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June 8, 2006

0 FOR 2....Yesterday, Bill Frist and Senate Republicans kicked off the first of three major far-right initiatives with a vote on a constitutional ban on gay marriage. Step two was a vote today on the permanent repeal of the estate tax. It went about as well as yesterday.

A 57-41 vote fell three votes short of advancing the bill. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said the Senate will vote again this year on a tax that opponents call the "death tax."

"Getting rid of the death tax is just too important an issue to give up so easily," he said.

Frist may try again, but the votes just aren't there. Kudos to the two Republicans -- Lincoln Chafee (R.I.) and George Voinovich (Ohio) -- who had the good sense to vote "no." As Voinovich put it, "Repealing the estate tax during this time of fiscal crisis would be incredibly irresponsible and intellectually dishonest."

There's still talk of an almost-equally-irresponsible "compromise" under consideration, but in the meantime, today's vote was very encouraging. It was, as Atrios put it, a "rare moment of sanity" in the Senate.

As for the three big "Divide America" votes -- anti-gay amendment, flag burning, and estate tax -- the GOP is now 0-for-2. The flag amendment still appears to be a couple of votes short, but in case any wavering Democrats need a reminder about this cynical scheme, the New York Times had good editorial on the subject today. Let's hope a few of otherwise sensible Dems -- Sens. Reid, Rockefeller, Salazar, and Feinstein, I'm looking at you -- take the time to give it a read.

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Yeah but...
aren't these attempts at stupid laws designed to fail, designed to give Nov candidates ammunition against Dems who support gay marriaged, estate tax leveraging, flag burning same sex couples who hate amer? That is the game, no?

Posted by: the fake fake al on June 8, 2006 at 6:15 PM | PERMALINK

Well, its good to see that at least 4 Dems care about the family farm and Paris Hilton.

Maybe, everybody in Montana, Nebraska, Arkansas, Florida & adjacent States should give those four fine folks a call and tell them what you think.

Posted by: Pierre Asciutto on June 8, 2006 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK

Today, the Senate voted to maintain the status quo of the American government being in the business of grave-robbing. One of the earliest functions of civilization was to protect property interests, to ensure that somebody'the property of the deceased would go to help their family, rather than simply to the biggest or most powerful bully. It's shameful that we've forgotten such a fundamental tenant of civilized society.

Posted by: American Hawk on June 8, 2006 at 6:24 PM | PERMALINK

I am worried about Democrats compromising with Republicans on this issue. Estate taxes should be increased, not decreased in any way.

Posted by: Powerpuff on June 8, 2006 at 6:29 PM | PERMALINK

Since our founding fathers were the first to institute estate taxes, it's shameful that so many have forgotten such a fundamental tenant of our civilized society.

Posted by: Powerpuff on June 8, 2006 at 6:32 PM | PERMALINK

Americah Hawk,

I'll beglad to listen to your arguments for eliminating the estate tax when you provide us with a blueprint for getting rid of the $400 billion deficit that the GOP has run up since Bush took office in 2000.

Waiting....

Posted by: humble citizen on June 8, 2006 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

It's so good that the Republican Party is thinking seriously about further plunging this bankrupt nation into debt, in order to make the lives of dead multi-millionaires easier.

You know a party has its priorities straight when it's burdening future generations of taxpayers in order to take better care of dead ones.

Posted by: theorajones on June 8, 2006 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

"I would as soon leave my son a curse as the almighty dollar."
--Andrew Carnegie

Posted by: cyntax on June 8, 2006 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

William Gates Sr. appeared on PBS yesterday in opposition to the repeal. He ate a Bush toady, a think tank hack type, for lunch.

Posted by: nut on June 8, 2006 at 6:45 PM | PERMALINK

Humble Citizen Said:

Americah Hawk,

I'll beglad to listen to your arguments for eliminating the estate tax when you provide us with a blueprint for getting rid of the $400 billion deficit that the GOP has run up since Bush took office in 2000.

Waiting....

It is true that the GWOT has caused the treasury to be a bit strapped lately. It's also true that, witout social security refrom, the problem is only going to get worse. However, I'm not convinced that graverobbing is the answer. If your family hit up on rough times, would you start looking for corpses and going through their pockets, hoping to find their wallet? That's what the US government is doing.

Posted by: American Hawk on June 8, 2006 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK

The resulting cognitive dissonance from hearing Republicans say from one side of their mouths that people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and eschew handouts, while from the other corner they say the estate tax should be repealed so that we can safeguard vast sums of inherited wealth for people who have accomlpished nothing other than having the good sense to be born rich just gives me a headache. Still I can only imagine what it's doing to the people who are actually saying it.

