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May 13, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

RIBBIT....Jason Leopold reports the Patrick Fitzgerald met with Karl Rove's lawyers on Friday to deliver some bad news:

During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.

.... It was still unknown Saturday whether Fitzgerald charged Rove with a more serious obstruction of justice charge. Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators.

An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown.

Hmmm. I vote for Thursday. Give the NSA story a little more time to simmer before we put it on the back burner.

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Too bad John Phillips Souza is dead. We need someone to write "The Frog March."

Posted by: Repack Rider on May 13, 2006 at 6:50 PM | PERMALINK

I believe the preferred spelling is "ribbit".

Posted by: ajl on May 13, 2006 at 6:50 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, this is nice. Wonder if Bush will refer to this in his speech on Monday--or at least lay some groundwork to minimize the impact.

Posted by: LeisureGuy on May 13, 2006 at 6:51 PM | PERMALINK

I believe the preferred spelling is "ribbit".

Oui, but "ribet" is so French, and we effete liberals love that.

Well, this should be an interesting week if this pans out.

Posted by: shortstop on May 13, 2006 at 6:52 PM | PERMALINK

Groundwork: "As part of our campaign planning, I'm asking Karl Rove to spend some time looking at what families want today, beginning with his own family."

Posted by: LeisureGuy on May 13, 2006 at 6:52 PM | PERMALINK

How reliable is this Leopold guy? It seems odd that such a big scoop would come from such an obscure source.

Posted by: aplomb on May 13, 2006 at 6:58 PM | PERMALINK

Karl Rove isn't even that important a figure in the administration. I see no fallout from this.

Posted by: Piquantly Kenneth on May 13, 2006 at 7:00 PM | PERMALINK

I love the smell of burning republican in the morning...

Posted by: koreyel on May 13, 2006 at 7:03 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe Bush will bomb Iran to deflect criticism re the Rove indictment. Being batshit insane, he's capable of anything.

Will the MSM be able to handle two stories at once?

Posted by: bebimbob on May 13, 2006 at 7:04 PM | PERMALINK

Lotta pardons be coming when Bush is lame duck.

Posted by: Matt on May 13, 2006 at 7:11 PM | PERMALINK

Will there be a "duck walk" out of the WH. I think this is the term Joe wilson used, maybe it was goose walked.

Posted by: lk on May 13, 2006 at 7:15 PM | PERMALINK

Damn, it was frog walked!

Posted by: lk on May 13, 2006 at 7:16 PM | PERMALINK

PS:

I love the smell of burning Cheney in the morning.

This maladministration has just entered the "catastrophe zone."

Yes... Houston... we've got a paper trail on Dick Cheney.

Which is to say... the self-levitation of evil that is BushCo is about at rope's end.

Go read Josh Micah Marshall NOW!

This repug shit just can't last much more...

Rope's end... AT LAST!

Go fucking hang yourself Dick Cheney...

Posted by: koreyel on May 13, 2006 at 7:18 PM | PERMALINK

OK, I changed it to "ribbit." That does sound more correct, now that you mention it.

Posted by: Kevin Drum on May 13, 2006 at 7:19 PM | PERMALINK

But ribet sounds, you know, French, and the French are frogs, for some reason I never really got, and so it's so, like totally circular, man. It works on so many levels, dude. I mean, wow, it just makes you think, right? Totally. Hey, is that joint still going? Pass it back, man.

Posted by: craigie on May 13, 2006 at 7:28 PM | PERMALINK

As much as I hope I'm wrong, I think this Leopold guy doesn't have much more credibility than I do about this. Still we should know next week, if the stories in the Times and Post were accurate about Fitzgerald making his move soon.

Posted by: Alan on May 13, 2006 at 7:32 PM | PERMALINK

Ribet is French? Is it a French toilet or something?

Posted by: BRussell on May 13, 2006 at 7:35 PM | PERMALINK

Wouldn't it be a gas if Pelosi showed up for the Congressional hearings in her with Witch costume with broom and all?

