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June 14, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

EXPECTATIONS....President Bush talks about Iraq today:

I hope there's not an expectation from people that all of a sudden there's going to be zero violence.

No, I don't think there is. But then, outside of the White House, no one ever had that expectation in the first place.

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This is too funny! This man is thoroughly incompetent.

Posted by: lksdfjks on June 14, 2006 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

No Bushie...

You've FUIBAR.

We know it is only going to get worse.

You are doing a heckuva job making enemies for America.

Posted by: koreyel on June 14, 2006 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

I hope there's not an expectation from people that all of a sudden there's going to be zero violence.

So if there's any more than absolutely zero violence, then Bush will have been proved right yet again and his vicious, anonymous critics who were demanding zero, zero! violence will have been proved wrong....

"I also hope there's not an expectation from people that all of a sudden there's going to be chocolate frosted doughnuts raining from heaven, because that would be unrealistic and I'm here to tell you as a hard-headed realist that that isn't going to happen...."

Posted by: Stefan on June 14, 2006 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK

Boo-Freakin-Hoo

Posted by: nut on June 14, 2006 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK

Is it too much to ask to give our brave troops time to do their job?

Freedom is on the march!

Posted by: American (Chicken)Hawk on June 14, 2006 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK

Our troops have done their job. Too bad they can't come home because the guy in charge didn't do his.

Posted by: theorajones on June 14, 2006 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

I'm pretty sure there is already essentially zero violence in Iraq - it is just the liberal media that refuses to show this fact to the American people.

So why is Bush saying don't expect zero violence? Doesn't he know the meme-of-the-day?

I'm confused. Do I believe Bush or do I believe his evil minions? Decisions decisions.

Posted by: Tripp on June 14, 2006 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

Man, that soft bigotry of low expectations is one smelly mess to scrap off the shoes...

Posted by: David W. on June 14, 2006 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

From back on April 10, still worth reading in full:

MILITARY PLAYS UP ROLE OF ZARQAWI

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890_pf.html

"The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program. The effort has raised his profile in a way that some military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks...

"For the past two years, U.S. military leaders have been using Iraqi media and other outlets in Baghdad to publicize Zarqawi's role in the insurgency. The documents explicitly list the "U.S. Home Audience" as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign..."

Posted by: Lee A. Arnold on June 14, 2006 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

I liked it when our fearless leader said that democracy was great because it let the people in charge know if they were doing a good job.

Was that a beam sticking out of his eye, or was he just glad to see the press corps?

Posted by: craigie on June 14, 2006 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK

The documents explicitly list the "U.S. Home Audience" as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign...

Does that mean a picture of Zarqawi's dead mug is going to be inked onto my pringle chips?

Posted by: koreyel on June 14, 2006 at 11:53 AM | PERMALINK

But then, outside of the White House, no one ever had that expectation in the first place.

What BS. Outside of the White House, the left wing has been promoting the idea that the Iraq will be a failure unless Iraq magically turns into Sweden within 9 months.

Posted by: Al on June 14, 2006 at 11:55 AM | PERMALINK

Extended clips of Bush in Iraq on Lehrer last night -- wow, did he look lost & actually scared sitting next to the PM! I almost felt sorry for him, presiding at the scene of his own tremendous folly. Fumbling through his lines, repeating slogans...And what was that "I came to look into your eye" -- followed by a sudden head swivel putting Bush nose to nose with Maliki! Maliki looked rather nonplussed.

Posted by: LY of Brooklyn on June 14, 2006 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

Bush said the Iraq trip was exciting, and it was "an unbelievable feeling" as he watched in the cockpit of Air Force One as the 747 descended into Baghdad...

What a brave, brave, brave, brave man. Going half-way around the world to risk jetlag and who knows what for a photo op.

I can understand why all the reporters are gushing.

Posted by: JJF on June 14, 2006 at 11:57 AM | PERMALINK

Al, that's ridiculous - nobody expects it to snow in Iraq.

