I'm sure he just wants to spend more time with his Hookers.

I thought Bob Graham kinda liked Goss--halfway remember reading that in Graham's book--so I've also given Goss the benefit of the d.

Oops.

Oh, your Bush-hatred is overwhelming. This is just a means to better protect us from all the brown people who are trying to kill us!

I can only hope he resigned over hookers.

I'm afraid he resigned because he was the first rat off of a sinking ship.

I'm really afraid that he resigned because he wasn't going to be a part of some more intelligence cooking to lead us into yet another war, or in the case of Iran, air strikes.

My theory -- the long-timers in the Agency took an opportunity to do a little refresher training, just to maintain currency, mind you, outside the Westin and Watergate.

Pushpack, plain and simple.

I'm sure they were thrilled when Dear Leader sent Goss, an obvious zampolit to Langley to make sure the CIA was aware of and aligned with the latest Party doctrines.

That his resignation is effective immediately really suggests he's looking at indictment.

Joe Wilson outed his own wife. And Fitz can't prove that Wilson outing his own wife actually caused any damage.

from York at NRO:

Lewis Libby defense lawyer Theodore Wells told a federal judge a short time ago that the Libby defense team has located “five witnesses who will say under oath that Mr. [Joseph] Wilson told them his wife worked for the CIA.”

Wells said he expects that prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will call Wilson himself to the stand to rebut those accusations.

Today's hearing concerning what evidence Fitzgerald is required to turn over to the Libby defense team turned into an extended discussion of whether jurors will be allowed to assess Joseph Wilson's credibility vs. that of the administration as it concerns the reasons the U.S. went to war in Iraq. Prosecutor Fitzgerald told the court, "We don't want to try the war. The courtroom is not a reasonable place to try the war. Judge Reggie Walton seemed to agree, saying, "I'm not going to let this case end up being a judicial examination of the legitimacy of the war."

In the hearing, prosecutor Fitzgerald suggested that he would offer the Libby defense team some proof that Valerie Plame Wilson's status at the CIA was classified. But as he had said earlier, Fitzgerald again said, "We will not offer any proof of actual damages" caused by the revelation of Plame's identity, although Fitzgerald said "the issue of potential damage will come up several times" in the trial.

Great, isn't it, that we had as head of the CIA a man who was so vulnerable to blackmail? Just the kind of top-quality pick you'd expect from the serially incompetent Bush team, the people who thought that corrupt, mobbed-up goombah Bernie Kerik would be a great head of Homeland Security and that Harriet "Best Friends Forever!" Miers would make an august Supreme Court Justice.

Christ, imagine the damage if some foreign government had gotten hold of Goss' involvement in this hooker scandal and had threatened to expose him unless he played along?

(To the tune of "Love and Marriage")

Goss and call girls,
Goss and call girls,
Go together like ballet and big twirls,
This I tell you brother,
You can't have one without the other,
Goss and call girls,
Goss and call girls,
It's an institute you can't put in curls
Ask the local gentry
And they will say it's elementary

Try, try, try to separate them
It's an illusion
Try, try, try, and you will only come
To this conclusion

Goss and call girls,
Goss and call girls,
Go together like ballet and big twirls,
Dad was told by mother
You can't have one without the other

My money says he's already winging his way out of this country, off to some place warm and sunny with no extradition and plenty of yound, cheap hookers.

i read someone speculate that he might try running for Senate in FL. i don't know if there's any confirmation at all for that, though.

i like the way NSA Mole thinks.

On the plus side, if he does get indicted over hookers, then this will be a scandal that the media actually want to cover.

shorter Bla3: "LOOK OVER HERE!!!"

fat tim russert, in his always helpful attempts to propel the propaganda, said the john negroponte appointment had usurped alot of goss' authority. so, that and the general unhappiness with the cia purges led goss to weeks ago begin discussions about his departure.

and if you believe that one, you too can be a major media infotainment host.