Pelosi, Stalinist hunter, looking for communists who have infiltrated the Republican party. She outta just say it, "I am in a bitchy mood, so get out of goverment or go to jail!" Seriously, it would cheer us all up.

I fact, she outta get one of those great big industrial brooms and carry it with her whenever she goes to congress. She could issue press releases claiming to have found 275 bonafide big government Republican communists in the Congress.

She could call Bartlett to the witness stand and he could testify how the Big government Reaganties secretly planned to grow the federal government until we were all a two class society.

Blow the whole conspiracy wide open.

Posted by: Matt on May 13, 2006 at 7:40 PM | PERMALINK

Now that the Bush haters' Bring Me The Head of Karl Rove campaign appears to be on the brink of success they would do well to contemplate rhe damage that their incessant carping about our President and each and every one of his actions no matter how insignificant has caused our nation especially at the time of such grave danger to our republic when our enemies are trying to hit us at the core of our very being.

Posted by: tbrosz on May 13, 2006 at 7:41 PM | PERMALINK

(transplanted from another thread),

Is it too early to suggest some connection to Dusty Foggo? Plame was working on the Iranian nuclear program, but she was also working, as apparently the entirety, of a company that filled in the background of undercover agents in which connection she might have had a lot to do with procurement executives, like Foggo.

Posted by: cld on May 13, 2006 at 7:43 PM | PERMALINK

Remember that piece Kevin had in October 2004, about how the second Bush term would be dominated by scandal?

That was awesome.
/Chris Farley

Posted by: tryoung on May 13, 2006 at 7:43 PM | PERMALINK

Hmmm. I vote for Thursday. Give the NSA story a little more time to simmer before we put it on the back burner.

Is this an admission that Fitzgerald's investigation is planned around how to give Democrats the most political advantage via cheap posturing? If so, I'm pleasantly surprised to see you're that perceptive and honest.

Posted by: American Hawk on May 13, 2006 at 7:44 PM | PERMALINK

Matt -- this thread is about Rove and a possible indictment handed down yesterday. Nice try, though.

Posted by: jcricket on May 13, 2006 at 7:48 PM | PERMALINK

Don't get too excited about this. Jason's track record for accuracy is poor.

Posted by: kimster on May 13, 2006 at 7:49 PM | PERMALINK

tbrosz - we have met the enemy, and he is us.

Posted by: lk on May 13, 2006 at 7:51 PM | PERMALINK

How come Kevin, the paragon of caution, the exemplary moderate and the thinking man's liberal, is ahead of atrios, the fire breathing leftist, on this?

Posted by: lib on May 13, 2006 at 7:52 PM | PERMALINK

...contemplate rhe damage that their incessant carping about our President and each and every one of his actions no matter how insignificant has caused our nation especially at the time of such grave danger to our republic when our enemies are trying to hit us at the core of our very being.

Battered Citizen Syndrome.

Get some counseling...

Posted by: Tom F on May 13, 2006 at 7:52 PM | PERMALINK

"Jason's track record for accuracy is poor."

Hmm. Got some examples?

Posted by: Joel on May 13, 2006 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

The 'get Rove's affairs in order in the next 24 hours' part doesn't ring true. He's not about to be arrested (like Rush Limpdick) - Scooter wasn't.

And how does the 24 hours relate to a public announcement: is it usual for a prosecutor to inform the defendant prior to announcement - which surely won't come over the weekend?

Sounds like Jason Leopard got at least some bad info - although he is a good investigative reporter (originally from the Dow Jones- WSJ)

Oh when the frogs, come marching in....

Posted by: JimPortlandOR on May 13, 2006 at 7:54 PM | PERMALINK

The 24 hour forewarning may be more for the White House than for Rove personally.

Posted by: lib on May 13, 2006 at 7:57 PM | PERMALINK

I'm thinking that it's really still too early to be celebrating. Leopold told us all last fall that there would be twenty-something (22?) indictments being handed down in October. All we got was ol' Scooter. I do find some assurance that Jeralyn at Talk Left is treating Jason's report as credible. But it's still not enough to pop the Veuve Cliquot cork - yet. I have to admit though, I am holding my breath. The thought of Rove froggy marching across the White House lawn would give about two hundred million people a bit of satisfaction. Maybe more if one looks for a global audience.