Posted by: craigie on June 14, 2006 at 11:57 AM | PERMALINK

LY, I saw the Lehrer show too. He's an abomination. What a dreadful fool.

Posted by: JJF on June 14, 2006 at 11:59 AM | PERMALINK

There will be increased violence when we withdraw.

Does Sweden have violence?

Posted by: Orwell on June 14, 2006 at 12:00 PM | PERMALINK

Sweden?!?! Does that mean there's going to be an Iraqi bikini volleyball team?

Al, put down the crack-pipe.

Posted by: Snoopy on June 14, 2006 at 12:01 PM | PERMALINK

I don't expect them to throw flowers and welcome us as liberators either.

Posted by: Stephen on June 14, 2006 at 12:01 PM | PERMALINK

Bush said the Iraq trip was exciting, and it was "an unbelievable feeling" as he watched in the cockpit of Air Force One as the 747 descended into Baghdad...

What was even better was when the pilots let him sit at the controls during the flight and gave him a little pilot's hat afterwards....

Posted by: Stefan on June 14, 2006 at 12:01 PM | PERMALINK

Outside of the White House, the left wing has been promoting the idea that the Iraq will be a failure unless Iraq magically turns into Sweden within 9 months.

Wait, so Iraq's getting universal health care?

Posted by: Stefan on June 14, 2006 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK

There wasnt zero violence in Iraq before we invaded; it was just being performed by Sunni Bathist henchmen on behalf of Saddam. Sunni killing Shitte & Kurds and like reprisals. The media didnt report it because it was a closed totalitarian society and no one was interested because America wasnt on the ground.

This new government is the most authentically democratic in the Arab middle east. Thats a big deal unless your hatred for Bush overrides your hope for the people of Iraq. They wont get more than one bite at the apple. This was always a risqu operation. Plenty has/will go wrong. They need are hope, resolve, support and prayers. A loss for Bush = a loss for Iraq = a loss for America. And vice-versa.

Set aside petty politics, were one country and this will take resolve.

Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK

Al,

How long do you think it will be before Iraq becomes Sweden ?

Posted by: Stephen on June 14, 2006 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK
Outside of the White House, the left wing has been promoting the idea that the Iraq will be a failure unless Iraq magically turns into Sweden within 9 months.

Actually, it was Don Rumsfeld's pre-war claims that set up the idea that Iraq would be a failure if we weren't done in Iraq in 6 months.

It was the Defense Department's rush to contradict Gen. Shinseki's testimony to Congress , and Paul Wolfowits's claims about the requirements for stabilization that set up the idea that Iraq was a failure if it required an extended commitment by more than a handful of tens of thousands of US troops.

At most, liberals are responsible for holding the Administration accountable for the B.S. it sold the American people in going to war.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 14, 2006 at 12:09 PM | PERMALINK

...the left wing has been promoting the idea that the Iraq will be a failure unless Iraq magically turns into Sweden within 9 months.

LOL.

Those nasty left wingers have such high expectations...

Remember everyone, Bush is the C+ Augustus.
You really ought to expect something more like Cuban democracy after 9 years.


Posted by: koreyel on June 14, 2006 at 12:10 PM | PERMALINK

Zarqawi Done Dead: This was always a risqu operation.

This moron cracks me up with his garbled misspellings and unintentionally hilarious word choices....Home schooling at its best, I suppose. He's too funny! More, please, more!

Posted by: Stefan on June 14, 2006 at 12:10 PM | PERMALINK

meanwhile, back here in the U.S.A. where we have fewer and fewer constitutional rights every day, efforts continue to co-opt the internet for monopolistic profits. if anyone is interested in the facts:

"New Report Dismantles Industry Claims about Net Neutrality
Economic analysis separates empirical facts from theoretical fiction

WASHINGTON The likely harm to consumers and the Internet economy if Congress abandons "Network Neutrality" will be substantial, according to a new economic analysis released today by Consumers Union, Consumer Federation of America and Free Press.

