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April 28, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

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is this going to be a regular feature? has it always been a feature and i've always been too preoccupied with my weekend plans to notice it? i mean it's a given that my cohorts from the right side of the aisle will continue to shower you with material, but will it just be overkill after a few weeks? as a republican i have to say that if next friday's "friday republican blogging" features hookers i am so back for it!

Posted by: papalovesmambo on April 28, 2006 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

Did you actually expect that fat fuck Hastert to walk the few blocks back to the Capitol?!

Posted by: drjimcooper on April 28, 2006 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

Someone else should send this to Tucker Carlson at MSNBC for his "hypocrites" file!

Posted by: Ray Waldren on April 28, 2006 at 4:02 PM | PERMALINK

But what are the Dems doing? Do they have a solution? Or they just want to whine about Repubs' shortcomings?

Posted by: gregor on April 28, 2006 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

LOL.

Posted by: Haha on April 28, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

But what are the Dems doing? Do they have a solution?

Yeah - Denny should exercise and eat right.

Posted by: BB on April 28, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

This is a liberal prank: that's obviously not Denny Hastert, but well-known leftist America-hater Danny DeVito as "The Penguin."

Posted by: The Confidence Man on April 28, 2006 at 4:10 PM | PERMALINK

It's the same with their conservatism.

It's the same with their patriotism.

It's the same with their commitment to the troops.

It's the same with their faith.

All just a show for the rubes.
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Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on April 28, 2006 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK

"But what are the Dems doing? Do they have a solution?"

Yeah: keep better control of your Party's staged photo-ops so you don't end up looking like a hypocritical assclown when embarrassing photos hit the Media and Internet.

Posted by: Jay C on April 28, 2006 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

Difference between Democrats and Republicans:

After their gas station photo op, Democrat legislators climbed into their SUVs and drove 1 block back to the Capitol (Clueless).

After his gas station photo op, Hastert gets into a hydrogen-powered car, goes one block, and switches into a SUV (Calculated hypocrisy).

Posted by: Wombat on April 28, 2006 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

Just what everyone in D.C. needs, an SUV. All that off road driving down by Rock Creek Park, I guess, and the snow on the ground from November to April.

Assholes.

Posted by: JeffII on April 28, 2006 at 4:16 PM | PERMALINK

Teddy needs a portable wind generator to compete.

Posted by: Matt on April 28, 2006 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

So, just out of curiosity, when has hypocrisy not been a staple of the Republicans?

Posted by: sheerahkahn on April 28, 2006 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK

There's one problem with allowing these guys to walk back to their offices....too many people will pass them along the way and want to institute a Citizens' Arrest (for corruption, venality and just plain stupidity). Add in a dollop of security thugs' reactions, and you can imagine what happens.

Posted by: bill h. on April 28, 2006 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

Hey Hastert, I know you're kind of round, but why not WALK?

Posted by: MNPundit on April 28, 2006 at 4:33 PM | PERMALINK

If it's under a 10 block distance, you should be ashamed of yourself not to walk it. If he's capable of getting into a car under his own power, he should be able to walk his ass over to the capitol.

Posted by: phleabo on April 28, 2006 at 4:34 PM | PERMALINK

Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer did the exact same thing -- except I think they just hopped straight into their SUVs without the hydrogen-fueled bit.

There's hypocrisy in D.C.?
There's gambling at Rick's?

Posted by: Birkel on April 28, 2006 at 4:37 PM | PERMALINK

ack! my head's going to explode if i keep seeing crap like this! please! make it stop!

Posted by: EM on April 28, 2006 at 4:37 PM | PERMALINK

Heh. Indeed. Saw that photo this morning.

On a related note, I'm also chuckling at the headline on MSNBC.com right now:

'DUMBEST IDEA'
GOP tax rebate plan for gas relief costly and ineffective, analysts say
]

And by the way, Repubs, the "dumbest idea" quote comes not from a Democrat but from Cato.

Posted by: Alek Hidell on April 28, 2006 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

I'm with Alek and Cato.
It's stupid.

