We call it flatulence.

Speaking of the devil, where is that little shitbird?

We call it a tax credit.

"Without chemicals, life itself would be impossible" CEI must have hired the same P.R. firm.

Without carbon dioxide, the earth's ecosystems would collapse. After oxygen and nitrogen, it's the most important element in the atmosphere. It's very odd that liberals are opposed to something so life sustaining. It reminds me of how some high school kids got liberals to sign a petition trying to ban dihydrogenmonoxide a few years back. The fault is probably with teacher's unions; the scientific ignorance of the left is an artifact of low scientific teaching quality, which can be traced directly to the inability to fire poor teachers.

"We call it flatulence."

Nope. That's methane.

N20, we call it a party!

Thank God for coal plants and a billion cars burning gasoline. Wthout them, all life as we know it would cease to exist.

I don't breathe at all. I absorb oxygen directly through my skin. And my farts smell like flowers.

See, American Hawk just out-gassed methane.

C02: Hey, at least it's not CO !

It's very odd that liberals are opposed to something so life sustaining.

Yes, we're also against water because it destroyed NOLA.

+Better living through Carbon Dioxide.

+The warmer things get, the less need we have to burn energy to keep warm - its a win-win.

+CO-2: If its good enough for Venus, its good enough for Earth.

and AH's comments show just who the target audience for these commercials will be....

Ever watch a program on Venus? Just google it and look what the atmosphere is made of, loads of good old CO2. No life there yet according to the ad Venus should be prime for it.

Too much of anything is bad, too much oxygen, too much nitrogen, you get the idea. Sadly we are going in the too much route.

"C02, All the O2 with the C you need!"

[picture of a champagne glass]
C02: Add more sparkle to your life!

The same argument could be made for human excrement.

I'm sure AH will have no objection if I dump a load of life-giving human excrement on his front lawn.

I guess we can get rid of all the waste treatment plants. Feces - We excrete them. They're part of life.

CO-2: Blow if you want to live.

Radiation, some call it a health risk, but the Sun emits radiation- radiation is the source of life sustaining systems.
They call radiation risky: we call it Life.

These ads are obviously directed at those who contend global warming is a threat. See my tongue-in-cheek visual depiction of "Al Gore: The Rapture Wrecker"...here:

www.thoughttheater.com

That little girl better not be outgassing near my yard. I'm at war with the Dandelion King.

CO2: For the County Of Orange !

American Hawk, at least the left acknowledges the validity of science itself. The right alternately denies it and pimps it for dishonest purposes. A pathetic lot, you are.

C02: Better living through scientific ignorance!

By this evening the line will be peddled on every single AM radio show, every right-wing blog, every Fox show, Scarborough, and by every member of tonight's Hardball panel.

And Asthma is fun!

CO2 - Life giving Oxygen with the sparkle of diamonds!

CO2 - Your ticket to a better place! (Offer void in states outlawing Dr. Kevorkian or any form of assisted suicide).

COO - Even the name is soothing.

It's very odd that liberals are opposed to something so life sustaining.

Ah, there you are, you gassy little chickenhawk. Everytime I come around here, it's the same plume of sour, decaying, mindless talking points.

I'll eat anything, but I think I'm gonna be sick.

Am I really the first to point out that AH called carbon dioxide an element? I thought it was one of the parodies until I got to the end and saw who posted it.

More CO2! - because Argon needs a competitor

CO2 - All the goodness of CO but now with MORE oxygen!

A world without CO2 is a world where all the beer is flat.

Water: We Call It Life

[Insert Picture of Katrina Victims]

Well, that certainly runs counter to what Ronald Reagan had to say:

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do."

"Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources."

Reagan also said that "facts are stupid things." Apparently reality is fungible to these yahoos.

CO2: We call it life.
No, really, go ahead -- put that plastic bag over your head.

After oxygen and nitrogen, it's the most important element in the atmosphere.

How odd, my (doubtless liberal) school told me CO2 was a compound and not an element! (rimshot)

"They cal it flooding. We call it water."

"They call it nuclear armagedon. We call it the lots of little sun-like activity."

CO2: We call it life.
No, really, go ahead -- put that plastic bag over your head.

And We have a winner!

Maybe the ad campaing could be part of a series.