The report rebuts the claims of Net Neutrality opponents such as Vanderbilt University Law Professor Christopher S. Yoo and the Phoenix Center for Advanced Legal & Economic Public Policy Studies, finding that the benefits claimed for abandoning the principle of standardized, open communications network are small or non-existent.

"Since network neutrality has succeeded so dramatically in producing the vibrant Internet economy and sustaining competitive communications services," said Trevor Roycroft, the economist who authored the report, "critics must show very tangible benefits from changing that policy. These analyses do not even come close to meeting that burden."

The report argues that Yoo and the Phoenix Center have reached erroneous conclusions based on biased theoretical perspectives and faulty assumptions that do not fit the economic reality of Internet-related markets. The three groups submitted the report to the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation in advance of its latest hearing on major telecommunications legislation.

"The proponents of network discrimination get the policy problem exactly backward," said Mark Cooper, director of research for the Consumer Federation of America. "They say we should not risk imposing Network Neutrality for fear of stifling competition and innovation. Yet it is Network Neutrality that has given us vibrant competition and innovation. The question Congress should be asking is why abandon network neutrality and risk destroying the Internet?"


To read the full report, click here."


Posted by: brkily on June 14, 2006 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

The righties are unhappy that the Iraqi citizens are no longer allowed to bear arms.

NRA has just issued a press release condemning the latest proclamation from the office of the new Iraqi PM. The NRA document also lashes out at the Iraqi police for its campaign to search for and confiscate guns found in Iraqi homes.

Posted by: nut on June 14, 2006 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Zarqawi Done Dead,

This was always a risqu operation.

I agree with your comment, mostly. But there is a word in the sentence above that I think doesn't mean what you think it does.

Posted by: waterfowl on June 14, 2006 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, anything less than total Swedishness will mean the left has failed yet again. Damn, why do we always do this? Guess we should just never criticize people who have all the power and are fucking up our world beyond all recognition. Let's just lie back and enjoy it, like Al.

Posted by: Kenji on June 14, 2006 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Set aside petty politics, were one country and this will take resolve.

Right! So everybody go shopping! Tax cuts for my friends! Nobody gets the better of this country - hey, what's that shiny object over there?

Posted by: craigie on June 14, 2006 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

"A loss for Bush = a loss for Iraq = a loss for America."

I don't see how the third follows from the first two. But then, I don't feel the support for Bush is the same as support for America. In fact, I feel support for Bush is the antithesis of support for America, unless your vision of America is of a country fighting wars of imperialist aggression abroad, and criminalizing dissent from government policy and diminution of civil liberties at home.

What has happened and will continue to happen in Iraq is a tragedy, but the death and destruction from March 2003 onward is almost exclusively the result of the misguided policy of the Bush administration.

Posted by: brewmn on June 14, 2006 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

Outside of the White House, the left wing has been promoting the idea that the Iraq will be a failure unless Iraq magically turns into Sweden within 9 months.

Feb. 7, 2003 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, to U.S. troops in Aviano, Italy: "It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."

March 16, 2003, Vice President Cheney, on Meet the Press: "I think things have gotten so bad inside Iraq, from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly, . . . weeks rather than months."

Posted by: Stefan on June 14, 2006 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK

Clearly, Rumsfeld and Cheney are leftists!

Posted by: craigie on June 14, 2006 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK

"LY, I saw the Lehrer show too. He's an abomination. What a dreadful fool."

Quite frankly, I quit the telly completely last night.

Couldn't stand to see one abonimable moment of the chimpster gloating it up in Iraq.

And you are right.
Lehrer is just another tool for the fools.

Zarqawi dies, Bush appears in Iraq on cue to conflate the two... and Jim Lehrer and the rest of them have erections.

Utterly disgusting.

Now I know what it is like to live in a surreal comic book.


Posted by: koreyel on June 14, 2006 at 12:20 PM | PERMALINK

Bush also cautioned that we would not be leaving Iraq until they came up with the candy that we were promised.

