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May 24, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

BOLD! CONTRARIAN!....Brendan Nyhan has the latest from the Straight Talk Express.

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Too short, too ugly, too old. Not gonna happen.

Posted by: enozinho on May 24, 2006 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

Even more interesting than the media's fixation on McCain's "straight-talkin'" is Kevin and the rest of the lefty blogosphere's fixation on the media's fixation. I think they're getting worried already.

Posted by: LB on May 24, 2006 at 12:40 PM | PERMALINK

After fighting with each other for 500 years the Sunnis and Shiites are gonna stop because McCain says, "Cut the bullshit"?

Dreamland.

Posted by: CN on May 24, 2006 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

I for the first time have to wonder whether McCain is an idiot.

Posted by: LeisureGuy on May 24, 2006 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Now had Senator McCain told this crowd that as President he'd raise their taxes - then I'd be impressed.

Posted by: pgl on May 24, 2006 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

Bob Newhart once did a guest spot on MadTV. He was in a skit where he was a shrink, and his patient was telling him her problems..."I'm agoraphobic, doctor, and..." and his solution was to just yell "CUT IT OUT!" or "STOP!" at her.
This reminds me of that.

McCain DOES talk straight - this is exactly who he is. It's liberals who misread him "Oh, he's just talking to Falwell to placate the base" every single time. The guy is a conservative republican and supporter of the Iraq war. Vote accordingly.

Posted by: Cazart on May 24, 2006 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

When McCain sits Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson down and tells them, "stop the bullsh*t!"
I'll believe him.
Till then, just another Republican gas bag in a suit sucking up to his benefactors and patrons.

Posted by: sheerahkahn on May 24, 2006 at 1:02 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, what a plan! Or ... not.

Actually, I'd support McCain in this initiative, if only because he'd probably wind up hanging in crispy pieces from a bridge somewhere in Iraq.

Everybody's happy!
.

Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on May 24, 2006 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, I'd support McCain in this initiative, if only because he'd probably wind up hanging in crispy pieces from a bridge somewhere in Iraq.

Forwarded to Dave Neiwert.

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Via KOS: "Entire rightwing misses opening of WTC. Oops. Seared into our souls crowd too busy watching 24. Link with pictures. Bonus Lou Reed disses McCain.

Posted by: kidneystones on May 24, 2006 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

Forwarded to Dave Neiwert.

Thanks, I'm sure he'll get a kick out of it!
.

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Posted by: Alex on May 24, 2006 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

Reminds me of Bush's statements about gas prices in 1999:

Mr. Bush was critical of Al Gore in the 2000 campaign for being part of the administration that's been in charge while the price of gasoline has gone steadily upward. In December 1999, in the first Republican primary debate, Mr. Bush said President Clinton must jawbone OPEC members to lower prices.

As gas topped a record level of $50 a barrel this week, Mr. Bush has shown no propensity to personally pressure, or jawbone, Mideast oil producers to increase output.

A spokesman for the president reportedly said in March that Mr. Bush will not personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/28/politics/main646142.shtml

While Bush was quick to blame the Clinton administration for relatively modest increases in gas prices, he accepts none for the massive increase in gasoline prices over the last 2 years that have far outstripped any increase during Clinton's 8 years in office.

Posted by: Catch22 on May 24, 2006 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

I just posted this over at Tapped on this very issue:

God, I cannot tell you people how much i really hate John McCain. And because of this hatered, how much i am really going to enjoy watching him fail to get the GOP nomination in 08.

Apart from his alleged "hawkness" on the war on terrorism, what makes this guy a Rep.? He agrees with Kennedy on education and illegal immigration issues. He just voted to give illegals SS benefits. He agrees with Feingold on campaign-finance and how he would rather have a "clean government" than the protections of the First Amendment.

Hopefully, our voters in Iowa and NH will not select him because of his upposed "electability" ala John Kerry and reject him because he is, like Kerry, a loser.

Posted by: Chicounsel on May 24, 2006 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

"I for the first time have to wonder whether McCain is an idiot."
LeisureGuy

Really? Better late than never. Welcome aboard.

