May 27, 2006
THE iPOD TEST....Everyone's pissed off over Jacob Weisberg's weird rant about Hillary Clinton's iPod, and they're right to be. He basically used it as an excuse to demonstrate that Hillary is exactly the conniving fake he always thought she was, and it's likely he would have written the exact same thing regardless of what songs had made her top ten list. It was a remarkably lazy piece.
But I'm curious about something else: How do people even come up with these top ten lists in the first place? I don't think I could do it. That's not to say that I don't have any favorites. I do, and it would be easy to prepare a list of ten pieces that I like a lot. But if you asked me to do the same thing next week, there's a pretty good chance that I'd choose an entirely different list.
On the other hand, I'd have an easier time choosing a list of favorite books, even though I own way more books than CDs. Is this because I'm not much of a music person and pretty much only listen to it as background noise in the car? Are you more likely to have firm favorites in a medium that you pay more attention to?
And why is everyone so obsessed with music, anyway? Why not ask Hillary for her top ten list of books? Or movies? Or tourist destinations? Why does music continue to be the ultimate Rorschach test of our times?
—Kevin Drum 12:52 PM
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Baby boomer influence? We're supposed to be the generation defined by our music. Hmm. I think I just restated your question.
Posted by: lahke on May 27, 2006 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINK
As for the obsession over music, my guess it's because most people have relatively strong opinions on what's good and what's bad when it comes to music. And that can be wielded against one's enemies. In other words, knowing that someone you don't like is a huge fan of, say, the Bay City Rollers, gives you terrific ammunition to poke fun at him or her.
Posted by: Peter on May 27, 2006 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK
Answer: People are dumbasses. Book references would have no relevance to the majority of them.
(Just to get that answer out of the way. ;) )
Posted by: bubba on May 27, 2006 at 12:59 PM | PERMALINK
music is a least common denominator.
many American dont read, but all listen to music. Also, politicians can use musical tastes to bond with the masses.
Also, you are a PC person and perhaps unfamiliar with iTunes. People often generate playlists of favotite music, so the decisions about what one likes are already made before the journalist asks. Also, one can rank one's songs by how many times they are listened to.
For me, that would place Kate Rusby as my favorite artist, and the Fiery Furnaces as the up and coming favorite listen. I guess Ill never make a sucessful politician!!
Posted by: troglodyte on May 27, 2006 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK
You flip-flopper! Your shifting musical tastes show your underlying indecisiveness and lack of strong moral values. How typical of a Democrat.
If you were a Republican, however, it would show how you're constantly shifting your strategy in response to an ever-changing world.
IOKIYAR!
(/snark)
Posted by: RepubAnon on May 27, 2006 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK
Well, there is "Put another log on the fire" and then there are...................
Posted by: thethirdPaul on May 27, 2006 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK
Why does music continue to be the ultimate Rorschach test of our times?
Groupthink? Mindless, lazy pop culture voyeurism? I suspect it's the same reason reality shows are so popular.
Posted by: Charlie Bucket on May 27, 2006 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK
Because music is the most powerful art.
Posted by: The Fool on May 27, 2006 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK
Why does music continue to be the ultimate Rorschach test of our times?
Taste in music doesnt mean diddly. It is an oppertuntiy for idiots to try to judge charactor.
Example-cool kids dissing anybody whoever wrote a song that people actually like as selling out.
Or Jacob Weisberg's insane rantings about Hillary's understandable and unsuprising taste in music.
When someone ask me what bands I like, or what church do I go for, my first instinct is to reach for a pistol.
Posted by: SnarkyShark on May 27, 2006 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK
I've thrown away my ipod. I have hired minstrels to wander around with me while singing songs that echo the themes of my day.
Posted by: HL Mungo on May 27, 2006 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK
It's mostly a guy thing. The list business. (see "High Fidelity")
It's the same reason every boyfriend I've had made me compilation-tapes as a courtship ritual. They want you to know they're cool, worthy and can teach you something.
(compilation-tapes! That dates me.)
When you ask someone for their list you are exerting power over them. Are they worthy?
I never asked for the tapes. I just got 'em.
Why music? Infinite possibilities.
Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on May 27, 2006 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK
I also like this part:
"Usually briefs," he responded, offering a glimpse of the carefully wrought shadings that came to define his political career. Tighty whiteys will play better with these kids and the NASCAR crowd, he might have been thinking. But I don't want to alienate East Coast preppies
Or maybe Clinton was thinking, "I'll answer this degrading question only in order to become President, so that I can better serve my New World Order overlords at the UN." Or maybe it was, "Boy, I wish those Jews would stop kidnapping children and using their blood in those evil ceremonies. It makes it so much harder to find kids to molest." "I'll answer this degrading question only in order to become President, so that I can better serve my New World Order overlords at the UN." In any case, it's clear that Clinton is an incredibly evil man.
Meanwhile, I'm sure what Weisberg was thinking when he wrote that article was, "I sure hope Hillary becomes President because these amazing mind-reading powers of mine only seem to apply to the Clintons and I, Jacob Weisberg, have nothing else to contribute to the world."
Posted by: Anon on May 27, 2006 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK
PS - It isn't that I wasn't flattered to get a tape from a guy!!!
If I sound a bit weary, it's because I've been married to a Professor of Rock for 15 years..............
Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on May 27, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK
The true idiocy of Weisberg's column isn't revealed, though, until he compares Hillary's playlist with George Bush's and Condi Rice's. Rice's features some of the exact same songs and artists as Clinton's and is really hard, in the end, to discern from Hillary's -- but it's "a lot more fun," Weisberg notes.
And Bush's, of course, reveals his authenticity. Weisberg seems unaware that Candidate Bush appeared on Oprah in 2000, and was asked his favorite song; he replied, "'Wake Up Little Susie,' by Buddy Holly." He doesn't even know who sang his alleged favorite song, but we're supposed to think now that his released playlist comes straight from his gut and just happens to show off the plain-talking regular guy?
Bush's list, as reported by Weisberg, reads an awful lot like something concocted by a junior-level press aide. "Well, the boss likes baseball, so we should put that 'Centerfield' song on there, and some country... Who's a good country singer? George who? OK, George Jones... and something edgy, to make him look real... How about 'My Sharona'? That's good, not TOO edgy."
Imagine the hoots and hollers if Hillary had claimed to listen to George Jones.
Posted by: Boots Day on May 27, 2006 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK
They actually pay Weisberg to write that crap?
Posted by: gq on May 27, 2006 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK
PPS - Jaob Weisberg is a ass of the first water.
Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on May 27, 2006 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK
Weird elitism here - books are superior to music? People are dumbasses because...they listen to music? Lowest common denominator....music?
I'm sure there's a list of Hillary's top ten books out there. Oh! Look! In five seconds of Google I found this...
http://www.oprah.com/obc/omag/bookshelf/omag_books_hillary.jhtml
And I bet there's more. So much for no interest in her favorite books and therefore so much ado about nothing.
The music thing came up because of the Condi music thing which came up because of Bono which came up because he's a musician and it's interesting, to him and to other people, apparently.
Posted by: Stranahan on May 27, 2006 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINK
"Why does music continue to be the ultimate Rorschach test of our times?"
Music is an easy way to define our membership in groups. It is fast, accessible, emotional and thought free. We spend our time listening and cultivating our interests in particular kinds of music. So finding that someone else shares our interest is fantastic. My ipod at this moment is loaded up with Praetorius and Mozart as well as a number of lectures on opera. That immediately pegs me!
You know that awkward conversation that occurs when you meet someone for the first time? Imagine how it would go:
me: "What do you like to listen to?"
stranger: "I like classical music--I'm crazy about opera and Glen Gould!!!"
me: "Wow! so do I!!!" [inward smiling--I know where to go from here....]
versus
me: "What do you like to listen to?"
stranger: "I love [Michel Portal, eminem or others whose names mean nothing to me: Jeremy Camp, Third Eye Blind, Scarface, etc.]"
me: "Gosh, that's interesting!" [note to self--okay, nothing in common. This relationship is going nowhere.]
Posted by: PTate in MN on May 27, 2006 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK
I don't think the music question was common before the iPod. But now that people can carry around their entire record collection in their pocket it's just an easy question to ask.
And the more I think about it, the more I think that George W. Bush has probably never even heard a George Jones song.
