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May 29, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

FAVORITE MUSIC REVISITED....How do people come up with top ten music lists from their iPods? Several people for example, Professor Bainbridge, here have pointed out to me that iPods keep track of which songs you listen to most often, so it's pretty easy to come up with a list of favorites: Just ask your iPod. I didn't know that.

I don't have an iPod, but I wonder if I can do the same thing? That is, not try to pick the music I think I like the best, but the stuff that I actually find myself playing most often. Or the individual pieces that I find myself looking forward to when I'm playing an album.

My taste in music is strictly middlebrow Top 40 within the genres I like (classical and 60s/70s pop), although when I went through this exercise I did find a couple of pieces that were slightly off the beaten path. So here you go: a pair of top ten music lists, one for classical and one for pop. Let the mockery begin!

Pop

Stand By Me, Ben E. King
Killing Me Softly, Roberta Flack
Figlio Perduto, Chiara Ferra/Sarah Brightman
A Hazy Shade of Winter, Simon and Garfunkel
Hark! The Herald Angels Sing, Amy Grant
Twelve-Thirty, The Mamas and the Papas
All I Know, Jimmy Webb/Art Garfunkel
Mrs. Vanderbilt, Wings
Feed the Birds, Sherman & Sherman/Julie Andrews
The Last Resort, Eagles

Nothing by the Beatles, oddly enough, though there are half a dozen songs that could have made the list. On the great Beatles/Stones question, I'm solidly in the Beatles camp.

Classical

Harpsichord Sonata #11 in G Minor, Antonio Soler
Piano Concerto #2 in C Minor, Sergei Rachmaninoff
Concerto for Mandolin in G Major, Johann Adolf Hasse
Piano Concerto #20 in D Minor, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Impromptus, Franz Schubert
Symphony #9 in D Minor, Ludwig van Beethoven
Piano Sonata #14 in C Sharp Minor (Moonlight), Ludwig van Beethoven
Canon in D Major, Johann Pachelbel
Concerto in G Major for Two Mandolins and String Orchestra, Antonio Vivaldi
Sugar Cane, Scott Joplin

Kevin Drum 1:16 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (94)
 
Comments

pandora.com is a particularly interesting tool.

put in a song you like and it tries to find others, which you will also like.

it sometimes makes interesting discoveries.

Also, try putting in different favorites and you may understand better what characteristics of music actually appeal to you.

Posted by: Bruce Wilder on May 29, 2006 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

If you listen to music on your computer, sign up for last.fm, download a plugin for your music player, and it'll compile some nice charts for your listening habits.

Posted by: keith on May 29, 2006 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

I'd vote for any presidential candidate, no matter which party or platform, who promises to outlaw the Eagles.

Posted by: ogmb on May 29, 2006 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

I find your music taste horrid, but I am sure that your tastes will be de rigeur in future "iPod playlist" articles about politicians who grew up during/after Vietnam, say slightly younger than John Edwards.

Beatles vs. Stones? Who cares anymore? (The correct answer is Stones, by the way.) What will be interesting is when, as in the Tory Party in Britain, we have people in power who like New Wave or college rock. Who will be the first American politician to say they prefer Morrissey to U2, or Pixies to R.E.M.?

Posted by: Ship Erect on May 29, 2006 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK

But even such a 'counter' feature is (more or less) misleading, isn't it?

I mean, the last couple months I've been listening to lots of early sixties "Brill Building" songwriters - Carole King and Gerry Goffin, Burt Bacharach, Barry Mann and Cythia Weil, etc - and my list (if I had an iPod) would certainly reflect that.

So does that mean I "like" Carole King more than the Beatles, or Elvis Costello (or Elvis Presley), or ...? No, it just means I'm off on a Carole King jag. In time it will pass, and then I'll be off onto something else. Last summer, it would have shown lots of 'Bob Dylan as songwriter' cover song listening.

And how is any of this meaningful, anyway? It is at best a snapshot, and a pretty inconsequential one at that.

Posted by: Robert Earle on May 29, 2006 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

Hmm.. 1.16pm by the site clock, and still no post even mentioning Memorial Day? (Nor over this entire weekend, AFAICT.) Something I'd advise doing if you want to maintain the "support/honor the troops" stance. (Or wait, is that all a fiction?)

Posted by: J.C. on May 29, 2006 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINK

My taste in music is strictly middlebrow Top 40 within the genres I like (classical and 60s/70s pop)

oy... (but i still like you.)

Posted by: rimone on May 29, 2006 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

Here is a partial playlist of George W. Bush's iPod:

- "Head Like a Hole" (Nine Inch Nails)
- "American Idiot" (Green Day)
- "Sympathy for the Devil" (The Rolling Stones)
- "Rock the Casbah" (The Clash)
- "Ohio" (CSNY)
- "Girlfriend in a Coma" (The Smiths)
- "It's Raining Men" (The Weather Girls)
- "Just Like Heaven" (The Cure)
- "Spirit in the Sky" (Norman Greenbaum)
- "God's Country" (U2)
- "Cocaine" (Eric Clapton)
- "Casey Jones" (Grateful Dead)
- "One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer" (George Thoroughgood)
- "Lies" (Thompson Twins)
- "Loser" (Beck)
- "Big Mouth Strikes Again" (The Smiths)
- "What a Shame About Me" (Steely Dan)
- "War" (Edwin Starr)
- "Poppa Don't Preach" (Madonna)
- "Blinded Me with Science" (Thomas Dolby)
- "Southern Man" (Neil Young)
- "Sweet Home Alabama" (Lynrd Skynrd)


