When I hear that phrase I always wonder what they should be apologizing for, too.

What are conservatism and liberalism?

I see liberalism as social expansion and conservatism as civil consolidation. Those institutions which expand knowledge/power, such as education, media and sciences tend to be inherently liberal. Those which consolidate this energy, such as business and government, tend to be inherently conservative. The government social programs of the last century created a form of conservative liberalism, often referred to as PC. The reaction to this was a liberal conservatism, aka libertarianism, which sought to redistribute civil control back to the presumably more culturally conservative local level. Having been originally based on a simplistic rejection of government, this movement is now in trouble because it lacks a serious civil philosophy, leaving its social conservatives and economic conservatives little more than a toxic coalition of greed and cultural rigor mortis.

It has the third and far more critical problem in "no accountability" Pelosi's case that it is wrong, since she is a mushy, apologetic, liberal.

She is neither an unapologetic centrist like, say, Lieberman nor an unapologetic liberal like, say, Kucinich.

At some point in time the rest of the world is going to pull the rug out from under us and start trading oil in other currencies.
Until that happens, whomever is nominally in charge has to support the dollar regime. The real revolution will be picking up the pieces after it falls.
Here is an idea to think about for when that happens;

One of the main reasons those at the top of society can claim such a large percentage of the wealth is the belief that in order to maintain the principle of individual rights, one is entitled to whatever they can legally leverage out of the larger community. Even if this means leveraging the law as well. The result is a modern version of the economic golden rule; Those with the gold, rule.

The problem with this logic is that money is no longer real gold. The value of the token is not inherent in the token, but it is the responsibility of the institution issuing this currency to maintain its worth. One consequence of this is that the actual money in circulation is still the property of the issuer, even though its value belongs to the holder.

What is created is a form of public accommodations for the purpose of economic transfer, much as the highway and road system is a public accommodations for personal and commercial travel. Money functions as a public commons. As such, it should be governed accordingly, for the greatest good of the greatest number.

This does not infringe on the basic principle of private property. In fact, if people were encouraged to invest in every aspect of their environment and community, rather then distill out the lowest common denominator of wealth in order to store it in a vault, it would lead to a far more healthy situation then we have now. One that would potentially require less government, as well as making excessive taxing more difficult.

While this may seem a purely academic observation at the current point in time, but when the national credit card is finally maxed out, new thinking will be required.

and apparently, unapologetic republican is redunant. the second the republican becomes apologetic, he disappears, leaving only a poof of talcum power and the faint scent of old spice.

There's an assumption here that "unapologetic" means "unwilling to apologize when one should". My sense of it's meaning is closer to "unwilling to apologize when one is expected to". Vast difference there; the second sense is neutral.

I believe the correct phrase would be "unabashed liberal." Too bad that's not part of the corporate media's GOP promotional directives. Just like all the word games they like to use, "unapologetic liberal" is meant to denigrate liberalism and anyone who's not following the GOP narrative.

It's a shame, really, that modern republicanism spends all its energy manipulating with language instead of actually running the government.

Liberals should apologize to America for the damage their ideology has caused the country. Their strident anti-Americanism, their treasonous refusal to support the Iraq war and the troops, their insistence that socialism should triumph over capitalism - the list goes on forever. Conservative principles have kept America strong, but liberal claptrap will lead to our downfall if it is not checked.

Kev, please start using the phrase "dog fucking conservatards."

thanks.

on second thought, I'm a yellow dog democrat, so please don't.

FYI -- here's what a quick google search turned up:

"unapologetic liberal" = 19,500 citations
"unapologetic conservative" = 558
"unreconstructed liberal" = 566
"unreconstructed conservative" = 105
"rock-ribbed conservative" = 18,200
"rock-ribbed liberal" = 105
"rock ribbed conservative" = 17,500
"rock ribbed liberal" = 95
"wishy-washy liberal" = 11,500
"wishy-washy conservative" = 39
"hardcore conservative" = 34,400
"hardcore liberal" = 14,200
"compassionate conservative" = 593,000
"compassionate liberal" = 11,800
and, in honor of puppethead:
"unabashed conservative" = 15,100
"unabashed liberal" = 23,400

Make of it what you will.

Jerry, I think "conservative pigfucker" sticks in the mind better, and also serves as a kind of hat-tip to LBJ.

I can hear the right-wing revving up their midterm fear machine:

You don't want an Uppity Unapologetic Liberal woman running congress do you? DO YOU?! Then you'd better get your *ss out and vote for us modest & proper Republican folk!

