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June 3, 2006

ANOTHER SNOW JOB....After a series of alleged attacks against Iraqi civilians by U.S. forces, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki lashed out at the American military. The New York Times quoted al-Maliki as saying habitual attacks had become a "daily phenomenon" by many troops in the American-led coalition who "do not respect the Iraqi people."

"They crush them with their vehicles and kill them just on suspicion," al-Maliki said. "This is completely unacceptable."

In light of the seriousness of the prime minister's remarks, and the impact his concerns might have on the duration of American forces on the ground, al-Maliki's comments had an immediate international impact. Is the Bush White House worried? Not at all -- the Bush gang said the Iraqi prime minister was misquoted.

The White House on Friday sought to soften criticism by Iraq's prime minister over allegations that U.S. Marines killed two dozen unarmed civilians in the western town of Haditha last November.

White House press secretary Tony Snow said that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had told U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad that he had been misquoted.

OK, sometimes reporters get things wrong, especially when there's a possible language barrier. Tell us, Tony Snow, what did al-Maliki say?

"[T]hat is a little too complicated for me to try to read out," Snow explained, adding, "[I]t really does get pretty convoluted. I don't want to get myself too much into it."

Yeah, that ought to clear things up nicely.

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Frist!

(Sorry, I had to be the first one to do that just once - although I have no idea what it means.)

Posted by: Fred Flintrock on June 3, 2006 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINK

Fred, you are still in the ancient days.

The new one is


Fitz!

Posted by: nut on June 3, 2006 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

Tony...It's the New Ari!!!

Posted by: jimbo on June 3, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

Finally, a press secretary more pathetic than Scotty. How does Bush do it?

Posted by: Mario on June 3, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

I really figured Snow would be a step up. A small step, but a step. I figured he'd be substantially more eloquent in never answering anything. Turns out, no, he's eloquent in giving incredibly pathetic responses. My bad. Can he get away with, "I don't want to get myself into that," much longer? I mean, sooner or later the new guy defense has got to stop.

Posted by: jhupp on June 3, 2006 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

Wish I was a White House reporter. I'd ask "So, what does your note say about what the Iraq prime minister said then?" Any news organizations run the actual statements of the prime minister by several different disinterested translaters? Is there such a thing as a disinterested translater when it concerns the killing of Iraqi civilians? What would GWB do?

Posted by: parrot on June 3, 2006 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

No, what al-Maliki really meant to say was, "Please don't kill me!" The American March of Diems goes on. (Vietnam hands will get the reference.)

Posted by: Kenji on June 3, 2006 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

It was simply out of context. He said those statements in a high squeaky voice with gestures indicating he was imitating a frail old man. He went on further to say that people upset by the incident were drama queen pussies who probably lash themselves with feathers on the pilgrimage to Karbala.

Posted by: B on June 3, 2006 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

All I have to say is thank god we have a gov't that shields us from complicated information so that we don't worry our pretty little heads about it.

Posted by: forsythe on June 3, 2006 at 2:11 PM | PERMALINK

So the liberals want to kill the messanger of good news.

Too clever by half.

Posted by: American Hawk on June 3, 2006 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Gotta laugh to keep from crying.

Posted by: mmy on June 3, 2006 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

So....a public condemnation is corrected by via the US Ambassador? Of course that correction could have been along the lines of:

"They crush them with their C-130 gunships and kill them just out of frustration

Posted by: zAmboni on June 3, 2006 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

Read a tongue-in-cheek parody of the new White House program called "The Tony Snow Job Show" here:

www.thoughttheater.com

Posted by: Daniel DiRito on June 3, 2006 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

There was a good reason Snow could say exactly what the quote was. The literal, most accurate translation was,

"Those motherfucking Americans crush them with their fucking vehicles and kill them just on the most bullshit suspicion," al-Maliki said. "We've fucking had it with this shit. Get the fuck out of our country!"

Posted by: Derelict on June 3, 2006 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

None the less it will be a bunch of teens and twenty somethings left holding the bag for the horrible decisions make by the Bush junta.

A bunch of kids placed in an untenable position with totally inadequate planning, training or resources.

Bush and Rummy have fucked over so many lives. A gift that will keep on giving for decades to come.

Posted by: Keith G on June 3, 2006 at 2:43 PM | PERMALINK

The NY Times specifies the "mistranslation" in today's paper:

In The New York Times, Mr. Maliki was quoted as saying that many troops in the American-led coalition "do not respect the Iraqi people. They crush them with their vehicles and kill them just on suspicion. This is completely unacceptable." Accounts elsewhere quoted him similarly, and a review of the translation on Friday found the quotation accurate.

