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June 9, 2006

MAY THE BETTER DEMAGOGUE WIN....The debate among conservatives over "a la carte" cable -- in which consumers pay only for cable TV channels they want -- got a little more interesting this week when the James Dobson weighed in, on the opposite side of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.

Advocates for cable choice have picked up a big endorsement: Dr. James Dobson, the founder and chairman of Focus on the Family Action. [...]

Daniel Weiss, senior media and sexuality analyst for Focus on the Family Action, said even if a family blocks objectionable channels, it still winds giving money to the company's behind them.

"You're not only losing money out of your own wallet," he said, "you're actually subsidizing and helping to fund the very program you find reprehensible. That's simply not an option."

Except to many of Dobson's closest allies, it has to be an option.

The FCC says that the average household watches only 17 channels -- and apparently, evangelical right-wingers aren't pulling in many viewers. As far as Robertson, Falwell, Benny Hinn, and a few others are concerned, if consumers pick which cable channels to receive, they probably won't sign up for Christian Broadcasting Network and Trinity Broadcasting Network. For TV preachers, fewer households means fewer viewers, and fewer viewers means less power, influence, and cash.

It's set up quite a fight among the theocons. Focus on the Family and the Parents Television Council want a-la-carte cable so families won't have to pay for channels they find offensive. CBN and Falwell ministries are in a panic over a-la-carte cable because, without it, they're effectively going to be run off the air.

Colby May, a lawyer for Robertson's American Center for Law and Justice, noted that religious broadcasters believe the measure "will cause a significant dent in their ability to fill the great commission: to go into all the world and share the news that Jesus is Lord."

Who'll win? Stay tuned.

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There is something James Dobson and I agree on?

Maybe there is a God, because that is a miracle.

Posted by: majun on June 9, 2006 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK

It's like mixed nuts, you always have the crappy ones left, that's why I's rather buy just the nuts I want.

Posted by: nutty little nut nut on June 9, 2006 at 12:31 PM | PERMALINK

Let 'em fight, I love it when they fight, keep 'em fighting.

Posted by: jerry on June 9, 2006 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

IS there a way we all can weigh in?

Posted by: J.S. on June 9, 2006 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

Another 'Cash Cow' business model threatened...
we will see how this fray plays out when the money kicks in.

Always wondered why I should be paying cable fees to get a dozen shopping channels... that the cable company was getting paid to shove down my throat.

Nice work if you can get it.

Posted by: Buford on June 9, 2006 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

"Senior media and sexuality analyst"

Does he get paid for watching Cinemax? And, how do I get a job like that?

Posted by: JR on June 9, 2006 at 12:40 PM | PERMALINK

I can't tell the difference between the home shopping channels and the prayer channels, so I program the remote to skip them all.

Posted by: craigie on June 9, 2006 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

I'm a DirecTV subscriber and I see I'm "subsidizing:

The Church Channel 371
Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) 372
The Word 373
BYU 374

Of course the biggest outrage is NASA TV - 376 - with all that unhinged misinformation about the world be a sphere and man having walked on the moon!

Posted by: Robert on June 9, 2006 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

I'm for choice of cable channels. Packaging channels is monopolistic competition. But will we really have competition when/if this is enacted? I don't see how. I will still have two choices for delivery of the product, e.g. the local cable channel or a dish. That is an oligoploy at best.

The high prices of cable show that it is a non-regulated monopoly (all right an oligopoly with tacit collusion of the competitors). That is the reason I don't get it and I know many other people who feel the same way and also don't get cable. Why did we give monopolies to these companies? I think there must have been payoffs somewhere.

Posted by: NeilS on June 9, 2006 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

What a perfect example of Public Choice Theory (well, at least in its most basic form). Laws and regulations are not passed in order to benefit all of us but rather to benefit those who pass the laws. As this now includes lobbies of various kinds here we have it: no one is arguing about what is right for the consumer (it might be that unbundling would lead to higher overall prices but lets not get into that now) only about what is right for those who can influence the process.

BTW, public choice theory used to be called cynicism.

Posted by: failingeconomist on June 9, 2006 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK

"Colby May...noted that religious broadcasters believe the measure "will cause a significant dent in their ability..."