Posted by: Boots Day on May 27, 2006 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK
How about top 10 sounds that aren't made by humans?
Posted by: Maldoror on May 27, 2006 at 1:43 PM | PERMALINK
"But I'm curious about something else: How do people even come up with these top ten lists in the first place?"
Because with the iPod the feature is automated. The iTunes software does it for you.
Remember, the press corpse is lazy.
Posted by: Tom DC/VA on May 27, 2006 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK
I stopped thinking in terms of "top ten" and "favorites" years ago. The last time someone asked me who my favorite band was, the best I could tell them was the first CDs I burned when I bought a brand new CD burner. In order, the Clash, Roxy Music, the Pogues, and Jethro Tull. But then, I'm a big fake...
Posted by: Roddy McCorley on May 27, 2006 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK
why not ask weisberg for his top ten ways to waste time and column inches?
Posted by: supersaurus on May 27, 2006 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK
Weisberg's piece isn't about iPod playlists, it's about publishing, yet again, the anti-Hillary meme. This time, someone uses music as the distraction.
Next week once this boring little "observation" has lost what little lustre it has, it will be something else.
So predictable.
Posted by: jcricket on May 27, 2006 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK
I voted for my Eyepod top 10 list before I voted against it.
Plus, I'm still ready to report for duty with a saucy salute!
Posted by: Osama F. Kerry on May 27, 2006 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK
iPods track which songs you listen to, and therefore, know which songs you listen to the most. They also have a built-in rating system.
So you can ask iTunes 'what's the top ten most played songs?' and you'll get an answer, whether or not the user uses the rating system.
Looking at my iTunes, my most played song is 'Who am I?' from the Animatrix.
...I don't actually like this song. Hmm.
Posted by: Crissa on May 27, 2006 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK
Music is everywhere. Not just in our personal collections, but when we turn on the radio, watch movies, or when the kid with the obnoxiously loud stereo pulls up next to you at the stoplight. Music is the sound of our subconscious mind.
Books, on the other hand, require genuine effort on the part of the reader.
Posted by: dr sardonicus on May 27, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK
Can't believe "What's the Frequency Kenneth?" didn't make her list.
Posted by: Frequency Kenney on May 27, 2006 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK
I can't believe it's not butter.
Posted by: jcricket on May 27, 2006 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK
It is an interesting question, but without some context in the playlist question, it's meaningless. I just checked my most played list, and found two songs in the top ten that were last played last summer. If you look at the top ten songs I listened to in the past month, none of them are on the overall top 50 ever played. Time is relevant here, methinks.
Posted by: northzax on May 27, 2006 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK
But I'm curious about something else: How do people even come up with these top ten lists in the first place?
Click on "Top 25 Most Played" on the left of your iTunes screen. My top 2 songs are my grandson singing Happy Birthday and a cello concerto by Elgar.
Posted by: grandma on May 27, 2006 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK
Okay, I'll bite. What's your top 10 book list, Kevin?
And let me throw in my 2 cents. I've known very bright people whose choice of music appalled me. And complete assholes whose musical taste coincided with mine. Judging someone by their music collection? Complete waste of time.
Books? Not so much.
Posted by: Grotesqueticle on May 27, 2006 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK
music's gay.
Posted by: forsythe on May 27, 2006 at 2:18 PM | PERMALINK
Hormones, Kevin. Unless one is a musician, or otherwise musically gifted, music is a stimulant to the sex drive. That's why our tastes tend to freeze at the age when we're imprinted like little ducks by whatever witless musical enthusiasm coincides with our peaking sexuality, but both interests tend to decline with age; our lives and our musical tastes become more sedate, more measured, more nostalgic. Unless of course we're perverts.
Posted by: buddy66 on May 27, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK
Kevin's favorite books from a few years ago are here:
http://members.cox.net/kdrum/Favoritebooks.htm
Posted by: grandma on May 27, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK
Grandma, thanks.
I can agree with about half of his SF picks.
Posted by: Grotesqueticle on May 27, 2006 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK
I was asked last year what my favorite musical acts were, and couldn't think of any that I liked over every album (with the exception, I suppose, of System of a Down, who perhaps haven't been around long enough to put out a crappy album). It was easy to come up with 25 or so favorite albums, though.