Posted by: Nemo on June 14, 2006 at 12:21 PM | PERMALINK

"It is unknowable..." "my belief is..."

Even when they were absolutely sure about everything, they were blowing smoke. And no one called them on it. Guess the press was waiting for something that mattered -- like missing blondes.

Posted by: Kenji on June 14, 2006 at 12:22 PM | PERMALINK

The lefties can bask in the past mistakes of our brilliant leaders. The Republicans are thinking about the FUTURE, as in where to fuck up next. So many possibilities. So little time.

Posted by: nut on June 14, 2006 at 12:23 PM | PERMALINK

Set aside petty politics, were one country and this will take resolve.

Alright, that's a nice sentiment, but what does it mean? Practically speaking, what's our goal in Iraq and what's the path we take to get from where we are now to whatever the goal is?

Posted by: cyntax on June 14, 2006 at 12:23 PM | PERMALINK

This was always a risqu operation.

I don't think this is the word I would have used. Bawdy, perhaps. Lewd. Obscene..yeah, that's the ticket:

This was always a obscene operation.

Other than your choice of word, though, I agree with the sentiment.

Posted by: Snoopy on June 14, 2006 at 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

Zarqawi Done Dead,

According to my thesauris "risque" means "suggestive of sexual impropriety." Leave Bill Clinton out of this. He just isn't part of the Bush foreign policy team.

Posted by: Ron Byers on June 14, 2006 at 12:27 PM | PERMALINK

A loss for Bush = a loss for Iraq = a loss for America. And vice-versa.

Let's play with this equation, shall we?

loss for Bush = loss for Iraq = loss for America

Divide all terms by 'for loss':

Bush = Iraq = America

Does that mean Iraq is the same as America? Or Bush is the same as Iraq?

L'etat, c'est moi.

Posted by: Snoopy on June 14, 2006 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

zero violence...

The administration and it's enablers depend on red-herring rhetorical devices such as this to deflect attention away from their obvious incompetence and, more to the point, their institutionalized thievery.

Don't fall for it. Instead, those who care about simple things like fairness and truth should focus on how 9/11 was used to rob the nation in two ways: via war-contractors in Iraq and the under-reported class warfare that is happening here at home (through tax changes, corporate malfeasance, lax regulation, and currupt governance).

I wish I lived somewhere like semi-socialist Sweden.

Posted by: Matthew on June 14, 2006 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

Leave Bill Clinton out of this. He just isn't part of the Bush foreign policy team.

What are you talking about, Ron? Bill Clinton is an integral part of the Bush foreign policy team. When it comes to terrorism, their approach has been, "Do the opposite of what Clinton did [or would have done]." And when they screw up, their apologists unholster their popguns and shout, "But Clinton ...!"

Posted by: Alek Hidell on June 14, 2006 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

in more Bush league business of the day, i guess everyone would expect that a 100% effective vaccine for cervical cancer would be discovered and made available (Merck just announced that the FDA has approved their HPV vaccine, Gardasil) and DR. FINGER, Bush's Center for Disease Control advisor [Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)], is apopletic that it may encourage teenagers to have sex.

Posted by: brkily on June 14, 2006 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

Does anyone else notice that some trolls completely disappear from these boards all of a sudden, only to be replaced by even more idiotic substitutes? What's up with that?

Posted by: nut on June 14, 2006 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

i'm sorry. i know the topic is supposed to be the f'ing "war" against terra, but this bunch of-- i can't even think of a word awful enough to describe how i feel about them-- is screwing with our country so profoundly, i just can't stay on point.

Posted by: brkily on June 14, 2006 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

Does anyone else notice that some trolls completely disappear from these boards all of a sudden, only to be replaced by even more idiotic substitutes? What's up with that?

Shift change.

Posted by: Stefan on June 14, 2006 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

nut, are you referring to me?