He says that like it is a bad thing...

"On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog" - Peter Steiner

Posted by: daCascadian on June 9, 2006 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

I'm against a-la-carte cable myself.

Posted by: MNPundit on June 9, 2006 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

Uh, every one of these evangelical clown started on satellite and UHF, and managed to slowly expand by buying airtime on small local stations. (Back when I worked in TV, the 700 Club bought two hours a day.)

Going a la carte with cable will knock these nitwits back to where they came from--satellite, UHF, and being forced to pay for airtime on local stations. There are worse things that can happne to this country.

Posted by: Derelict on June 9, 2006 at 12:54 PM | PERMALINK

The catfight should be entertaining, but I wouldn't lose sight of the fact that Falwell and Robertson make a good point (even for their own selfish reasons). "A la carte" is going to push up people's cable bills and marginalize whole swaths of interesting, engaging programming on smaller channels that will get left behind. What will likely happen to combat it is a rush to the bottom - shows that are tacky, salacious, extreme... anything that will guarantee attention and viewer eyes. Cable is a rich marketplace because of the variety, and ass an inveterate channel flipper, I've tripped over all sorts of interesting things on channels I never even knew I had. I'd hate to lose it. And to lose it because Dobson thinks censorship is preferable... well, don't get me started.

Posted by: weboy on June 9, 2006 at 12:58 PM | PERMALINK

I'm guessing they would create a price structure that only rewarded a la carte consumers if they chose 3 or fewer cable channels. Most people would stick with the packages.

Posted by: B on June 9, 2006 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

"senior media and sexuality analyst"

Dood! Where do I sign up?

Posted by: gussie on June 9, 2006 at 1:03 PM | PERMALINK

IMHO, the a-la-carte cable issue merely seems like a way for the cable companies to take in more money. I have yet to hear anyone say how any channel will be priced.

In an ABC News claiming a la carte would same consumers money http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=1600757&page=2
It says
"...consumers could receive as many as 20 channels without seeing an increase in bills, the FCC staff said Thursday, blaming its earlier finding on faulty data it obtained from the cable industry..."

Am I missing something? Are they saying we could get 20 channels for the price of our current 40-50 channels?

For the argument of "most people only watch 17 channels anyway"- it doesn't matter. If I can get more than what I want for the same price, I'm okay with that.

Posted by: Ted on June 9, 2006 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK

Thank you James Dobson for pointing out I have to subsidize those evangelical fucks over at Trinity and Daystar (not mentioned in the post).

Although I enjoy watching Paula White shake her gospel booty, I would never choose to pay for it. She should start her own evangelical porn site on the web.

Posted by: Hostile on June 9, 2006 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

That cable choice will wreck lots of barely hanging on stuff doesn't bother me in the least. If I'm doing to use my money to subsidize stuff, I want ti to go to something with a legitimate public interest. And all that marginal stuff I get as part of a cable suscription doesn't qualify.

Especially as the channels I'm liking more and more -- HBO, for example, now that Entourage is starting a new season -- are premium one requiring I fork over even more money.

As I see it, I'm paying twice, once for all the cable crap I never watch and then again for the premium channels.

I'll pay for what I want to watch. Everyone else can pay for what they want to watch.

If that means driving Robertson and Falwell off cable -- well, that's a price I'm willing to pay.

Posted by: auto on June 9, 2006 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK

"Colby May, a lawyer for Robertson's American Center for Law and Justice, noted that religious broadcasters believe the measure "will cause a significant dent in their ability to fill the great commission: to go into all the world and share the news that Jesus is Lord."

I swear I read this part of the quote: "will cause a significant dent in their ability to beg for money from fools willing to send it to them."

Of course, props to Robert for making me laugh today.

"Of course the biggest outrage is NASA TV - 376 - with all that unhinged misinformation about the world be a sphere and man having walked on the moon!"

lmao!