Posted by: jcricket on May 13, 2006 at 7:57 PM | PERMALINK

"Now that the Bush haters' Bring Me The Head of Karl Rove campaign appears to be on the brink of success..."

Thank you.

But note:
I consider myself a RATIONAL Bush hater.

Been that way since the first time I heard the fuckhole speak (Nov of 1999). I will never forget my wonderment in that instant: YOU MEAN THIS ASSHAT IS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT???? WTF?

The guy is a brute.
Born to a brute family.
Surrounded by brutes.

The absolute best thing AMERICA can do is to trod this fucker underfoot.

He is a failure.
He is an embarrassment.
He is a criminal.

He needs to be crushed by our system of checks and balances.

Totally + Totally + Totally crushed.

We can be a country again after that.

Posted by: koreyel on May 13, 2006 at 7:59 PM | PERMALINK

I have to say, that report just doesn't sound right to me. Reads like real journalism, contains massive, incredible scoop that no one else in the media has touched. I dunno. I'd be interested to hear more of what Leopold has reported in the past.

Plus, Atrios hasn't picked it up yet, and it's been over an hour.

Posted by: DivGuy on May 13, 2006 at 8:01 PM | PERMALINK

Bob Ney, Scooter Libby, Karl Rove, Duke Cunningham and Jerry Lewis were all sitting in a bar. No wait, I meant behind bars.

Posted by: trifecta on May 13, 2006 at 8:01 PM | PERMALINK

I'm going to wait until its official, then I'll harp.

Posted by: Boorring on May 13, 2006 at 8:15 PM | PERMALINK

So, Duke Cunningham walked into a bar.
And said "Ouch!"

(see he was sleepwalking, and 'cause he's in prison he can only go a few steps before ... oh nevermind.)

Posted by: kenga on May 13, 2006 at 8:16 PM | PERMALINK

It'll be funnier when it's Karl.

But don't forget to tip your waitron!

Posted by: kenga on May 13, 2006 at 8:18 PM | PERMALINK

I, too, am not holding my breath on Leopold's reporting.

However, he never made a report about 22 indictments last fall. For some reason, people attribute that to him, but he wasn't responsible for that one at all.

Posted by: Jim E. on May 13, 2006 at 8:21 PM | PERMALINK

If you details about Jason Leopold's problems with accuracy and the law, google his name and you'll find plenty of them. The kid has a very interesting history.

Posted by: kimster on May 13, 2006 at 8:24 PM | PERMALINK

Duke Cunningham walks into a bar, sits down and order three 18th century commodes. The bartender looks at him quizzicly and says, "We don't get much call for that around here." Duke responds, "And if you don't fork over 2.4 million dollars and a yacht you won't get much more, either." "How about a hooker?" asks the bartender. "How about twelve?" replies Duke. "Well," says the bartender, feeling a little more sure of himself, "why don't you try talking to that fellow over there?" "Who's that?" "His names' Dick." "Dick? Isn't he dead?" "That was Tricky Dick. This one's Trigger Dick. But don't tell him you know me."

Posted by: cld on May 13, 2006 at 8:26 PM | PERMALINK

Jim E. ~ Shows ya how fast bad information can catch on. Like this might be. Yeah, this cricket is hopin' it's true, but.....gotta wait.

Posted by: jcrick on May 13, 2006 at 8:31 PM | PERMALINK

All I have to say is - HAHAHAHA!! Couldn't happen to a more deserving worm.

Posted by: BB on May 13, 2006 at 8:32 PM | PERMALINK

I believe the indictment announced to the public will be next Friday - on a Friday, just like Libby's indictment last October. Actually, Jason Leopold isn't the only one announcing frogmarch time for next week. The other tact is to find out if AG Gonzales was there last Friday to hear the indictment and ask questions of the grand jury (he may have been there) - just like the Libby case one week before his indictment. So: one person says Rove has already announced to those near and dear to him, and another person reports Gonzales was at the GJ to hear the indictment read. Shall we go for three verifications?