For instance:

"CO2: We Call it Life"

"War: We Call it Peace"

"Tyranny: We Call it Freedom"

"The Constitution: We Call it An Anachronism"

I say we enclose Texas in a giant glass bubble and ship every winger - and every extremist, for that matter - off to the bubble then pump it full of CO2.

CO2 — oxygen and so much more!

facts are living turned inside out

CO2: You can't see it, smell it, or taste it. Know why? Because it's an anti-American liberal lie. That's why.

"They call him a miserable failure. We call him the Decider."

CO2: It's just dehydrated sugar! Sweet!

Without my bootylicious lip-smacking farts, the earth's ecosystems would collapse. After oxycontin and nicotine, my farts are the most important element in the atmosphere. It's very odd that liberals are opposed to something so life sustaining.

- "Carbon Dioxide: they call it pollution... we call it a meal ticket."

- "Manure: We Call it Life."

- "CEI - we're all about whose Gore is getting Oxed."

They tried this a few years ago. Same lobbies set up an astroturf group called "The Greening Earth Society" with exactly the same message.
.

"CO2 : It's What Tax Cuts(tm) are Made Of"

I volunteer American Hawk to put a plastic bag over his head and breathe CO2 for a while...no, keep going...breathe deep!...now, no cheating..keep going!

One more problem solved.

"CO2 is good for us" is the same argument these folks have been using since the beginning of the greenhouse debate. The problem for industry shills like CEI is that the scientific debate has moved way beyond this line of argument. These ads and this line of argument is easily refuted with scientific and anecdotal evidence and will backfire. It only serves to point out they're absurd and radically wrong viewpoint.

After oxygen and nitrogen, it's the most important element in the atmosphere.

Standard Dry Air Composition By Volume

Nitrogen - 78.08%
Oxygen - 20.95%
Argon - 0.93%
Carbon Dioxide (which isn't an element) - 0.038%

American Hawk was one of those kids who used to stand behind an idling car in the driveway, sticking his face into the exhaust fumes, breathing it in and coming out with a strange smile.

can I just say how much I'm digging American Hawk ?
I hope he's at the Farmers Market...

CO2: It's the other thing we blow

I can't help but think of Dan Akroyd's character, Irwin Mainway, of Mainway Toys, pitching some of his company's toys, such as "Bag 'O' Glass" or "General Tron's Secret Police Confession Kit" to a horrified Jane Curtin.

Hypercapnia - SCUBA Divers call it carbon dioxide poisoning. We call it a Freedom Convulsion.

Seriously, excessive carbon dioxide was known to be extremely serious long before we were even aware of Global Warming. Is anyone going to fall for this?

AH: After oxygen and nitrogen, it's the most important element in the atmosphere.

Standard Dry Air Composition By Volume

Nitrogen - 78.08%
Oxygen - 20.95%
Argon - 0.93%
Carbon Dioxide (which isn't an element) - 0.038%

To be anal about it, both N and O are present in their molecular forms, not elemental. And importance differs from relative quantity. Argon is inert. Duh.

Greedy lobbyists call CO2 "life" while scientists call it an asphyxiant and irritant.

They call it life, OSHA calls it a "Simple Asphyxiant"

Who are you going to belive, propaganda or that acidic taste in your mouth when the level is too high? (aka Choke damp when inhaled in concentrations greater than 5% by volume)

Carbon dioxide is a colourless gas which, when inhaled at high concentrations (a dangerous activity because of the associated asphyxiation risk), produces a sour taste in the mouth and a stinging sensation in the nose and throat. These effects result from the gas dissolving in the mucous membranes and saliva, forming a weak solution of carbonic acid.... Carbon dioxide content in fresh air is approximately 0.04%, and in exhaled air approximately 4.5%. When inhaled in high concentrations (about 5% by volume), it is toxic to humans and other animals. This is sometimes known as choke damp, an old mining industry term, and was the cause of death at Lake Nyos in Cameroon, where an upwelling of CO2-laden lake water in 1986 covered a wide area in a blanket of the gas, killing nearly 2000.