In its translation, The Times also quoted Mr. Maliki as saying that the violence he was condemning had become a "daily phenomenon." The review of that quotation found that it was inaccurately translated. Mr. Maliki said that the violence had become a "regular occurrence" not a "daily phenomenon."

Not much of a backtrack. The full article is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/03/world/middleeast/03iraq.html

Posted by: WSP on June 3, 2006 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

I'm pissed.

How dare the leader of some crummy country talk that way about us Americans.

Bush should invade their country and show them how to run a legitimate democracy.

Posted by: American Snake on June 3, 2006 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

OK, the smugness and holier-than-thouness of American Hawk comes as no surprise whatsoever, but now he doesn't appear to even be trying to make sense. Tell us, Hawk, what on earth is the "good news" here, which one is the "messanger" [sic], and how are we nasty libs trying to kill him?

Posted by: Doug on June 3, 2006 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

LOL @ derelict.
But I think you got it wrong.

He Iraqi PM really said:

"You're doing a heck of a job Bushie..."

Posted by: koreyel on June 3, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

I'm wondering if the Iraqi city Haditha got its name from the Arabic word Hadith, which means, roughly Narrations about the prophet Muhammad, and if so, if Iraqis feel any special sense of irony or violation because events happened there. Something like, if a bunch of Moslem soldiers went on a murder spree of Christians in Corpus Christi, TX?

Posted by: Joel Rubinstein on June 3, 2006 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

There are other translations that are very similar, e.g. (here):

Mr Maliki told reporters violence against civilians was "common among many of the multinational forces". Many troops had "no respect for citizens, smashing civilian cars and killing on a suspicion or a hunch", he added.
Earlier in the week al-Maliki made similar, if more tempered, remarks (here):
"Yes a mistake may happen but there is an acceptable limit to mistakes," al-Maliki said, when asked about a US investigation into the deaths of 24 Iraqis in the western town last November.

"We are worried about the increase in 'mistakes'. I am not saying that they are intentional. But it is worrying for us," he added.

"We emphasise that our forces, that multinational forces, will respect human rights, the rights of the Iraqi citizen," al-Maliki told the BBC through an interpreter.

"It is not justifiable that a family is killed because someone is fighting terrorists. We have to be more specific and more careful."

Regardless of the outcome of the investigations by the US, it's clear that the ability (or not) to provide security is becoming a serious issue for al-Maliki et. al.

In short, whether these events are accidental, defensible under ROE, legal under any code you choose, or just plain criminal--and regardless of how they are viewed in the US and how Snow spins it--they threaten the credibility and stability of the Iraqi government.

Posted by: has407 on June 3, 2006 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe someone mentioned this before: Haven't you noticed that there has been no protest, outcry, etc. from the Iraqis? Don't you find this more telling than any condemnation? I am sure they don't understand why the American make a big deal about something that has routinely occurred in the last three years.

Posted by: tug on June 3, 2006 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

All the comedians are out today. Funniest thread yet!

Posted by: notthere on June 3, 2006 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

"So reporters sometimes get things wrong....." - Drum

Ya think?

Posted by: Jay on June 3, 2006 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK

Keith> A bunch of kids placed in an untenable position with totally inadequate planning, training or resources.

Who will come back to your country having committed atrocities, justified by the ammoral logic of war or not doesn't matter. They will know just what it's like to kill and cause suffering, and solve problems with violence, and many will have learned to not be bothered by it.

What happens when they go back into civilian life, in many cases into rough areas or with few economic prospects, or not much acceptance of them? This kind of war brutalizes both sides, one immediately, the other delayed.

>Bush and Rummy have fucked over so many lives. A gift that will keep on giving for decades to come.

Likely.

Posted by: Bruce the Canuck on June 3, 2006 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINK

tug -- See here. The difference noted between the response to Abu Ghraib and Haditha, Ishaqi, etc. appears to be less a matter of "something that has routinely occurred in the last three years", and more of a matter of a deteriorating security situation during that period, and priorities that have changed as a result. Outrage is a luxury when trying to stay alive.

Posted by: has407 on June 3, 2006 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK

tug
You wanted some fresh perspective on Iraqui complaints.
http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com/
The archived entry under Sat May 27/06 is one place to start, but look around. These guys have an outlook you need to hear.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/CCF4D865-16DE-457A-91F3-917B1BF67B69.htm
This the the blogger whose book sold out

http://jarrsupariver.blogspot.com/
Further resources and an article on today's page.