Posted by: Birkel on April 28, 2006 at 4:41 PM | PERMALINK

I see that Denny has been super-sizing it. Has he gained an additional 200 lbs?

Posted by: ckelly on April 28, 2006 at 4:44 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, Cato is consistent. If the Dems became Repubs, then Cato would support them too.

Posted by: craigie on April 28, 2006 at 4:44 PM | PERMALINK

Birkel, the question is why? Why the hell would someone get out of a perfectly functional vehicle to switch to the gasoline-powered one?

Hypocrisy is mere travelling back from the press conference in a gas-powered SUV after the press conference. Pettiness is switching from your hydrogen SUV to the gas powered one because you resent the idea of driving in the hydrogen-powered one in the first place.

Posted by: Constantine on April 28, 2006 at 4:44 PM | PERMALINK

There's hypocrisy in D.C.?


I'd call it fraud.

Posted by: ckelly on April 28, 2006 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINK

Friday Republican Blogging?

Or Friday Republican Bloating

Posted by: ckelly on April 28, 2006 at 4:48 PM | PERMALINK

Pettiness is switching from your hydrogen SUV to the gas powered one because you resent the idea of driving in the hydrogen-powered one in the first place.

Bingo.

Posted by: BB on April 28, 2006 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK

JeffII, you've obviously never driven on DC streets. Some have ruts so big that my Focus has trouble climbing them.

Posted by: DC1974 on April 28, 2006 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK

If it's under a 10 block distance, you should be ashamed of yourself not to walk it.

The boogeymen, I mean, the terrorists are out to get him. That hippiefreakmobile wasn't safe.

Posted by: BB on April 28, 2006 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

I agree with the first poster.

15 years of servicing by Wilkes and Wade must have produced a treasure trove of pictures. Friday Republican with a Hooker Blogging should last for a few years.

Posted by: lib on April 28, 2006 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK

Were those hydrogen cars just abandoned? D.C. addresses please!

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr on April 28, 2006 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK

People, people! Stop making fun of Hastert's weight. Don't you know that the only acceptable target for weight-related insults is Michael Moore? Insulting anyone else is uncivil and unserious.

Posted by: KCinDC on April 28, 2006 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK


What does Al think?

Posted by: b on April 28, 2006 at 4:58 PM | PERMALINK

This is an area where both parties are equally stupid. Pelosi for riding in a gas guzzler and Hastert for trying to hide it.

Posted by: Monkey on April 28, 2006 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK

"Hey Hastert, I know you're kind of round, but why not WALK?"

Actually, Denny's the one who first coined the phrase, "Let's roll".

Posted by: Kenji on April 28, 2006 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, Denny's the one who first coined the phrase, "Let's roll".


I thought he said "More rolls".

Posted by: ckelly on April 28, 2006 at 5:12 PM | PERMALINK

That was a custom hydrogen car made especially for Republican congressmen.

It comes equipped with front and side gasbags as standard equipment.

Posted by: pj in jesusland on April 28, 2006 at 5:16 PM | PERMALINK

The SUV is armored (you don't see a lot of armored subcompacts), and security people insisted Hastert use it. Odds are same was true for the Democrats and their vehicles.

Posted by: tbrosz on April 28, 2006 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK

The SUV is armored (you don't see a lot of armored subcompacts), and security people insisted Hastert use it. Odds are same was true for the Democrats and their vehicles.

Like Hastert needs it. His blubber could with stand anything this side of a cruise missile.

Posted by: NSA Mole on April 28, 2006 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

The SUV is armored (you don't see a lot of armored subcompacts), and security people insisted Hastert use it.

Which doesn't excuse his little "show" of arriving in a hydrogen-powered car he had no intention of actually using more than say 1 or 2 blocks. Typical Republican chicanery. Frauds.

Posted by: ckelly on April 28, 2006 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK


BIRKEL: Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer did the exact same thing -- except I think they just hopped straight into their SUVs without the hydrogen-fueled bit.
A lie is as good as the truth if you tell it often and convincingly. Schumer drives a Hyundai Elantra and Pelosi did not make a gas station appearance. As for what she drives, I don't know and it's almost certain that you do not either.