Posted by: sheerahkahn on June 9, 2006 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

while i'd love to be able to get rid of all those channels i know i don't like, i don't want to get rid of the ones i haven't yet seen.

ex. i know if i was picking channels off a list, there's no way i'd pick something called "Ovation" if i didn't know what it was - but it turns out they show a lot of interesting old concerts on that channel; and i've spent many a late night watching some old band play a bunch of songs i'd forgotten about.

Posted by: cleek on June 9, 2006 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

We can get rid of porno and Pat Robertson at the same time? Sign me up.

Just so I get my allottment of Law and order reruns.

Posted by: save the rustbelt on June 9, 2006 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not surprised to hear that Falwell and Robertson have a hard time making it in the marketplace, but I'm still a bit confused. I thought just about all of the right-wing media outlets were being subsidized by the Richard Mellon-Scaifes and Sun Myung Moons of the world. Why can't the 700 club jump on that gravy train?

Posted by: gorillagogo on June 9, 2006 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

For $13/mo., we get about 50 channels on cable, reflecting about 25 cents/mo per channel. Since we only actually watch about 5 or 6 of these, I'm really looking forward to my bill dropping to $1-$2 per month. Really.

Posted by: Qwerty on June 9, 2006 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

senior media and sexuality analyst

I love it! Not only does he get to analyze sex all day, but he's the senior sex analyst too. That means he worked his way up the ladder - I imagine he started out as an intern sex analyst, and was recently promoted from junior or associate sex analyst. I bet he gets to keep all sorts of porn and Girls Gone Wild videos in his office and on his computer too.

Man, I had Dobson's posse gauged all wrong. Yeah baby, yeah!

Posted by: Irony Man on June 9, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

There they go The religious nuts wanting free Hand outs from hard working taxpayers.The porn channels would let them have some free airtime,Thats the people they want to reach anyway.Tell Falwell and Dobson to pony up baby that is what the free markets are all about.

Posted by: American Hawk on June 9, 2006 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

The issue of cable monopolists ending subsidy of networks that do not attract subscribers has a problem. Cox is my cable provider and when I first subscribed the Independent Film Channel was part of my service package. I really enjoyed that channel. Cox then dropped it and replaced it with the Discovery Health channel, which I never watch. Even if some good networks are subsidized with the current system, there is no guarantee the cable provider will continue to provide them since they can be dropped for a network that pays the cable provider more. Also, the Golf Channel sucks!

Posted by: Powerpuff on June 9, 2006 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

senior media and sexuality analyst

I believe that's a position at The Daily Show.

Posted by: DonBoy on June 9, 2006 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

Package pricing allows worthy but low-rated channels like IFC and Sundance to stay in business. A la carte pricing will reduce the amount of quality programming and increase the amount of populist crap.

Posted by: jivetalk on June 9, 2006 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

DonBoy:

Top or bottom?

Posted by: Don P. on June 9, 2006 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

The whole thing is a BS argument anyway.

Pull the plug and sign up for Netflix. Get all the programming you want.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on June 9, 2006 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

I'm all for some choice.

Just so you Lefties know there's some agreement between us... sometimes...

Screw the 700 Club, et al.
And I don't need most of that other crap either.
No Barney. No Teletubbies. Etc.

Posted by: Birkel on June 9, 2006 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

The porn channels would let them have some free airtime,
Posted by: American Hawk on June 9, 2006 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe they could get a tax break for that.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on June 9, 2006 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

OBF:

Does Netflix carry "What Not to Wear"?

Posted by: Don P. on June 9, 2006 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

It would seem that Dobson, in this instance, is principled. He decries the negative aspects of TV and supports a parent's right to avoid them. It is amazing that he doesn't go off on a polemic about the evils of cable TV. He is being pragmatic; it's the first time I've seen that from him.

I firmly believe that Falwell and Robertson, etc. should be allowed to remain in the mix. They need to pay the cable companies, however, such that having Robertson on your list lowers the cost. Five religious channels would offset the cost of 5 desirable channels. They then have the opportunity to convince watchers to send in donations to support the service.

I won't hold my breath.

Posted by: Mudge on June 9, 2006 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

i find christian boradcasting network offensive. i don't think i should have to pay for it

Posted by: darwin on June 9, 2006 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK
Pull the plug and sign up for Netflix. Get all the programming you want.