You beat me to it, smartalek. But here's another good one I noticed (more specific to US politics):

"democrats struggle": 13,400
"republicans struggle": 870

The article which brought me to this query is still the top result for 'democrats struggle'.

Also, I don't know that Kevin's exactly right that liberals are apologetic outside of the blogosphere. My understanding of the phrase is not that it means seeking forgiveness (although there is that verbal implication) but rather that it means defending your position. One of the most common complaints about Beltway Dems, especially as compared to blogosphere Dems, is that they don't explain what they stand for and they don't stand up and defend liberalism against its constant attacks. In this sense I think more apologism is exactly what American Liberalism needs. In the absence of any apologetics at all, its opponents have been allowed to completely define the meaning of the term. So c'mon, Nancy, get apologetic on us.

And yet conservatives have so much more to be apologetic for . . .

Illusionary Massive Stockpiles of WMDs . . .

Every Child Left Behind . . .

Roadmap to Nowhere . . .

Demagoguery Throughout the Middle East . . .

Prescription Dung Bill . . .

Falling Real Wages Economic Plan . . .

National Debt Out the Wazoo Plan . . .

The War Will Pay for Itself Plan . . .

The Berlin Wall Around America Initiative . . .

Massive Election Fraud . . .

Nuclear North Korea . . .

Torturers-R-Us Prison Operation . . .

We-Don't-Need-No-Stinkin'-Warrant Strahteegery . . .

Dick Durbin has nothing to apologize for. Consulting with Mexico before building a fence on our border and refering to illegal aliens marching in our streets as "we" are positions in the mainstream of the Democratic leadership. Now, if he wanted to spend millions planting trees along Michigan Ave so those foreign citizens don't have to march in the sun, well, that might put him slightly to the left of the mainstream Democratic leadership.

I would personally like to apologize for the introduction of the 40-hour work week, for the concept of the weekend, for the introduction of child labor laws, for the idea of universal education, for having my team solve the Cuban Missile Crisis without actually killing anybody, for winning WWII, for Social Security, for cleaner air and water, and for holding corporations responsible when they damage the public interest.

I feel terrible.

To me "liberal" means one who upholds the civic values of the World War II generation: a strong social security system, a fair deal for labor, progressive income tax, sound defense policy, respect for civil liberties, sound fiscal policy, environmental protection, and a long-range vision of the future based on responsible stewardship of the nation's resources.

I'll take the WWII generation ahead of Republican baby-boomers on civic values any day of the week. It's the "conservative" baby-boomers who are tearing down the civic values of the WWII generation that should be apologetic.

Amen to that 100% in agreement with VANESSA

When I hear that phrase I always wonder what they should be apologizing for, too.

For proomoting a failed, dangerious, worthless ideology.

I would not mind the term "unapologetic liberal" if they also referred to conservatives like Dennis Hastert and Bill Frist as "right wing nut cases". Both terms are accurate.

she's an unapologetic shill for AIPAC. apparently in the NY Times this is synonymous with being 'liberal'. her fervent support for HR 4681 outed her as yet another Democrat in the Lantos mold. "the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in air"... gave proof to the night, that AIPAC is there.

Advocate for God You're killing me here ( I am drinking coffee ) as you're taking lessons from Craigie.
The real problem is the richness of perjorative terms in the English language. Since language is a tool of thought, lack of precise selection of terms ( and understanding of common definition ) perverts results. This site is rich in examples of slanted analysis in more ways than one.

There you have it Kevin, sglover is right, so from now on, let's use the phrase, "conservative pigfuckers".

cmdicely wrote: She is neither an unapologetic centrist like, say, Lieberman nor an unapologetic liberal like, say, Kucinich.

Before referring to the right-wing corporatist Joe Lieberman as a "centrist", please read this article by David Sirota, author of Hostile Takeover : How Big Money and Corruption Conquered Our Government--and How We Take It Back.

Lieberman's views are far removed from the actual views of the vast majority of Americans. He is neither "centrist" nor "mainstream".

Joe Lieberman and the Hostile Takeover of "Centrism"
by David Sirota
May 30, 2006
Working for Change

Excerpt:

In my new book Hostile Takeover, I spend a good deal of time showing how ultra-conservative right-wingers have hijacked the terms "centrist" and "mainstream" and disconnected them from what's actually "centrist" and "mainstream" among the public. This is no small matter ... it is a hugely important and powerful linguistic weapon deviously employed by the most destructive forces. That's right - today in Washington, positions that are way to the right of where the American public stands are regularly called "centrist" or "mainstream." That's no accident - it is a deliberate strategy employed by Big Money interests that run the Establishment to effectively marginalize the vast majority of the population from its own political debate and political system. It is, in short, a hostile takeover not just of our government, but of political discourse itself.