Posted by: Aurona on May 13, 2006 at 8:33 PM | PERMALINK

I fantasize contantly about having Karl in my mouth.

Posted by: tbrosz on May 13, 2006 at 8:38 PM | PERMALINK

..and koreyel -- man, do I understand what you are saying at 7:59!!!

The sad thing is that I could have gotten over "stupid", if Bush had surrounded himself with truly good people. But no. We got a bucket load of deceit and incompetence. Apparently one's resume had only to include some kind of neo-con campaign work to get a job in the administration. We've been fucked since 2001.

Posted by: jcricket on May 13, 2006 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK

Just a question:
Who would be talking to Leopold, and why? Fitzgerald's people have been pretty good about keeping their mouth shut about things. That would leave Rove's lawyers talking to Leopold, but why would they want to leak that he is going to be indicted next week?

Where is the angle?

If Fitz met at Rove's lawyer's offices why havent we heard about that from somewhere else? I thought that the news agencies had people camped out there and following Fitz around just in case something happened. Who knows...maybe people out there is spreading false information bout this because it will take the heat away from something else big that is going to come down this coming week.

Posted by: zAmboni on May 13, 2006 at 8:41 PM | PERMALINK

re: I vote for Thursday.

What a Mother's Day present it would make.

Posted by: marc on May 13, 2006 at 8:44 PM | PERMALINK

Extraordinary description of Brent Wilkes' company headquarters and some of his byzantine machinations,


http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/05/wilkes-skyway-and-more-corruption.html


And who lobbied for TomaHawk II? In one of those scenarios familiar from Wilkes' Group W Advisors' situation, TomaHawk II is both a registered lobbyist and a lobbying client of itself, and a client of another lobbying firm (The P.A.C.E. Companies, now Pace-Capstone), back in 1998. Get your head around that.

Pace-Capstone represents Indian tribes and the Mariana Islands. In other words, we are suddenly thrust back into Jack Abramoff territory.

Posted by: cld on May 13, 2006 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, this is nice. Wonder if Bush will refer to this in his speech on Monday--or at least lay some groundwork to minimize the impact.

Hmmm? I'll bet Fitz's announcement is Monday, and Monday night's address is an attempt to make the indictment second page news.

Posted by: blank on May 13, 2006 at 9:11 PM | PERMALINK

Wayne Madsen saw Gonzales' car arrive at the grand jury location Friday, for what that's worth. (Dicier than Leopold in many ways, but this was in-person observation.) Notice to AG is courtesy when indictment of high admin official coming. I suppose it's conceivable he'd be there for another reason, but you'd have to come up with it...

Schuster at MSNBC also expects indictment announcement next week.

Leopold never said 22 people would be indicted; he may have gotten some other stuff wrong, but I don't know of anything of the kind that should make him radioactive. I certainly understand the impulse not to want to jinx this. I've had a tidy bet on this indictment for a while, and I'm still confident of winning, but it's taken a lot longer than I'd hoped.

Posted by: Nell on May 13, 2006 at 9:24 PM | PERMALINK

Truth be known, my "dead pool" bet is on May 18th. You are right about not wanting to jinx this. I would happily forego the 18th for any other date. As long as there is another date.

Posted by: jcricket on May 13, 2006 at 10:02 PM | PERMALINK

Does this get the Boy Emperor Clown Criminal's polls down to 25% ? How low did Tricky Dick get again ? We could have a real contest on our hands here.
.

Posted by: VJ on May 13, 2006 at 10:06 PM | PERMALINK

Hmmm? I'll bet Fitz's announcement is Monday, and Monday night's address is an attempt to make the indictment second page news.

That is about as cynical as this administration seems to be. Problem is, given Bush's tendency to rehash talking points, I'll bet he doesn't get a free pass on this one. It would be a great start for Tony Snow's--probably short--tenure.

