The hardest part will be finding honest Republican lawmakers willing to put country before party.

Done right, a promise of oversight can be a powerful campaign issue.

Great plan Kevin. Democrats should broadcast their plan to be a obstructionist, do-nothing party with no plans for America but to bash Bush. There's a surefire campaign slogan!

Investigate. Indict. Impeach.

Time for America to flush Turd Blossom and his loathsome shit down the toilet.

The GOPers sure are afraid of something.

A sign of guilty consciences?

Why not use the GOP parameters here?

The GOP congress spent $70 million and five years investigating a real estate deal, which took place before the Clinton presidency, in which Bill Clinton lost money. The result of all this investigation could be summed up in one sentence. No crime was found to have taken place. A single unfounded accusation was enough to occupy dozens of investigators and attorneys for years.

This means that the GOP standard for investigating presidents is that no crime is necessary to invoke a lengthy investigation. Investigations can be conducted just to SEE if a crime can be pinned on the president.

Should that standard be applied to, say the Harken trade, or the extra $12 million GWB received over the value of his share when the Texas Rangers were sold?

In 1998 a GOP congress defined the threshhold for impeachment by impeaching Bill Clinton for telling a lie that was not a crime, about an event that was not a crime, in a forum of absolutely no importance to the Republic, and which had no consequences to the Republic.

George W. Bush lied to Congres, which is a federal crime. The events he lied about were of great importance to the Republic and resulted in many deaths and taxpayer expenses. Shouldn't the Republican standard for impeachment be applied to him?

Uh...Repack Rider,

there is no sex involved. therefore, no investigations of W are indicated, according to the GOP. In other words, IOKIYAR.

Yes, liberals will triumph once again by complaining that Bush is incapable of achieving a perfect solution to every possible problem. It seems the only thing that would satisfy the left is metaphysical certainty that no better course of action could have been take.

I can imagine the investigations now, boldly finding out who picks out George Bush's ties and why he uses a half-windsor knot.

"Great plan Kevin. Democrats should broadcast their plan to be a obstructionist, do-nothing party with no plans for America but to bash Bush. There's a surefire campaign slogan!"

Yes, because both parties are at their best right now. Do you even care what happens to our country, or would you like to just smirk your way into oblivion?

Repack Rider wrote: "In 1998 a GOP congress defined the threshhold for impeachment by impeaching Bill Clinton for telling a lie that was not a crime, about an event that was not a crime, in a forum of absolutely no importance to the Republic, and which had no consequences to the Republic."

I respectfully disagree. To heterosexuals of President Clinton's generation, "have sex" means intercourse, and nothing else. So, when President Clinton said, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky," It was literally true. And as for his deposition in the Paula Jones trial, the definition supplied was so bizarre and convoluted that President Clinton was right to provide a negative answer based on his understanding of the supplied definition.

In short, I do not accept any proposition that includes that President Clinton lied when denying having had sex with Ms. Lewinsky.

What are the Republicans so afraid of? I know what those Republican leaders who have committed numerous crimes are afraid of, but what of the everyday Republican voter? I don't see a compulsion to cover up the crimes of their representatives...

I was calling for investigations if the Democrats won the presidency in 2004, and that was investigations exposing Bush Sr. day forward, and I feel all the more strongly about such investigations with a congressional victory in 2006.

It's time for the crimes to stop.

Since Iran-Contra, there has been a serious constitutional crisis in this country, not to mention massive and epic failure of national security and strategic vision. The right wing has sold out the nation for electoral victories and get rich quick schemes. The latest in Iraq, where billions has gone unaccounted for, has merely been a transfer of funds from American taxpayers to Bush cronies. In a perfect world, the penalty for Bush would be life in prison or, if you believe in the dath penalty, execution.

After all, how many Americans have died in Iraq?

How many due to equipment shortages, crimping, or felonious mismanagement and misleadership?

Who is responsible? Accountable?

And, if you discovered that these same individuals got rich during all of this, allowed for their cronies to loot the public purse without oversight, what would be the proper penalty for that abject poverty of human feeling and criminal cynicism?

Forget the dignity of the office, and start considering the dignity of man, and woman, and put these bastards away. The whole crew deserve the worst the people and law are willing to give in terms of punishment.

jimm gets at the point i wanted to make: is there really a majority in america that doesn't want to know where the iraq reconstruction dollars went? or what the executive branch is doing to spy on american citizens? or how was intel handled prior to the iraq war?