Hemoglobin, the main oxygen-carrying molecule in red blood cells, can carry both oxygen and carbon dioxide, although in quite different ways. The decreased binding to oxygen in the blood due to increased carbon dioxide levels is known as the Haldane Effect, and is important in the transport of carbon dioxide from the tissues to the lungs. Conversely, a rise in the partial pressure of CO2 or a lower pH will cause offloading of oxygen from hemoglobin. This is known as the Bohr Effect....
OSHA limits carbon dioxide concentration in the workplace to 0.5% for prolonged periods. The U.S. National Institute for Occupational Safey and Health limits brief exposures (up to ten minutes) to 3% and considers concentrations exceeding 4% as "immediately dangerous to life and health." People who breathe 5% carbon dioxide for more than half an hour show signs of acute hypercapnia, while breathing 7%–10% carbon dioxide can produce unconsciousness in only a few minutes. Carbon dioxide, either as a gas or as dry ice, should be handled only in well-ventilated areas.

They call it issue advertising, I call it lies.

The 30% increase in Co2 levels has probably increased crop yields in dry areas: plants respire less and use less water. This helps keep poppy yields up in Afghanistan.

So many of us rushing forward with the generous offer of a nice non-degradeable plastic bag for American Hawk...honestly, the server gets behind.

We call it American Hawk is the biggest idiot in the room.

No, wait, that's not it:

CO2: We call it: the check cashed.

Catch22 - I remember this feeling well from days growing up in Southern California when we'd have stage 2 smog alerts. If I close my eyes, thirty years later I can still feel the cough, taste the flem and feel the burn.

The oil industry does have a point.

If we don't expel the human excrement, we will die, or at least be full of shit.

Shit is essential for our survival.

Osama hates our shit.

Bad formatting. Again.

CO2: We call it the check cashed.

CONTEST WINNER: No, really, go ahead -- put that plastic bag over your head.

Reminds me of a high school chemistry teacher who once told us all (paraphrase), "If you don't believe that steam contains more energy than boiling water, here's what to do--go home and fill a deep pot with water. Bring the water to a good, rolling boil. Then, hitch up your sleeve, plunge your arm down into the boiling water, and count to ten. When you remove your arm, the burn pattern will show you quite clearly that steam contains more energy."

Toxic sludge is GOOD for you!

CO2: It makes brocolli possible.

We call it flatulence.

Nope, it's just American Chickenhawk opening his yap again.

Chuck Norris snorts carbon dioxide off models' asses.

Yeah, man.

Who are you going to believe: the National Academy of Sciences, or "American Hawk."

Well, duh . . . "American Hawk," of course. He's got a PhD in everything, and even if he doesn't, he knows he can make up his own truth. Up is down, black is white, and global warming is good for us.

CEI -- or more accurately, the fossil fuel corporations that they shill for -- is obviously terrified of Al Gore's movie An Inconvenient Truth which opens nationwide next Wednesday May 24.

You know that "carbon dating" you godless heathens believe shows that fossils are, like, millions of years old? Well, what do you think makes carbon dating possible, smartypants? CO2, that's what. Um, that is, you know, if carbon dating weren't a lie, since we know the Earth is only 6000 years old.

Catch22: Great find. Who needs jokes when you can so easily show the whole thing is a joke?

For further hilarity, check out the script for the ad, where they _footnote_ every four-word sentence in the ad.

In fact, I've updated the graphic for the next ad:

https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/adpeters1/web/CO2.jpg

To be anal about it, both N and O are present in their molecular forms, not elemental.

True.

And importance differs from relative quantity.

Haha. Slicing that one thin, aren't we? You think he was making value judgments by using the term "important"? If so, is he stating that Nitrogen is more important than CO2?

I think you read into the troll's "mind" too deeply.

https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/adpeters1/web/CO2.jpg
Ha!

They call it life, OSHA calls it a "Simple Asphyxiant"......They call it issue advertising, I call it lies.

I call it a stupid post. Nitrogen and Argon and Helium are all also "Simple Asphyxiants" which means it is a gas which can asphyxiate you if it displaces Oxygen.

100% Oxygen is posionous, which is why it is used as a disinfectant. Breath it at pressure in scuba and you will die.

Posted by: chuck on May 18, 2006 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, but George W. Bush was a C student and now he's The Decider(TM) while PhDs have to listen to him...

CO2 - We call it record profits while you gasp for breath!

CO2 - Helping reduce the risk of forest fires.

Some say "global warming," we say "global comfort!"

CO2 - Warm summers and mild winters.

Haha. Slicing that one thin, aren't we? You think he was making value judgments by using the term "important"? If so, is he stating that Nitrogen is more important than CO2?