Posted by: cyntax on June 8, 2006 at 6:47 PM | PERMALINK

. . and they've sent us along as a surrogate band, we'd like to find out where you fans really stand, are there any queers, in the audience tonight? get them up against the wall. And that one in the spotlight, he don't look right, get him up against the wall. That one looks jewish, and that one's a coon, who let all this riff-raff into the room? There's one smoking a joint, and another with spots, if I had my way, I'd have all of them shot.

Posted by: Pink on June 8, 2006 at 6:47 PM | PERMALINK

One of the earliest functions of civilization was to protect property interests, to ensure that somebody'the property of the deceased would go to help their family, rather than simply to the biggest or most powerful bully. It's shameful that we've forgotten such a fundamental tenant of civilized society.
Posted by: American Hawk on June 8, 2006 at 6:24 PM | PERMALINK

Um. No.

Even stupid animals defend their own property.

The earliest function of civilization was to protect eachother.

Posted by: Pink on June 8, 2006 at 6:49 PM | PERMALINK

American Hawk, really, try and learn something: there is no financial problem with social security. none. not today, not tomorrow, not 100 years from now. people who say what you said really don't deserve to be taken seriously.

now, if you want to share a concern about bush's medicare prescription drug benefit and its trifecta of being poorly designed, unaffordable, and disliked by many of its target audience, go right ahead, but that would require, like, criticizing george bush.

meanwhile, my recollection of american history is that we thought the whole idea of inherited wealth and power was one of those awful european constructs, typical of countries with royalty and titles and suchlike, not an american ideal. and not one person in the history of america has ever been "graverobbed." Whereever do you get your silly ideas from?

Posted by: howard on June 8, 2006 at 6:57 PM | PERMALINK

fake fake al:

The problem with the current GOP strategy is that it says in practice to the base "Remember to vote to protect the Republican Congress this fall, so that we can continue to fail to deliver any one single item off of your wish list for you."

I wonder how that message is playing.

Posted by: Shecky Blue on June 8, 2006 at 6:58 PM | PERMALINK

AH: If your family hit up on rough times, would you start looking for corpses and going through their pockets, hoping to find their wallet? That's what the US government is doing.

My take is that redistribution of wealth is a good thing for the society at large. Keep the money moving around and available, rather than tied up in some hedge fund or Grand Caymans account where the interest will be used to buy a yacht. I'd rather see the government loan the money to a small businessman who's trying to start a business in a depressed part of town, or on a Pell Grant for someone who needs help with college tuition. That helps society as a whole much better than someone who can buy their fifth vacation home in Steamboat.

Posted by: cyntax on June 8, 2006 at 7:01 PM | PERMALINK

You Liberals don't get it, Americans don't want your ghoulish grave robbing commie hands in their pockets to pay for crack whore welfare queens to get sex-change operations. That's why you keep losing elections.

Posted by: American Fuck on June 8, 2006 at 7:03 PM | PERMALINK

That helps society as a whole much better than someone who can buy their fifth vacation home in Steamboat.
Posted by: cyntax on June 8, 2006 at 7:01 PM | PERMALINK

But how will I find work in the US?

Posted by: gardener, illegal alien, Steamboat, CO on June 8, 2006 at 7:06 PM | PERMALINK

As Voinovich put it, "Repealing the estate tax during this time of fiscal crisis would be incredibly irresponsible and intellectually dishonest."

So, did Voinovich vote for fixing Social Security and against Medicare Part D? No? Gee, I wonder what's causing this fiscal crisis.... No matter how much we spend, we never have enough money. I know! Spend more!

Posted by: Shelby on June 8, 2006 at 7:08 PM | PERMALINK

Perhaps when AH has any clue about how capital gains taxes are assets on assets that are sold after the owner dies, he will be allowed to opine on the estate tax.

Posted by: Constantine on June 8, 2006 at 7:21 PM | PERMALINK

You Liberals don't get it, Americans don't want your ghoulish grave robbing commie hands in their pockets to pay for crack whore welfare queens to get sex-change operations. That's why you keep losing elections.

Uhhh... yeah.

Well that certainly clears up a few things; if only who forgot their meds this week.

Posted by: cyntax on June 8, 2006 at 7:23 PM | PERMALINK

Now AH wants to be like France.What gives?

Posted by: Now on June 8, 2006 at 7:33 PM | PERMALINK

If there is to be a "Flag Burning" amendment let it have a section that prohibits the display of all confederate mementos of the war of rebelion. That includes flags and statues of the traitors to the republic.
Interesting, NO?