PS. american hawk, our new favorite idiot, thinks that the problem is that bush hasn't come up with "perfect" solutions. in fact, you moron, he hasn't come up with any solutions at all, only new problems.

There's a way out for Bush, and it's not Rove-raging the country. It's resigning or at least doing the right thing the rest of the presidential way. That means fully funding the troops in Iraq, making sure they have all the equipment they need to have the best chance of returning home to their family, friends, and loved ones, and ending the madness and bringing the whole episode to a close, while, at the same time, giving federal and congressional investigators full scope to clean out the rot that has become our sick and twisted government led by greedy, corporate, conservative whores.

howard, keep giving them hell. some people will defend anyone but the fine men and women who get stuck in harm's way because of someone else's greed, ignorance, and avarice.

The crimes, by American historical standards are middling. Crimes by very recent standards are worse, thanks in part to Republicans investigating semen stained dresses.

The real issue, for Republicans, is that they lied to their base about goverment spending and economic policy. They lied so deeply they might have caused permanent ad very serious damage to the economy. The government pspending under Bush is starting to grwo very fast, accelerating, and they and us know it will throw us into a serious downturn within a quarter or two. But they are so deep into the lie about tax policy they cannot escape their own rhetoric.

So, Republicans would rather bear the threat of being investigated for tapping into telepone switches then to be investigated for extraordinary bad policy.

What I find funny, ironic and, at the same time scary, in all this is the Republicans are saying that if you elect a Democratic House, they will engage in investigations. Their point, in its essence, is that as with the Clinton investigations, that these are entirely political, without substance and just about acquiring or retaining power.

They're saying that there is absolutely no public interest in knowing how Federal money is spent, how decisions to go to war are arrived at, or how decisions to spy on, jail and "render" Americans. It's all just political. Anyone who says that we should adhere to the constitution is making a baseless, political argument.

There is no substantive policy issue to investigate, they say. It's all politics. This idea--that there are no substantive issues--is profoundly part of their pitch. As we watch the consitution shrivel up and die, we should at least expect our elected representatives, of both parties, to call bullshit on this.

Let me see if i understand. The public yearns for a Congress that will protect Americans from the excessess of an incompetent unaccountable administration gone wild, so Democrats have to refuse to tell the public that they are going to hold the administration accountable for either its incompetence or its excesses. If Congressional Democrats buy that they deserve to lose.

The real issue, for Republicans, is that they lied to their base about goverment spending and economic policy. They lied so deeply they might have caused permanent ad very serious damage to the economy.
Posted by: Matt

I'm curious ... are you suggesting that repub voters' concerns really do only go as deep as their pocketbooks? ... because the REAL issue, as I see it, concerns much worse lies than the aforementioned piss poor economic ones.

There's likely a way to show voters how it all links together, whether it's lying about wmds to invade iraq and enrich the oilmen, cheney, and other war profiteers; to lying about their bullshit "trickle-down" theories, to their lies regarding domestic spying.

it can be a very pithy message: republicans are corrupt liars beholden to corporate interests.

Yup, impeachment. That what the public wants.

the country really seems to be dividing itself
up into two groups:

group 1:the people who think gwb is one of the dumbest, most incompetent,arrogent assholes
in the history of the world

group 2:the people who feel gwb is our great
christian war leader leading a great modern crusade against those godless terrorists

about the only thing one can say,for sure, is
that the bush haters and the bush lovers are
getting more confrontational every day-----
election nov.'06 the blood could really
flow on the floor

I'm going to go f*ck myself right now.

McA: try to be a convncing troll!!

wscheid25:
That's the trouble right now. Really most people are in the middle with variations particularly on religious/moral grounds (abortion, gay marriage, etc.). Most people are solidly democratic (small d) and for negotiation and compromise. Every election, so few seats are actually at risk, the politics tends to the extremes at this stage. Right before the election they seek the middle ground (GWBush would be a classic example 2000 and 2004). Then it depends on the margin.

That's why Bush has done what he wants for 4 of 6 years; fuck the majority of the country. People should feel alienated. Rove thought he could cast a spell. Fool me . . . er, . . . well, yeah. The people know the saying!