Posted by: jayarbee on April 28, 2006 at 5:27 PM | PERMALINK

The SUV is armored

Is this true? If so, how do you know? And also if so, how long has this been so?

I sure don't see much of a security detail in that picture.

Posted by: BB on April 28, 2006 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer did the exact same thing -- except I think they just hopped straight into their SUVs without the hydrogen-fueled bit.

Ummm.

Then it wasn't the 'exact same thing' now was it?

The Always Acute Birkel.

Posted by: obscure on April 28, 2006 at 5:46 PM | PERMALINK

A description (although incomplete) of who drove what at yesterday's Washington group gropes can be found here.

Posted by: has407 on April 28, 2006 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK

Friday Fat Cat Blogging

Posted by: ecoboz on April 28, 2006 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

Funny thread--entertaining comments!

I'm showing this to my mom, who's in Denny's district. I'm always hopeful that something will finally push her into not voting for him ("Yes, he's awful, but the liberals are such taxers and spenders!). Her consuming hatred of Bush hasn't done it yet, but she's ardently interested in environmental issues (go figure), so this could be the back-breaking straw!

Posted by: shortstop on April 28, 2006 at 5:51 PM | PERMALINK

She then hopped in a waiting Chrysler LHS (18 mpg)

It gets 21.

Posted by: BB on April 28, 2006 at 5:54 PM | PERMALINK

Ol' Denny just wanted us to ignore for a minute that the gas powering his SUV currently costs $3.29 a gallon just a few blocks from his photo op, at Lukoil (2715 Pennsylvania Ave -- see gasbuddy.com). At least that's what real citizens pay at the pump these days. That SUV probably gets gassed up in some Congressional garage.

And gas is going up over $4 a gallon soon. Maybe Denny'l ride the Metro for that occasion.

Posted by: pj in jesusland on April 28, 2006 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK

While I'm as liberal as they come, I can't say that I'm going to get excited about this. It was a photo op. Big deal.

It's not as if hydrogen is actually any more of a practical solution to our energy needs than ethanol. Both take more energy to produce than they deliver. If you analyze the entire energy budget, it may be that the SUV is more efficient over all (which, mind you, isn't saying much).

Posted by: Steve on April 28, 2006 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

"Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) emerged from the lunch looking for his ride when he spied The Washington Post's Shailagh Murray. Reconsidering, he set out on foot. "I need the exercise," he reasoned."

That's an interesting passage. The author of piece is sort of smearing McCain as playing for the press. Not to sound like a McCainiac, but how would they know McCain walked just because a reporter was there.

Posted by: Tom on April 28, 2006 at 6:00 PM | PERMALINK

If you're trying to promote something you have to make and get impressions. The guy responsible for getting the these dang cars into this stunt should be getting a slap on the back from those remotely interested in promoting this new energy. It's a cause that Dems should "own" and the fact that repubs are piling into the cars at a media event instead of dems is ridiculous. We all know hypocrites and laughing at them is fun, but cmon...

Posted by: tixmeoff on April 28, 2006 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK


BB: It [Chrysler LHS (18 mpg)] gets 21.
Yes. And the WP article also minimized the average mpg rating between Republicans' and Democrats' vehicles: "A sampling of senators' and staff cars parked along Delaware Avenue NE found that those displaying Democratic campaign bumper stickers had a somewhat higher average fuel economy (23 mpg) than those displaying GOP stickers (18 mpg)." The difference is actually very significant. I mean, since they printed the actual figures, it's not as dishonest as Birkel's BS; but it's still disingenuous to say that 23 mpg is somewhat higher than 18 mpg.


Posted by: jayarbee on April 28, 2006 at 6:07 PM | PERMALINK

What does Al think?

I'm so glad you asked!

The central conceit of the left's fascination with this picture seems to be that hypocrisy is the most important thing in the world, certainly far more significant than something as petty as national energy policy.