My very favorite songs I only listen to once every several years, anyways.
Posted by: JakeBCool on May 27, 2006 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK
I cannot figure out if he was attempting satire. If so, it didn't work, and if not, then the whole piece was as vacuous and irrelevant as anything I think I have ever wasted time reading. Either way, he's a duffer.
Posted by: c4logic on May 27, 2006 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK
I'd like to imagine George Bush's real top-10 list:
"Cocaine", "You and Me and the Bottle Make Three Tonight", "Eye in the Sky", and so forth . . .
Posted by: JakeBCool on May 27, 2006 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK
Boy you hit it right on the nose. I can't seem to understand why my friends are so into music and have not discovered reading about subjects like physics or political science or sociology. I thought when I was in my early 20's I had music and I had it all. Not so. I later discovered books. And oh how books, not music would have made a difference in my young life.
Posted by: Finesse on May 27, 2006 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK
"Why does music continue to be the ultimate Rorschach test of our times?"
It's not.
Posted by: ww on May 27, 2006 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK
Grandma, Thanks for posting the link to Kevin's top books list. Of the books he and I have both read on the list, the only disagreement is on Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. I found that book too long, though interesting in parts. I actually skipped 30-page chunks of it in order to accelerate the narrative, something I have rarely done with other books.
I highly recommend books on environmental history by William Cronon. "Changes in the Land" is a must-read for anyone who lives in the US Northeast. "Nature's Metropolis" is about the growth of Chicago, and offers a useful perspective for those of us who ponder how to make capitalism sustainable.
If Kevin and I like the same books (mostly) does that mean that he would like the Fiery Furnaces, too? Does anyone understand their album Blueberry Boat? You dont have to understand it to enjoy it, of course.
Posted by: troglodyte on May 27, 2006 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK
Tilli, women save there tape compilations for the breakup ritual.
Posted by: Boronx on May 27, 2006 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK
Weird elitism here - books are superior to music?
no offense intended, really, but did you think about this before you wrote it?
Posted by: slackdaemon on May 27, 2006 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK
I've thrown away my ipod.
Mine was stolen by the TSA or Useless Airways. I'm so not joking. Alas.
As for Kevin's question about why music, it's obvious: this is the latest hip thing, these magical MP3 playing devices, so we must find out what every politician and celeb has on theirs. They replace eyeballs as the windows to your soul...
Posted by: NTodd on May 27, 2006 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK
Tilli, women save there tape compilations for the breakup ritual.
So do some men. Ahem. And some even podcast about it...
Posted by: NTodd on May 27, 2006 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK
PPS - Jaob Weisberg is a ass of the first water.
Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on May 27, 2006 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK
Order. No one wants there ass in water, first, last or ever. It's damn uncomfortable.
Posted by: Pat on May 27, 2006 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK
And why is everyone so obsessed with music, anyway? Why not ask Hillary for her top ten list of books? Or movies? Or tourist destinations? Why does music continue to be the ultimate Rorschach test of our times?
Good question's to which I can only add two more - why is the political mineral, Kevin Drum now sounding more like Carrie Bradshaw than a poor man's Andrew Sullivan?
Is he really going ahead with that transexual operation?
Posted by: professor rat on May 27, 2006 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK
We might also ask Hillary for her top ten votes. But hey, how revealing would THAT be when we can all be bedside psychologists and ask her what fucking tunes she listens to?
Posted by: Pat on May 27, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK
today's post at 1:55pm is the first worthwhile contribution frequency kenneth has ever made here.
not bad for an otherwise worthless fuck ... kudos.
Posted by: Nads on May 27, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK
I met a guy who had 31 of Shakespeare's plays on his I-Pod. That was a tempting reason to get one but I haven't succumbed yet.
NTodd 3:44 PM They replace eyeballs as the windows to your soul...
Yeah, those crappy music lists are supposed to define you.
Posted by: Mike on May 27, 2006 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK
today's post at 1:55pm is the first worthwhile contribution frequency kenneth has ever made here.
Ha! That wasn't even him. Figures.