Democrats damn well better learn from Bill Clinton’s mistake in 1992, when he demurred over continuing the investigation of “Iraqgate” wherein George H.W. Bush aided and abetted Saddam Hussein by secretly arming him and giving him the precursor chemical and delivery systems to gas his own people. We all know how well that turned out, don’t we? By not pursuing the criminal Bush family, Clinton essentially allowed his idiot son to seize power in 2000 and complete the destruction of America. Had Clinton gone after the elder Bush with guns blazing, none of the current mess we are in now might have happened. Clinton thought he was going to get bipartisan support as a result of going easy on the elder Bush, and instead got eight years of Republicans investigating his sex life and false accusations. The GOP also did not back one of Clinton’s initiatives, from the 1993 tax increases that led to a balanced budget in 1999 to attacking Osama bin Laden with cruise missiles in 1998 to the successful ending of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. If the Dems think dropping investigations into this hideously corrupt administration is going to win support from the snakes in the GOP, they better think again. Robert Parry has written extensively on this. I strongly suggest that every Democrat read it.

Remember – It is the winners that write the history books!

Who has the power? Who gets kowtowed to? Full article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1776439,00.html

"It must have seemed like a good idea at the time: the vice-president of the United States likes hunting, and you like the vice-president, so what better token of your appreciation than a gun? Dick Cheney received no fewer than four firearms as presents during 2005, according to the latest financial disclosure forms submitted by the White House.

"This was before February's incident involving a shotgun and his friend's face - after which giving Mr Cheney a weapon feels a bit like giving firelighters to an arsonist, say, or pretzels to a president.

"But the four guns, including a prewar Colt 45 revolver worth $6,125 (£3,250), barely account for a fifth of the value of the personal gifts Mr Cheney received. His $39,722 total dwarfs President Bush's tally of $17,316, according to the forms."

Exactly!

the Rove Strategy is so simple (and effective): turn your opponent's strength into something he has to defend. so, why are the Dems doing the same thing ?

it gets really hard to support a party that won't fight.

oops: so, why aren't the Dems doing the same thing ?

And their return on the $39,722 worth of investment oops 'gifts' are probably ten fold of American Hawks tax money.
Money he could have spent on war porn. Are you mad yet chicken oops american hawk?

idea is stupid, or more generously, accountability issues may appeal to some [angry liberals] and on some level be the 'right' thing to push - but are still beside the point when it comes to independents. Looking at new WaPo poll two things are clear: one, independents don't feel good about ANY politicians and therefore for one party to be thumping chest about integrity etc etc seems like a disconnect to me; two, the war remains the big issue with indies and the Dems still can't get that right and until they do [which may not be possible given the netroots antiwar rabble] I'd suggest they keep their powder dry and just let the GOP dangle. There's a danger in this of course, but given the Dems are at war with themselves viz the big issue any ambitously 'righteous' flanking manouver is bound to come up short in the face of an effective counter attack.

Born: July 4, 1776
Died: December 11, 2000
Rest in Peace

Remind you of clinton years at all?

At least this time, the crimes will be more serious.

And more than one.

R2K

The republican investigations of the 90's were frivolous. The matters under investigation did not involve the Constitution. The abuses of the bush administration are serious and are Constitutional abuses. It is the job of the congress to hold the executive branch to account for Constitutional abuses. Ignoring violations of the Constitution is dereliction of duty. Lanny Davis may not care whether the admin lied and manipulated to go to war, but the American people do. Most especially those who are serving in Iraq and their relatives.

Time after time Dems allow themselves to be put on the defensive, as in the last election, and they lose. There is no reason to back down from a strong position on accountability.

the gop looks like it is falling apart

Rove Blames Bush's Job Approval Ratings on War in Iraq

Just read the comments on this site - most of the Demo commenters want Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld investigated, impeached, drawn, quartered, and publicly humiliated. NOW.

So, why are Dems whining that people are noticing what they actually say?

Kevin - I think you're right on the framing. If Dems don't get ahead of the curve on this, it'll be framed in the moronic way Al did in his post. If Dems take the lead, I imagine conversations will go more along the lines of:

Voter: "What will happen if Democrats resume control of Congress?"

Candidate: "Congressional oversight will be restored."

I agree with Edo, above.

The standard the Republicans set under Clinton is that there has to be blow jobs for a presidential investigation to gain public support.

