April 17, 2006 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK

Some goofball named MountainDan apparently believes that the embassy bombings (which were in Africa) and the USS Cole attack (which was in Yemen) occurred in "this Country."

Posted by: raj on April 17, 2006 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINK

MountainDan,

"One such thwarted plot was an attempt to kill the pope by Abu
Sayyaf, a Filipino terrorist group with suspected ties to al Qaeda. The
U.S. also foiled Project Bojinka, a plan to hijack and blow up 12 U.S.
civilian airliners in a single day. In reference to his
accomplishments, Clinton said:
"When I was president, we stopped planned attacks on the Holland
Tunnel, the Lincoln Tunnel, the Los Angeles Airport, planes flying out
of Los Angeles to the Philippines, millennium weekend bombs planned for
cities in the Northeast and the Northwest, for Jordan, and for a
Christian site in the Holy Land."


from http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/Week-of-Mon-20031027/026664.html

Posted by: cld on April 17, 2006 at 5:13 PM | PERMALINK

CEO...Chief Excersize Officer

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on April 17, 2006 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

Some goofball named MountainDan apparently believes that the embassy bombings (which were in Africa) and the USS Cole attack (which was in Yemen) occurred in "this Country."

Moreover, if you're going to mark the USS Cole attack (which wasn't, strictly speaking, terrorism, since it was an attack against a military not a civilian target) against Clinton, then by the same standard you have to count the 50-70 attacks a day against the US military in Iraq against Bush.

So if we add up we get major terrorist attacks under Clinton = 3, major terrorist attacks under Bush = approx. 50,000+.

Posted by: Stefan on April 17, 2006 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

Mountain dan: Read read read,I said from 1993 untill he left office,That included the 1993 WTC attack ya dip. Like Sefan said if you include those attacks you have to include the IED attacks on our troops,Doing so gives your fella a well enough said you took your wooping for the day.

Posted by: Booo on April 17, 2006 at 5:31 PM | PERMALINK

Cheneys role and the nature of his power will be a real question for historians. He is not some kind of dark puppet master but he is also not a celebrity politician, he is an apparatchiki. George Bush is a rich frat boy with enough cunning, swagger, and grade A media work to get to the top of the Republican heap. Dick Cheney and his ilk are a different breed. We should not be too hopeful for a good turn of events but isolation and secrecy in government is usually a sign of weakness. We saw this in the Soviet Union in the 1970s where power and control were the patina on a decaying imperial system. They also saw the proletariat revolution, whatever one thinks of it, turn into a society of the New Class where government, military, and money became separate from the needs of the governed.

Posted by: bellumregio on April 17, 2006 at 5:34 PM | PERMALINK

"The concerns about secrecy so widely expressed here would be understandable were it not for the fact that we are currently engaged in a Long War over our very existence as a nation." tbrosz --

Just exactly who is the enemy in that Long War?


Muslim fundamentalists. They don't threaten our very existence, do they?

Posted by: Ron Byers on April 17, 2006 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK

Booo and Stefan have entered fever swamp territory.

According to Booo and Stefan, attacks against our military are "terrorist attacks against the USA."

Posted by: Paddy Whack on April 17, 2006 at 5:45 PM | PERMALINK

According to Booo and Stefan, attacks against our military are "terrorist attacks against the USA."

Fever swamp territory? WTF?

Anyhoo, Mountain Dan first brought up the attack on the Cole as a tarrah attack during the Clinton years so apparently he's on board with it. And how many times has Bush called the insurgents tarrists? Fight em there not here remember?

Posted by: ckelly on April 17, 2006 at 5:54 PM | PERMALINK

Staffers at WINPAC?

Wasn't that Valerie Plames old employer?

Posted by: postit on April 17, 2006 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK

You know, I just realized, every time one of these golf courses tries to change one of the water hazards, make it bigger or smaller, or change its' shape, or re-design the course, or cut the weeds around it (!) they're going to have to fill out 60,000 forms with the Army Corps of Engineers.

Posted by: cld on April 17, 2006 at 6:11 PM | PERMALINK

Fever Swamp? I have never been to the White House or Crawford Texas so shutup.

Posted by: Booo on April 17, 2006 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK

Aye Grasshoppers, did you not know?

bramoffs dense network of illicit finances and phony charities might end some political careers in the United States. But the investigation into his activities by the FBI also shed light on the ways in which right-wing American Jews have often been involved in funding what are essentially terrorist activities by armed land thieves in Palestinian territory.