Posted by: craigie on May 27, 2006 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK
My iPod has about 40% Audio books, 40% Music, and 20% Podcasts. How would it be possible to make a top 10 ranking when I Might be listening to Patton Oswalt one day and catching the latest Science Friday and some NoFx the next? I like listening to the music for background when I am doing other things and crave the Podcasts because they keep me up to date with the information I need. The Audio books take focus so it's kind of a long drive / relaxation thing there.
Of course all you have to do is read my list of authors to know my political persuasion: Al Franken, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Craig Unger, etc. Since most of my frequently played music tracks are of the Punk genre maybe I could also be tagged a radical / liberal.
I don't feel that my iPod play list defines who I am but you can make some broad predictions and be fairly accurate parsing them.
Posted by: Eric Paulsen on May 27, 2006 at 4:19 PM | PERMALINK
Just one point. There are two kinds of people. Those who like the Beatles and those who like Elvis. Liking the Beatles is right in line with liking the Rolling Stones. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. But who cares anyway?
Posted by: Alyx on May 27, 2006 at 4:21 PM | PERMALINK
Yeah, I did think about it.
Kevin asked 'why is everyone obsessed about music' as opposed to his first example, books. A few people said, more or less - 'people are shallow cretins'.
That struck me as odd. Books aren't 'superior' to music. It's not an either / or choice.
Posted by: Stranahan on May 27, 2006 at 4:21 PM | PERMALINK
They replace eyeballs as the windows to your soul... - NTodd
Does that mean the next time Bush meets a world leader he wont be gazing into his eyes to see his soul, but listening to his iPod?
Posted by: Eric Paulsen on May 27, 2006 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK
Offtopic, or former-topic, but now that I've actually read that list of '50 Greatest Conservative Rock Songs',
http://scottpeterson.typepad.com/leftofthedial/2006/05/rockin_the_righ.html
all I can say is --these people really have a debilitating mental condition. Conservatism is a kind of mental retardation and we need to address it medically, not through the legal system.
Posted by: cld on May 27, 2006 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK
PPS - Jaob Weisberg is a ass of the first water.
Order. No one wants there ass in water, first, last or ever. It's damn uncomfortable.
Posted by: Pat
"bass" I meant to write bass.
Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on May 27, 2006 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK
The reason political journalists are more interested in your musical tate than your literary tast is very simple: faking an opinion about "Anna Karenina" or "Balkan Ghosts", or Thucydidies is risky--you could easily be exposed as a faker. But any lazy fool (and I'm looking at you, Jacob Weisberg) can fake anuninformed opinion about the Beatles versus the Stones.
Posted by: Paul Gottlieb on May 27, 2006 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK
And they can have Kid Rock.
Posted by: cld on May 27, 2006 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK
Does that mean the next time Bush meets a world leader he wont be gazing into his eyes to see his soul, but listening to his iPod?
I wonder what Putin has on his iPod...
Posted by: NTodd on May 27, 2006 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK
Tilli,
That's 'an bass of the first water'.
Posted by: cld on May 27, 2006 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK
He's stupid and he stinks, okay?
Posted by: Tilli (Mojave Desert) on May 27, 2006 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK
i cant hear your question as i blew my ears out listening to stupid music too loudly
Posted by: bubba gump on May 27, 2006 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK
People (as in the right-wing elite, and their special helpers in the press) forget that Hillary Clinton's political karma is very different than her husband's.
Her weaknesses are not her personal life (which includes her marriage), or even her poll-tested persona and positions (which are by design aimed to please the suburban center; Joe Suburb may even read Weisberg's piece [though I doubt it - the strange folly of Slate is that it is a centrist magazine read by liberals, and too wussed up to betray its corporate masters and become the dailykos of online magazines] and think to himself: those songs are in my I-Pod too...are they calling me phoney?).
The 40% (and maybe even 45%) of the country that hates her would not vote for any Democrat who could get the nomination at this moment, so her weaknesses with them don't matter. Ditto her weaknesses with the liberal netroots and the centrists (or are they liberals pretending to be centrists?) at Slate: the Democratic base is much bigger than them. She has stolen Mr. Gore's thunder on climate change now. She will have little trouble getting the nomination.
Her real trouble is not even her school-marmishness (which is admittedly unattractive).
Hillary's real weaknesses are more classical, and prosaic: her past secrecy, and possible corruption.