Seriously, this is a real problem b/c:
1) he believes this would work
2) a lot of people want to believe that the solutions are really this simple, it just takes the "guts" to act this simply.

Posted by: Jim on May 24, 2006 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

McCain sounds like my mother in the front seat yelling at my brother and me to stop fighting. Worked for about 45 seconds.

Posted by: natural cynic on May 24, 2006 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

a lot of people want to believe that the solutions are really this simple, it just takes the "guts" to act this simply.

Funny, that was the DMN's reason for endorsing Bush for reelection. As I recall, the staff editorial actually included the sentence "It's called guts." What the hell was that? A movie trailer?

Since when did Bush ever demonstrate guts?
.

Posted by: Grand Moff Texan on May 24, 2006 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

...a lot of people want to believe that the solutions are really this simple, it just takes the "guts" to act this simply.

I heard McCain had his guts removed while he was a P.O.W. They were replaced by a child-sized portion of Chicken Satay. Oh, and he has a black baby. And he's short.

Posted by: enozinho on May 24, 2006 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

McCain's idea makes more sense than the stuff emanating from Pelosi/Reid/Kennedy/Dean.

Pretty weak there FK. Are you just phoning it in now?

Posted by: SnarkyShark on May 24, 2006 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

Snarky, he's just vamping until he gets the talking points fax from RNC.

Posted by: CN on May 24, 2006 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, a lot of people *cough* Republicans *cough* still think that Reagan magically won the cold war by saying "Tear down this wall!"

Posted by: ckelly on May 24, 2006 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

You mean he didn't?!?!?!

wingnut heads explode/>

Posted by: drjimcooper on May 24, 2006 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

Why doesn't McCain just do this now? John, go to Iraq and fix things.

Seriously- why wait until January 2009? McCain says stuff like this because he knows no one will ever call his bluff.

No one will also point out the obvious subtext- that Bush, Rumsfeld et al. are incompetent eggheads who can't get the warring parties to 'cut the crap'. Only the Arizona Avenger can.

My gut tells me McCain has the Curse of Joe Lieberman- people like him until he starts campaigning and talking. Remember, Joe was the only candidate in 2004 who LOST support the more he campaigned.


Posted by: Alderaan on May 24, 2006 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

"Cut the bullshit!"
Or what?

Posted by: C.J.Colucci on May 24, 2006 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

McCain told Rove to stop the bullshit back in 2000. Smells like...victory.

Posted by: Terence on May 24, 2006 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, a lot of people *cough* Republicans *cough* still think that Reagan magically won the cold war by saying "Tear down this wall!"

Damn, and all this time I thought it was a Polish labor union that brought down Communism.

I'll be Lech Walesa was pissed to find out that, rather than a decades-long struggle, all he needed was a "gutsy" bit of sloganeering.

Posted by: moderleft on May 24, 2006 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

He said it was ONE thing he would do. Henever suggested it was a comprehensive plan.

Asking him to prognosticate what his Iraq policy should be in 2008 is idiotic; we're not even sure whether it will already be a democracy by then, or merely well on its way. He'll have to adjust his strategy accordingly, if he wins.

Posted by: American Hawk on May 24, 2006 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

Asking him to prognosticate what his Iraq policy should be in 2008 is idiotic;

Same goes for Dem presidential hopefulls too, right? Right?

Posted by: Edo on May 24, 2006 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

Wouldn't it be better to get them all in a room and then hold your breath until you turn blue and they shake hands and hug?

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr on May 24, 2006 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

Asking him to prognosticate what his Iraq policy should be in 2008 is idiotic

And yet dishonest GOP apologists -- but I repeat myself -- routinely try to distract from Bush's failures in Iraq and elsewhere by demanding the Democrats present their plan...

Posted by: Gregory on May 24, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

Brendan Nyhan is such a tool.

Posted by: The Fool on May 24, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

Edo-- I wouldn't ask any presidential hopeful what to do in Iraq in 2008 until at least 2007. The situation is so fluid that it's simply meaningless. The same logic doesn't apply to, say, healthcare or social security, because the underlying dynamics of those situations are unlikely to significiantly change between now and 2008.