Indeed, it was this terror funding of Israeli far-right militiamen that tripped Abramoff up, since the FBI discovered that he had misled Indian tribes into giving money to the Jabotinskyites, and then began wondering if he had defrauded the tribes in other ways. (You betcha!) The Indian leaders were furious when they discovered they had been used to oppress another dispossessed indigenous people, the Palestinians, calling it Outer Limits bizarre and saying that they would never have willingly given money to such a cause.
---
Abramoff is a Christian Zionist more or less, Neo-Cons...Hmm..Okay here's how they think more or less Ok?
---
Gary North a prolific Christian Reconstruction writer points out in The Unannounced Reason Behind American Fundamentalism's Support for the State of Israel:

In order for most of today's Christians to escape physical death, two-thirds of the Jews in Israel must perish, soon. This is the grim prophetic trade-off that fundamentalists rarely discuss publicly, but which is the central motivation in the movement's support for Israel. It should be clear why they believe that Israel must be defended at all costs by the West.

Posted by: one eye buck tooth [X^B on April 17, 2006 at 6:39 PM | PERMALINK

Yeh Krazy aint it?
Take a bunch of Radical Limbaugh Christian Zionists, then Have them give money to Falwell, Falwell uses that to import European and Soviet Jews into Israel, many are poor, to be used to Purchase and Plan a "Prophecy"
Somehow I don't think Jesus, or Moses would Approve.

Now take Cheney and Bush [the Military Industrial Complex, and AEI, AIPAC, Franklin], and you have got a group of radical nefarious bastards that no good can ever come out of. I am not anti-semitic, nor anti-christian. The Jewish people however should be aware of some of the Ideology behind Bush [Dominionist, Reconstructionist] and his Ilk.
----

Posted by: one eye buck tooth [X^B on April 17, 2006 at 6:55 PM | PERMALINK

It would seem the Love Affair of the Neo-Cons and the Christian Zionists is OVER.
[So much for Falwells "Moral Majority" and Roves "polarizing']

Who is this Guy Rummy?
LMAO@Rove. Stick that in your chocolate starfish.
Bada-Bing!

Posted by: one eye buck tooth [X^B on April 17, 2006 at 7:03 PM | PERMALINK

Well what shall it be America?

1) Sit and tippity type out our little election laptop war of elect corrupt dems vr. corrupt repubs?

2) Launch a citizens revolution?

3) Do the CEO thing and divert our campaign contributions to hiring an assassination squad to clean out DC?

4) Just enjoy our serta perfect sheep world?

Posted by: Chanel No 5 on April 17, 2006 at 7:11 PM | PERMALINK

Dear Tbrosz, I am a poor Jew in the Soviet Union, please send me money to go to Israel and buy me a house, I know that you wand to kill me for your Lord, but I would at like the chance to see the good life, even if but for a short time, I only Hope Tbrosz that you make my death quick and painless, as I burn in hell for your Prophecy, I hope that God judges you for being the kind loving person that you are. So what if I die? You, the Righteous can continue on in Bliss? How could any man not wish to be killed by such Wisdom and Intellect?

Posted by: Poor Soviet Jew on April 17, 2006 at 7:12 PM | PERMALINK

Well, Oklahoma City sure happened after 1993 and on the Big Dawg's watch. But somehow, the Right would rather not count that particular Clinton failure in the War On Terrorism against him. I wonder why that could be?

Posted by: dj moonbat on April 17, 2006 at 8:05 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney's office: Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum [garbage in, garbage out]

Muslim fundamentalists. They don't threaten our very existence, do they? Posted by: Ron Byers on April 17, 2006 at 5:42 PM

Not really. All the nuclear weapons the Soviet Union had didn't threaten our "very existence," and no one else on the planet has the equivalent firepower. However, Bush's neglect and lies cost us several office towers, one medium-sized American city, and thousands of casualties to our military.

Posted by: Mike on April 17, 2006 at 8:12 PM | PERMALINK

Great article; thanks. Passed it along to a friend, who replied (in part): "Isnt this also the plot of a movie?"

Perhaps. Cheney and his henchfolk may be engaged in what's sometimes called starring in the movie of your own life. Reminds me of a passage from Robert Stone's novel, Dog Soldiers. Vietnam, circa 1970: civilian sort-of-journalist Converse visits his old Marine Corps (now Merchant Marine) buddy, Hicks, to propose that he smuggle to the States a briefcase of heroin . . .

Hicks set his empty beer can down.

"What did you come here for? . . ."

Converse was still smiling.

"I'm a writer. I wanted to see it." His eyes followed the searchlights on the bay. "I suppose there was an element of guilt."

"That's ironic."

"Yes," said Converse. "It's distinctly ironic."

They fell silent for a while.

"I'm tired of being bothered," Converse said. He rested his hand on the briefcase. "I feel like this is the first real thing I ever did in my life. I don't know what the other stuff was all about."

"You mean you enjoy it?"

"No," Converse said. "I don't mean that at all."

"It's a funny place," Hicks said.

"Let smiles cease," Converse said. "Let laughter flee. This is the place where everybody finds out who they are."

Hicks shook his head.

"What a bummer for the gooks."