Posted by: AvengingAngel on May 29, 2006 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

Here is a partial playlist of George W. Bush's iPod:

- "Head Like a Hole" (Nine Inch Nails)
- "American Idiot" (Green Day)
- "Sympathy for the Devil" (The Rolling Stones)
- "Rock the Casbah" (The Clash)
- "Girlfriend in a Coma" (The Smiths)
- "Ohio" (CSNY)
- "It's Raining Men" (The Weather Girls)
- "Just Like Heaven" (The Cure)
- "Spirit in the Sky" (Norman Greenbaum)
- "God's Country" (U2)
- "Cocaine" (Eric Clapton)
- "Casey Jones" (Grateful Dead)
- "One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer" (George Thoroughgood)
- "Lies" (Thompson Twins)
- "Loser" (Beck)
- "Big Mouth Strikes Again" (The Smiths)
- "What a Shame About Me" (Steely Dan)
- "War" (Edwin Starr)
- "Poppa Don't Preach" (Madonna)
- "Blinded Me with Science" (Thomas Dolby)
- "Southern Man" (Neil Young)
- "Sweet Home Alabama" (Lynrd Skynrd)


Posted by: AvengingAngel on May 29, 2006 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

...but I am sure that your tastes will be de rigeur in future "iPod playlist" articles about politicians who grew up during/after Vietnam

Well, maybe for politicians, which are an especially clueless and superficial bunch, but for the rest of us of that age I can assure you our tastes are much better.

Posted by: Tom on May 29, 2006 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

Hmm.. 1.16pm by the site clock, and still no post even mentioning Memorial Day?

Don't worry, I'm sure Kevin's omission of the "Ballad of the Green Beret" was a mere oversight!

Posted by: Tom on May 29, 2006 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

Another thing is on my iPod, which has about 1400 songs on it, I almost always just let it randomly pick songs. The top-10 list wouldn't exactly reflect what were my favorites.

Posted by: KC on May 29, 2006 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

The older I get, the more I appreciate the blues. Whether it's John Lee Hooker, Tah Mahal, or Keb 'Mo - I can listen for hours.
At the same time, I have no tolerance for music that isn't obviously rooted in blues or black gospel. Though not directly a part of those genres, people like Ray Charles, the Stones and the entire classic Motown roster (to name a random few out of thousands) are the direct decendents of blues and gospel. Their roots are strong, and likely explains their staying power.

Posted by: JoeW on May 29, 2006 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

Twelve-thirty and The Last Resort, two non-obvious favorites of mine. Obviously a gentleman of refinement and taste. Ignore the know-nothings.

Posted by: Ken D. on May 29, 2006 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

Well, the playlist I just burned to CD, and leave open for sharing on my laptop so that anyone who wants to can listen, begins (alphabetically):

#2 for Gaia (Gyuto Monks)
16 Military Wives (Decemberists)
1984 Blues (Austin Lounge Lizards)
Acid Rain (Austin Lounge Lizards)
Alice's Restaurant Massacree (Arlo Guthrie)
All Used Up (Utah Philips)
All World Cowboy Romance (Mission of Burma)
America The Beautitiful (Neil Young)
Anahuac (Austin Lounge Lizards)
Anchorage (Michelle Shocked)
Androgynous (The Replacements)
Answering Machine (The Replacements)
B Movie (Gil Scott-Heron)

and ends

Unsatisfied (The Replacements)
Waiting for the Moon (Bruce Cockburn)
We Have The Technology (Pere Ubu)
We Live as We Dream Alone (Gang of Four)
Western Dream (Ranch Romance)
When I Grow Up (Michelle Shocked)
World On Fire (Sarah McLachlan)
Woza Friday (Juluka)
Ya Got Trouble (The Music Man/Royal National Theatre)
You're going to Miss Me (Thirteenth Floor Elevators)

Yes, it tilts left. That's intentional.

Posted by: dr2chase on May 29, 2006 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

Mockery? As near as I can tell, there's just no arguing taste. There is absolutely nothing any one anywhere can possibly say to me in any language that will somehow make bluefish taste better to me.

And so it goes with music. You like what you like, and no amount of explaining why Group XZY is superior to Roberta Flack is going to make you like Group XZY better than you already like Flack.

That said, your playlist would make me want to drive hot spikes into my ears.

Posted by: Derelict on May 29, 2006 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Amy Grant!

There is hope for you yet, Kevin!

Posted by: Freedom Phukher on May 29, 2006 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK

There's not one patriotic song on the list. Why does that not surprise me?

Posted by: American Hawk on May 29, 2006 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

For those whose tastes are higher-brow (and more progressive!), here are some suggestions:

"Free Mumia" (50 Cent)
"Peace and Freedom... Or Else" (The Angela Davis Revolutionary Orchestra)
"Delete the Border" (Jorge y Vicente)
"Kumbaya" (Pete Seeger and the WWW chorale)
"Insecticide is Murder" (Green Party)
"The Man is trying to buy the Co-Op" (The Sprouts)
"Racist! Racist! Racist!" (The Projectors)
"A return to Arcata" (Daphne Meadow Smith and the Starchildren)
"The Man is trying to buy the Co-Op, Part 2 Extended Mix" (The Sprouts)

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Posted by: TLB on May 29, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

There's not one patriotic song on the list. Why does that not surprise me?

piss off, wanker.