Posted by: dilbert dogbert on June 8, 2006 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK

Republican leaders think that a majority of the American people are too stupid to see through these transparent acts of pandering to the worst in our citizens.

The results of recent elections appear to suggest that the Republican leaders are right.

Posted by: nut on June 8, 2006 at 7:42 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney: You seem like a reasonable person - what part of hedge funds or yacht / homebuilders in the U.S. does not "Keep the money moving around"? As for what's "better" that is in the eye of the beholder.

Well you're right of course some of it does, but there are things that I believe the government does do, which aren't predicated soley on market forces, but are worth doing. For example small business loans to minorities; another would be the GI Bill; the AmeriCorps program (though it could stand to be expanded). None of those seem like things that business' would take on, and in that way I don't think it's entirely in the eye of the beholder.

It's also useful to create monetary incentives for the very wealthy to promote endowments and foundations because people like Carnegie and Gates will be able to come up with useful and creative ways outside of the government bureaucracy for redistribution of wealth aside from simply relying on the market to get it right.

Posted by: cyntax on June 8, 2006 at 7:49 PM | PERMALINK
is it really "stupid" to want to prevent the burning of a flag?

Its not stupid to want to discourage that.

It is stupid to want to give the power to the government to punish it.


How about the Washington Monument, or White House - would those be O.K. to burn (again) in your opinion?

There is a difference between someone destroying their own private property that has a symbolic relationship to the country and destroying public property.

The first is and ought to be protected political expression, the other is vandalism, at best.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 8, 2006 at 7:52 PM | PERMALINK

Charlie posting as Cheney wrote: is it really "stupid" to want to prevent the burning of a flag?

Yes, it is very, very, very stupid.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on June 8, 2006 at 7:54 PM | PERMALINK

cheney: P.S. nut - is it really "stupid" to want to prevent the burning of a flag? How about the Washington Monument, or White House - would those be O.K. to burn (again) in your opinion?

Allow a few veterans to weigh in on that:

Gary May is a highly decorated former Marine who lost both of his legs during combat in Vietnam and serves as the chairman of Veterans Defending the Bill of Rights.

The pride and honor veterans like me feel is not in the flag itself, but in the principles the flag stands for and in the people who have defended them, said May in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1999.

Another prominent veteran, General Colin Powell, a former United States Secretary of State, has also opposed the amendment.

The First Amendment exists to insure that freedom of speech and expression applies not just to that with which we agree or disagree, but also that which we find outrageous, Powell stated. I would not amend that great shield of democracy to hammer a few miscreants. The flag will be flying proudly long after they have slunk away.

And as another veteran, let me say this is part of why I joined, to defend ideas, not objects.

Posted by: cyntax on June 8, 2006 at 7:55 PM | PERMALINK

How about an Amendment to prohibit desecration of the Bill of Rights by adding amendments that actually reduce the rights of Americans?

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on June 8, 2006 at 7:55 PM | PERMALINK

Those who favor repealing the estate tax seem all to eager to ignore the fact that most of the assets have never been taxed before. All we hear is the BS about how the dead are being robbed. Not the case. The dead are finally paying all those taxes that were never collected on the appreciation of their accumulated assets such as stocks, bonds, real estate. Do we really want to encourage an inherited ruling class in this country?

Posted by: sparky on June 8, 2006 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

Charlie posting as Cheney wrote: is it really "stupid" to want to prevent the burning of a flag?

Moreover, flags are stupid. Burn them all.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on June 8, 2006 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

sparky wrote: Do we really want to encourage an inherited ruling class in this country?

That's exactly what the Republican Party wants to encourage, since the Republican Party is a wholly-owned subsidiary of America's Hereditary Ruling Class, Inc., and that is the entire purpose of repealing the estate tax.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on June 8, 2006 at 7:59 PM | PERMALINK

nut:Do you have an answer to my question yet?

Posted by: Cheney

Comparing burning a flag to burning the Washington Monument or the White House is a bit of false equivalence for all the reasons in the Colin Powell quote restated below:

The First Amendment exists to insure that freedom of speech and expression applies not just to that with which we agree or disagree, but also that which we find outrageous, Powell stated. I would not amend that great shield of democracy to hammer a few miscreants. The flag will be flying proudly long after they have slunk away.

C'mon Cheney, 5 yard penalty for intentional disingenousness.

Night ya'll.

Posted by: cyntax on June 8, 2006 at 8:04 PM | PERMALINK

If there is to be a "Flag Burning" amendment let it have a section that prohibits the display of all confederate mementos of the war of rebelion. That includes flags and statues of the traitors to the republic.
Interesting, NO?