The downfall of Porter Goss couldn't be more fitting. In the wake of the CIA's utter failure on 9/11 and its abdication to the White House on Iraq WMD, President Bush appointed a partisan hack to lead the American intelligence effort during the war against Al Qaeda. During the 2004 election, then Congressman Goss and House intelligence committee leader repeatedly attacked Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, including a bilous op-ed piece titled "Need Intelligence? Don't Ask John Kerry." Upon taking the reins of the CIA, Goss started a politically motivated purge, driving essential senior analysts and leaders out of the agency. And back in February, Goss penned a cynical New York Times op-ed ("Loose Lips Sink Spies") threatening to persecute leakers and claiming that he "filed criminal reports with the Department of Justice because of such compromises," while maintaining silence of the outing of CIA agent and Iran nuclear program expert Valerie Plame. As Goss put it in 2004, "Somebody sends me a blue dress and some DNA, I'll have an investigation."

For the full story, see:
"Goss Goes Down Over HookerGate?"

Christ, imagine the damage if some foreign government had gotten hold of Goss' involvement in this hooker scandal...

Tee hee, what'dya mean "if"?

The children! Whatever will we tell the children? Just how are we supposed to sit down to dinner with the children (who are our future) tonight and explain to them that the man Bush picked to head the CIA has a thing for paid prostitutes?

If only we could restor honor and integrity to the White House....

Yup, yup BlaBla

And what does this have to do with Porter Goss resigning?

And do you really want to put money on yet another fun fact from NRO (or is it TNR? hard to keep it straight...)

It's just an unbelievable example that image is everything that an administration that:

ignored direct warnings of an impending attack,
ignored direct warning of impending disaster in launching a war,
crippled the intelligence communities analysis capabilities,
Appointed an incompetent as Secretary of Defense,
Added huge, inefficient bureacratic layers both in Homeland Security and national intelligence,

is still, for some reason, given good marks on natinal security by about 40% of the populace.
Wow.

Even Shorter Bla...

"Bla"

I don't think we have any reason to believe that Goss would have any crisis of conscience about sexing up the intelligence for an attack on Iran. So I'm going to assume that the abruptness of this unspun by the White House resignation means that this gentleman, rated 90-something by the Christian Coalition while he was in Congress, has been busted in hooker heaven.

Oh, and I like the theory of imminent indictment, too!

Presidential Medal of Freedom? Are you kidding?!

It's not like he drummed up fake intel for a war, or anything. It's not like he radically underestimated the number of troops or length of a military campaign.

Sure, he quashed a few investigations, and fired someone who may or may not have leaked information that could have embarrassed the White House. He might rate a Presidential Citizens Medal, tops.

Go surfing and see all the good coup taking on the MSM missing the implications of Goss: Russert, CNN et al thought it was normal, a "new blood" shakeup, etc. - instead of the likely entangling of Goss in Hookergate related mess, as predicted by some bloggers awhile ago. No wonder the fuddyduds resent bloggers, who are almost always ahead of the curve on whatever happens.

When did Goss become director?

AP has it as September 2004, but CNN puts the date in April 2005.

Seems like something that should be easy to verify, no?

Seriously, is there any member of Bush' team, any at all, that isn't either a professional whore or someone who uses their services? Just one who's not morally or ethically corrupt?

Stefano: The children! Whatever will we tell the children? Just how are we supposed to sit down to dinner with the children (who are our future) tonight...

Heh. I particularly dig the "(who are our future)" addition.

Honey, just tell them that at least he's not a pedophile, like the top tiers over at the HSA!

This explanation that Goss resigned because he was passed over for national intelligence director is ridiculous. Did Goss just wake up this morning and suddenly realize that Negroponte was appointed more than a year ago? A surprise resignation, effective immediately, clearly is related to something happening right now, not some year-old slight.

I have it on good authority that the "escorts" were suspected bin Ladenite operatives, and Goss was participating in a deep cover op. Why must liberals sully the obvious heroism of this great, great American?

Maybe they were male hookers?

The CIA website isn't much help:
"Porter J. Goss became Director of the Central Intelligence Agency on April 21, 2005. He served as Director of Central Intelligence from September 24, 2004, until April 21, 2005."

Did Goss just wake up this morning and suddenly realize that Negroponte was appointed more than a year ago?

Given how badly he did his job, maybe the answer to this question is yes. Clueless about every kind of intel, maybe?

Stefan: rock solid! It can't be fun to be part of the backwash generation now.