But the difference between her and Mr. Nixon (or in a different way Mr. Bush, who seems unlikely to ever go down for his sins [except in the polls, and the eyes of history]) is that Hillary *learns* from her mistakes. She has a stellar reputation in the senate that remains unbesmirched by any major (or even important minor) scandals, and a voting record (not to mention rhetorical record) that is in most ways pitch perfect for a presidential run.
Posted by: Linus on May 27, 2006 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK
Weinberg claimed that "Hey Jude" was a "neither early nor late" Beatles song. What is he talking about? He knows nothing of the Beatles. "Hey Jude" was recorded at the White Album sessions. That's late Beatles, dumbass. You want "neither early nor late," take something from Rubber Soul or maybe Revolver.
Posted by: Simon on May 27, 2006 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK
What's really weird about this whole question, at least for me: that Hillary has an iPod. iPods take a lot of maintance. You have to pick songs to download, then you have to download them, then listen to them and decide whether to keep them or replace them with something else. Where does a US Senator and Presidential candidate find time to do ANY of that? The same goes for Condi, W and anyone else in government with iPods. Don't they have something better to do with their time then listen to music?
Posted by: beb on May 27, 2006 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK
the Z0 man dissects;
THE iPOD TEST....Everyone's [[Really, I don't have an Ipod]] pissed off over Jacob Weisberg's weird rant about Hillary Clinton's iPod, and they're right to be. [[if you have an Ipod]] He basically used it as an excuse to demonstrate that Hillary is exactly the conniving fake he always thought she was, and it's likely he would have written the exact same thing regardless of what songs had made her top ten list. [[at this point I'm supposed to be concerned what the top 10 is]] It was a remarkably lazy piece.[[Imagine that]]
But I'm curious about something else [[Who owns Ipods? Evrry one! =]]: How do people even come up with these top ten lists in the first place? [[The same way people think everyone has an Ipod?]] I don't think I could do it.[[But. You. Did.]] That's not to say that I don't have any favorites. I do, and it would be easy to prepare a list of ten pieces that I like a lot.[[that everyone does, right?]] But if you asked me to do the same thing next week,[[which you likely will]] there's a pretty good chance that I'd choose an entirely different list.
On the other hand, I'd have an easier time choosing a list of favorite books, even though I own way more books than CDs. Is this because I'm not much of a music person and pretty much only listen to it as background noise in the car? [[is it noise or is it life blowing by?]] Are you more likely to have firm favorites in a medium that you pay more attention to? [[A firm favorite? WTF? Is that like a rare medium well done?]]
And why is everyone so obsessed with music,[[I'm not, EVERYONE else is]]anyway? Why not ask Hillary for her top ten list of books? [[May the Debbil throw me in the pit of fire]] Or movies? [[Ack Ack, Linda Blair, Linda Blair!!]] Or tourist destinations? [[Stop please, I have Hoe-tion sickness]] Why does music continue to be the ultimate Rorschach test of our times? [[Cuz people think that it is?]]
Posted by: Hamster Brain on May 27, 2006 at 5:41 PM | PERMALINK
'respect' by aretha franklin. how bourgeois. (condi could say 'booshie.')
check out aretha's 'eleanor rigby.' sorry, dead john and sir paul, she makes you look sick.
your pal,
blake
Posted by: blake on May 27, 2006 at 6:19 PM | PERMALINK
I suppose Hillary's iPOD is as good a vehicle as any for whatever ridiculous crap Weisberg happens to dream up.
Really though, the idea ought to be: STOP MAKING UP RIDICULOUS CRAP!!!!
Posted by: Frank on May 27, 2006 at 6:58 PM | PERMALINK
The quality of Slate's content (and there actually is some quality content) is far outweighed by its hipper-than-thou, contrarian, snarky, poseur, bullshit affectations.
Weisberg's dogshit article was a perfect example.
Posted by: Mike B. on May 27, 2006 at 7:34 PM | PERMALINK
At the risk of repeating myself, let me kind of repeat myself. Every age's popular music "imprints" young people and becomes their paradigm for musical taste. I swear you will go to your graves decades from now humming the inane tunes or mutttering the silly pop lyrics of your young adulthood, and since every previous generation's music seems like crap to a current generation, your preferences are going to be crap too. Simply put, all popular music ends up as crap because it is crap to begin with. When you're twenty years old it ain't you listening to the music, it's your hormones. Twenty years later crap becomes nostalgia. But it's still crap. Sadly, it always was.