Posted by: gq on May 13, 2006 at 10:30 PM | PERMALINK

It couldn't happen to a worse man.

In fact I'm not entirely sure someone as repellent as him really deserves to be called a man.

Also, why would you aspire to be the new Mark Hannah?

It's like aspiring to be a 3rd rate writer who is widely un-admired, and mostly forgotten a century later.

But I guess it explains how Mr. Bush managed to shit away the opporunity to become one of the five or seven greatest presidents in American history.

You model your life on mediocre vermin and you become one yourself.

Posted by: The Blue Nomad on May 13, 2006 at 10:44 PM | PERMALINK

Monday night's address is an attempt to make the indictment second page news.

Nah. A morning announcement, perhaps, but not an evening address unless he disembowels a Mexican on live television as a ritual offering to Lou Dobbs. (After which, Michelle Maglalang would write an impassioned condemnation of how much the Mexican bled on the Oval Office carpet.)

Posted by: ahem on May 13, 2006 at 10:48 PM | PERMALINK

Never in the history of this country did a man more deserve indictments and disgrace. But looking at the recent history and retaliation of the this administration--its daily nightmare and disgrace--I will not rest easy till the monster is in shackles. Much of the worst things done in the name of the American people were authored by Rove. He is all kinds of evil and I won't believe the demon will go easily to justice. But let us this evening unite and hope that this hugely happy event is true. The news of Rove's departure could cause the Dow to surge though--the closer the end of the Bush disaster, the better the economy; sorry Fox.

Posted by: Sparko on May 13, 2006 at 11:21 PM | PERMALINK

I pray that the report the Rove will be indicted is true! It makes sense that Bush would try something to divert attention and that is way he is going on TV Monday night.

Posted by: proudleftists on May 13, 2006 at 11:29 PM | PERMALINK

Now that the Bush haters' Bring Me The Head of Karl Rove campaign appears to be on the brink of success they would do well to contemplate rhe damage that their incessant carping about our President and each and every one of his actions no matter how insignificant has caused our nation especially at the time of such grave danger to our republic when our enemies are trying to hit us at the core of our very being.

Signed,

Tbrosz
Spokesman
The Party of Personal Responsibility (TM)

Posted by: chuck on May 14, 2006 at 12:22 AM | PERMALINK

What's wrong with me?

Posted by: tbrosz on May 14, 2006 at 12:36 AM | PERMALINK

"... try something to divert attention and that is way he is going on TV Monday night."

Perhaps the other way around, Rove is the diversion. How would you like to go on TV with a 26% rating?

Posted by: Matt on May 14, 2006 at 12:46 AM | PERMALINK

i'll keep a seat warm for you, karl.

Posted by: duke cunningham on May 14, 2006 at 1:43 AM | PERMALINK

"I believe the preferred spelling is 'ribbit'".

OR

Brekekekex ko-ax ko-ax

Posted by: susan on May 14, 2006 at 2:22 AM | PERMALINK

If Bush attempts a diversion, it could quite possibly backfire. I can't imagine people will appreciate him cutting into prime time AND blatently ignoring the (potential) Rove news with meaningless immigration talking points.

Perhaps we are thinking too small. Maybe Rove AND Cheney will resign, to prevent the constant trickle of bad news leading into election season.

That, or we are bombing Iran on Monday.

Posted by: thr on May 14, 2006 at 2:24 AM | PERMALINK

Now that the Bush haters' Bring Me The Head of Karl Rove campaign appears to be on the brink of success they would do well to contemplate rhe damage that their incessant carping about our President and each and every one of his actions no matter how insignificant has caused our nation especially at the time of such grave danger to our republic when our enemies are trying to hit us at the core of our very being.

Now that the lame goddess Justice appears on the brink of catching up to Rove, right-wingers would do well to contemplate the damage that their mindless support of a manifestly corrupt and incompetent regime has caused our nation especially at a time of such grave danger to our republic when our enemies are trying to hit us at the core of our very being.