In deep sea diving, they use Helium breathed in high quantities, as a filler gas to keep partial pressures right for the "important gas" of Oxygen. Argon is inert = unimportant.

To be anal about it, both N and O are present in their molecular forms, not elemental. And importance differs from relative quantity. Argon is inert. Duh.

You probably meant atomic, not elemental. At the conditions we have around here, nitrogen exists as molecular nitrogen and oxygen exists at molecular oxygen. That doesn't mean they aren't elements.

CO2, though, is a compound. Period.

And what does the chemical reactivity of argon have to do with anything?

We call it The Onion.

Gosh, Red State Mike -- y'mean there's some optimal amount of oxygen in the atmosphere -- and too much might actually be bad for you?

Think the same might be true of, I dunno, CO2? Naaah, I'm sure the CEI thought of that.

Noumenon,

Oh my God they cite Wikipedia.

100% Oxygen is posionous

As evidenced by all the dead astronauts.

Argon is inert = unimportant.

You can restate it however you want. Either it was meant to be ordered in relative quantity, or it was a value judgment - which is inherently subjective.

You can hang your fortunes on Al, I mean, Don, I mean, GOP, I mean, American Hawk all you want.

Oh, I wish our atmosphere could be 100% CO2!

derPlau
Gosh, Red State Mike -- y'mean there's some optimal amount of oxygen in the atmosphere -- and too much might actually be bad for you?

The wee little light bulb comes on, dim though it may be...

One of the very general rules of thumb is that we're looking at a ~1% increase in temps. 1%. Such a little number. That's also been used like the "CO2 is good" gag. "Ooh. Just 1%. How bad can it be?" Of course, it's 1% from absolute zero so, it's around 2.7C of an increase in temps on top of what we've already experienced. (Between .15 Celsius and .3 Celsius)

Think of the fun. Let's lowball the actual change we've experienced and call it .15 Celsius that we've gone through so far due to human activity. Just look around at the increase in storms, droughts, floods, glacier and permafrost melt. And let's not forget the spread of tropical diseases.

It's useful to remember that half the CO2 we've put into the atmosphere has been put there only since 1970. The Indian and Chinese economies have only been roaring along for ~10 years now. Have we got some dandelion blowing fun in store or what!?

Argon is unimportant. Now let me turn off the lights and reboot my computer.

Mike-

Way to ignore the second paragraph (and therefore the sarcasm in my whole post)

Either it was meant to be ordered in relative quantity, or it was a value judgment - which is inherently subjective.

OK, so you think Argon is somehow more "important" than CO2 because there is more of it? And that's not subjective?

I think the ad was stupid. About half of the responses here are too.

100% Oxygen is posionous,

No, oxygen at too high a partial pressure is poisonous.

Video of a guy coming home from work after a horrible day. Kids are screaming. Wife is nagging. Guy goes out to the garage, hooks up a hose to the exhaust and into the car window, and climbs into the driver's seat. Just as he's turning the ignition key, a soothing voice-over says, "Relax. Get some rest. Tomorrow will be better." Then as the guy "gets to sleep a little before dinner" words on the screen say, "CO2. Life without drugs. A better way."

...the ad was stupid. About half of the responses here are too.

I dunno about "about half", but certainly plenty are: e.g., yours, American Hawk's.

MTBE: without it in your ground water, water is just H2O!

100% Oxygen is posionous,

No, oxygen at too high a partial pressure is poisonous.

Cherry picking. Read the entire post before commenting.

I don't get it. If fossil fuel burning plants are so great, why are they all located in poor neighborhoods, as far away from the republicans as possible?

shouldn't they be smack dab in the middle of their neighborhoods? maybe next to the churches?

Argon is unimportant. Now let me turn off the lights and reboot my computer.

Heh. Slave to technology. How did we ever evolve without lights and computers?

If everyone here would just stop respiring, I could use my Hummer to commute to work and not affect the CO2 balance.

You can almost hear the creative typos coming up with parodies of this. Reminds me of the people against DiHydrogen Oxide...

It must be that the Oil companies are secretly pro-science and want to do something about Global Warming; The only other explanation if they actually think these ads work is that they are incredibly, mind blowingly, impossible to believe of Fortune 50 companies, stupid.

CO2. We call it life. Because we don't have one.

CO2: it's what salad has for lunch!

OK, so you think Argon is somehow more "important" than CO2 because there is more of it? And that's not subjective?