Posted by: American Hawk on May 24, 2006 at 4:10 PM | PERMALINK

"One of the things I would do if I were President would be to sit the Shiites and the Sunnis down and say, 'Stop the bullshit,'" said Mr. McCain, according to Shirley Cloyes DioGuardi, an invitee, and two other guests.

And what are you gonna do when they answer "No. Now go fuck yourself"?

Posted by: Stefan on May 24, 2006 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

"One of the things I would do if I were President would be to sit the Shiites and the Sunnis down and say, 'Stop the bullshit,'" said Mr. McCain, according to Shirley Cloyes DioGuardi, an invitee, and two other guests.

OK, Bush is president now. If this is such a magical fucking solution why doesn't he just do this? What's Bush been waiting for?

Posted by: Stefan on May 24, 2006 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK

American Hawk:
You make what is actually a very fair point. Too bad Straight Talk McCain won't make it.

Posted by: C.J.Colucci on May 24, 2006 at 4:38 PM | PERMALINK

I assume that exactly the same approach will resolve such matters as Northern Ireland, Kurdistan, Darfur, etc. Why didn't somebody think of this before?

Posted by: chasmrich on May 24, 2006 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

CJ, no, the universe is not ready for american hawk making a very fair point.

McCain didn't say "if i were to be elected president in 2008." He said "if i were president," which is a construction that means "if i were president right now."

His plan, notion, idea, or whatever you want to call it is completely and totally nuts. It's so simple-minded that even george bush could have thought of it (and who knows, perhaps he has).

telling other people that their concerns are "bullshit" may well play to the american hawks of this nation, but it doesn't do a thing to solve problems. to try and pick the single most comparable, you couldn't sit the israelis and palestinians down and tell them to "stop the bullshit," unless your goal was to give them something to agree on: that you are an idiot.

nor was it the approach that george mitchell used in northern ireland, to pick another comparable.

it's an approach you use when a couple of men in your unit aren't getting along because of some triviality. it's not an approach you use when there are deeply embedded differences, which is, of course, why everyone with knowledge of iraq foresaw post-war problems....

Posted by: howard on May 24, 2006 at 4:44 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if anyone on the planet has the balls to go to McCain and ask him if it might have been more productive for President Kennedy to sit Ho Chi Minh and Ngo Dinh Diem down and tell them to 'stop the bullshit', since it's such a logical, winning plan.

McCain might have well just called a press conference to announce he will continue to fail in Iraq if elected. I predict McCain's winning combo of shameless pandering (accompanied by explanations he is just 'doing it for crazy base land') and pronouncements like this one are going to be big winners in 2008. For Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Alderaan on May 24, 2006 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

Is it OK to call a war hero a douchebag?

Posted by: The Tim on May 24, 2006 at 5:08 PM | PERMALINK

the bag's ok, it's the nozzle I hate

Posted by: someOtherClown on May 24, 2006 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK

Is it OK to call a war hero a douchebag?

According to George Bush, Karl Rove, Saxby Chambliss, Jean Schmidt, and the vast majority of the Republican Party, yes, it is.

Posted by: Stefan on May 24, 2006 at 5:40 PM | PERMALINK

OK, Bush is president now. If this is such a magical fucking solution why doesn't he just do this? What's Bush been waiting for?

What makes you think this hasn't been the Bush stategery all along?

Posted by: Gomer on May 24, 2006 at 6:36 PM | PERMALINK

I for the first time have to wonder whether McCain is an idiot.

Speaking of idiots, Tom DeLay's Legal Defense Trust doesn't know that Stephen Colbert is a comedian.

Posted by: Qwerty on May 24, 2006 at 6:47 PM | PERMALINK

For American Hawk:

Stop this bullshit.

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I for the first time have to wonder whether McCain is an idiot.

Speaking of idiots, Tom DeLay's Legal Defense Trust doesn't know that Stephen Colbert is a comedian.
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