Netflix can't replace C-SPAN, or even (less than ideal as they are) the live coverage provided by cable news channels of breaking events.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 9, 2006 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

Pass the popcorn!

Meanwhile, for all you secular humanists out there, as well as truly thinking Christians, check out the DVD "The God Who Wasn't There."

Posted by: Cal Gal on June 9, 2006 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, cmdicely - ANY "live" event could theoretically be burned on DVD(s) and mailed out that same day - I think your issue is that no one like Netflix is providing that service (yet).

Posted by: Don P. on June 9, 2006 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK
Actually, cmdicely - ANY "live" event could theoretically be burned on DVD(s) and mailed out that same day

And, so? You still wouldn't be able to watch it in realtime. Or, given the USPS, watch it for a couple days after it happened.

I think your issue is that no one like Netflix is providing that service (yet).

Well, no, my issue was that even if someone was providing that service, it still wouldn't replace those functions I mentioned.

That such a theoretically-possible replacement, in addition to being a poor replacement, also doesn't actually exist is, though, a factor weighing against considering it a reason to abandon existing services for Netflix, which doesn't include the non-existent service you suggest.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 9, 2006 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Which is why I was asking what Netflix carried, you idiot!

Posted by: Don P. on June 9, 2006 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

We stopped watching TV in the early '90s. Since movies were all I wanted anyway, buying and renting videos and dvds (Yay netflix!)worked for us. I love being able to pick and choose from the best on offer. In the short term, I miss stuff, but if it's great, I'll be able to rent or buy it later. I haven't seen John Stewart, or Stephen Colbert and the fun, of course is the immediacy. That is a real loss, but I get my news and opinion on the internet and in print and I haven't been forced to endure a commercial or a blithering idiot since 1993. Try it. You might like it.

Posted by: Dixie Myers on June 9, 2006 at 2:49 PM | PERMALINK

IMHO, the a-la-carte cable issue merely seems like a way for the cable companies to take in more money. I have yet to hear anyone say how any channel will be priced.

Yup. Simplified, the way it works out is:

Say you pay $50 for 200 channels -- a quarter a channel and every channel gets 10 cents of that. But you only really watch five cable channels. The cable company already knows that you will pay $50 for those five channels, so that's what they want to charge you, $10 a channel. That way they can keep $49.50 of the money, instead of $30. The content producers of course want to keep getting 10 cents of every channel.

Both sides want to screw you; they are just fighting over which of them get to screw you more.

Posted by: tavella on June 9, 2006 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK
Which is why I was asking what Netflix carried, you idiot!

You didn't ask anything, moron, you made an idiotic, presumptuous statement about what you assumed my real objection was. Which, like your past mind-reading attempts, was wrong.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 9, 2006 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK
That is a real loss, but I get my news and opinion on the internet and in print and I haven't been forced to endure a commercial or a blithering idiot since 1993.

Uh, you get your news and opinion from the internet (and apparently read the comments on blogs) and haven't had to endure a blithering idiot? How'd you manage that?

Posted by: cmdicely on June 9, 2006 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

Top or bottom?

Angry bottom. Like Donald Rumsfeld.

Posted by: shortstop on June 9, 2006 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

senior media and sexuality analyst

I believe that's a position at The Daily Show.

My immediate thought as well. Has Rob Corddry been replaced?

It's tough to be in the satire biz when reality (such as it is) keeps running out ahead of you.

Posted by: Tom F on June 9, 2006 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

Dobson has no skin in the game on this, so's I suspect that has something to do with this. His Spokeperson's answer actually made sense. He's not a big TV Preacher -- in fact, he's not a Preacher at all, so his revenues are unlikely to be impacted by this.

I can even see a scenario where his organization might benefit financially if it does pass, as his share of winger money might go up.

It will be interesting to see where the apple ends up falling on this one.

Several years ago I was really annoyed when they allowed DVD manufacturers to force you to watch their commercials. I knew that would pass, because big business wanted it. My guess is that whichever way big business ends up falling is the way this'll end up.