Posted by: cleek on May 29, 2006 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

JoeW >"The older I get, the more I appreciate the blues. Whether it's John Lee Hooker, Tah Mahal..."

I have an application that records radio streams according to a schedule; on Saturday & Sunday evenings it is busy recording a local FM station that plays nothing but blues from 18:00 until 00:00

I take those MP3 files and put them on my iPod to listen to; more blues than I`ll probably ever listen to but I do have the music available

So how does that fit into the fav list hoo haa ?

It doesn`t & Robert Earle tells us why these lists are indicative of very little

And on this day of sorrow for those that died in (mostly senseless) wars...

"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." - Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

Posted by: daCascadian on May 29, 2006 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

Amy Grant?

I can only assume that, somehow, Bush is to blame for your musical tastes. I was looking at my iPod most played list, and I'm convinced it doesn't catch everything. There are songs I know should be high on the list but aren't, or at least that I've listened to many more times than it says. Anyone else come across this or know why this might be (unless I'm hallucinating here)?

Posted by: ChiSox Fan in LA on May 29, 2006 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

I think you need a 3rd category for "Showtunes" or "Vocal Music," Kevin, because I wouldn't exactly call Mary Poppins "Pop" but perhaps I'm being pedantic.

Posted by: fiat lux on May 29, 2006 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

Dear Kevin: I am a musicologist, and your choices seem excellent and consistent to me. Your choices emphasise melody and songwriting craftsmanship, and there's nothing wrong with that! I've enjoyed your writing and analyses for years now, but it adds another dimension of respect for me to know that you are confident enough to ignore knee-jerk responses to anything Disney. "Feed the Birds" is a beautiful beautiful song.

Posted by: Elizabeth Upton on May 29, 2006 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK

On the Beatles/Stones question, the answer is:

Led Zeppelin.
Greatest. Rock. Band. Ever.

Posted by: Libby Sosume on May 29, 2006 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

Robert Earle And how is any of this meaningful, anyway? It is at best a snapshot, and a pretty inconsequential one at that.

it depends on how long your lists are kept, right? My iTunes has been running for two years, it's tracked every piece of music that I have played, in my house, car or iPod, over that time frame. that's 1/15th of my life, more than a snapshot of what I listen to. Sure, I go on jags for things, like everyone, but it averages out over time. even with 5000+ songs on the table, the top 50 songs (my most played playlist) starts at 49 plays, so anything on the list has been listened to an average of once every two weeks, over two years.

Posted by: northzax on May 29, 2006 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

Civil, as always, cleek

i feel no need to be civil in any way to someone as wholly uncivil as that.

Posted by: cleek on May 29, 2006 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

On the great Beatles vs. Stones question -- is this really a question? Are there people out there who love one, hate the other, and argue over it at the drop of a hat? I think the vast majority of people who love rock love (or at least like and appreciate) both bands. Unlike, say, the Allman Brothers vs. Lynyrd Skynrd debate, where there is often real animosity on both sides. (Allman Brothers rule!)

Posted by: Bob on May 29, 2006 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

Cleek-- I was going to comment that I was surprised that Kevin Drum didn't list a single patriotic song ON MEMORIAL DAY. But then I realized I wasn't surprised. I didn't want to lie and say I was surprised, so I stated that I wasn't in the form of a question. Would ou prefer it if I lied???

Posted by: American Hawk on May 29, 2006 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

American Hawk: you change your Top 10 songs because it's Memorial Day?

Anyway, I don't prefer that you lie. I would prefer that you shut up.

Posted by: a on May 29, 2006 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

When I wrote a blog post of my top 15 records of 2005, I used compiled iTunes/iPod ratings (no. of stars, not play count) to do the first pass. It came out looking pretty damn close to what I would have written if I'd just written it off the top of my head. There were a couple of similarly scoring albums that seemed significantly different in my head, but the order and the degree of score difference was mostly right on.

Posted by: Aaron S. Veenstra on May 29, 2006 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK

I think what we're seeing here from Kevin is our typical lefty trying to have it both ways. Mozart and Beethoven? Are you honestly telling me you're not just pandering and trying to have it both ways? Really, Mozart's Piano Concerto #20 in D Minor AND Beethoven's Piano Sonata #14 in C Sharp Minor?

That's some waffling.

Posted by: The Critic on May 29, 2006 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

Plainly contrived and faked to appeal to the right constituents. Thats just what we'd expect from a big fakey fake faker like... oh, this isn't hillary's IPOD? Well, that's just like her, to make me think I was reading her fake Ipod list instead of someone elses. How can we trust her?

Posted by: Mysticdog on May 29, 2006 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

This post replicates one earlier in the week, in which I reported that Kate Rusby was in the top position on my iTunes, and that the Fiery Furnaces were up-and-coming. I looked deeper into the numbers and found X in the top tier as well. I love "Los Angeles" by X because it reminds me of when I lived there. Then there is "The St. Stephen's Day Murders" by Elvis Costello and The Chieftains. But Ive never been to Ireland. But its Elvis Costello singing a Christmas song. Not an ounce of treacle.