Wow, you're still going with this?

Al/American Hawk/etc is a troll. What he said is nonsense - intended to provoke. I don't take it seriously. Now you're hung up on the issue of which gas is more "important" than another? Dude - get a life. Talk about a fruitless debate.

"Hey man! Oxygen is WAY more important than nitrogen. Like, it's 425 times as important."
"No way, man! It's only a little more important, but CO2 is like way more important than argon. I know that much, dude."

Again, he either meant it in terms of relative concentration (and got the order of oxygen and nitrogen wrong and didn't know about argon) or he meant it the way you're saying, in which case he "thinks" oxygen and nitrogen are more important than CO2.

Take your pick.

Heh. Slave to technology. How did we ever evolve without lights and computers?

Uh, no. That went over your head, didn't it?

Argon is the gas in incandescent lightbulbs and it's the atmosphere used for growing a lot of semiconductors. Some people would consider light bulbs and semiconductors to be important, as opposed to "not important", as you assert Argon to be.

If everyone here would just stop respiring, I could use my Hummer to commute to work and not affect the CO2 balance.

Warming is caused by net additions to the atmosphere, not closed loop sources. Duh.

CO2: There really can be too much of a good thing.

There's spiders crawling up my arm. Get them off!

You can't have too much of a good thing. Ask any drowning victim -- they won't deny it.

Maybe we should run Johnson's classic 1964 "Daisy Ad" right after this new dandelion ad.

Shit. We poop it out. Few things are as satisfying as a good bowel-movement. Millions of life forms thrive on shit, and we in turn thrive on them. Yet, liberals don't want us shitting in the street, or in our lakes and rivers, or in restaurants. Why do they hate America?

I think they took the commercial from Naked Gun 2 1/2.

learning to live beneath the ocean will be a thrilling challenge for the entire eastern seaboard!

mmmm...poisony...

"Feces. Every living animal produces it. Plants use it to grow. Some people would call sewage pollution. We call it life."

"Without carbon dioxide, the earth's ecosystems would collapse. After oxygen and nitrogen, it's the most important element in the atmosphere. It's very odd that liberals are opposed to something so life sustaining. It reminds me of how some high school kids got liberals to sign a petition trying to ban dihydrogenmonoxide a few years back. The fault is probably with teacher's unions; the scientific ignorance of the left is an artifact of low scientific teaching quality, which can be traced directly to the inability to fire poor teachers.

Posted by: American Hawk"

Is that you Stephen Colbert? Because if it isn't I can sure imagine him saying it.

Patients exposed to high levels of CO2 in the environment, on the other hand, may experience immediate hypoxia or anoxia in response to the displacement of ambient oxygen. At any given temperature and pressure, a liter of air can contain only a certain number of particles. In this case, the sublimation of dry ice to CO2 gas displaced the other components of ambient air, the most important of which was oxygen.

The displacement of breathable oxygen by another gas produces asphyxiation, impaired pulmonary gas exchange culminating in hypoxemia. Asphyxiation may be caused by a physical mechanism, such as choking, or by the reduction of the oxygen content in breathable air. A person who has suffocated in a plastic bag, for example, has actually asphyxiated from the selective depletion of oxygen caused by rebreathing into the bag. Fire may deplete ambient oxygen and produce asphyxiation independently of the effects of smoke inhalation or carbon monoxide poisoning.

http://www.emedmag.com/html/pre/tox/0500.asp

Anyone live in DC with axis to some lots of CO2 gas? Pump it into the Competitive Enterprise Institutes offices overnight...

The image reminds me of the ad LBJ ran against Goldwater

Next thing you know, the liberals will be bitching about H20 and 007.

I wonder who will show this ad. Because we all know that the networks and local stations won't because they won't show anything "controversial." I mean, they wouldn't show that United Church of Christ ad for tolerance because it is too "controversial." So I don't expect to see it anywhere, and if I do, I hope the UCC sues really fast.

Uh, no. That went over your head, didn't it?

Argon is the gas in incandescent lightbulbs and it's the atmosphere used for growing a lot of semiconductors. Some people would consider light bulbs and semiconductors to be important, as opposed to "not important", as you assert Argon to be.

Yes, once we've replaced our human forms with robots implementing our personalities as software, then Argon will be Truly Important.

I guess the reason rising levels of CO2 is important is because it lowers the total amount of Argon in the air, it being more important and all.