Failure to uphold the Constitution, lies, poor judgment, fraud . . . they all don't hold a candle to blow jobs.

Dems should be able to ask why the Repugs think Bush would be impeached. All the impeachment rhetoric is coming from Republicans. Why do they think Bush deserves impeachment?

Damn straight, Kevin. The Democrats should advertise their plans to spend the next 12 years of their majority tracking down and imprisoning the numerous Repukeliscum war profiteers, theives, plunderers, looters and other typical Repukeliscum assholes.

"We will take down Halliburton, and use the loot they have accumulated to cut the taxes of middle class Americans."

Sounds like a winner to me.

One trap the Democrats can't fall into is the GOP trick of "investigation=impeachment". Notice how often they try to equate the two (as they also did with "censure" when Feingold proposed that last month). For an example of what not to do, check out this Bob Kerrey quote from Sunday's NYT, completely letting the Republicans set the terms of the debate:

"'It's going to be very difficult to lead, because the loudest voices in both parties will be those that feel the strongest about their certitude,' [Kerrey] said. 'That's going to be the left: Impeach him! Investigate him!'"

What Dems need to do is turn it around so that investigation=oversight=accountability. Impeachment is a strawman. Even if you think it should happen, it won't. But accountability will happen, and it's vital to our democracy. It's also a winning political issue, if the Dems can avoid being mau-maued.

Yes, liberals will triumph once again by complaining that Bush is incapable of achieving a perfect solution to every possible problem.

No, Hawkshit, we'd be happy if he found an imperfect solution to any problem. Our standards aren't very high, and still he hasn't reached them.

Goodness how times have changed. About 50 years ago conservatives like Clarence Manion decried the corruption of the political machines, the spoils system and party allegiances to Wall Street and the money men. The old conservatives were against international intervention and big government intrusion into the lives of Americans. Conservatives like Manion were so angry with the establishment they laid the foundation for the conservative revolution.

George Bush represents the apotheosis of this revolution and the antithesis. Although his rhetoric is movement conservative his actions and those of his allies are everything but. You have to go all the way back to the 19th century to find such a corrupt culture in Washington. The scandals, the subterfuge and the fleecing of the public coffers is endless from Enron, to no-bid contracts in Iraq, Indian payola, election shenanigans, outing CIA agents, Dick Cheney’s secret energy task force. It makes Clinton’s oral sex and even Nixon’s break-in seem like amateur hour.

Certainly not since FDR or Lincoln (and they were dealing with real crisis) has any president claimed such sweeping executive powers. Far from recognizing the limited government that conservatives have cherished many historians think that Bush with his secret prisons, suspension of habeas corpus, extraordinary rendition, and wire tapping is the most imperial of all American presidents. Barry Goldwater rolls in his grave and Nancy Reagan prepares to fight the religious right over stem cell research.

Good post, Kevin.

So, why are Dems whining that people are noticing what they actually say?

they aren't.

The left speaks of needing Dems to win in ‘06 and ‘08 as if this will cure what ails the U.S. Dems won’t continue to dole out earmarks in an effort to placate local constituencies? Dems won’t game and manipulate the campaign finance system to maintain an edge in funding and electioneering? Dems aren’t personally just as greedy, self serving and chiefly interested in getting reelected as Republicans? Sure, there are areas we can hope for a different approach to governing. The judiciary and the enviroment would likely be treated far differently. Foreign interventionism might be reined in a bit. Reproductive rights might be maintained. These aren’t minor concerns and improvement would be appreciated. Nevertheless, I think expectations might be set too high for the electorate by touting how much things will change and get better under Democrats. At heart they’re the same bunch of money grubbing politicians we see on the right side of the aisle.

If the Democrats take control of the House and/or Senate, they will not engage in frivolous or purely partisan investigations. They'll be too busy with the legitimate ones.

The question should be framed as: What will the Republicans do if they retain control of both chambers?

They will continue the quagmire, allow further deterioration of our rights, and spend like even drunker sailors.

That being said, who cares what the Democrats will do if elected? They only thing we know for sure is that it won't be worse.

Few other ways to see the investigation issue.

1) Blood in the water. If the GOP is whining about an issue - and trying to scare democrats off of it. Then that should be a signal for the democrats to pounce. Pound away on investigate the crooks. Not as if there aren't enough examples.