Posted by: opit on June 3, 2006 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

Why do Bush-like Steve Benen never give the benefit of the doubt to our troops?

Posted by: Down goes Frazier on June 3, 2006 at 5:22 PM | PERMALINK

Nor have the Iraqis relented or recanted. This is from Aljazeera today:

"Iraq vowed on Saturday to press on with its own investigation into the deaths of civilians in a US raid on the town of Ishaqi, rejecting the US military's exoneration of its forces.

Adnan al-Kazimi, an aide to the prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, said the government would demand an apology from the United States and compensation for the victims in several cases, including the alleged massacre in the town of Haditha last year.

"We have from more than one source that the Ishaqi killings were carried out under questionable circumstances. More than one child was killed. This report was not fair for the Iraqi people and the children who were killed," al-Kazimi told Reuters."

Posted by: Tim Morris on June 3, 2006 at 5:42 PM | PERMALINK

Americans are noticing the gratuitous troop-bashing that the Democrats are engaged in.

Posted by: Paddy Whack on June 3, 2006 at 5:47 PM | PERMALINK

Notice Paddy Whack distinguishes "Americans" from "Democrats," just like his masters taught him to do.

Nobody's bashing the troops, "gratuitously" or otherwise, but Americans are noticing that Republicans are destroying everything that once made America great.

Posted by: Angry New Yorker on June 3, 2006 at 6:06 PM | PERMALINK

The world is taking note of the American brand of democracy...the one its been touting for 200 plus years...and thinking why they don't do something about it so that it flourishes there before trying to export it.

Posted by: SS on June 3, 2006 at 6:21 PM | PERMALINK

Steve Benen - what is it about you Liberals that you bash our troops at every opporunity?

Posted by: Paddy Whack on June 3, 2006 at 6:34 PM | PERMALINK

I just Googled Steven Benen's biography.

He is a yuppie Liberal. Spent some time in Bill Clinton's speech-writing office. Has a master's degree in something or other. Writes at Huffington Post and works with Barry Lynn and his organization.

Like most elitists, Benen thinks he knows everything, but has zero common sense.

Posted by: Afro Thunder on June 3, 2006 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK

Paddy Whack: Steve Benen - what is it about you Liberals that you bash our troops at every opporunity?

Why don't you direct that question to Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, the Prime Minister of Iraq, or the Deputy PM and acting Minister of Defense Salam al-Zubaie, who stated:

We in the ministers' cabinet condemned this crime and demanded that coalition forces show the reasons behind this massacre ... As you know, this is not the only massacre, and there are a lot... The coalition forces must change their behavior. Human blood should be sacred regardless of religion, party and nationality.
or would you prefer not to hear their answer?

Posted by: has407 on June 3, 2006 at 6:55 PM | PERMALINK

The new Iraqi government isn't buying that the American military brass has "cleared" the American troops from the allegation they killed 11 civilians in Ishaqi. They will continue their own investigation until "the truth can be found".

The worm has turned.
.

Posted by: VJ on June 3, 2006 at 7:04 PM | PERMALINK

Finally, a press secretary more pathetic than Scotty. How does Bush do it?

Yup.

Tell us all about Mike McCurry and the Snuffaluffagus...

Posted by: scott on June 3, 2006 at 7:04 PM | PERMALINK
Like most elitists, Benen thinks he knows everything, but has zero common sense.

Yep. And if he had any less common sense he would be supporting Bush's unwinnable war in Iraq.

By the way, hasn't anybody told you yet troll?

Iraq is L.O.S.T.

As in V.I.E.T.N.A.M.

LOST. LOST. LOST.
As in: LOSER BUSH COULDN'T WIN THE PEACE.

Even your masters in the oval office know that.
What's up? Didn't they send you the talking points yet?

Posted by: Cruel troll killer on June 3, 2006 at 7:07 PM | PERMALINK

Ignore the trolls. They are desperate because they are marginalized. A majority of Americans disapprove of Bush and his GOP-controlled Congress. What's a poor demented troll to do?

Posted by: Devil's Advocate on June 3, 2006 at 7:10 PM | PERMALINK

Christ! I hope the Iraqi's don't kick us out of their country! What will we do then????? We already purchased all those prosthetic legs, for God's sake ....