The confusion is one of job titles and responsibilities not of when he started in the position as Director of the CIA which was September 24, 2004.

April 21, 2005 is the date that John Negroponte was sworn in as the Director of National Intelligence. Prior to that, the Director of the CIA was also the nominal head or coordinator of all of the U.S. intelligence agencies.

Seriously, is there any member of Bush' team, any at all, that isn't either a professional whore or someone who uses their services?

I think the guy who works in the little guard tower outside the White House is pretty much ok. Otherwise, you've stumped me.

Looks like we've got another candidate for the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

C'mon he's Republican - he couldn't be THAT good.

From Goss' resignation statement:

Over the next few weeks, I will be here to ensure a smooth and professional transition

Kinda like a wet blanket on the party.

C'mon he's Republican - he couldn't be THAT good.

No, he's not.

And now I see at TPMmuck:

Goss was told to fire Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, his troublesome Executive Director, and Goss refused. That's what we're hearing now from knowledgeable sources.

I think the guy who works in the little guard tower outside the White House is pretty much ok.

Uh, well, actually...

Bush's statement about the surprise resignation was typically uninformative:

Bush said Goss ``led ably'' and helped the agency in a ``time of transition.''

`I appreciate his integrity, I appreciate his honor that he brought to the job,'' Bush told reporters at White House.

How soon until Peter Goss's hand picked number 3 man at the CIA resigns, Dusty Foggo?
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008376.php

At first we were miffed at the 4:15 message from The Hookers--cheerleading is a competitive sport, you know--but then we realized the GOP has plenty of business for all of us. Here's to career success, sistahs (and brothahs!

To deal with the troll/NRO idiocy.

It was no secret that Valerie Wilson worked at the CIA. The secret was what her status was and the work that she did. She was not required to keep that a secret.

And the case against Liddy and likely Rove at this point is not about giving anything away about her, but issues of perjury and obstruction of justice. Even if revealing Wilson's status was not criminal (and that has hardly been proven), it has NOTHING to do with Liddy's and Rove's actions in this case.

And if there was no reason to keep all this a secret, WHY did they perjure and obstruct?

Trust me, "Dusty" was a lot of trouble when I had to deal with him...

Goss "resigned" because word got out that he is having a homosexual affair with someone in DC.

"Bush appointed scum as diretor as CIA." I kind of like that as a campaign slogan.

An unlikely but not entirely implausible theory: Goss, a seven-term congressman from Florida, has been recruited to run against the disastrous Katherine Harris in that state's GOP senate primary. The deadline for registration is May 12.

Republican Culture of Corruption:

Stay Focussed!

"Somebody sends me a blue dress and some DNA, I'll have an investigation."
- Porter Goss, on the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame, October 2003.

Shouldn't it be renamed ... the Presidential Medal of Keep Your Mouth Shut.

"Goss "resigned" because word got out that he is having a homosexual affair with someone in DC."

Where's JimmyJeff?

"Somebody sends me a blue dress and some DNA, I'll have an investigation."

I wonder what color his hooker's dress was.

I look forward to conspicuous silence from right-wingers who were so "concerned" about the national security implications of Clinton having oral sex with Lewinsky.

hopeless pedant:

That's Libby not Liddy.

Getting your spooks confused?

I always knew Goss' story wouldn't have a happy ending...well, not one that he didn't pay for, that is.

So Porter Goss got the hook... er, it seems. :-)

Prior to that, the Director of the CIA was also the nominal head or coordinator of all of the U.S. intelligence agencies.

Or, rephrased slightly to more accurately reflect titles, the Director of Central Intelligence, in addition to being the coordinator of all US intelligence agencies, was also directly responsible for the Central Intelligence Agency. When the "Director of National Intelligence" was created to take the DCI's old coordinating role, Goss, the former DCI, became the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, retaining responsibility for the CIA only.

Lewis Libby defense lawyer Theodore Wells told a federal judge a short time ago that the Libby defense team has located “five witnesses who will say under oath that Mr. [Joseph] Wilson told them his wife worked for the CIA.”