Posted by: troglodyte on May 29, 2006 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, man, I'm tellin' ya: Autechre

Posted by: Adam Piontek on May 29, 2006 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK

Would ou prefer it if I lied???

i'd prefer if you simply STFU and quit trying to politicize everything.

Posted by: cleek on May 29, 2006 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

I try to be civil to everyone, even you.

you're on the record now, Mr Vice President. don't let us down.

Posted by: cleek on May 29, 2006 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

"Feed the Birds?" by Julie Andrews, from "Mary Poppins?"

Wow. To like it is one thing. To admit it; now, that is true courage.

I'm not sure I believe it. It's not the treackliest song ever (I'd put "The Lonely Goatherder" from "The Sound of Music" up for that award)...but it's close.

Could our tough-minded Kevin be a softie at heart?

Posted by: Kit Stolz on May 29, 2006 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

According to my MP3 player the songs that I listen to the most are:

1. Armageddon by Primal Fear
2. Doorway To Survive by Brainstorm
3. One By One by Royal Hunt
4. Flight by Royal Hunt
5. The Odyssey by Symphony X
6. Chainbreaker by Primal Hear
7. 1348 by Royal Hunt
8. Lies by Royal Hunt
9. Batallions of Fear by Primal Fear

Id say that my tastes differ greatly from those of Kevin and most of this sites commenters.

Has there been a study that links political preferences to musical taste? If so, I doubt that I fit the mold: A staunch metalhead and a guilty while liberal in the same body. 

Posted by: ch41nbr8kr on May 29, 2006 at 4:34 PM | PERMALINK

NO ONE ADMITS THAT PACOBEL'S CANON IN D IS THEIR FAVE!!

Kev, you would love Venice.
For the tourists, they play Vivaldi's Four Seasons non-stop, and nothing else. you oughtta go.

Please, please go to HeadButler.com and find some good music!!!

Posted by: helennyc1@aol.com on May 29, 2006 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK

Hmm-
1 written by an American
1 written by a Romanian
8 written by Japanese artists

Sound about right to me, I actually have more English Music than Japanese (though its a near thing) but my favorites are all Japanese.

Ayumi Hamasaki - Trauma
Siam Shade - 1/3
Harry Gregson Williams - Theme to Metal Gear Solid 3
T.M. Revolution - Invoke
Asian Kung Fu Generation - Rewrite
.hack//EXTRA - Obsession Str. Ver. (track 1)
Kow Otani - The Opened Way
Kow Otani - Sunlit Earth
Kow Otani - Final Battle
O-Zone - Dragostea Din Tei (NumaNuma)

Posted by: MNPundit on May 29, 2006 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK

I'd vote for any presidential candidate, no matter which party or platform, who promises to outlaw the Eagles.

I am so down with that.

Posted by: obscure on May 29, 2006 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

Would you prefer it if I lied???

If you really cared about our preferences you'd bugger off pronto.

(!)

Posted by: Googles McGurk on May 29, 2006 at 5:05 PM | PERMALINK

I have not ten, but: no apologies for liking bubbly pop like Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun." Yet I also like out-boxy stuff like the ecelectic mix played on Rollie Radio (PBS, if still around.) As for some hidden gems from "pop tarts" - the big one in particular - listen to Madonna's soulful "Love Don't Live Here Any More" from her first or second album. It is truly more than you would expect from her, but sadly not played much on the radio.

Posted by: Neil' on May 29, 2006 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK

Numbers don't lie, right? My most played in iTunes (on my laptop, but not my iPod)...

Obscurity Knocks - The Trash Can Sinatras
The Build Up - Kings of Convenience
Remember Me? - Kitchens Of Distinction
Landed - Ben Folds
Run - Snow Patrol
Ballad Of Big Nothing - Elliott Smith
Fond Farewell - Elliott Smith
Pressed In a Book - The Shins
Green Eyes - Coldplay (How do I know your gay?)
Smile Like You Mean It - The Killers

Posted by: afinta on May 29, 2006 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

I don't use iTunes. (I've used a set MP3 sorting convention for about a decade now. I'm not changing it), but off the top of my head, songs that I don't skip while running them through WinAMP...

Smashing Pumpkins-Mayonaisse (live), I of the Mourning (live), Bullet with Butterfly Wings (live)

U2-Mysterious Ways (live..Sao Paulo from PopMart tour is my favorite), Acrobat, Please (live..Edmonton from the PopHeart LP is my favorite), Love is Blindness (Live from Sydney)

Garbage-Parade, Happy Home

James-5-0 (live from BBC), Space, Getting Away With It, Lost a Friend

The Black Mages-Dancing Mad, J-E-N-O-V-A, Blue Burst, Into the Sky

Phantom Brave soundtrack--Snowberry

Notice the number of live tracks in my list? It's that way for a reason.

Posted by: Karmakin on May 29, 2006 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

obscure: I am so down with that.

Me, too.

Posted by: shortstop on May 29, 2006 at 6:34 PM | PERMALINK

"There's not one patriotic song on the list. Why does that not surprise me?"