Posted by: brkily on June 14, 2006 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

The clips of Bush in Iraq were both hilarious and sad...as others have mentioned above, the part where he whips his head around to gaze at al-Maliki after declaring that he came to look al-Maliki in the eye. Man...how does one comment on that? Was he able to see al-Maliki's soul, I'm wonderin'?

I'll be amazed if Jon Stewart doesn't take that clip and run with it...

Posted by: Wonderin on June 14, 2006 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

"unless your vision of America is of a country fighting wars of imperialist aggression abroad, and criminalizing dissent from government policy and diminution of civil liberties at home."

This should be in the Democratic party platform! (yet its not?)

Set aside petty politics, were one country and this will take resolve.

"Alright, that's a nice sentiment, but what does it mean? Practically speaking, what's our goal in Iraq and what's the path we take to get from where we are now to whatever the goal is?"

It means we stick by the newly formed legitimately elected government of Iraq until; they are able to successfully provide adequate security and basic services to their population. It means we retain a presence in Iraq itself and the greater Middle East so as to deter foreign aggression of our new ally as well as continue to degrade terrorist elements that attempt to operate out of the region. It means we stick by them diplomatically and give them the prestige and support needed to gain international financial, political and diplomatic legitimacy & strength.

Or we could just leave.


Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

I've been out of the loop a while. When do we invade Sweden?

Posted by: Ace Franze on June 14, 2006 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

Bush using a straw man argument? I'm shocked! Shocked!!

Posted by: Gregory on June 14, 2006 at 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

Bush in Baghdad:
"I have expressed our country's desire to work with you but I appreciate you recognize the fact that the future of your country is in your hands."


Maliki'sresponse:
"God willing, all of the suffering will be over, and all of the soldiers will be able to return to their countries with our gratitude for what they have offered."

God willing
(or we could just leave)

Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 12:55 PM | PERMALINK

Snoopy: Sweden?!?! Does that mean there's going to be an Iraqi bikini volleyball team?

Yes. But they are still deciding whether the bikinis go under the burkhas, in which case they become moot, or on top of the burkhas, in which case the team members will look like some sort of conservative Muslim super heroes.

Posted by: S Ra on June 14, 2006 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Or we could just leave.

I vote for just leaving. Whose with me?!!

Posted by: Nikki on June 14, 2006 at 12:59 PM | PERMALINK
It means we stick by the newly formed legitimately elected government of Iraq until; they are able to successfully provide adequate security and basic services to their population. It means we retain a presence in Iraq itself and the greater Middle East so as to deter foreign aggression of our new ally as well as continue to degrade terrorist elements that attempt to operate out of the region. It means we stick by them diplomatically and give them the prestige and support needed to gain international financial, political and diplomatic legitimacy & strength.

Ah, the typical content-free response from this Bush sycophant. Pray tell, Mr. Risque: what is your particular contribution to this? How much MORE will this cost the US in terms of treasury and blood? Should we be running enormous budget deficits while this is going on? Cutting taxes?

Posted by: SavageView on June 14, 2006 at 1:06 PM | PERMALINK

Set aside petty politics, were one country and this will take resolve.

Isn't it interesting how the Bush Cultists' prescription is so often for "resolve," instead of "not paying for the war with a tax cut" or even, perish forbid, "volunteering to join our depleted Army"?

Posted by: Gregory on June 14, 2006 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

I guess that makes three, "just leave's".

Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

...It means we stick by the newly formed legitimately elected government of Iraq ...

Ok, but then maybe we shouldn't be cutting spending on these programs then?

"While President Bush vows to transform Iraq into a beacon of democracy in the Middle East, his administration has been scaling back funding for the main organizations trying to carry out his vision by building democratic institutions such as political parties and civil society groups."

I mean I'm all for making things better so our troops can get the f*cking hell out of Iraq, and I know GWB ain't a details oriented kind of guy, but we really don't seem to be walking the walk that goes along with this talk of "sticking by Iraq." And while we're sloganeering, people are dying.