2) In order to fix something you have to know what went wrong. Thus before we start spending billions of dollars we should look at what went wrong. And there are tons examples from history of oversight paying off: like Harry Truman in WW II.

And the democrats should just start making fun of this whole "trust us line".
Trust us on tax cuts: massive deficits.
Trust us on intelligence: 9-11, Iraq, and a CIA in shambles.
Trust us on war: Taliban coming back, Iraq burning, etc.
Trust us on disasters: Katrina.

You really want to trust these guys with all your private information, really?

And for gods sake, don't be nice about it. If it's laughable - laugh.

It is rather humurous to watch trolls like Al-hole, American Chickenhawk and Freedom Fucker defend the possible Constitutional abuses of their failed president, yet were most likely cheering on the sidelines when the GOP went after everything Clinton tried to do.

Support the troops? Not when Clinton sent them to Kosovo. "They're going to run out of bullets!" Remember that one, trolls?

States' Rights? Only when a dem is in office. The GOP screamed "unfunded mandate" at every program Clinton tried to get through (even when they were fully funded by the feds), yet have no problem instiuting unfunded mandates of their own (NCLB? Medicare?).

I'd be very hesitant to bring impeachment hearings. The political climate in this country sucks, and another round of impeachment will only further spoil the waters. However, there has to be accountability and, if for no other reason than to reaffirm Congressional oversite, dems should investigate alleged Constitutional infractions by this administration and Congress.

If investigations dig up something that is so onerous that the public demands impeachment, then so be it, but otherwise, I would shy away from going that far. Let Dumbya and his minions stew in office for 2 years under a democratic Congress watching his every move.

Wrote about here:

http://theangryliberal.blogspot.com/2006/05/dems-dont-be-afraid-of-fear-mongering.html

Repack Rider said it well.

Democrats need only open their remarks with a short history lesson about Republicans and investigations.

So, basically, "You're damn right we're going to investigate. We love this country and we want to run it right."

And you Bushfolk?

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

The right word here is "accountability". As in, "we'd like to restore accountability to the government."

"We think that those responsible for wasted reconstruction money in Iraq should be held accountable."

Theoretically politicians are elected to uphold the law. Dems should emphatically say no to partisan witch hunts but if they find laws have been broken they have a duty to uphold and enforce the law. That's just basic civics.

Leading up to the election, I say downplay the investigations issue. When Republicans raise it, say "What are you so worried about? We have bigger problems than that to address."

And we do. We need to mend the Constitution, the federal budget, the tax code, the residents of Iraq and the Gulf states, senior citizens, dysfunctional agencies . . . Bush & company will be leaving us a pile of work.

The Dems should turn the Republicans NSA talkingpoints back on them in regards to investigatng the president ie. if the president hasn't done anything wrong, why should he be worried about an investigation ?
Or, there is a lot of money unaccounted for in Iraq, we want to find it and the president wants to ignore it.

Dems should just keep repeating:

The short version:
Republican fearmongers want to sweep all their bad news under the carpet. We won't let them get away with it.

Slightly longer version:

Republican fearmongers want to sweep all their bad news under the carpet. They don't want you to know the truth, so they keep saying that looking into what Congress has been doing is a bad thing. We won't let them get away with it.

If there is no wrongdoing, they have no reason to worry. But with so many problems reaching the light of day, why shouldn't the American public get a chance to look behind the curtain to make sure everything is being run on the up and up?

Gee, some folks sure sound nervous. Remember: If you've got nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about. Just like with illegal wiretaps and phone record searches.

In my view, democrats don't actually need to be proactive in this area during a campaign. Let the republicans dig their own grave! If they can't find anything positive to campaign on and are forced to resort to fears of impachment as a center-point of their campaign, they're creating winning conditions for the democtrats all by themselves. Dem's could just take the high-road and if pressed, ask what the repub's are so afraid of, etc. More to the point will be substantive positions on issue of concern to voters - not saving repub hides, but national security and the like.

Democrats never put country before their own self interests. They didn't do it when the loathesome Bill Clinton lied under oath, obstructed justice, or suborned perjury and was impeached for same offenses. Of course, I wouldn't stake anything on most Republicans putting country before self either. It is quite funny though that you idiot libs try to say that what Slick Willy did wasn't that bad and that what W is doing is criminal. You got it all backwards as usual. You will continue to be on the wrong side of right and history. What a bunch of losers!