You wonder where they got the name "saffron rice" since saffron makes up .000001% of the ingredients. It must be unimportant.

If everyone here would just stop respiring, I could use my Hummer to commute to work and not affect the CO2 balance.

Warming is caused by net additions to the atmosphere, not closed loop sources. Duh.

I left off the part where you bury yourselves.

Theorajones:
"Feces. Every living animal produces it. Plants use it to grow. Some people would call sewage pollution. We call it life."

Good one! You're only the tenth person to think it up.

Mommy used say mean things to me. But I showed her! I'd scream off the last word and run away.

When Reagan was governor of California, he cracked people up by claiming that the redwoods caused pollution. Carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide -- what's the difference? And we all know that kept him from being elected president. The earth has been getting flatter ever since.

Without global warming we would never have a biofuels industry!

Give me a name

i dub thee, "Troll"

Good one! You're only the tenth person to think it up.

C'mon, Red Ass Mike, you come on here to defend the most idiotic of posts, yet you criticize someone who didn't bother to read through the entire thread before posting?

Maybe you need to get a life.

I imagine that bullets don't kill people either - just the rapid lead poisoning.

The real joke is that every so-called environmentalist in the US produces, on average, 10X the amount of CO2 than the average world citizen produces. And yet your average environmentalist actually believe that their part of the solution. Isn’t this sick?

No, it's twisted logic. The amount that people consume and pollute is almost entriely dependent on the systems of their own country. Like you, I was born into an auto-dependent, high-energy-use culture. No matter what I do, if the assumption that my share of that is equal to everyone else's, then of course it's more than most of the rest of the world.

Can anyone give me the name of an environmentalist that doesn’t consume the Earths resources at a rate the self same environmentalist believes will destroy the environment?

It all depends on how you assign resource consumption to an individual. Are you assigning social shares or specifically focusing on personally-controllable consumption? If the latter, then there's plenty of people who live sustainably. If the former, you're only making an argument in support of environmentalism, since it's the systems which are primarily at fault, not individual choice.

Shit: We call it crap, dogs call it food. It comes out of our asses so it good for us all.

Maybe you need to get a life.

Heh, it's pretty much iumpossible to make that accusation and not have it go both ways.

Maybe I like wasting time jerking your chain during code recompiles.

"The real joke is that every so-called environmentalist in the US produces, on average, 10X the amount of CO2 than the average world citizen produces. And yet your average environmentalist actually believe that their part of the solution. Isn’t this sick?"

Yes, it's just horrible -- I mean, hilarious. And therefore nothing can be done about global warming, so we're all going to give up now. But there's a more burning question: can the average environmentalist spell?

Mark: 'give me a name'

"And yet your average environmentalist actually believe that their part of the solution."

I nominate 'illiterate'. It's 'they're' as in 'they are' not 'their' which is a possessive.

It goes both ways! Brawwwwwk!

Urine: It's Water Plus!

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Soylent Green: It's People Like You And Me...

RSM is an idiot. He was taken to task on some of the nonsense he posted above but had to resort to playground tactics in his subsequent responses.
He doesn't even comprehend a simple case of two things being important; while one may be more or less important than the other....OY

Popular 70s poster:

Big fat, Elmer Fudd-lookin' guy, with a balding pate, moustache, sitting at a dinner table with a napkin tucked into his neck and a big smile on his face.

In front of him is a big plate of what looks like dog turds. He's holding one up impaled on his fork. The caption:

EAT SHIT. After all, 427 billion flies *can't be wrong*!

Bob

Put me down and walk away from me.

He doesn't even comprehend a simple case of two things being important; while one may be more or less important than the other....OY

Huh? What? Voices in your head again?

Mooorrrronnnn

When people don't give a shit about the fate of our planet, it's pretty much useless to engage them on any "micro" levels. Guys like this will be trying to score smart-ass points even as they sink into the methane quicksand. So don't bother to bring extra rope.

every so-called environmentalist in the US produces, on average, 10X the amount of CO2 than the average world citizen produces

And just so you know, US per capita emissions of CO2 are about 5 times the world average, not 10.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/tableh1cco2.xls

Environmentalists are going to pollute less than the average American, so it will be less than 5 times.

Voices in your head! Brawwwwwwkk!!

Can I have a cracker now?