That is such a fucking fantastic idea.

Posted by: Stefan on June 8, 2006 at 8:09 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney,

I think there have been a couple of answers to your question already. First, it may be smart to want to prevent burning of a flag (depending on the flag of course. I'm not fond of North Korea's), but it is inconsistent with the fundamental constitutional principle of free expression to imprison somebody for doing this stupid thing. And please note that it is not burning the flag that gets a person in trouble. The VFW burn flags all the time. It's burning the flag disrespectfully.

Second, if there were a single U.S. Flag, kept under glass perhaps, like the original Constitution, then making its desecration a crime would be fine. It would be public property, like the Washington Monument. However criminalizing the desecration of any flag, even one privately owned, is nothing but an attempt to criminalize dissent. It attempts to make an idea, a symbol, public property as a way of controlling it.

So why does the Republican Party find symbols of liberty more important than liberty?

Posted by: glenn on June 8, 2006 at 8:13 PM | PERMALINK

I honestly don't see where this 'repeal the estate tax' mania comes from. Let's assume two things for the moment that conservatives should agree with, that taxation is necessary, and that taxation is unjust. By which I mean, taxation is a necessary evil.

Well, what tax is, or could even possibly be, less unjust than the estate tax? It's the only tax that doesn't take any money from the person who earned it! They're dead! Their children didn't earn that money and property. If you're going to repeal taxes, that should be the last one anyone wants to touch, if your goal is to let people keep more of their own hard-earned money.

Obviously, this isn't the only tax conservatives want to lower. But I don't get the obsession over this particular tax, at least for Republicans who don't come from wealthy families. I say raise the estate tax to near 100%, after funeral costs and maybe a partial home exception. If we run a budget surplus by doing so and eliminate the national debt (ha!), then let's lower a different tax.

I'm all for free enterprise and letting people keep their own money, but I could care less about people who want to grab their parents' cash and stuff. Earn your own way in life.

Posted by: ChiSox Fan in LA on June 8, 2006 at 8:25 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney: P.S. nut - is it really "stupid" to want to prevent the burning of a flag? How about the Washington Monument, or White House - would those be O.K. to burn (again) in your opinion?

Not as stupid as your so-called analogies, but yes it is stupid and just as stupid as banning the burning of a copy of the Democratic platform document would be.

American Chickenhawk: If your family hit up on rough times, would you start looking for corpses and going through their pockets, hoping to find their wallet? That's what the US government is doing.

No, it isn't.

And nobody's family is going to starve because of the estate tax.

Another chicken little moment from American Chickenhawk.

Posted by: Advocate for God on June 8, 2006 at 8:36 PM | PERMALINK

Uh, Cheney? If you take the flag off of my front porch and burn it, that is a crime. You'd be charged with theft and/or vandalism. You'd be charged with a crime if you burned the Washington Monument, since it doesn't belong to you.

If I take my flag off my front porch and burn it, however, it is not a crime. Nor should it be.

Don't forget that burning is the preferred way to disposing of old flags.

Posted by: mwg on June 8, 2006 at 8:44 PM | PERMALINK

What's more important, protecting freedom, or a symbol of that freedom?

Posted by: Fred F. on June 8, 2006 at 8:52 PM | PERMALINK

I honestly don't see where this 'repeal the estate tax' mania comes from.
Posted by: ChiSox Fan in LA on June 8, 2006 at 8:25 PM | PERMALINK

It makes Liberals angry.
Ergo - Conservatives support it.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on June 8, 2006 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINK

It is really nuts to want to prevent the burning of a flag!

Chain-knee knows it, American Pie knows it.

We all know it.

Posted by: Pierre Asciutto on June 8, 2006 at 9:02 PM | PERMALINK

Moreover, flags are stupid. Burn them all.

I dunno. Brasil's got a really bitchin' flag.

Posted by: shortstop on June 8, 2006 at 9:08 PM | PERMALINK

I dunno. Brasil's got a really bitchin' flag.

You ain't kiddin', he does bitch a lot.

Oh, you said flag.

My bad. ;)

Posted by: rimshot on June 8, 2006 at 9:27 PM | PERMALINK

Charlie posting as Cheney wrote: is it really "stupid" to want to prevent the burning of a flag?

Yes.
Charlie's priorities: protecting fetuses and colorful pieces of cloth. The poor, the sick, those are all far down the list.

Posted by: haha on June 8, 2006 at 10:17 PM | PERMALINK

Charlie's priorities: protecting fetuses and colorful pieces of cloth. The poor, the sick, those are all far down the list.