The elevation of hypocrisy to paramount importance certainly serves the personal interests of pundits such as Kevin Drum well. They are, as a group, professional writers and debaters and not, say, people with specialized expertise in economics or environmental science or international relations or whatever else might be relevant to the issues of the day. Allegations of hypocrisy play to their strengths -- analyzing text and generating new text of their own -- while eliminating the need to bore into questions like "is this vehicle a good idea?" or "should we increase subsidies to such vehicles?" or what have you.

As an approach to moral or political philosophy, however, anti-hypocrisy has very serious flaws. Jeremy Lott did a good article in a recent issue of Reason making many of the relevant points. Notably, to me, the aggregate level of hypocrisy in a person's life is going to wind up depending more on the scale of his aspirations than anything else. I imagine the Christian injunction to "love your enemy" would be extremely hard to live by. No doubt most committed Christians frequently find it hard not to have feelings of hate or spite toward their enemies or toward those who have wronged them. That's human nature. You could, in fact, be quite successful as loving your enemy while still living a life that contained many moments in which you failed to meet this aspiration. I, by contrast, don't aspire to the love your enemy doctrine as an aspiration. Consequently, my life is going to be much less hypocritical on this score.

But this is obviously neither here nor there as far as whether or not you should love your enemy. That even a person who sincerely tries to love his enemies and often succeeds in doing so also sometimes falls short of this ideal merely shows that it's a hard ideal to live up to.

Posted by: Al on April 28, 2006 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK

Ol' Denny just wanted us to ignore for a minute that the gas powering his SUV currently costs $3.29 a gallon just a few blocks from his photo op, at Lukoil (2715 Pennsylvania Ave -- see gasbuddy.com). At least that's what real citizens pay at the pump these days. That SUV probably gets gassed up in some Congressional garage.

I'd call it pump franking, but it sounds so much like a bad porn flick.

Posted by: shortstop on April 28, 2006 at 6:12 PM | PERMALINK

"I'm showing this to my mom, who's in Denny's district. I'm always hopeful that something will finally push her into not voting for him ("Yes, he's awful, but the liberals are such taxers and spenders!)."

If she cares about the environment, maybe Hastert's pet highway project will push her over the edge (http://www.sprawlway.org/) It'll rip up some really beautiful farmland. I wonder if this deal is Denny's retirement plan.

I don't know enough about his Dem opponent (John Laesch) to know if he'd be worth voting for. He's probably a tax and spender, and perhaps she'll prefer to stick with Republicans, as they eschew the taxing part and just focus on the spending.

Posted by: Tom on April 28, 2006 at 6:15 PM | PERMALINK

The "crime" here isn't that these senators drive gas guzzlers, but that reporters and photographers are leaking this information to the public. They should all be convicted of treason.

Posted by: Hummer on April 28, 2006 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK

Driving a gas-guzzling SUV (even if you really didn't) is morally the same about pretending for public view to drive a cleaner car and then hopping into your SUV.

As I said, the horridness of this event is the pettiness-- that Hastert considered himself "above" driving in the perfectly good car that he was sitting in until the cameras were no longer rolling.

Posted by: Constantine on April 28, 2006 at 6:18 PM | PERMALINK

Funny post, Tom. You have no idea how many times I've gently been over these very points with her. Run through a list of issues and she ends up on the progressive side 19 times out of 20. But she's got a lifelong pass to the Goldwater Republican Historical Theme Park.

Posted by: shortstop on April 28, 2006 at 6:25 PM | PERMALINK

If the SUV is armored, double shame on him for not sending it to Iraq for one of our unprotected platoons to drive.

Posted by: lib on April 28, 2006 at 6:39 PM | PERMALINK


ECOBOZ: Friday Fat Cat Blogging
If Kevin sees that, bet he'll wish he'd thought of it.

Speaking of fat cats, Rush Limbaugh was just arrested.


Posted by: jayarbee on April 28, 2006 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK


What a slugand I always thought Yankees were a tad smarter then your average American. I wonder how many more times this pathetic excuse of a public servant will be re-elected?