Okay, now I don't believe Chicken Hawk is a real person. He is clearly a partisan wind-up animatron that can only pet a dog or cut the grass or read a book or make love to his grandmother while thinking sweet, sweet thoughts of Dick Cheney's underwear.

The humans can actually give it a rest for ten minuteslong enough to listen to Brahms, or Coltrane, or George Jones, or the Who, or whatever. But, dear God, not Amy Grant! (Kevin, your list must still be weighted towards what you were playing around Christmas.)

Posted by: Kenji on May 29, 2006 at 6:49 PM | PERMALINK

What?! No Golden Earring!?

Posted by: craigie on May 29, 2006 at 6:55 PM | PERMALINK

"I'd vote for any presidential candidate, no matter which party or platform, who promises to outlaw the Eagles."--ogmb

Me too, particularly if the promise includes a ban on the solo work of Don Henley and Glen Frey, too. That crap's every bit as bad as their Eagles collaborations.

Posted by: Scribblerus on May 29, 2006 at 6:59 PM | PERMALINK

Does Joe Walsh get a special excemption?

Posted by: Kenji on May 29, 2006 at 7:09 PM | PERMALINK

Down with the Eagles.

Posted by: MNPundit on May 29, 2006 at 7:21 PM | PERMALINK

"Feed the Birds?" by Julie Andrews, from "Mary Poppins?"

Wow. To like it is one thing. To admit it; now, that is true courage.

I'm not sure I believe it. It's not the treackliest song ever (I'd put "The Lonely Goatherder" from "The Sound of Music" up for that award)...but it's close.

Treacle? Not if you actually understand what's going on in that movie. The song isn't about feeding birds at all, it's the nanny giving voice to the kids' fervent desire for their father's attention. It's very moving.

FWIW, of all the many movies the studio made during Walt Disney's lifetime, that was his favorite song, and for good reason. So stuff it.

Posted by: skeptic on May 29, 2006 at 7:27 PM | PERMALINK

I will vote for any candidate who endorses the Eagles. Great band. Henley's got a monster voice.

Posted by: kreiz on May 29, 2006 at 7:33 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney wrote:

>>Had you heard the urban legend about "The Last Resort" by the Eagles being about the death of one of the band's girlfriends from a drunk-driving Provost of Pepperdine University in Malibu, CA?

I don't know about one of the Eagle's girlfriends part, but I do remember the incident (it really happened) because it was an incident that really showed me the difference between being rich and influential -vs poor and black in this country.

The Pepperdine guy was drunk driving and killed some young people who were on the side of the road. The judge sentenced him to probation and to give some talks on the evils of drunk driving. The judge commented that the Pepperdine guy had "suffered enough". About the same time a poor black guy rear-ended the Los Angeles Chief of Police's car. No one was hurt. It caused a couple of hundred dollars in damage. The black guy was sentenced to probation and several weekends in jail. Everyone seemd to agee it was a fair sentence. The news didn't contrast the sentences but I did.

Posted by: Robert Forman on May 29, 2006 at 7:42 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, your musical tastes match your taste in college football teams. GO LONG BEACH STATE!!!

Posted by: MorganParakeet on May 29, 2006 at 7:54 PM | PERMALINK

jeez, if you think political discussions can be vitriolic, try pop music discussions. (maybe classical music is the same, but i'm a philistine, so i don't see many of those.) i'm amazed that more assassins don't target pop stars instead of wasting their time on no-count politicians. barry manilow, start your engine.

but kevin, i find your pop music list appalling, but not as bad as some of eric alterman's musings. he has an unhealthy fixation on this bruce springsteen person, when any person of taste and refinement knows that the true talent out of the jersey shore was southside johnny.

in closing, shake a tail-feather.

your pal,
blake

p.s. taj mahal is a poseur.

Posted by: blake on May 29, 2006 at 8:00 PM | PERMALINK

writing about music is like dancing about architecture

Posted by: someOtherClown on May 29, 2006 at 8:23 PM | PERMALINK

"There's not one patriotic song on the list. Why does that not surprise me?"

Me either. Patriots don't need to advertise their patriotism.

That's for scoundrels, criminals, and to be redundant, Republicans.

Posted by: Ray on May 29, 2006 at 8:49 PM | PERMALINK

"The Last Resort" is a pretty great song about California. Well written and very nicely arranged.
It's on the 2nd side of Hotel California, the side that didn't get airplayed-to-death. Good choice.

I dig the Wings song too, from 'Venus and Mars'. McCartney has really lost his gift for melody; stuff like this used to just seep out of his pores.

Mamas and Papas, I prefer "Words of Love". That band was pure cheese, but that guy was a genius in the studio.

Posted by: Noam Sane on May 29, 2006 at 8:58 PM | PERMALINK

What, Kevin isn't downloading C-SPAN radio, Air America, Jon Stewart, SNL, NPR, Slate, all the good stuff?

When you're trying to keep up with what's going on in the world, it's hard to find time for music....