Posted by: cyntax on June 14, 2006 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK

This should be in the Democratic party platform

Not at all..."fighting wars of imperialist aggression abroad, and criminalizing dissent from government policy and diminution of civil liberties at home" pretty much sums up current Republican policy.

And I agree with the commentors above who note that the quality of trolls here has become really, really lame of late. Are these lame talking points really the best they can do? How encouraging!

Posted by: Gregory on June 14, 2006 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

I guess that makes three, "just leave's"

One question, Zarqawi Done Dead: When are you joining the Army?

Posted by: Gregory on June 14, 2006 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK

"I don't feel the support for Bush is the same as support for America. ~brewmn

in the most recent Pew report charting the continuing decline of esteem with which the U.S. is held, only 2 countries expressed confidence in Bush-- Nigeria and India. for the Indians, probably a result all the american jobs Bush is sending over there.

Posted by: brkily on June 14, 2006 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK

Greg

I'm active guard sitting at Selfridge air base right now.....


freakin ninny

Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

So Bush no longer likes Putin's eyes?

Posted by: apeman on June 14, 2006 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

and, of course, nuclear bomb technology. not to forget that.

Posted by: brkily on June 14, 2006 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

Resolve kids, Resolve.

Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 1:20 PM | PERMALINK

I'm active guard sitting at Selfridge air base right now

Thanks for keeping Michigan safe from terrorists.

So allow me to rephrase...when are you volunteering for duty in Iraq, Mr. Resolve?

Posted by: Gregory on June 14, 2006 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

"God willing"--Maliki

Zarqawi Done Dead, I'll see your Maliki and raise you one Sun Tzu:

"The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand."

Posted by: cyntax on June 14, 2006 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

resolve to become the passive, uneducated, hate-filled, plundered citizens of a war-mongering, brutish and greedy government of corporate slum-lords. i'm not up for that.

Posted by: brkily on June 14, 2006 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

Ninny

"So allow me to rephrase...when are you volunteering for duty in Iraq"

You cant. You know how many military personal want to see combat? Oh.....everyone! Duh.

If you get called up, you get called up...
Damn Generals.

Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

"resolve to become the passive, uneducated, hate-filled, plundered citizens of a war-mongering, brutish and greedy government of corporate slum-lords. i'm not up for that."

This should be in the Democratic party platform! (yet its not?)

Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

"God willing, all of the suffering will be over, and all of the soldiers will be able to return to their countries with our gratitude for what they have offered."

Has anybody told Maliki about the permanent bases ?


Posted by: Stephen on June 14, 2006 at 1:32 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, good. Dumbshit Done Dead took my advice and actually learned to spell Zarqawi's name. Too. Dumb. To. Live.

Does that mean a picture of Zarqawi's dead mug is going to be inked onto my pringle chips?

Heh. Another poster, who is too shy to present this hilarious line himself for public consumption, e-mailed me this: "While he was in Iraq, did Bush serve a plastic Zarqawi head to the troops?" Too funny not to share.

Kevin, you've picked up a little post-vacation snark. I love that.

Posted by: shortstop on June 14, 2006 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

"Has anybody told Maliki about the permanent bases"

You mean like the ones in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, or Yemen?
Well, hes the president after all so Im sure he has some idea.

Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

"Kevin, you've picked up a little post-vacation snark. I love that."

Nice ass-lick.

Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

"This was always a risqu operation."

This is the Best.
The Best ever Troll-Post.

See-through burkhas indeed.

Posted by: Pierre Asciutto on June 14, 2006 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

Guess we should just never criticize people who have all the power and are fucking up our world beyond all recognition.

There are no such people.

Reasonable criticisms of the policies of Pres. Bush, Islamists, Chavistas, the EU, the UN, Russia and China might go a long way toward improving the election chances of Democrats.

Posted by: republicrat on June 14, 2006 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

You mean like the [permanent bases] in Saudi Arabia

Bush has already withdrawn from Saudi Arabia. Which, as it happens, was one of bin Laden's key demands.