Posted by: Ben Merc on April 28, 2006 at 6:50 PM | PERMALINK

Speaking of fat cats, Rush Limbaugh was just arrested.

Oh, and we didn't see that coming when he emerged from rehab and promptly twisted 12-step concepts to rank on Democrats: "I learned in NA you can't change others' behaviors, only your own, so I'm giving up on changing the evil liberals." Yeah, that boy was so ready for recovery. Not.

Posted by: shortstop on April 28, 2006 at 6:50 PM | PERMALINK

What a slugand I always thought Yankees were a tad smarter then your average American.

They may be, but Hastert's from Illinois.

Posted by: shortstop on April 28, 2006 at 6:52 PM | PERMALINK

This just in:
Rush Limbaugh arrested on Drug Charges.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060428/ap_on_re_us/limbaugh_painkillers_2

Whoo hoo! another scumbag off the street!

Happy Friday everybody!

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on April 28, 2006 at 6:54 PM | PERMALINK

Man I hope TheSmokingGun.com is on the ball and gets his mug shot and rap sheet out there. I've got a bare spot on my wall saved up just for him!

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on April 28, 2006 at 6:58 PM | PERMALINK

Limbug was a Yankee? When did he turn into the worst type of egotistical, bombastic, malevolent turd.

Posted by: notthere on April 28, 2006 at 6:58 PM | PERMALINK

Um, would've been that hard just to drive those vehicles all the way back to the Capitol building?

Posted by: Alexander Wolfe on April 28, 2006 at 7:07 PM | PERMALINK

Looks like Rush cut a deal to avoid jail and undergo more rehab instead. That's not very tough on crime of him. Sounds quite liberal and effete. Where's his sense of conservative responsibility, of moral outrage?

Do you think he's a fake or just a hypocrite?

Posted by: Windhorse on April 28, 2006 at 7:09 PM | PERMALINK

Look. Hastert is a total load. But he IS second in line for the Presidency. So, no, I do not expect him to walk even a few blocks, any more than I would expect a President to in this security conscious environment. But the switching cars thing is typical hypocritical, cynical BS and deserves all the flack it's getting. And is more evidence (along with the hiring of Tony Snow who will have a "policy development" role along with his press jobs secretary job) that the GOP simply does not do policy. It does politics and spin.

Posted by: Pat on April 28, 2006 at 7:26 PM | PERMALINK

I'm doubled over in laughter.

This from up above:

"Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) emerged from the lunch looking for his ride when he spied The Washington Post's Shailagh Murray. Reconsidering, he set out on foot. "I need the exercise," he reasoned."

He reasoned?

Say what?

"Reasoning" is anathema to religion is it not?

Lol.

At any rate... here is a new social law:

There are frauds and there are frauds...
And there are fraud's frauds.
And then...
there are politicians that want to be president frauds...

'nuf said.
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Posted by: koreyel on April 28, 2006 at 7:29 PM | PERMALINK

Do you remember Hosea Williams in Atlanta? I liked Hosea-he was fun to be around and he had panache. Hosea would appear in a predominantly African-American neighboorhood wearing his overalls, but on his way downtown to speak to a primarily white gathering he would change into his suit in the car. He lent another meaning to "colorful"!

Posted by: fred on April 28, 2006 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK

Um, would've been that hard just to drive those vehicles all the way back to the Capitol building?
Posted by: Alexander Wolfe

The capitol secuirity probably would have blown them up with an anti-tank rocket or something. DC looks a wee bit hysterically frightened nowdays.

Posted by: jefff on April 28, 2006 at 7:48 PM | PERMALINK

I see no one provided evidence that that's an armored vehicle, or if it is, how long the Speaker has been in armored vehicles.

Posted by: BB on April 28, 2006 at 7:58 PM | PERMALINK

I guess it must have been a slow news day.

Of course, as we all know, Democratic proponents of energy conservation and alternative energy sources all drive compact cars and live in small apartments to demonstrate their willingness to practise what they preach. The huge Kennedy compound on Cape Cod, for example, doesn't actually exist, it's just a Republican smear tactic.