Posted by: Pat on June 3, 2006 at 7:37 PM | PERMALINK

Well I sure am looking forward to finding out what the Iraqi PM said. Maybe the press will ask him on Monday.

Posted by: grytpype on June 3, 2006 at 7:54 PM | PERMALINK

gee afro thunder, thanks for adding to the conversation here! if your have a problem with the stand-in moderator's positions why don't you state them instead just tossing out a mindless insult?

Posted by: mudwall jackson on June 3, 2006 at 8:01 PM | PERMALINK

Derelict-

"We've fucking had it with this shit. Get the fuck out of our country!"

Remember this statement November 8 when the Dems fail to take over either the House or the Senate...

Posted by: fletch on June 3, 2006 at 9:12 PM | PERMALINK

"Remember this statement November 8 when the Dems fail to take over either the House or the Senate..."

Why?

Posted by: forsythe on June 3, 2006 at 9:23 PM | PERMALINK

PowerLineBlog has an interesting post on developments in the Busby/Bilbray race, to replace Duke Cunningham.

Looks like Busby just sealed her doom.

Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on June 3, 2006 at 9:31 PM | PERMALINK


I just wish someone would ask Tony if the war in Iraq is going to last longer than WWII.

Posted by: 6 on June 3, 2006 at 9:55 PM | PERMALINK

You guys remind me of the famous quote from Arthur Sulzberger (NY Times Publisher) during Viet Nam, when his father asked him "If a young G.I. came upon a young Viet Cong soldier, who would you want to get shot?"

His answer? "I'd want the G.I. to get shot. It's the other guy's country."

Posted by: sportsfan79 on June 3, 2006 at 9:58 PM | PERMALINK

Misquoted, my ass. Khalilzad is a CIA stooge and as reliable as a $3 watch.

Why are we surprised when an Iraqi lashes out against the brutality of American troops, when we bulldoze their crops and laugh about doing it, and massacre unarmed people in a mosque, and deliberately kill journalists? This is not spreading democracy, folks.

I know that Americans desperately want to believe that our troops are angels of mercy, lightly touching the Iraqi people and anointing them with the pure waters of capitalistic goodness. The reality is quite different, Im afraid. There are some sick, sadistic perverts in our military who are alienating an entire part of the world and ensuring that revenge will be leveled against the U.S. that will make 9-11 look puny in comparison.

Open your eyes, people. Tell Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld - These things will not be done in our names!


Posted by: Stephen Kriz on June 3, 2006 at 10:19 PM | PERMALINK

Tony Snow is a light weight. Take him out of the realm of bashing liberals with platitudes and he is lost. He will fail as a press secretary. He is not up to the job. And the guy who hired him is not up to his job.

Posted by: little ole jim from red country on June 3, 2006 at 11:22 PM | PERMALINK

spill semen, not blood.

Posted by: someOtherClown on June 3, 2006 at 11:34 PM | PERMALINK

Censorship in DrumWorld, hmmm. If the Iraqi PM continues in making these anti-American tirades, he he is going to end up in the trunk of a car. Diemolition. By the way, Mavs & Heat can't be beat! Yowsa!

Posted by: Michael7843853 G-O in 08! on June 3, 2006 at 11:57 PM | PERMALINK

Tony has been tongue tide ever since he saw this naked pic of my wife...

Posted by: elmo on June 4, 2006 at 12:32 AM | PERMALINK

Here it is June already and I haven't heard a single complaint from my fellow New Orleaneans about the high temperatures: it must be either a) they're not high or b) hey, get used to it, it's always hot this time of year.
It's probably something like this in Iraq: a) there aren't lots of dead civilians or b) dead civilians are an essential component of democracy neo-con style and folks have factored that fact into their day-to-day lives.

Posted by: Brian Boru on June 4, 2006 at 1:08 AM | PERMALINK

Tony Snow is used to sitting in a secure studio with no one but gophers to do his bidding and a pat little script to recite to Faux viewers with 30 second attention spans. If he didn't like his own delivery of the lines, re-tape was always available.

Kind of out of his element, isn't he? ...Although I am sure he still has a staff of gophers...


Posted by: jcricket on June 4, 2006 at 1:31 AM | PERMALINK

All the freaky people make the beauty of the world

Posted by: Potame on June 4, 2006 at 5:34 AM | PERMALINK

When I saw the header "Snow Job" I thought this was going to be about Ms. Busby's request for minors to help her on her campaign. Just because the little tykes don't have papers doesn't mean they can't stuff envelopes, right? Why no comment on this issue from the reality based community?