Who's the moron here? Posters here are laughing at you cos of your consistently idiotic post and they bash you in the head, but you keep coming back.

Of course, you'll claim you have a life but I doubt it! It's possible you suffered from and an accident that resulted in a head injury and maybe a little bit of child abuse. That would explain why you keep coming back for more beating here as well as your ability to afford a computer from your liability claims.

Maybe I like wasting time jerking your chain during code recompiles.

You could actually be learning about climate change during code recompiles:

http://www.realclimate.org/

http://www.heatisonline.org/main.cfm

But I suspect logical thinking that's not in your own interest would probably be asking too much.

It's been at least three posts since some liberal made the shit/CO2 analogy. The joke that just keeps getting funnier and funnier with repeating. What's keepin' you?

The videos on the cei site are pure propaganda. The Glacier one, for instance, says that "some" science studies refute the idea that glaciers are melting, and then shows 2 articles from Science with titles suggesting thickening of ice sheets in the interior of Greenland and Antarctica, with the obvious assumption that the glaciers can't be melting since we are seeing thickening.

Both quoted studies show thickening in the interior resulting from increased precipitation (rain/snowfall) SECONDARY to global warming and melting of coastal glaciers. These trends are exactly as predicted by global warming and increasing sea levels.

The authors say this in the actual articles, as well as reminding us that the relative increases in interior ice sheets does not offset the worldwide melting phenomenon and the overall rise in sea level.

This is "Thank You For Smoking"-esque. Except way way way stupider.

But I suspect logical thinking that's not in your own interest would probably be asking too much.

He sniffs with a head toss and a look of smug satisfaction.

Actually, moron, I thought the ad was stupid and said so. But I also thought the responses were pretty stupid, and said so. And I've read all of the climate change literature, and you weren't such a newbie around these parts, you'd know my opinion and know your wrong in your oh so precious presumptiousness.

GOD, you're Advocate For God in disguise aren't you?

How do you "know your wrong", anyway? Is that some kind of new-age speak?

Your wrong! Brawwwwwk!

you'd know my opinion and know your wrong in your oh so precious presumptiousness.
Posted by: Red State Mike

while we're correcting this dipshits grammar, shouldn't "oh so precious" be hyphenated ("oh-so-precious"), or is that optional?

You guys are being mean. I'm taking my ball and going home.

Nads and Kenji, thanks for being grammar checkers/dingleberry pickers.

How do you "know your wrong", anyway?

heh.

get in touch with your Inner Wrong. identify it. catalogue it. explore it. there, doesn't that feel good ?

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Nads and Kenji, thanks for being grammar checkers/dingleberry pickers.
Posted by: Red State Mike

why is that an insult ... wouldn't YOU remove a dingleberry from your ass if you found one?

I'm pretty sure its in some scripture somewhere ... "if a dingleberry offends thee, pluck it out. Verily."

A great set of posters here:
http://kirktoons.com/busheviks/busheviks.html#
One is especially relevant to the post: "Our energy policy warms the planet"

Bye, guys. It looks like Mike's hauling me out of here.

Cherry picking.

Yeah, whatever.

Read the entire post before commenting.

I did. Just because I didn't blockquote it doesn't mean I didn't read it. If you want the long version of the quote, and the long response:

100% Oxygen is posionous, which is why it is used as a disinfectant. Breath it at pressure in scuba and you will die.

No, too high of a partial pressure of oxygen is poisonous. You don't need to breathe 100% oxygen at pressure in scuba too die, oxygen at the same percentage it is in the atmosphere will kill you if you breathe it under enough pressure (whether you are using a self-contained underwater breathing apparatus or not) -- did I mention that the problem is partial pressure, not concentration (likewise, in a low pressure environment, 100% oxygen isn't toxic -- again, its the partial pressure that matters.)

If you are going to try to distract the substantive discussion with irrelevancies, at least try to be accurate.

Satisfied?

Nads and Kenji, thanks for being grammar checkers/dingleberry pickers.

Well, that's a pretty good analogy, seeing as how your posts seem to come from the same place as dingleberries.

From a footnote to the script, provided by Noumenon above at 2:57.

"By the end of the nineteenth century human labor made up 95 percent of all industrial work in the US. Today, it constitutes only 8 percent. If we think for a moment of the energy we use in terms of "servants"," each with the same work power as a human being, each person in Western Europe has access to 150 servants, in the US about 300, and even in India each person has 15 servants to help along. It is indeed unpleasant to imagine what it would be like to live without these helpers."