Posted by: GOP on April 28, 2006 at 8:52 PM | PERMALINK

Looks like the wrestling coach's hemmorhoids might be flaring up a tad, judging from the hitch in his get-along.

The fat fuck....

Posted by: Fred Flintrock on April 28, 2006 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINK

shortstop: both of my parents were (are) Goldwater republicans. They spout that same "liberals are taxers and spenders" line.

But over the years I've realized that 1)conservatives don't care about the spending (Reagan and the Bushes have all increased spending drastically while jacking the national debt up to the stars), and 2) what really controls them are simple prejudices.

Posted by: little ole jim from red country on April 28, 2006 at 9:08 PM | PERMALINK

"They may be, but Hastert's from Illinois".
Posted by: shortstop on April 28, 2006 at 6:52 PM |


That being my point...a Union state if ever there was one!

Posted by: Ben Merc on April 28, 2006 at 9:17 PM | PERMALINK

Look at what kind of leaders that filter up to the top of the Republican party: GWB, "friend of green house gases", and Ronald "trees cause most of the polution" Reagan.

You can't compare totally unserious people like that to Bill Clinton and Al Gore. You want people who have spent a lifetime educating themselves, or bozos who will be all over the map like GWB, with his latest "I'm suddenly cncerned" foolishness.

Posted by: little ole jim from red country on April 28, 2006 at 9:21 PM | PERMALINK

Sheesh... could everyone please stop making fun of Dennis Hastert's weight? Attack his ideology, his pettiness, his hypocrisy, his dishonesty, but stop ridiculing someone because of their weight. It's stupid, petty, immature, and should be beneath supposedly intelligent, reasonable people.

Yeah, he's overweight. So are a lot of people, and it is not immoral to be so. It's the lamest thing to attack him over, and it's the juvenile taunt one would expect from a fourth grader. Grow up.

Posted by: jbryan on April 28, 2006 at 9:43 PM | PERMALINK

He would of ran from that traitor hybrid but his pace maker was going off...priorities people.

Posted by: elmo on April 28, 2006 at 9:49 PM | PERMALINK

even better than cat blogging

Posted by: darwin on April 28, 2006 at 10:00 PM | PERMALINK

New songs on the petroleum hit parade:

"Hummer, Don't Hurt 'em"

"Little Douche Coupe"

"Denny, Don't Be a Hero"

"Pump My Ride"

"Running on MTV"

your turn...

Posted by: Kenji on April 28, 2006 at 10:27 PM | PERMALINK

"Let me say this about that." former president Richard M. Nixon, introducing many responses to questions.

In sympathy with legislators who switched cars, presumably their own cars had to be driven back to their own reserved legislator parking spaces.

What I don't get is where the hydrogen-powered vehicles came from and where they went after the legislators left them.

Posted by: Joel Rubinstein on April 28, 2006 at 11:00 PM | PERMALINK

Hastert is almost as big as the SUV. What a fat tub of guts, growing obese at the public trough. These people are animals.

Posted by: aj on April 28, 2006 at 11:03 PM | PERMALINK

Of course, as we all know, Democratic proponents of energy conservation and alternative energy sources all drive compact cars and live in small apartments to demonstrate their willingness to practise what they preach. The huge Kennedy compound on Cape Cod, for example, doesn't actually exist, it's just a Republican smear tactic.

Used to be right-wingers disparaged moral relativism. Guess that bird's flown the coop, like so many others.

Posted by: BB on April 28, 2006 at 11:28 PM | PERMALINK

Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer did the exact same thing -- except I think they just hopped straight into their SUVs without the hydrogen-fueled bit.
Posted by: Birkel

Birkel ... do you have a link or any evidence for this? ... or are you just a lying piece of shit throwing made-up allegations and hoping something sticks?

Posted by: Nads on April 28, 2006 at 11:39 PM | PERMALINK

Credit Cards

Mortgage

Personal Loans

Posted by: Jesse Jackson on April 29, 2006 at 12:04 AM | PERMALINK

I see we're spreading half truths today.