Posted by: minion of rove on June 4, 2006 at 7:41 AM | PERMALINK

Time to start leaving. The Shiite goverment will need a hard hand and we don't ant to be around.

Posted by: Matt on June 4, 2006 at 8:03 AM | PERMALINK

At least the Iraqis have the freedom to leave their earthly bodies at the hands of American troops, a freedom denied them by Saddam!

Posted by: American Huckster on June 4, 2006 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK

Three cheers for Maliki! The first independent ruler of the new Iraq! I predict he may actually be able to unite a lot of Sunnis and Shiites around his rule, if he wisely keeps the focus on the US. He needs to keep hammering home the message, "This is our country. We are a sovereign people. There will be no permanent US military bases or control of our oil. US troops will be leaving by the end of the year, and they will be held responsible for any crimes they commit."

If he does that, he may be able to put an end to the sectarian violence (temporarily). Of course, there's still the Kurdish problem.

Posted by: Red on June 4, 2006 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

I will be with my Dear Leader in the bunker when he is at 3% in the polls and the men in white coats are coming to take us both away.

Posted by: Piddly Wanker on June 4, 2006 at 10:43 AM | PERMALINK

'Tony Snow is a light weight. Take him out of the realm of bashing liberals with platitudes and he is lost. He will fail as a press secretary. He is not up to the job. And the guy who hired him is not up to his job.'
--little ole Jim from red country

Amen, Jim.

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on June 4, 2006 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK

Sportsfan79 is in the best tradition of Stalin/Hitler apologists. Yes indeed, we must execute harmless Iraqi civilians (including children) in order for our troops to stay safe.

Just keep it up, wingnuts. Keep making excuses for this stuff. Wrap yourselves in the flag of phony patriotism.

Posted by: Speed on June 4, 2006 at 10:49 AM | PERMALINK

Instapundit has a an interesting take on the media's response to Haditha.

As usual, Instapundit is more mature and reflective than Steve Benen and Kevin Drum.

Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on June 4, 2006 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

Instapundit ha . . . ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: Joel on June 4, 2006 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

FreqKenny;

How can you tell? Instapusillanimous rarely steps
out on the ledge of committed positions until he is
convinced he cannot be shown in error. In other words, he wears supenders as well as a belt, and he looks both ways on a one-way street.

He always gives himself wiggle room with his suggestive innuendoes.

BTW the translation has been verified;

The only change; "daily occurence", actually
'regular ocurence'.

Posted by: Semanticleo on June 4, 2006 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK

The conservoblogs eagerly seize on rumors and hearsay coming out of Iran to ramp up the call to war, even if it turns out what they hear was misquoted, mistranslated, or completely made up. Meanwhile, Iraqis quite clearly and repeatedly tell us to leave, and this is shrugged aside as being "out of context."

Somehow, conservatives suffer under the delusion that people *like* having foreing troops occupying their country, and they will always hear that message regardless of what aforementioned people actually *say.*

Posted by: moderleft on June 4, 2006 at 11:44 AM | PERMALINK

How can people make excuses for this? Are they so morally vacant that mindless patriotism and partisanship trump any concept of decent human behavior?

Mrs. America, how's your favorite son?
Do you care just what he's done?
No!
Wild in the streets, running, running

Posted by: Speed on June 4, 2006 at 12:06 PM | PERMALINK

Semanticleo - I dunno, maybe Intapundit's style of waiting for facts to come in before he runs at the mouth is why his readers respect him. As I said, Instapundit is more "mature" than lefty bloggers.

Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on June 4, 2006 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK

Intapundit's style of waiting for facts to come in before he runs at the mouth

Ahh, so that explains why Insepidpundant was one of the lone voices cautioning the republic to be sure of the facts before the invasion.

Yeah, I can hear him now, "Let's double check the intel, let's not rush into a poorly planned military operation."

Yeah, right.

Kenneth, I'ld ask you to remove your head from your ass, but I gather it's keeping your fist company.

Posted by: Keith G on June 4, 2006 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

Keith G. - Instapundit has a large audience. He is interesting, thoughtul, mature. His work speaks for itself. Oh, and by the way, your references to sexual acts (12:45 post)puts you on the level of a 12 year old on the playground. But you already knew that.

Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on June 4, 2006 at 12:49 PM | PERMALINK

Okay, see, this is what's pissing me off. A serious situation is being discussed, a few trolls show up, and the thread instantly devolves into some sort of battle of the insults. And it's not even a worthwhile battle, considering I suspect the 29 percenters must have some sort of emotional or psychological imbalance to merely support this administration, let alone attempt to defend that support on an ideological opponent's blog.