Posted by: Tony Shifflett on June 9, 2006 at 3:21 PM | PERMALINK

cmdicely

I guess the operative word is "had", you know like you "have" to watch a commercial to get to the next scene of the movie? Of course I've endured blithering idiots (and been one, too), but it was voluntary. Sheesh, I listen to Bush speeches.

Posted by: Dixie Myers on June 9, 2006 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK
Dobson has no skin in the game on this, so's I suspect that has something to do with this. His Spokeperson's answer actually made sense. He's not a big TV Preacher -- in fact, he's not a Preacher at all, so his revenues are unlikely to be impacted by this.

In fact, he's a Christian Right political influence peddler who competes with the big TV preachers for political pull, and very much has skin in this game.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 9, 2006 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

cmdicely, yeah. I should've fleshed out my argument better. He does have skin in the game. Gotta try and grab some of their revenue!

Posted by: Tony Shifflett on June 9, 2006 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

...religious broadcasters believe the measure "will cause a significant dent in their ability to fill the great commission: to go into all the world and share the news that Jesus is Lord."

Is this really a problem, in a country with a Christian church on every other streetcorner??

Posted by: Grumpy on June 9, 2006 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

What is so beautiful as a knock-down, drag-out revenue fight between soldiers of Jesus?

Posted by: shortstop on June 9, 2006 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

cmdicely:

You stuck your LARGE ASS into my conversation with someone where I, indeed, was asking what Netflix carried. FUCK YOU!

Posted by: Don P. on June 9, 2006 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

shortstop, are you a tongue or a groove?

Posted by: nance on June 9, 2006 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

Why do you ask, nance?

Posted by: shortstop on June 9, 2006 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

If we got an a la carte broadcasting choice, not only would the televangilists and some of the shopping stations fold, but the rest of the country would get another demographic for hard right "Christians."

Posted by: JeffII on June 9, 2006 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

shortstop, are you a tongue or a groove?
Posted by: nance

Why do you ask, nance? Posted by: shortstop

(Jumping up and down while raising his hand, practically wetting himself.)

Oh! Oh! I know, I know!

Posted by: JeffII on June 9, 2006 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

Oh! Oh! I know, I know!

Hee. Me. too. But I wanted to hear Charlie say it.

Posted by: shortstop on June 9, 2006 at 4:17 PM | PERMALINK

Get a room!

Posted by: Don P. on June 9, 2006 at 4:17 PM | PERMALINK

Love to watch these guys implode.

I expect if we go to a-la-carte cable, it'll boost the popularity of internet TV. Internet TV will be the only way to look for new channels and shows--it'll be the only way to surf, really. People will occasionally go on the internet, find new (free) shows, and get drawn in. Sometimes they'll subscribe to a new channel to get the shows they saw on the internet, sometimes they won't and they'll either quit watching them or start watching them on the internet. As the older generation passes on, kids who gre up watching a larger and larger percentge of cool new shows on internet TV will find old TV more and more confining, expensive, and pointless.

Just a theory.

Posted by: theorajones on June 9, 2006 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK


NANCE: shortstop, are you a tongue or a groove?

Well, she's often tongue-in-cheek, actually; but word is she does have a groovy tongue.


Posted by: jayarbee on June 9, 2006 at 4:48 PM | PERMALINK

nance, I think shortstop is describing what she fantasizes about while she's pleasuring herself with her Jeff Stryker dildo.

Posted by: Don P. on June 9, 2006 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK

theorajones,

As the older generation passes on, kids who grew up watching a larger and larger percentage of cool new shows on internet TV will find old TV more and more confining, expensive, and pointless.

Well, maybe. Though how expensive can "old TV" be? If the kids are watching shows over the internet, they're likely doing it via cable anyway. And I don't think cable pricing is likely to go anywhere but down.

And of course there's old old TV, the kind that doesn't provide access to cable channels and is probably as remote to most of this readership as washing clothes by hand. Pathetic, isn't it? Only a few channels, usually lousy image quality you might as well go all the way back to radio, and Lord knows that's completely irrelevant these days. Hey, wait a minute . . .