Last I looked, Libby was charged with perjury. Even if Wells' claim were true, its about as relevant to the case against Libby as if his attorney said he could produce 5 eyewitnesses that would say under oath that they had seen Elvis at Wal-Mart.

BlaBlaBla: "Joe Wilson outed his own wife. ... from [Byron] York at NRO: Lewis Libby defense lawyer Theodore Wells told a federal judge a short time ago that the Libby defense team has located 'five witnesses who will say under oath that Mr. [Joseph] Wilson told them his wife worked for the CIA.' ..."

Yeah, right -- and Karl Rove didn't have anything to do with this, either, just like Scott McClellan said. Weren't you also telling us a short time ago that the judge would dismiss the charges against Libby for the same reason?

These so-called "witnesses" may well be no more reliable than those who also came forward last-minute just prior to the commencement of Mike Tyson's rape trial, claiming that the victim, Denise Washington, told them that she had actually wanted it from Big Mike real bad.

After an evidenciary hearing on the matter, the judge ruled against their veracity and refused to allow the testimony.

That incident revealed the desperation of Tyson's fans, both in the public and in the media, i.e., "Who are you going to believe -- me or your own lying eyes?" They were so emotionally vested in their guy that they were perfectly willing to blame the victim for the commission of the crime itself, regardless of the evidence indicating otherwise.

Substitute the name "Bush" for Tyson in the previous paragraph, and both you and Byron York of National Review appear no different.

Whatever. I'm perfectly willing to withhold my opinions until the judge determines both the veracity of the witnesses and that testimony's relevance to the pending charges.

But be forewarned -- the further forward a legal proceeding moves, the dimmer the view that most judges will give to any attempts by either the defense or the prosecution to offer up last-minute evidence or witnesses, regardless of whether such evidence or testimony is either exculpatory or incriminating.

The veracity of such evidence or testimony will thus be subject to very rigorous scrutiny by that judge prior to any ruling from the bench on its admissibility into those proceeedings. These witnesses will unndoubtedly be asked to account for their failure to come forward earlier.

Therefore, don't be too surprised if the judge eventually rules against "Scooter" Libby on this matter, having concluded that such evidence, if indeed so crucial to the defense as to be potentially exculpatory, by all rights should have been revealed earlier to the special counsel by either Mr. Libby or the White House during the initial course of his investigation, before any indictments were issued in the case.

I'm sure that you'll still bitch and whine a lot if or when that happens -- you and your sorry-assed kind seem to do an awful lot of that lately -- but still, try not to act surprised.

>BB: "I wonder what color [Porter Goss's] hooker's dress was."

I wasn't aware that Jeff Gannon wore anything in his online ads, while trolling for sugar daddies like Porter.

Can't you do a simple Google search, Zach? GHW Bush, a "politcal figure," served as head of CIA under Gerald Ford. Yes, Porter Goss was a congressman. But it's not uncommon for political figures to serve as head of CIA.

cmdicely:
"Last I looked, Libby was charged with perjury. Even if Wells' claim were true, its about as relevant to the case against Libby"

you might want to check the requirements for perjury.

DonaldforHawaii:

Libby was hardly required to produce witnesses as to Plame's cover, or lack thereof, before he was indicted.

The lunacy in these threads is sometimes astounding.

The lunacy in these threads is sometimes astounding.

Don't I know it!

"After the Wolves win the championship, this playoff cycle will be forever recognized as THE ASCENSION OF THE WOLF KING.

ps. Chinese sportswriters have christened Kevin Garnett 'Lang Wang.' When translated back into English 'Lang Wang' means 'Wolf King.'"

The lunacy in these threads is sometimes astounding.

I know what you mean. Just the other day some goofball was attempting to argue that Hitler was a socialist. Then, after he was humiliated for it, he turned around and sternly lectured someone else for being "an embarrassment to the right." Lunacy!

Goes around, comes around.

Bush Sr. was one of the CIA guys in the Bay of Pigs fiasco. He was also in Dallas the day Kennedy died. Just a coincidence I'm sure.

I'm pretty sure we'll never know what really happened to Porter Goss today.

Can't you do a simple Google search, Zach? GHW Bush, a "politcal figure," served as head of CIA under Gerald Ford. Yes, Porter Goss was a congressman. But it's not uncommon for political figures to serve as head of CIA.