Posted by: buddy66 on May 27, 2006 at 8:14 PM | PERMALINK
Wait till we get my top 10 list of Kevin's posts.
Posted by: artcrit on May 27, 2006 at 8:56 PM | PERMALINK
Fred Kaplan and Daniel Gross are worth reading. Lithwich seems good, though her topics are in my third or fourth tier of interests. Otherwise, Slate is crap, consistently. Weisberg's found a good home there.
Posted by: sglover on May 27, 2006 at 9:51 PM | PERMALINK
I only like music that I liked when I was kid, except for all the music that I like now that wasn't out when I was a kid and except for the all the music that I like now that I didn't listen to when I was kid. So my iPod has "Sink the Bismarck" and "Secret Agent Man" and "London's Burning" and "Texas Radio & the Big Beat" and all of the tracks from "Sketches of Spain." Maybe I'm only qualified for state office.
Posted by: Hemlock for Gadflies on May 27, 2006 at 10:02 PM | PERMALINK
Peter: "In other words, knowing that someone you don't like is a huge fan of, say, the Bay City Rollers, gives you terrific ammunition to poke fun at him or her."
Especially if you find a circa-1978 photo of him dancing at a disco while wearing platform shoes and a polyester "Angel's Flight" outfit.
My God, what were we thinking back then?
Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on May 27, 2006 at 10:16 PM | PERMALINK
blake: " ... check out aretha's 'eleanor rigby.' sorry, dead john and sir paul, she makes you look sick."
You should also listen to Aretha's rousing cover of The Rolling Stones' Jumping Jack Flash -- with Keith Richard and Ron Wood backing her up, no less! I believe it was featured on the soundtrack of the similarly-titled 1986 Whoopi Goldberg film.
Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on May 27, 2006 at 10:24 PM | PERMALINK
You can export the Most Frequently Played playlist from iTunes to Word and post that, which would tell us what you're currently listening to.
Posted by: Steve Bainbridge on May 28, 2006 at 12:03 AM | PERMALINK
Beatles v. Stones? I thought the world was divided between Callas and Tebaldi fans.
Posted by: YetAnotherRick on May 28, 2006 at 12:57 AM | PERMALINK
Drum, why not just ask her for her top ten pair of panties or sexual positions?
Frankly, it oesn't matter what you ask a Democrat, the answqer will be inauthentic. By definition. Unless she (or he) forsakes Jesus for Marx or Rimbaud as her (or his) favorite philosopher.
And is she (or he) names Jesus Lordy. A Democrat? Inauthentic.
Better Democrats just answer that question by asking the reporter when they're going to stop playing games, get serious and earn their money.
Posted by: Lettuce on May 28, 2006 at 12:58 AM | PERMALINK
And, FWIW, iTunes tells me my top ten most played songs are:
Paralyzed... Bob Mould
Wake Me Up When September Ends... Green Day
Eye of Fatima, Pt. 1... Camper van Beethoven
Box of Rain... Grateful Dead
Devil Song... Grateful Dead
Janie Jones... The Clash
Possession... Elvis Costello
Man Called Uncle... Elvis Costello
And Your Bird Can Sing... Matthew Sweet and Susie Hoffs
High Fidelity... Bob Mould
And that might even be accurate. But it's not what I would have guessed.