Seriously, I miss the days of earnest Lefties ritually demolishing TVs in Berkeley's Sproul Plaza. Nowadays even serious bloggers seem tube-addicted. I don't mean to pick on theorajones, but doesn't anyone find the idea that the Youth Of Tomorrow will decide whether TV lives or dies because the YOT just absolutely must have the coolest "shows" a little disturbing? Perhaps the YOT might be induced to investigate that antiquated technological artifact called a "book." Even just a little?

Posted by: waterfowl on June 9, 2006 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK

What is so beautiful as a knock-down, drag-out revenue fight between soldiers of Jesus?
Posted by: shortstop

Finest kind.

Posted by: CFShep on June 9, 2006 at 5:37 PM | PERMALINK

i'm with dobson this one. if robertson, et al can't survive in the market, tough.

Posted by: Brian on June 9, 2006 at 6:06 PM | PERMALINK

People still subscribe to cable television? What suckers.

Posted by: Pechorin on June 9, 2006 at 6:17 PM | PERMALINK

I'm suprised those right-wing evangelicals caught on. I support a la carte cable because 1) it would allow the marketplace that corporations so uncritically admire, to decide the viability of programs, plus break the high fee grip Disney (ESPN, Disney Channel) et al have a cable providers, and 2) a move to a la carte should allow me to decline to purchase religious programs. I'm an agnostic, plus TV evangelicals strike me as nothing more than latter-day snake oil salesmen ("Elmer Gantry" style).

Sometimes i even find myself supporting the right-wingers call for more "church" in the church-stae relationship. Because, like in Europe, church attendance (and the influence of the Falwells and the Dobsons)will fall dramatically, when Americans start paying taxes to support primarily Christian denominations and begin to view churches as just another government agency.

Posted by: Allen on June 9, 2006 at 7:32 PM | PERMALINK

Well, she's often tongue-in-cheek, actually; but word is she does have a groovy tongue.

I assume you're referring to my deathless oratory, not to anything else, right, mr. jayarbee?

Charlie/Don P./nance, I'd have suggested that you kiss my ass, but I'm not planning on being the first woman you see naked.

Posted by: shortstop on June 9, 2006 at 8:42 PM | PERMALINK

CFShep: Finest kind.

A beautiful, purely Southern expression. Reminds me of my mom.

Posted by: shortstop on June 9, 2006 at 8:50 PM | PERMALINK

I am torn on this issue since I watch a lot of The Science Channel and I doubt there are enough geeks like me out there to support it.

I love the fact that I can select or deselect whatever channels I see on the menu with Directv. When I had cable I had to scroll through all the crap I had no interest in.

And I gotta have my Sunday Ticket - GO VIKES! :-)

Posted by: ecostudent on June 9, 2006 at 9:13 PM | PERMALINK

I'd like the opportunity to protect my children from pornography, obscenity and indecency.

Unfortunately, there will always be Republicans on the evening news.

Posted by: Ray on June 9, 2006 at 10:26 PM | PERMALINK

In case anyone is interested, full color, high resolution images of shortstop's naked body are available in the American College of Surgeons' Guide To Hideous Physical Deformities And Abnormalities.

They're not for the squeamish.

Posted by: nance on June 9, 2006 at 10:38 PM | PERMALINK


SHORTSTOP: I assume you're referring to my deathless oratory, not to anything else, right, mr. jayarbee?
Wouldn't presume to refer to anything else, ms. shortstop. Any such other talents as your tongue may possess are between you and your ball team.

NANCE: They're not for the squeamish.
Don't know about that, but your humor is for the malicious.


Posted by: jayarbee on June 10, 2006 at 1:05 AM | PERMALINK

mr. jayarbee: Wouldn't presume to refer to anything else, ms. shortstop. Any such other talents as your tongue may possess are between you and your ball team.

And they've signed a confidentiality agreement! That was some fine foresight on my part, huh?

Posted by: shortstop on June 10, 2006 at 1:17 AM | PERMALINK

I work in cable and I've alway's been against the ala-carte option.

I think I just changed my mind!
Anything that minimizes the Right-wing's Christian noise machine has to be good!

Support TRUE net-nuetrality, not what the Cable and Telco's are backing.

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