Posted by: no one on May 29, 2006 at 9:04 PM | PERMALINK

Funny you mentioned Top 40, because today, WABC radio in New York (generally now a purveyor of right-wing punks like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity) harkened back to its golden era as Top 40 legend with its annual Memorial Day "Rewound" -- rebroadcasts of classic WABC airchecks from DJ legends such as Bruce Morrow, Harry Harrison, Ron Lundy and the quintessential Top 40 jock, Dan Ingram. As always, great stuff, and reflections on an Americana we shall never see the likes of again. (One of the hours played today was Cousin Brucie the night of the '68 election, with music interspersed with national and local results from WABC and parent ABC radio. What a fateful night that was.)

Anyway, my rock/R&B top 10 (perhaps I'll give you my jazz/standards top 10 some other time):

"Lonely Avenue," Ray Charles
"Sleepless Nights," Everly Brothers
"I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself," Elvis Costello & the Attractions
"Cynical Girl," Marshall Crenshaw
"Things We Said Today," Beatles
"Bye Bye Baby," Mary Wells
"One More Heartache," Marvin Gaye
"These Arms Of Mine," Otis Redding
"When The Lovelight Starts Shining Through His Eyes," Supremes
"Cold Sweat," James Brown

Posted by: Vincent on May 29, 2006 at 9:52 PM | PERMALINK

First 10 songs that come to mind:

Highway 61 Revisited, Bob Dylan
Highlands, Bob Dylan
Come Together, The Beatles
Look Out For My Love, Neil Young
You Dont Have To Cry, Crosby Stills Nash Young
Helplessly Hoping, Crosby Stills Nash
Living Loving Maid, Led Zeppelin
Walk On, Sonny Terry Brownie Magee
Forever Lonely, Muddy Waters with Johnny Winter
Jessica, Allman Brothers

Posted by: little ole jim from red country on May 29, 2006 at 10:15 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney:

northzax:

I've always wondered about things like iPod, TiVo, and NetFlix privacy - aren't you the least bit concerned that someone get's a hold of those lists - maybe I'm just paranoid ever since Bork's video rental hearings?

Sure, I suppose that someone knows what I listen to, but then, what a boring thing to bother learning about me. And if, someday, I am standing for the Supreme Court (given my lack of a JD, it's unlikely) if I'm living in a country that gives a flying f--k that I the most listened to song on my iTunes on May 30, 2006 was The Magnetic Fields' '100,000 Fireflies', then I probably don't want the job anyway.

And yes, every song on my iTunes is legally owned by me, I either bought it online or own the CD/LP it came from. I know, it makes me incredibly square...

Posted by: northzax on May 29, 2006 at 11:07 PM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: bu on May 29, 2006 at 11:30 PM | PERMALINK

Geez, 32 piano sonatas by Beethoven and you can't do better than the Moonlight? Beethoven didn't like it himself, and was puzzled by its popularity.

The Appassionata, Pathetique, Das Lebewohl, and any of the last 5 Sonatas leave the Moonlight in the dust. (Here's a test to see if you like classical music: listen to a good recording of the Appassionata's final movement. If the conclusion doesn't set your pulse to racing, you don't like classical music.)

Posted by: Norsecats on May 29, 2006 at 11:39 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, I won't diss your tastes (Amy Grant?!?), but I am baffled as to why you've got Sarah Brightman on the pop list and Scott Joplin on the classical list....seems to me those are backwards....

On the Beatles/Stones question, the answer is:

Led Zeppelin.
Greatest. Rock. Band. Ever.
Posted by: Libby Sosume on May 29, 2006 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

Fuck yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. You're so right it's not even funny.

Posted by: nota bene on May 29, 2006 at 11:40 PM | PERMALINK

Damn straight, shortstop.

Can I just say one thing, since music is so.... ephemeral?

I can't find on the internet a recording of Ted Mulry's "Jump In My Car" and it's making me very grumpy.

Posted by: obscure on May 29, 2006 at 11:40 PM | PERMALINK

I'd vote for ANYONE who has '100,000 Fireflies' on their ipod. For anything.

Posted by: michele on May 30, 2006 at 12:42 AM | PERMALINK

Classical:
Mozart - Marriage of Figaro
Mozart - Magic Flute
Bach - Cello Suites
Bach - Sonatas and Partitas for solo violin
Bach - St. Matthew Passion
Purcell - numerous songs, eg, Evening Hymn
Verdi - Falstaff, Otello
Wagner - Die Meistersinger
Handel - Messiah

Is there an iPod big enough to hold this? I am guessing 27 hours worth.

Of course, if I were to specialize in kick-butt music, I'd go for early Verdi (eg, Nabucco, Ernani) and some of the Italian operas of Handel. These are deadlines accompanyment.

Posted by: NancyP on May 30, 2006 at 2:11 AM | PERMALINK

Shows:
Bernstein - Candide, West Side Story
Sondheim - A Little Night Music, Company
Gershwin - Oh Kay, Girl Crazy
Gilbert and Sullivan - Gondoliers, Mikado
Rodgers and Hart - The Boys from Syracuse
Porter - Anything Goes

Posted by: NancyP on May 30, 2006 at 2:20 AM | PERMALINK

Geez, not a mention of the Brahms Requiem or Carmina Burana by Orff? I'd say the classical music is kinda lacking thus far.