Posted by: Wilbur on May 14, 2006 at 2:26 AM | PERMALINK

Ribbit? I like it Drum. You may redeem yr miserable self yet. Set snark phasers to stun and may the Fitz be with you.

Posted by: professor rat on May 14, 2006 at 5:23 AM | PERMALINK

But wait, there's more, this time concerning Trigger Dick. From MSNBC:

May 13, 2006 - The role of Vice President Dick Cheney in the criminal case stemming from the outing of White House critic Joseph Wilson's CIA wife is likely to get fresh attention as a result of newly disclosed notes showing that Cheney personally asked whether Wilson had been sent by his wife on a "junket" to Africa.
Cheney's notes, written on the margins of a July 6, 2003 New York Times op-ed column by former ambassador Joseph Wilson, were included as part of a filing Friday night by prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in the perjury and obstruction case against ex-Cheney chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.
Fitzgerald first alleged that Cheney had questioned whether Wilson's trip was a "junket" in a court filing last month. In that filing, Fitzgerald also asserted that the vice president, acting with the approval of President Bush, had authorized Libby to disclose portions of the classified National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq to rebut some of Wilson's claims.
But the notes provide significant new context to that assertion. They show the vice president personally raised questions about Wilson's trip right after the publication of the Wilson column-and five days before Libby confirmed to Time reporter Matt Cooper that he had "heard" that Wilson's wife, former CIA agent Valerie Plame, had played a role in sending him to Africa.

Even if the rumors regarding Rove's indictment are true (or false, for that matter), it looks like Fitzgerald isn't done quite yet...

Posted by: grape_crush on May 14, 2006 at 8:55 AM | PERMALINK

I'm all tingly, and Bush falls into the 20s.

Why do the American people hate America?

And T-bone & A Hawk -- I know you want to blame liberals and democrats for the consequences of the actions undertaken by republicans. I understand -- but remember when they used to call themselves the Party of Personal Responsibilty?

Posted by: Onomasticator on May 14, 2006 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

Stop, tbrosz, you're making me cry! It's all so sad, the poor Republicans being victimized!

We all know that Fitzgerald was personally appointed to his job by Michael Moore, and was given his marching orders by Hillary herself.

Posted by: Red on May 14, 2006 at 11:15 AM | PERMALINK

Tbrosz and other wingnuts remind me of a particular moment in history -

4/22/1945: "Hitler interrupted the report to ask what had happened to General Steiner's offensive...There was a long silence and then Hitler was told that the attack had never been launched, and that the withdrawal from Berlin of several units for Steiner's army, on Hitler's orders, had so weakened the front that the Russians had broken through into Berlin. That was too much for Hitler. He asked everyone except Keitel, Krebs, Jodl, Burgdorf and Bormann to leave the room...Then Hitler started jumping up and down, while he ranted and raved. His face turned white and purple in turns, and he was shaking all over. His voice kept breaking, as he screamed out the words disloyalty, cowardice, treachery and insurbordination. There followed accusations against the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS, of the kind that previous explosions had brought out in somewhat milder form. His outburst culminated in the oath that he would remain in Berlin, with the Berliners, that he would lead the fight personally - let all who wish to desert him and the city do so now. And then something happened that none of those present had ever seen or expected to see: Hitler suddenly returned to his chair and collapsed. Sobbing like a little child, he stammered out: 'It's all up...the war is lost...I shall shoot myself." (Boldt, The Last Days of the Reichs Chancellery)

Posted by: Speed on May 14, 2006 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

Jason Leopold is not a credible journalist. His crash and burn with Salon a few years ago was the end of his role in mainstream journalism. Details are here: http://tinyurl.com/qmmjy and here: http://tinyurl.com/jkpfb

Kevin, you're better off ignoring this flake and concentrating on the work of mainstream journalists who take accuracy seriously.

Posted by: Bradley J. Fikes on May 14, 2006 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

. . . especially at the time of such grave danger to our republic when our enemies are trying to hit us at the core of our very being.

Yes, it really does seem that they hate us for our freedom.