The other Congressmen at the event, many of them Democrats(Ed Kennedy and Dianne Feinstein being two of them) also switched from the hydrogen cars to the regular SUVs.

Since they all did it, rather than assume the worst, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. There was probably a very good reason why they switched.

Posted by: Adam Herman on April 29, 2006 at 1:50 AM | PERMALINK

KCinDC: "People, people! Stop making fun of Hastert's weight. Don't you know that the only acceptable target for weight-related insults is Michael Moore?"

That's terrible -- now drop and give me fifty.

In honor of the current $3/gal. gasoline prices everyone is paying, we'd also like to ridicule Bush's corpulent and obviously very well-fed former Secretary of Energy, Spencer Abraham.

In addition, it should also be open season on that double-chinned, rotund, gluttonous, and soon-too-be-retired (with the mother of all corporate golden parachutes) ExxonMobil Chairman of the Board, Lee Raymond.

Posted by: Patrick Fitzgerald, Esq., LLP on April 29, 2006 at 2:42 AM | PERMALINK

I am going to assume you were confused rather than lying.

The various articles on this subject today mixed up reports from a couple different gas station press events plus reports of what a number of legislators that weren't at either event were driving. Although both Kennedy and Feinstein are mentioned as driving SUV's, neither of them are mentioned anywhere as having been at the event with the hydrogen car, much less having switched from it to other vehicles a block from the station.

Meanwhile, Senator Schumer appears to have been at a different event at an Exxon station, not the BP station involved in Frist's event. Schumer was variously reported as having arrived in a Ford Prius (60 mpg hybrid) or a Hyundai Elantra (35 mpg sedan) not an SUV. Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill) who was at the Schumer event said he came to it in a Ford Taurus (23 mpg) but also showed pass cards for both the Chicago and Washington D.C. transit systems which he apparently uses regularly.

None of the reports I could find mentioned which other legislators were at the specific event that Hastert was, much less which, if any, of them drove away in the hydrogen vehicles or whether or not anyone other than him switched from a hydrogen car to another. Apparently, most of the coverage has been driven by the single photograph shown in the original post here that drew lots of viewer attention after being posted at Yahoo! News.

Posted by: tanj on April 29, 2006 at 2:43 AM | PERMALINK

In case it wasn't clear, my previous post was primarily directed to Adam Herman's post at 1:50am and secondarily to Birkel's from 4:37pm and to some of the responses to Birkel.

Posted by: tanj on April 29, 2006 at 2:45 AM | PERMALINK

The other Congressmen at the event, many of them Democrats(Ed Kennedy and Dianne Feinstein being two of them) also switched from the hydrogen cars to the regular SUVs. Since they all did it, rather than assume the worst, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. There was probably a very good reason why they switched.
Posted by: Adam Herman

... you were saying? ... There is no evidence that anyone but hastert showed calculated deception. There were other SUVs, but no one has reported any switching except for hastert's. So why are you lying? Your willingness to be a loyal party apologist is noted.

Incidentally ...

"Two lawmakers win 'gotcha' game"
Posted by Naftali Bendavid at 2:39 pm CDT
The most dramatic moment arose when a reporter asked Schumer and Emanuel on how they personally had traveled to the press conference, apparently hoping to catch them in an admission that they'd used a gas guzzling limousine. Schumer was happy to say he came in a Toyota Prius, an economical hybrid car, and that his family vehicle was a Ford Taurus.

When the reporter pressed Emanuel, the congressman said he came in a Ford Taurus. Then, saying "I'm not playing this game," Emanuel defiantly opened his wallet and pulled out cards from the Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) and Washington's Metro system, proving he uses public transportation.

Posted by: Nads on April 29, 2006 at 2:46 AM | PERMALINK

Also, my first reference to Frist in my 2:43 post should have said Hastert.

Posted by: tanj on April 29, 2006 at 2:47 AM | PERMALINK

Adam Herman: "Since they all did it, rather than assume the worst, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. There was probably a very good reason why they switched."