Posted by: Lettuce on May 28, 2006 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK
A Few of My Favorite Albums:
Exile on Main Street, The Rolling Stones
Honky Chateau, Elton John
American Beauty, The Grateful Dead
Court and Spark, Joni Mitchell
Katy Lied, Steely Dan
The Beatles, The Beatles (a.k.a. "The White Album")
Live in New York City, Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band
Get Your Wings, Aerosmith
Live in Europe, Tina Turner
Listen Without Prejudice, George Michael
No Quarter, Jimmy Page & Robert Plant
Jagged Little Pill, Alanis Morrisette
The Joshua Tree, U2
Moondance, Van Morrison
The Long Black Veil, The Chieftans
Tapestry, Carole King
Dusty in Memphis, Dusty Springfield
Be Yourself Tonight, Eurhythmics
Hasten Down the Wind, Linda Rondstadt
The Pretender, Jackson Browne
John Barleycorn Must Die, Traffic
Cane Fire, The Peter Moon Band
Los Cochinos, Cheech & Chong
Dream Another Dream, Nuclear Valdez
Candy-O, The Cars
Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on May 28, 2006 at 2:23 AM | PERMALINK
What does doorknob Bush have on his iPod? Hank Williams Jr. or some similiarly brain-damaged, southern-fried retard? I suppose the Bush family used to listen to Nazi marching tunes growing up, when Grandpappy Prescott was Adolf Hitler's financier. In short, who gives a ripped tit what Hillary is listening to? I want to fight this Weisberg guy - bare-knuckles, lets go, I'm calling you out, sissy....
Posted by: Fred Flintrock on May 28, 2006 at 10:06 AM | PERMALINK
Wow, these comments show me that Kevin's readers really aren't very passionate about music. If I had to give up music or books, I'd give up books.
Posted by: Justin on May 28, 2006 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK
Hey Simon: I too got a laugh out of Jacobs Hey Jude foolishness.
But the statement that makes me shake my head? This one:
Unlike Hillary and Condi, this all sounds pretty uncalculated. Bush doesn't worry about being politically correct or care what other people think of him. He likes to listen to white guys singing country and rock and doesn't care if Jerry Falwell objects to some of the lyrics.
Note the logic. If you do not clearly exhibit a narrow bias, you must be a fake; a calculating, shallow, unauthentic, something or other. Yep, Weisberg ole boy, thats the logic of a true conservative. Did it come to you naturally, or were you just playing us?
Posted by: little ole jim from red country on May 28, 2006 at 12:09 PM | PERMALINK
Speaking as someone not into middle class fads . . .
Isn't the ipod an incredibly expensive hobby? So you wind up with, what, a thousand songs at a buck apiece? And you apparently go wandering around with music running through your head shut off from reality?
Damn, this is a creepy society we're creating. For good, rollicking, yet thoughtful science fiction on the topic of information and entertainment addiction, read anything by Charles Stross. I don't think I'm going to like the future culture he describes, but it's more likely to come about than anything else I've read recently.
Posted by: Berken on May 28, 2006 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK
The "iPod Test" is nothing more than a media stunt, with the idea being that rewards are granted to the politicians who are the most "in tune" with the agreed-upon consensus that the collective Media Elites have settled upon.
Derision is heaped upon those who are perceived as trying, but failing, to divine their fickle and supercilious attitudes.
Any politician who told the idiots doing these alleged surveys to go screw off would score a lot of points in my book for recognizing this little game.
Posted by: Andy on May 28, 2006 at 4:17 PM | PERMALINK
(Not posting this under usual name for reasons which should become obvious).
I've been doing the internet dating thing for a few months now, and my experiences suggest to me that you *can* filter out people who'll you'll be incompatible with by their musical tastes; they don't have to be identical to my own but a liking for the Pussycat Dolls, Usher, and Meg Ryan romcoms post "When Harry Met Sally" is pretty much an instant giveaway that it's not going to go anywhere.
*However*, as the United States has discovered over the past five and a half years, electing somebody on the basis that you would get on well with them personally is one of the stupidest bases for doing so yet discovered. But Weisberg doesn't seem to have figured this out yet. Dumbass.
Posted by: Anon on May 28, 2006 at 6:47 PM | PERMALINK
Isn't the ipod an incredibly expensive hobby? So you wind up with, what, a thousand songs at a buck apiece?
Only if you don't own any music on compact discs which can be converted to mp3 format legally and easily through Windows Media Player.
And you apparently go wandering around with music running through your head shut off from reality?
No offense, but this luddite argument has existed for 25 years, since the Sony Walkman was introduced in 1979.
Posted by: Mike B. on May 29, 2006 at 1:26 AM | PERMALINK
Hey numbnuts, you get a computer consultant to set things up for you and he throws a few things onto a list for demo purposes and then a wanker without a life reports it like it's the biggest scoop since Paul Revere announced the British were coming.
Posted by: mikeperlman on May 30, 2006 at 10:31 AM | PERMALINK