Posted by: moe99 on May 30, 2006 at 2:26 AM | PERMALINK

Stand By Me, Ben E. King
-- a great song
Killing Me Softly, Roberta Flack
-- you're a brave man, kevin
Figlio Perduto, Chiara Ferra/Sarah Brightman
-- never heard it but she makes me gack
A Hazy Shade of Winter, Simon and Garfunkel
-- also good by the Bangles (!) who covered it note for note
Hark! The Herald Angels Sing, Amy Grant
-- rather hear Judy Collins
Twelve-Thirty, The Mamas and the Papas
-- a brilliant choice.
All I Know, Jimmy Webb/Art Garfunkel
-- a top-flight heartache song. cf Garfunkel's superb cover of I Only Have Eyes for You
Mrs. Vanderbilt, Wings
-- ... ... ... you have a chance for a post-Beatles Beatles reference and you go with this? As for the Beatles, it's ludicrous trying to isolate a Beatles song for a top-10 list; better to do a Beatles top 10 and perhaps make two lists, dividing between pre- and post-Revolver. Or maybe three or four lists. And anyone who doesn't love both the Beatles and the Stones is either tone-deaf or a poser who doesn't know it yet.
Feed the Birds, Sherman & Sherman/Julie Andrews
--Don't know the song but I got no problem with Disney tunes or with Julie Andrews' voice. But I must say I don't think you and I would get along AT ALL on a road trip unless I was trying to get some sleep.
The Last Resort, Eagles
--This song just bores me silly. I suspect this connects to some profound experience. We all have those.

Posted by: secularhuman on May 30, 2006 at 2:34 AM | PERMALINK

Wow! Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto made Kevin's list. And I thought I was the only one who loved Rachmaninoff. Matter of fact, I designed a house last fall while listening to Rachmaninoff's 3rd Piano Concerto over and over and over and... well, you get the idea. Rachmaninoff is a very personal choice, made by very brave souls, and thus he appeals to a scant few wedges among Myers-Briggs test-takers, of which I'm certain Kevin is one (INTP, perhaps?)
--
HRlaughed

Posted by: HRlaughed on May 30, 2006 at 3:01 AM | PERMALINK

Don't have an IPOD, but if I did...

Jenny Jones - The Clash
David Watts - The Kinks
Things Have Changed - Bob Dylan
Dixie Flyer - Randy Newman
Half Past France - John Cale
Jackie Wilson Said - Van Morrison
You Send Me - Sam Cooke
All Tomorrow's Parties - Velvet Underground
Precious - The Pretenders
Waterloo Sunset - The Kinks

God Save the Kinks

Posted by: athos on May 30, 2006 at 3:34 AM | PERMALINK

...what? No ABBA?

Posted by: Gordon on May 30, 2006 at 5:02 AM | PERMALINK

Oh god. Killing me softly. A friend of mine had a set of discs labeled "evil". They were 2 cds each filled with various versions of killing me softly. He could go for 2 hours playing nothing but that song. Dementia Incorporated.

Posted by: bago on May 30, 2006 at 5:52 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin, I presume that you're lying about your musical tastes. And because I make this presumption, this proves that you're a pandering liar.

Posted by: Jacob Weisberg on May 30, 2006 at 7:25 AM | PERMALINK

Is there an iPod big enough to hold this? I am guessing 27 hours worth.

my 20G iPod currently has holds 11 days worth of music (11:19:24:31, to be precise).

Posted by: cleek on May 30, 2006 at 8:04 AM | PERMALINK

Posted by: Ship Erect
Beatles vs. Stones? Who cares anymore? (The correct answer is Stones, by the way.)

Actually, the correct question is Beatles vs. Beach Boys. The correct answer is Beach Boys.

Posted by: Jon Parker on May 30, 2006 at 8:11 AM | PERMALINK

Mrs. Vanderbilt, Wings
-- ... ... ... you have a chance for a post-Beatles Beatles reference and you go with this? As for the Beatles, it's ludicrous trying to isolate a Beatles song for a top-10 list; better to do a Beatles top 10 and perhaps make two lists, dividing between pre- and post-Revolver. Or maybe three or four lists. And anyone who doesn't love both the Beatles and the Stones is either tone-deaf or a poser who doesn't know it yet.

Actually, I believe it's "Mrs. Vandebilt" (no "r"). Okay stuff, but if I'm choosing something from "Band On The Run," it's either "Bluebird" (one of McCartney's finest ballads) or "Let Me Roll It" (a solid medium-tempo rocker where he brilliantly parodies Lennon's "primal scream"). Not that classic rock stations today would play either one -- not "familiar" enough to pass muster with the consultants.

Posted by: Vincent on May 30, 2006 at 8:31 AM | PERMALINK

I'm amazed and disgusted that no one has mentioned the World Famous Ramones.
I wanna be sedated.
I agree that the Beatles/Stones thing is so tired.
it's Bush's ipod list that is clearly massaged.
Hillary's list is exactly the sort of safe, dull, middlebrow list you'd expect of someone her age.
Forthwith, my list - flame away and FO&D:

Lost in the Supermarket: Clash
Synchro System: King Sunny Ade
Bus Dem Shut: The Wailers
Murderer: Buju Banton
En Entre OK, en sorte KO: Le Grand Maitre, Franco
Miss You: Stones
Giant Steps: John Coltrane
Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered: Ella Fitzgerald
Saloti: Zaiko Langa-Langa
I Want to Hold your Hand: Beatles
Sweet Mother: Prince Nico