Maybe Dems' stock line should be, "No partisan witch hunts. But if you're talking to crooks, we want to know about it."

The Rude Pundit has some thought-provoking advice. He says Democrats should run on a platform of impeachment: "Give us a Democratic House and we'll impeach Bush."

The president's approval rating is around 30 percent. People regret voting for him. The Democrats should campaign on a platform of redemption -- by saying, "Yes, you made a mistake by voting for Bush in 2004. Make up for it by electing the Democrats, ousting Cheney and Bush, and clearing the field for an honest Republican presidential candidate in 2008."

Most Americans want Bush out of office. Why not campaign on a platform of tossing him out?

Wow, it's just amazing how many trolls insist that Bill Clinton did so much damage to the country because of a BJ! (and lying about it)

But lie about a war, personal records, or fiscal plans - no big deal.

But what it shows is that the GOP has always been pretty good at winning the race to the bottom. They're good at giving people dumb reasons to whip up hatred. Thomas Frank pointed it out, but it's just amazing.

And they're very good at tagging each major democrat with some negative - Dean - scream, Kerry - flipper flopper, Hillary - oh now many things? Pelosi - SF liberal (read gay), etc.

But to tie to the earlier post, the poll numbers show a huge opportunity for the Democrats in the fall. The question is how best to take advantage of it?

Pour money into a few select races - or build the nation-wide organization and try to build a wave of support? And - just let the GOP hang themselves - or attack while they're weak?

Kerry hesitated in the spring of 2004 remember, and stopped the attacks. So, I'd say pick a few angles and have at it: accountability, responsibilty and competent.

And the flip - do you trust these guys on anything? if you want more of the same vote GOP - if you want responsible gov't vote Democratic.

The Rethuglicans are sitting on the horse with the rope around their neck , and the rope is tied to a tree limb .
The democrats win the congress ! Keep your cool and start rebulding the government that they have destoyed
Starting with the tax code and banking rules and regulations . Remember just because a tourist has a baby in the U. S. A. does not make the baby a citizen of this country any more than a guest worker. Retool all of the rules that have tightened the vise on the american worker . REMEMBER REVENGE IS A POOR EXCSUE MOTIVATION ! !

There is another election coming up:

By JULIE WATSON
Associated Press Writer

Mexicans fear national caos

MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Police enraged by the kidnapping of six officers club unarmed detainees. A bloody battle between steelworkers and police leaves two miners dead. Drug lords post the heads of decapitated police on a fence to show who's in charge.

Less than two months before Mexicans elect their next president, many fear the country is teetering on the edge of chaos - a perception that could hurt the ruling National Action Party's chances of keeping the presidency and benefit Mexico's once-powerful Institutional Revolutionary Party, whose candidate has been trailing badly.

Some blame President Vicente Fox for a weak government. Others say rivals are instigating the violence to create that impression, hoping to hurt National Action candidate Felipe Calderon, who has a slight lead in recent polls.

A poll published Friday in Excelsior newspaper found 50 percent of respondents feared the government was on the brink of losing control. The polling company Parametria conducted face-to-face interviews at 1,000 homes across Mexico. The poll had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
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here come the hoardes of little brown people!

The thugs, as usual, have a good political strategy. Mid-term elections never produce a good(for America) turn out. If their base shows up, they may pull off an upset, no matter what the polls of disaffection say.

Considering the dire situation Bush has put us in, that might not be a bad thing. When 08 comes around, the thugs will have a hard time blaming the demos. The demos could be in a position for a clean sweep. Revenge may be sweet, but it is seldom productive.

Hey dems grow some balls.

What's wrong with saying that we will use the powers that the people give us? Forget all the Republicans' empty threats.

"Done right, a promise of oversight can be a powerful campaign issue."
I agree it's important to be aggressive. Republicans will try to label this as obstructionist. Democrats should label it as Congress doing it's job. Set the parameters of the debate on those line. If there are no improprieties, there is no need for investigations. Hammer that point, and Republican cries of obstructionism become implicit admissions of wrongdoing. "Why would this be a problem, Dr. Frist, unless you had something to hide?"

If the President and the GOP have "NOTHING TO HIDE" what do they have to worry about a little investigating? Just asking.