So you like Instapundit because he's "mature", Frequency Kenneth. That's great. Why don't you follow the example you think he's setting for you and actually contribute something valuable to the conversation? Or do you have to wait for one of your thought-leaders to have an opinion before you can form your own?

Iraqi Prime Minister al-Maliki has spoken out against the massacre of innocent Iraqi citizens by the American military. White House Press Secretary Tony Snow attempted to deflect criticism of the attacks by stating that the Prime Minister was "misquoted". However, every possible translation of the Prime Minister's statement and additional comments on his part support his original denouncement.

What are your thoughts?

Posted by: Harrumph on June 4, 2006 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not here to think! I'm merely swallow and regurgitate!

Posted by: Another Wingnut on June 4, 2006 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Harrumph, he doesn't have any. He's here to troll and he's moderately successful at it, as are most trolls. That's because it takes no skill to troll; all it takes is the ability to make silly and idiotic comments and wait for those being trolled to bite, as they invariably do. This thread is a classic example, unfortunately.

Glenn Reynolds' posts on Haditha are not only not "mature," they contain not one shred of insight, logic, "reflection," or verifiable facts. They are classic, mindlessly partisan posts, containing strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks on the news media and on those who disagree with him. The posts are, in fact, typical of much of his work. I could fisk both of them but it's simply not worth the trouble.

As for Tony Snow, why would anyone be surprised that he lied? It's pretty much par for the course for this administration. And they will continue to do so for just as long as it continues to work. The truly sad thing is that it does.

Posted by: PaulB on June 4, 2006 at 2:43 PM | PERMALINK

Instapundit has a large audience.

So does boobs.com.....So?

He is interesting, thoughtul, mature. His work speaks for itself.

Sure does, especially his work dvocating the sending of nineteen yr old Americans to meet an increasingly pointless and needless death.

Posted by: Keith G on June 4, 2006 at 6:10 PM | PERMALINK

On a completely different note, did Marty Peretz recently suffer some kind of cranial injury? His recent posts at TNR are not just blinkered (as he usually is) but completely incomprehensible and insane, usually ending with ad hominem attacks against commenters who question premises such as "there are no Muslims in India." (Commenters who are, I should point out, uniformly paying subscribers! Evidently Marty has never been exposed to that wonder of capitalism, customer service.)

I realize that TNR's unspoken policy is to treat Peretz like the rich crazy uncle in the attic, but it's kind of hard to get others to ignore him when he keeps pounding on the dining room ceiling.

Posted by: tWb on June 4, 2006 at 11:39 PM | PERMALINK

Poor Tony.

He's a TV guy for crying out loud. He was paid to read what was put in front of him, and whether or not it was true did not affect his salary. Why would he have any idea how to answer, ya know, QUESTIONS? He's never had to deal with any, and he never had to think about what the crap he was reading meant.

I give him a month, two tops.

Then who is going to want the job?

Posted by: Repack Rider on June 5, 2006 at 12:50 AM | PERMALINK

Great discussion, per usual. I for one am still waiting on Kenneth's response Harrumph's pointed question: What do you think of the prime minister's confirmed comments that U.S. Soldiers are playing God with the property and lives of Iraqi citizens. What's that? Kenneth? Speak up, I can't hear you through all that sand.

I'd like to add that I don't believe people on this site are attacking the troops themselves. They're attacking the ridiculous, cruel circumstances of this war, and an administration that recklessly, needlessly thrust them into such a horrifying, chaotic situation. When the timing belt is replaced in your car, but the job is done wrong and it fucks up your engine, you don't blame the car. You blame the mechanic.

Posted by: Captain on June 5, 2006 at 3:38 AM | PERMALINK

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Posted by: dfds on June 5, 2006 at 5:04 AM | PERMALINK

Posted by Speed on 6/4 at 10:49:

Sportsfan79 is in the best tradition of Stalin/Hitler apologists. Yes indeed, we must execute harmless Iraqi civilians (including children) in order for our troops to stay safe.

Translation: Bush is the equivalent of Hitler. U.S. troops in Iraq are equivalent to Nazis. Every battle in Iraq is equivalent to My Lai.

I hope you liberal nutjobs scream this stuff from the rooftops. That's the stuff that keeps your kind out of office.

Posted by: sportsfan79 on June 5, 2006 at 2:08 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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