Posted by: steveconga on May 30, 2006 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK

Ramblin' Man - Allman Brothers
Hippy Hippy Shake - (the) Razz
Maajo - King Sunny Ade and his African Beats
Twist and Crawl - The Beat
Pressure Drop - The Clash
Carry On - CSNY (4 Way Street version)
Not Fade Away/Going Down the Road Feeling Bad - Grateful Dead
Pleasant Valley Sunday - The Monkees
I'm A Believer - The Monkee

I think I'm glad I don't know any of you. Somewhat a product of the shuffle and the fact the whole LP collection hasn't been loaded yet - my favorite tune, the Dead's Bird Song, isn't even gotten on the machine. I hasten to add that my son in the car has pushed the Monkees a bit further up the list than absolutely necessary. I'm surprised it wasn't the Shrek version of I'm a Believer.

Beatles vs. Stones? Stones, but why choose?
ABB vs. Skynrd? Depends on how many brain cells have been killed first (and with what), but generally ABB.
Eagles? I'm a musical libertarian, but I understand the urge to ban'em.

Posted by: VAM on May 30, 2006 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

And now, as promised earlier, my jazz/vocals/standards top 10:

"I'm Confessin'," Louis Armstrong (1930 version)
"What Is This Thing Called Love," Frank Sinatra (from "In The Wee Small Hours," the greatest pop album ever made)
"No Moon At All," Julie London
"'S Wonderful," Ella Fitzgerald
"Something I Dreamed Last Night," Johnny Mathis
"Sweet Georgia Brown," Anita O'Day
"Shout Sister Shout," the Boswell Sisters
"Slow Boat To China," Benny Goodman orchestra (Art Hendrickson, vocal)
"Speak Low," Billie Holiday
"You're A Sweetheart," Lee Wiley

Plus, as a bonus 11th, "Pretty Baby," Doris Day.

Posted by: Vincent on May 30, 2006 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

The manner in which Americans "consume" music has a lot to do with leaving
it on their coffee tables, or using it as wallpaper for their lifestyles,
like the score of a movie -- it's consumed that way without any regard for
how and why it was made.
--
From "The Real Frank Zappa Book" (ch. 11)

Posted by: someOtherClown on May 30, 2006 at 11:25 AM | PERMALINK
On the Beatles/Stones question, the answer is:
Led Zeppelin.
Greatest. Rock. Band. Ever.


Libby Sosume is 100% correct, despite the dispicable Cheney's agreement.

Posted by: Edo on May 30, 2006 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK

Cleek-- I was going to comment that I was surprised that Kevin Drum didn't list a single patriotic song ON MEMORIAL DAY. But then I realized I wasn't surprised. I didn't want to lie and say I was surprised, so I stated that I wasn't in the form of a question. Would ou prefer it if I lied???
Posted by: American Hawk

That's all you do is lie, Chickenhawk, why should today be any different? Should Kevin change his favorite songs because it's Memorial Day? You are such a total tool. If you list any "patriotic" songs, it's likely you're a)lying, or b) have crappy taste in music. My guess is a little bit of both.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on May 30, 2006 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, I don't know if you're aware, but they're still making music. They didn't stop in 1975.

Posted by: CrackWilding on May 30, 2006 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

I am usually critical of people who diss Kevin, but my goodness! Such insipidity!

Beatles v. Stones: yes

Led Zeppelin: I hate to say it, but now I find Led Zeppelin to be boring (although Communication Breakdown is one of my favorite screaming heavy raver songs--and it doesn't go on forever).

Kinks: Right on, Athos!

Patriotic songs: Hendrix's Star-Spangled Banner; Volunteers by Jefferson Airplane

Posted by: Wombat on May 30, 2006 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK

What no Ted Nugent?

Posted by: Amerkin Patrit on May 30, 2006 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

i don't own an ipod, but i do have itunes on my machine, and it tells me that the last few songs i played yesterday (memorial day) were:

california sun/rivieras
dance with me/the drifters
dance with my father again/luther vandross (i especially picked this one for memorial day)
i'm waiting for the man/velvet underground
little bitty pretty one/bobby day
nobody knows you when you're down and out/eric clapton
save the last dance for me/platters
take me to the river/annie lennox
there goes my baby/drifters
don't make promises/tim hardin
don't forget to dance/the kinks

as you can see, i favor themes. back in the day, i was the program director of my college radio station. old habits die hard.

today it's been all jackson browne, with a foray into more clapton acoustic.

Posted by: g randy primm on May 30, 2006 at 8:13 PM | PERMALINK

I like the same artists but different songs - New Kid in Town is my favorite Eagles song and have you ever heard the Mama & Papas version of Spanish Harlem? Its better I think even than Ben E. King's. AAnd I love Paul Simon's Under African Skies.Every group has at least one good song in them-no sense in mocking people's music tastes.

Posted by: Dianne on May 31, 2006 at 7:39 PM | PERMALINK

I always thought that "Feed the Birds" was a mirror of my own life: Good hearted impulse to help those less fortunate (and approved by my religious training) opposed by the elders that thought I was just a misguided, bleeding heart. Who knew Walt was such a liberal.

Posted by: Rosie on June 1, 2006 at 8:28 AM | PERMALINK




 

 
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