You're right -- perhaps they're trying to conserve water because of the drought.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on April 29, 2006 at 2:49 AM | PERMALINK


ADAM HERMAN: The other Congressmen at the event, many of them Democrats(Ed Kennedy and Dianne Feinstein being two of them) also switched from the hydrogen cars to the regular SUVs.
This isn't the Drudge Reprobate or the Freeperville Fallacy. Although many try, you can't just make something up out of troll cloth and expect it to stick just because it smells bad.
ADAMN LIAR: I see we're spreading half truths today.
Yes, some of your cousins from under the bridge were here earlier, but yours is the most full-bore lie of them all.


Posted by: jayarbee on April 29, 2006 at 3:00 AM | PERMALINK

I'd also point out that all of this is largely irrelevant.

Most, but by no means all, of our national legislators are wealthy enough that they could afford to drive SUVs no matter how high gas prices go and that doesn't change the fact that they are legitimately concerned about constituents that are suffering real hardships from the price increases.

Also, while it might be nice to see more of them setting a good example, there are legimate reasons for legislators to use larger vehicles. These reasons could include having frequent passengers, needing to be able to work in the car while a staff member drives them or wanting to make a particular impression on people they meet with on the job.

That doesn't stop the image of Hastert changing cars less than a block from the gas station from being a striking one, particularly when it is happening close enough to the capital that I, and I suspect many other Washington Monthly readers, would just walk. Whether its fair or not, it is natural that it should be used as an icon of the essentially shallow and transient level of concern Congress is showing for this issue.

Posted by: tanj on April 29, 2006 at 3:08 AM | PERMALINK

Couldn't the hydrogen in the hydrogen-powered vehicle carry them for the few blocks back to the Capitol building? If not, that would not say much for hydrogen-powered vehicles.

Posted by: raj on April 29, 2006 at 8:03 AM | PERMALINK

From the NY Times FBI subpoenas records of Democrat ethics leader

I mean, you want to fair and balanced, right Kevin? Shouldn't you comment on REAL hypocrisy (like the Dim's claim of "culture of corruption"?), or show Kerry getting into one of the SUV's that "his family may own". Heh Heh!

Posted by: Norman Rogers on April 29, 2006 at 8:15 AM | PERMALINK

That being my point...a Union state if ever there was one!

Ah, Ben, I misread you. I took "Yankee" in its pure Eastern seaboard sense. Sorry about that.

Posted by: shortstop on April 29, 2006 at 9:18 AM | PERMALINK

Tbozo:

The SUV is armored (you don't see a lot of armored subcompacts), and security people insisted Hastert use it.

Yes they INSISTED.

Otherwise, as you can tell from Denny's phyisque, he would have jogged back to work.

Posted by: Cruel troll killer on April 29, 2006 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

The SUV is armored (you don't see a lot of armored subcompacts), and security people insisted Hastert use it.

Someone would actually want to assassinate Hastert? Don't be a frigging idiot.

Posted by: raj on April 29, 2006 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

Denny's just applying market solutions to the problem of high gas prices!

Drive an SUV, drive TWO cars, consume more gasoline, and the gas supply will magically go up!

Hooray for the Invisible Hand and the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on April 29, 2006 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

Someone would actually want to assassinate Hastert?

No, but they might want to eat him.

Posted by: craigie on April 29, 2006 at 12:55 PM | PERMALINK

No, but they might want to eat him.

Ugh. The guy's just creepy in every possible way.

Posted by: shortstop on April 29, 2006 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

wait, so in essence, he took TWO cars to this shindig, right? because the hybrid AND his SUV had to be driven there to be within a block of each other. way to save on gas, man.

Posted by: EM on April 29, 2006 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

Where are the pictures of Hastert leaving bathhouses at 3AM? Those are the kind of pictures that will make political change.

Posted by: Hostile on April 29, 2006 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK

Ha Ha Ha,

excellent pic and find !!!

http://liberalreason.blogdrive.com

Posted by: BJ on April 29, 2006 at 7:04 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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