How this semantic strategy legitimates right-wing positions and politicians can best be seen in looking at Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT), a man incessantly billed by the Washington media - and himself - as a "centrist." In fact, Lieberman's name has become so synonymous with Washington's propagandistic definition of "centrism" that some of the most insulated Establishment spokespeople are using the term in a pathetic attempt to defend him from grassroots primary challenger Ned Lamont (D).

Is this similar to an "aplogetic conservative." We seem to have a lot of hem lately!

A Lexis-Nexis search of the New York Times shows sixteen occurrences of "unapologetic liberal" going back to 1991, two of them in paid death notices, and only three of "unapologetic conservative."

More Lexis-Nexis counts of "unapologetic liberal" vs. "unapologetic conservative":

Washington Post: 17 to 5

USA Today: 9 to 0

Boston Globe: 9 to 3

Christian Science Monitor: 1 to 0

Before referring to the right-wing corporatist Joe Lieberman as a "centrist" ...

He's a centrist in the spectrum between the two major US political blocks, which are generally center-right corporatist and far-right corporatist.

He's also a right-wing corporatist.

We can have a whole long separate discussion about how disconnected the two major political blocks are from actual public concerns in the US.

We can have a whole long separate discussion about how disconnected the two major political blocks are from actual public concerns in the US.

Yes, that's the first serious issue we should be addressing, every problem we have falls in line behind it.

Yes, that's the first serious issue we should be addressing, every problem we have falls in line behind it.

Well, certainly its a vital issue, and its the main reason behind my personal near-obsession with electoral reform, because the electoral system we have encourages the kind of results we get.

CM speaks for me again, especially re the "no impeachment" announcement.

Vote Green!

And, if we can someday get Congressional public campaign financing, THEN, and only then, will we have REAL electoral reform.

As much as I'd love to bash the writer, he never wrote the sub-head, some copy editor did and his slot [head of the copy editing desk] approved it. He probably never saw it until the paper ran.

It's just more Dem bashing.

"Ms. Pelosi, ...as minority leader... has been credited in that role with keeping her racially, ideologically and stylistically diverse caucus unified."

Now what would happen if you described the Republicans as racially, ideologically and stylistically identical.

Personally I prefer "rock ribbed Liberal"

Maybe we could use the term "apologetic conservatives" for those now distancing themselves from Bush.

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And yet conservatives have so much more to be apologetic for . . .

Illusionary Massive Stockpiles of WMDs . . .Gee, Clinton and every major inteligence agency in the world believes Saddam had them.

Every Child Left Behind . . .True, We Forgot that "you people" didn't really wish to help any children, rather you wanted the No Teachers Union left behind Act" ..... sillyhead.

Roadmap to Nowhere . . . huh?

Demagoguery Throughout the Middle East . . .Yes, freeing 50 million enslaved people = demagoguery

Prescription Dung Bill . . .Poor sport for not passing a larger, even greater budget busting bill?

Falling Real Wages Economic Plan . . .Yes, 5% annual economic growth and 4.7% unemployment rate - thats awful ( and don't even start w/ that all 5 million new jobs are burger flippers....prattle)

National Debt Out the Wazoo Plan . . .Correct - a huge problem. The only issue is...since "you people" have never seen a spending program you didn't like, the debt would be even worse, but for one of your huge, economy stifling tax increases.

The War Will Pay for Itself Plan . . .Oops, you got me there. My only retort is freedom isn't free. WWII wasn't free either - and we didn't even get any oil - what were we thinking?

The Berlin Wall Around America Initiative . . .your right, we should just have fuuly open borders and fully unlimited immigration. Why even bother with sovereignty at all. Perhaps we should just call it the United States of the world.

Massive Election Fraud . . .We'll your the experts here: no identity proof to vote, multiple state voting. Hey we are all for clean elections - you have never been and likely will never be.

Nuclear North Korea . . .Yep, done on Clinton's watch. Oh yeah, and he even gave them a free Nuclear Reactor - that appeasement really worked well. Do you wish to give Iran a free Nuke reactor also?

Torturers-R-Us Prison Operation . . .Well, they don't call war hell for nothing. Still, I think most prisoners would rather be in a US military prison than in an insurgent "prison" - but it's your call.

We-Don't-Need-No-Stinkin'-Warrant Strahteegery . . .Ok, so you wish to defend the, congress is above the law, & the rights of congressmen to not be served a fully vetted warrant signed by a judge....even after they find a hundred thousand dollars of "cold cash" in his freezer. Rots of ruck on that one.

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