They can't stand the 4th Amendment, they don't like the 1st Amendment, they sure as hell don't believe in the 9th and 10th Amendments - and they want to repeal the 22nd.

On the other hand, I predict that these enemies of American Freedom are going to be using the 5th amendment a lot.

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on May 14, 2006 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, I am, a hypocrite.

I chastise the Democrats using perverse logic designed to confuse and muddle the issue, and when someone on my team does the same thing, I seek to rationalize it. I am a fraud, and no different than any other partisan. Any attempt at debating by me should be viewed with much suspicion, for I am not interested in find the truth, but in defending the traitorous actions of my team. This goes for everything, because I am a fraud.

I also fuck myself to Ann Coulter's Adam's Apple.

Posted by: tbrosz on May 14, 2006 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

RIBBIT!!

Posted by: Ten in Tenn on May 14, 2006 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

Fikes: Yes, we all know the mainstream media is right out there on top of every important story.

(Sarcasm mode off)

Posted by: Huxley on May 14, 2006 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

Huxley,

For good reason, Leopold has a reputation for being wildly inaccurate. Use him as a guide and you'll soon be wearing a foil hat. You might follow the links I provided.

Posted by: Bradley J. Fikes on May 14, 2006 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I can see why people are wondering about Leopold, but it's the actual character of the situation that I noticed, not the messenger. What bothers me about the Leopold report at Truthout (http://http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml/ may be the latest) is his claim that Fitz indicted Rove, in some sense, but didn't make a public announcement and report it to the media - huh? It doesn't scan, much as I want to believe it. Please, this not panning out would lead to such a sobbing letdown - but then maybe we'll get Cheney as a consolation pony!

Posted by: Neil' on May 14, 2006 at 8:22 PM | PERMALINK

I think that was a record for fake Tbroszes in one thread. And they were even arguing with one another - not the sharpest blades in the drawer, I have to assume.

Posted by: Botecelli on May 15, 2006 at 8:13 AM | PERMALINK

Leopold told us all last fall that there would be twenty-something (22?) indictments being handed down in October. All we got was ol' Scooter. I do find some assurance that Jeralyn at Talk Left is treating Jason's report as credible. But it's still not enough to pop the Veuve Cliquot cork - yet. I have to admit though, I am holding my breath. The thought of Rove froggy marching across the White House lawn would give about two hundred million people a bit of satisfaction. Maybe more if one looks for a global audience.

Posted by: jcricket on May 13, 2006 at 7:57 PM | PERMALINK

The nature of the Grand Jury beast is that even accurate reporting might not be borne out until the end of the process, when Fitzgerald delivers all his conclusions.

Until then, when and what we got, compared to what Leopold reported, means very little.

It's not only a pointless exercise, but it does not come close to approaching a constructive or responsible stance towards the issue as a whole.

Where are your sources? Where are your facts?

I don't presume to know whether Leopold and Pitt are correct or not -- but there's little-to-no actual evidence to the contrary. When Fitzgerald bares all, then we'll have some idea of whether the 22-count indictment story, or any of the other reporting, passes muster.

Until then, it would be constructive to actually deal with the available reporting itself, rather than repeat this perverse meme that some reporter is unreliable. Aren't they ALL?

Hell, Matthew Cooper was unreliable as hell. Let's make sure that every blog expends every effort, at EVERY opportunity, to point out that Matthew Cooper is unreliable. Let's do this EVERY time he publishes a story, and EVERY time TIME magazine puts out anther issue. After all, he knowingly lied to his readers, he knowingly printed falsehoods put out by Rove and also denying, on his own, knowledge of and participation in the Valerie Plame leaks.

But by all means, eat one of your own without access to all the facts. True the alternative sucks because Fitzgerald won't leak like Ken Starr, but them's the breaks...

Posted by: SombreroFallout on May 15, 2006 at 10:19 AM | PERMALINK

I think that was a record for fake Tbroszes in one thread. And they were even arguing with one another - not the sharpest blades in the drawer, I have to assume.

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