All the talk of impeachment is a little bit like all the talk of warrantless wiretaps. If he hasn't done anything wrong then he doesn't have anything to worry about.

In the 1990's the INVESTIGATING GOP logged 140 hours of sworn testimony investing Clinton's Xmas Card list. The current GOP doesn't even require the Attorney General of the United States to swear an oath before he testifies before congress.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/11/20/congress_reduces_its_oversight_role/

So does that mean Democrats should avoid the subject for fear of looking hyperpartisan?

No, I think they should offer to extradite Bush to Iraq. Let them handle the investigation.
.

Kevin

I am waiting for your smackdown of the most asinine columns that Max Boot has ever written that appeared in the LAT today.

"If the President and the GOP have "NOTHING TO HIDE" what do they have to worry about a little investigating? "

Brilliant, really, this is he Democratic counter strategy. I would change it a litle:

"If the president has done nothing wrong then why is the GOP worrying about ivestigations."

Then the cowardly Pelosi must be halfway out the door already then with latest confession that Demos "won't impeach Bush".

And this is wrong: "Republican lawmakers willing to put country before party". Shouldn't it be Republicans lawmakers willing to put the American people before corporate lobbiest seeing as the the GOP senate has rejected putting boarder security before Bush's redux visa plan.

Lou Dobbs is wrong too: Bush speech satisfies nobody because would satisfy corporate American.

AND Kevin is wrong too: Bush seems to have done a good job of targeting the political middle. Yea, if the middle is exactly what corporate Ameican wants.

But since when is doing what corporate American wants consider to be the middle? Bush doesn't want amnesty and doesn't want security - thus Bush only has the very same constituency that he's always served, it's same old visa plan without granting legal status and the only difference is giving coporate American a green light to hire illegal aliens.

There is nothing centrist about Bush's bill even is Kevin wants to pretend that is supposedly a new policy of Bush's and that its a centist policy. It only caters to coporate lobbiest just like every other bill Bush has ever tried to pass.

Pelosi needs to pledge not to run for President in 2008 regardless of what happens between now and then. I think that will frame the investigation/impeachment debate very nicely.

Matt,

Heck let's go one step further. "Since the President and the GOP Congress have such a spectacular record of success, they should welcome investigations so the 'Merican People truly get to appreciate how great things are.

All this success needs to be well documented so future Presidents and Congresses can use 2001-2006 as a template for good government."

Can't help thinkin' of ol'Laurel and Hardy here...
' NOW look what you made me do...'

See, if'n the GOP were not acting like such guilty criminals ( Plame, Phase 2, deficit, etc, etc ) then why should they fear investigations biting around their ankles?

See?

* HAD ENOUGH? *

On the whole perjury thing, Perjury isn't as simple as the GOP would have you made out to be at that time.

There's another element to it, that is pretty much ignored. The question has to be asked in good faith.

What that means, is that it has to be a solid question, asked with the expectation of a solid result. Most people have heard about the Clinton asking what the definition of "Is" is. What most people DON'T know, is that was just a bit of snark on Clinton's part. They spent the last 2 hours before that arguing about the definition of "sex".

This is kinda OT, but has anybody heard about the executive order signed by Bush on May 5, that allows the telcos to lie under national security?

Consider today's supposed capitulation to congressional oversight of the NSA programs. This shows how desperate Team Bush/Chenet is to get their man in to clean up. They want the confirmation hearing to back off and confirm Hayden. As soon as he is in they will imediately find ways to kill the oversight "cooperation". Either officially or by foot dragging.

Tradition dems would say, hey look he gave in we won. Dems who want to stay in power will call this prmise of "cooperation" for the ploy it is until they are given the unrevocable power to actually do the investigation. The Hayden grilling must be extraordinarily thorough.

I would rather have the Dems not investigate the President than have them collect our remains.

1) Call it oversight, not investigaion, use every quote that Arlen Specter has made before his series of cave-ins, cite Jim Leach's call for a "Truman Commission" for Iraq, I'm sure Hagel, McCain and other have made a lot of statements that they could use for cover. Let the press point out that Specter, Hagel et al have never followed through on their promise to investigate, I mean conduct oversight.
2) Hammer on the fact that Congress is a co-equal branch of government, not a glorified advisory board.
3) Every time a reporter brings up impeachment, act all surprised about the cart being put before the horse.
4) Every time a Republican brings it up, ask exactly what act of the administration they're worried about as a potentially impeachable action.