Posted by: penalcolony on April 17, 2006 at 8:30 PM | PERMALINK

Does paranoia go along with conservative ideology? Conservatives are awfully fond of creating separate little units of government that are either secret, or at the very least, unaccountable. Remember the Office of Special Plans?

The same mechanism is employed over and over again. The special unit is created to perform an end run around whatever agency it is stuck in (if any), and around the congress, around the public. Its just a separate little kingdom not accountable to anyone except the top of the executive branch.

I know many folks, including Josh Marshall, have noted how well secrecy, unaccountability and incompetence all go with each other. Ask yourself: who in the Bush administration has a reputation for competency? Bet youre stuck there, arent you?

Posted by: little ole jim from red country on April 17, 2006 at 8:48 PM | PERMALINK

'Cheneys role and the nature of his power will be a real question for historians. He is not some kind of dark puppet master but he is also not a celebrity politician, he is an apparatchiki. George Bush is a rich frat boy with enough cunning, swagger, and grade A media work to get to the top of the Republican heap. Dick Cheney and his ilk are a different breed.'
--belumregio


I would disagree, kind sir. Dick Cheney is the ultimate opportunist, and a man of very low moral character, who has a long history of failure, just like Bush himself. Cheney also is a two-time drunk driver, like Bush. Now I am one to let a youthful indiscretion slide, but two is a pattern. How many people do you know personally who have two DUIs? Are they nice people? The few people I know with this sort of criminal record are morally degenerate losers. And we have two scumbags like that running our country!

Of course, Cheney should have never been allowed to run as Bushs Veep, since he and Bush were both residents of Texas in 2000 and that is grounds for disqualification under the 12th Amendment to the Constitution. Since the mainstream media refused to question, or even bring up, anything in the past of these two reptiles, we get the worst administration in history - a country on the verge of bankruptcy and a war that, by definition, will never end. How very sad this tale is

That is what future historians should ruminate over. If we have a future.

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on April 17, 2006 at 9:51 PM | PERMALINK

Well, Oklahoma City sure happened after 1993 and on the Big Dawg's watch. But somehow, the Right would rather not count that particular Clinton failure in the War On Terrorism against him. I wonder why that could be?
Posted by: dj moonbat on April 17, 2006 at 8:05 PM

Thus is thy name of the group Mcveigh belonged; Elohim.
EL or ELOHIM, it is not a name for sumerian spacemen as pundits would like you to believe, it is also Adonai, or 'the Name'. Adonai is used in the Place of YHWH [Hebrew] for Yahweh, There are many names of God, John 1;1 gives us AETZI, this is close to King AEETE of Greek Myth, however, the point is Mcveigh was Yet another Radical Right Winger, and probably a Reconstructionist/ Dominionist as the Branch Davidians of Waco were. [Kool-Aid Kamps]

Posted by: IHAEOU on April 17, 2006 at 11:00 PM | PERMALINK

www.lazyonebenn.blogspot.com

I agree with Richard Dreyfuss.

Posted by: Ralph E. Benn on April 17, 2006 at 11:22 PM | PERMALINK

Finally found it, the titles of Cheney's assistants: three Tsars and a Pork Queen.

Posted by: cld on April 18, 2006 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

Finally found it, the titles of Cheney's assistants: three Tsars and a Pork Queen.

I hear this to the tune of "Three Coins in the Fountain."

Posted by: shortstop on April 18, 2006 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

Easiest job in the universe--being Dick Cheney's press secretary. "The Vice President will have no public appearances today and will not be making any public statements." On the golf course by 8:30.

Posted by: Freder Frederson on April 18, 2006 at 9:21 PM | PERMALINK

Out of sight, out of mind.

I've wondered why the media doesn't follow him around as they do the POTUS, especially since he shot a man in the face and hasn't had to face the consequences that any other citizen in the same situation would have had to deal with.

Taxpayers pay for his staff, for his care and keep, his expenses, his transportation. I'm sure that Cheney would prefer to avoid scrutiny and accountability, but the only way that he succeeds is if we allow it. Bush and Cheney get away with most of their scams through bluffing. They toss down the gauntlet and people back away.

Unless and until Americans are willing to get off our asses, take to the streets, and fight for this democracy, we get the government we deserve. I remember back in the days of Nixon and the Viet Nam war protests and just when the tide finally turned - when 250,000 Americans descended on Washington. When protestors numbers grew that big back then, Nixon began to flee Washington (and everywhere else) when the protest marchers came to town. It had the feel of Cindy Sheehan showing up in Crawford.

If we want to see accountability by our representatives to Congress, we have to do more than answer pollsters. We have to make noise where it counts - in their faces. We have to show up wherever Bush and Cheney, and all of them go to speak and raise money.

Bush is coming to California at the end of the week. Where are you going to be this weekend?

Posted by: Maven on April 19, 2006 at 4:56 AM | PERMALINK

do you really think so?
here is my opinion

Posted by: Old Lady on April 20, 2006 at 7:31 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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