Bjorn Lomborg, The Skeptical Environmentalist, Cambridge University Press, 2001, p 118-119

CO2: We call it The Good Life, suckers!

Though, truth to tell, I'd like to see more of my 300 servants cleaning my house and fewer moving my family to and from the Mall.

Well, this degenerated rather quickly. I honestly thought American Hawk was a joke, some sort of parody - I'm still convinced it may be, since anyone can use the handle and most trolls wouldn't be content to let the indefensible go undefended. RSM stepped up, but in to infantile a fashion to be interesting, sadly.

As for 'important', well, important is subjective by definition. Further, something may be important but you still don't want too much of it; too much Dihydrogen Oxide can kill you, after all (have you seen Poseidon yet?).

This reminds me of the old joke by sophomoric chemists - "Want some Sodium Chloride on your food?" This inevitably produced the desired response on the ill informed, liberal and conservative, as did "Your epidermis is showing." I don't think any of these lines of highly recycled jokes demonstrate much about teaching or environmentalism, just the power of new knowledge gained over those slightly behind in the curriculum.

Now, I think we need to concede the point - sometimes people use inane arguments about 'chemicals' and use scientific names to make things scarier as they are. However, CO2 is a product of nature, but too much of it is clearly a bad thing, and the scientific evidence that it plays a significant role in potentially devastating climate change is substantial. That's the serious issue that this ad is burying, and burying stupidly, which is why it's a joke all by itself.

No further additions are really necessary.

He sniffs with a head toss and a look of smug satisfaction.

Actually, there's tons of things in life that I'm not so sure about.

But I am sure that with all the science that's been done for the past few decades, the people that sound like the trolls on this blog either A.) haven't read up on the subject at all, or B.) think that the scientific establishment has been corrupted by the Bavarian Illuminati, and that's why out of 928 peer-reviewed scientific papers published in the last 10 years, none of them challenged the scientific consensus. That's why the first sentence of the NAS White House-commissioned climate change report reads, "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise."

So yes, you're probably hearing a bit of contempt. But that's because there's a lot of people out there who sound so cocksure of what they're talking about. And if they did any homework at all, they wouldn't be. But come to think about it, there are some people who get paid to sound cocksure. Like the people at the American Enterprise Institute. And they do do some homework, but it's homework on how to sound cocksure in ad campaigns, not on their science. Science is for those pathetic liberal science types. They're immediately suspect as soon as they turn down a corporate paycheck.

If everyone here would just stop respiring, I could use my Hummer to commute to work and not affect the CO2 balance.

You spelled "Chevette" wrong, RSM.

Like the people at the American Enterprise Institute.

Or the Competitive Enterprise Institute, whatever the heck place that is. Whatever it is, they don't do science.

Red State Mike said:

"Maybe I like wasting time jerking your chain during code recompiles."

Wow, you're either using a 386 for coding or you're recompiling the source code for the SS Administration systems. My recompiles only take a few seconds.

Give me a name…..
You can’t.

Me, for one. Lots of people like me out there.

Do you have OCD such that you need to repeat what you already said?

If everyone on the planet consumed the Earths resources at the rate that Al Gore does, the planet would be lifeless. I guess that’s why to liberal elites he’s the worlds leading environmentalist.

I see. So how much does Dubya consume? Are you some kind of commie that believes we should all consume the same amount, no matter the demands of our work?

Run along now, child. Mother will be home soon.

Eventually open bodies of water will become carbonated! Then we can sip soda water out of ponds, and motorboating and water-skiing will be fun with all that fizz.

Wow, you're either using a 386 for coding or you're recompiling the source code for the SS Administration systems. My recompiles only take a few seconds.

Nah, Mike got the NSA wiretapping contract. Good gig. Database that size takes a little computing power though.

Juuuuuuust kidding, Mike. I know you can kill a man twelve ways with your hands and two just by looking at him. Friendly jibe is all. Good-natured ribbing. Probably hard to recognize given the signal to noise ratio here.

mark,

That's got to be the most idiotic argument I've ever heard.

C02 - whata lousy sequel! I much preferred the original film CO. It had better car chases. Too bad they couldn't get Tom Cruise back to do the second one.

Yes, my pecker is tiny. Why do you ask?