What we need to do is say "We will enact a death penalty for war profiteering."

The GOP is terrified because they messed up bigtime with Clinton.

Before Clinton, Impeachment was a super-serious nuclear option that had only been done once before 100+ years ago. Nixon quit rather than face it. it was unthinkable.

Now? It's happened within recent living memory. For Joe Average, it was not a big deal. Now it's just a routine procedure. The possible GOP defense of "Oh, impeachment will tear the country apart!" won't wash.

Kafka is laughing his ass off.

The President has signed an executive order that allows the DNI to allow telcos to lie to the public on matters of national security!

Theoretically, then, it's very easy to construct scenarios wherein American citizens, innocent or not, can be disappeared as in Latin American banana republics and no one can find out what happened. Forget about habeas corpus.

Thank you GOP. We really needed a security state. We just had too much freedom before GWB came to power.

Al...I'd love to know which other liberal/progressive blogs you are paid to make stupid comments on just so I can compare and contrast.
Should candidates run on a issue of if elected, they will do their job as it relates to Congressional oversight? Sure why not. I don't know how anyone but the most partisan can see clearly that having both the executive branch & the legislative branches being run by the same party is bad for America. Mixed government forces both sides to the middle, and that's a good thing.

"The mainstream press has picked up on this theme too."

The people in congress right now need to get busy and investigate corruption etc. in government. They need to follow the trail regardless of where it leads. We all know there are people from both parties that are dirty. It appears that right now the Republicans are in way deeper. This is likely because they have the power. Be that as it may clean government and oversight need to be on the top of the to do list of anyone that wants to be elected. The press should be making this the number one priority. Nothing else is possible, national security, protection of the American way of life, guarding the Constitution, none of it is possible with out cleaning up government. Of course the corporate owned press won't lift a finger for this and our "representitives" in congress won't either. Worst of all the lazy American voter won't do anything about it until things get worse than they are now.

They're either an opposition party or they're not.

If they're an opposition party, then the ONLY appeal they have is if they oppose, if they are for change.

If they're NOT an opposition party - then why should anybody vote for them?

It's really very simple - and frankly, they should either be Democrats, or change party affiliation.

It is quite funny though that you idiot libs try to say that what Slick Willy did wasn't that bad and that what W is doing is criminal.

Why don't you explain it to us Crummy? Spin away.

Gospel acording to Rove, Chapter I, verse 1:

"Thou shalt attack thy opponents' strengths by advertising that they are weaknesses. Thus will the press report that they are weaknesses, and the foes will become afraid of using their strength." In order to be employed as a DC Dem strategist, you must consistently fall prey to every Rove tactic. Thus, because Rove has declared that the next election is not about national security but the security of George Bush, all DC Dems--Carville, Begala, are you guys listening here?--are honor bound to tell their clients and interviewers that holding Bush accountable for his miserable failures is a terrible thing that no responsible Dem would want.

Dems can hold on to this advantage - and concentrate on the evils of the neocon imperial presidency ... OR

they can begin advancing the homosexual agenda.

Then ALL republicans willrun home to papa....dems never learn...

the solid center is terrified of a brokeback future.

KEEP YOUR GAYS IN THE CLOSET FOR SIX MONTHS - or you blow the whole advantage over the gopers.

A Hillary candidacy will achieve the same results.

The center right LOATHS the clintons. They thought a bush presidency would save us from the corruption and body count of the clintistas.

If the dems push a clinton presidency you know the FIX IS IN -- her face will bring out the most vociferous bush hater on the right -- to vote GOP.

AGAIN -- dems don't get it.

THE 2 H's -- Hillary and homosexuality will bring out the vote on the right. Dems will lose if they flaunt these two flag ships of the left.
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H PLUS H = H [hatred]

This is a no brainer.

If Republican's have nothing to fear, then why make the case that the public does?

Transperancy will bread clemency.

"The truth shall set you free." - Jesus H. Christ.

If your for freedom, your for truth, that means your for transperancy.

I thought Republicans were for freedom, or was that before they were against it.

I can imagine the investigations now, boldly finding out who picks out George Bush's ties and why he uses a half-windsor knot.

yes, someone should look into that.

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