You forgot "make jokes about dead kids". That's at the very top.

He's one sick bastard.

Posted by: Vladi G on June 8, 2006 at 10:40 PM | PERMALINK

These two so-called "divide America" proposals each won a majority in the Senate. I suspect they have majority support among the populace. If anyone is dividing America, it's the minority of Senators who defeated these two popular measures by means of filibusters.

Posted by: ex-liberal on June 8, 2006 at 11:06 PM | PERMALINK

I agree with other posters. An amendment against flag burning is an attempt to suppress dissent, even though I find such an act to express dissent, as extremely stupid.

But also, I oppose this amendment because (forgive me), this is simply NOT a BURNING issue! People are not out there burning flags!

Can we concentrate on real issues like global warming, getting off our oil addiction, education, health care, poverty, and the fact that we have little bargaining power left on the world stage?

Posted by: Wolfdaughter on June 8, 2006 at 11:24 PM | PERMALINK

Gay marriage, estate tax, flag burning and summer isn't even here yet. We still have time for abortion, building a fence along our southern border, putting Ronald Reagan's face on the dime (sorry FDR), reopening the Whitewater investigation and digging up Terry Schiavo. This Republican government is doing a great job taking care of our nation's business. After all these pressing issues are taken care of maybe they'll try to do a little something about the deficit, oil prices, health care costs, government corruption (well, maybe not, since they are the government), THE WAR, education, declining middle class wages, and the remote possibility that there's some scientific evidence to support all the Chicken Littles out there who are screaming about global warming.

Posted by: sparky on June 9, 2006 at 12:02 AM | PERMALINK

I was out of the office today and I must say this estate tax business bears more of a resemblence to masturbating in the bathroom with a copy of Playboy than actual lawmaking.

Its kind of amazing that, considering we all pay for the salaries of the Senators, that a bill like this, when they know the outcome of the vote in advance, is nothing more than a ploy to get some time on T.V. this Sunday.

With all the cable channels, its not as if you have to actually do anything to get on T.V., of course, but still.

Considering that the only reason we have taxes is to fund the operations of the government, and considering that the government is running massively in the red and no one has any serious proposals for cutting spending, other than Democrats of course who at least would cut some military spending, this talk of tax cuts, of the friggen estate tax no less! ha!, is just unbelievable.

Posted by: hank on June 9, 2006 at 1:51 AM | PERMALINK

We need to start talking about the Republican Program to Divide America.

Posted by: Jim on June 9, 2006 at 3:52 AM | PERMALINK

>>According to the most recent statistics from the Internal Revenue Service, 1.17% of people who died in 2002 left a taxable estate.

Wonder of wonders: Landrieu (D-LA), Nay (offset by David Vitter (R-LA) Yea - ugh)

Kudos to whoever twisted Ms. Mary's arm. But it didn't take long for her to revert to type:
Deal Is Made on War, Storm Spending Bill
From the Associated Press
June 9, 2006

'GOP leaders overcame the last snag two Senate GOP moderates' insistence that the bill include a promise to increase future spending on education and health programs by winning endorsement from Democratic Sens. Mary L. Landrieu of Louisiana and Daniel K. Inouye of Hawaii.'

'Cause I'm sure ya'll understand that neither LA or HI need anything in the way of education and spending. The state just cut the Lafayette schools to the tune of $2.4M on the strength of sales taxes collections generated by all that FEMA money which was floating around here last year...of course the FEMA money's long gone but we still have several thousand extra kids in the system...

Lincoln (D-AR), Yea

One the poorest states in the country but it's pretty obvious that this cat has exactly 8 constituents.

Rockefeller (D-WV), Not Voting

Doh!

Posted by: CFShep on June 9, 2006 at 8:29 AM | PERMALINK

Can we concentrate on real issues like global warming, getting off our oil addiction, education, health care, poverty, and the fact that we have little bargaining power left on the world stage?
Posted by: Wolfdaughter

'The Republicans are promoting a kind of Robin Hood in reverse. They are trying to enrich their friends and donors. Along the way they're shifting risk from government's shoulders onto individuals. The Republicans are pretty much dividing the spoils among themselves and their donors and leaving the rest of us to fend for ourselves.' - Jared Bernstein

"Thirty years ago, the richest 1 percent owned less than a fifth of America's wealth. Now, according to a recent report by the Fed Reserve Board, they own more than a third. Not since the days of the robber barons of the 19th century have we seen this much wealth concentrated in so few hands." - Robert B. Reich: 'Estate tax pyramid scheme'

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