Here's what I got from my simple Google search:

Bush's selection of a partisan to head the troubled agency was met with immediate criticism. At the time of the announcement, most CIA Directors had no political experience: the single exception was Bush's father, George H.W. Bush, who headed the agency from 1976-1977.

Senator John Rockefeller (D-WVa), the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, which held hearings on the nomination, declared that it was a mistake to select "any politician, from either party." Former CIA Director Stansfield Turner, who served in the Carter administration, called the nomination "the worst appointment that's ever been made because that's an office that needs to be kept above partisan politics."
(http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/11/144254)

Goss was reported to have participated in partisan instigation of the de-classification testimony that former White House terrorism adviser Richard A. Clarke gave in 2002. [3] (http://www.legalmemorandom.com/legalmemorandom/2004/week13/)

Thanks, Stefan. I think you already explained that to Paddy Whack's alter ego, Frequency Kenneth, the other day. Probably he just forgot,

you might want to check the requirements for perjury.

Okay, I checked them. I stand by my statement. You have an argument to make, somewhere?

shortstop: I know what you mean. Just the other day some goofball was attempting to argue that Hitler was a socialist. Then, after he was humiliated for it, he turned around and sternly lectured someone else for being "an embarrassment to the right." Lunacy!

Was that the same goofball who claimed that Omar Trujillo wasn't supported by conservatives in the US? Man, that guy needed to read some history books, and fast, because his ignorance was shameful.

you might want to check the requirements for perjury.

Yeah? And so what? How is whether Ambassador Wilson did or did not talk about his wife relevant to the perjury charge against Libby, which is that he lied to the grand jury under oath?

Okay, I checked them. I stand by my statement. You have an argument to make, somewhere?

cm, cm, cm. You know the drill. Nathan hits, misses, runs and watches his dismemberment from the wings. Wait 24 hours and repeat.

That might have been clearer had I said, "...and from the wings, watches his own dismemberment taking place."

That might have been clearer had I said, "...and from the wings, watches his own dismemberment taking place."

All the while screaming "I've had worse! It's only a flesh wound! You barely even nicked me! Come back here, you filthy cowards!"

Never
Admit
To
Having
Asserted
Nonsense

What I don't understand is, why these guys had to hold their whore parties at a hotel, where they could be caught, instead of some secluded private mansion like in "Eyes Wide Shut".

Nathan: "Libby was hardly required to produce witnesses as to Plame's cover, or lack thereof, before he was indicted. The lunacy in these threads is sometimes astounding."

That's clearly not what I said, as anyone who can read English could tell you.

I said, "[T]he further forward a legal proceeding moves, the dimmer the view that most judges will give to any attempts by either the defense or the prosecution to offer up last-minute evidence or witnesses, regardless of whether such evidence or testimony is either exculpatory or incriminating."

Obviously, Libby is not required to produce witnesses as to the supposed public status of Ms. Plame's cover. But once he came under the scrutiny of the special counsel as a potential suspect -- and he came under such scrutiny very early in the process -- it was in his best interest to come clean as to his involvement in this sorry affair. Instead, he chose to obfuscate the facts and mislead the special counsel, and that's why he is in serious legal jeopardy.

Any judge worth his or her salt would now hold an evidenciary hearing on this matter, and would rigorously question these 11th-hour witnesses as to why they failed to come forward sooner during the investigative phase, which was hardly conducted in secret.

I mean, really, Nathan, use your head for something besides growing hair out of your ears. We're talking over two years here since Patrick Fitzgerald was appointed special counsel!

Where were these witnesses during all this time? Why didn't they come forward when Fitzgerald was first trying to definitely establish Valerie Plame's status as a CIA non-official cover back in 2004?

At this point, it's up to the judge to determine the veracity of these witnesses, and if their testimony is admissible. The motives of such witnesses may be legitimately questioned by the prosecution, and the defense better well have some additional corraborating evidence that supports their testimony, because right now it sounds like they're grasping at whatever legal straws there are at hand.

I hate repeating myself. But then, you're obviously a person who jumps to conclusions and becomes verbally abusive simply because somebody says something that you don't want to hear.

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