Such resolve!

Posted by: Gregory on June 14, 2006 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

Reasonable criticisms of the policies of Pres. Bush ... might go a long way toward improving the election chances of Democrats.

That's hysterical, republicrat! Not to mention dishonest -- you know full well that reasonable criticism of the policies of President Bush is portrayed as "Bush hatred." All the better to prevent criticism -- or accountability, eh?

Posted by: Gregory on June 14, 2006 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

If the level of violence in Iraq were reduced to what it is in DC or Los Angeles, while preserving the degree of free speech and press that Iraqis have now and preserving their electoral system, that might be a reasonable accomplishment. If Iraq were to remain more violent than Pakistan or revert to a tyranny like Iraq or Syria, that wouldn't be so good.

If Iraq emerges as democratic and peaceful as Turkey, and remains so at least as long as Taiwan and S. Korea have remaind democratic, that will be an unambiguous success.

In a recent opinion poll (sorry I don't have a link) a majority of Americans said that they thought the US would surely or probably win the Iraq war. That poll would probably be worth a closer examination, as would the upcoming Congressional vote on Iraq.

Posted by: republicrat on June 14, 2006 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK

In a recent opinion poll (sorry I don't have a link) a majority of Americans said that they thought the US would surely or probably win the Iraq war.

So wait, do we care about opinion polls or don't we? What's the right-wing talking point this week?

Posted by: Stefan on June 14, 2006 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

Zarqawi Done Dead, do you believe that Saddam was had a hand in the 9/11 attacks? Just curious.

Posted by: Wonderin on June 14, 2006 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

If the level of violence in Iraq were reduced to what it is in DC or Los Angeles

Car bombs are a daily occurrence in DC and Los Angeles? Who knew?

Posted by: Gregory on June 14, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

If the level of violence in Iraq were reduced to what it is in DC or Los Angeles, while preserving the degree of free speech and press that Iraqis have now and preserving their electoral system, that might be a reasonable accomplishment. If Iraq were to remain more violent than Pakistan or revert to a tyranny like Iraq or Syria, that wouldn't be so good.

If Iraq emerges as democratic and peaceful as Turkey, and remains so at least as long as Taiwan and S. Korea have remaind democratic, that will be an unambiguous success.

Republicrat, those sound like honestly articulated goals and they are measureable (it would be nice to hear something as tangible in the President's speeches). So the question then becomes one of where are we now; can we get there from here; and how do we get there.

Given that we're cutting funding for various democracy building programs in Iraq and we're cutting funding for reconstruction, I'm skeptical that the administration has as measured an approach as you've laid out. On the one hand we could continue to mothball these sorts of programs while we try to stabilize the security situation, but I think the security of the area is linked to these programs and that by reducing the funding, we reduce the success of stabilization efforts. Essentially, I think we're currently in a viscous circle (the opposite of a virtuous circle) where events are driving our actions into a net negative, rather than a net positive.

So without a comprehensive and well-articulated plan to break this circle, I'm coming around to the idea that we can't in good conscience keep our troops in harm's way, and they should be brought home.

Posted by: cyntax on June 14, 2006 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

The folks at the 'American Footprints' site make the astute observation that President Fuckwit doesn't seem to trust our own supposed ally, Maliki, enough to give him advance notice of his visit. There's a solid vote of confidence, you bet!

Posted by: sglover on June 14, 2006 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

"...the most authentically democratic in the Arab middle east..."

Ah, the uneducated, ever-dwindling Bush masses- God love 'em. To them a democracy is defined as "a government propped up by 130,000 foreign troops protecting them from death at the hands of their own citizens".

Posted by: solar on June 14, 2006 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

You gotta love the current talking point -- let's call it the Iowa meme -- that Iraq isn't so bad because LA and Washington DC are worse. If you were to accept that bald-faced lie, what would it say about Americans and what they are willing to tolerate from each other and their so-called government? And these are the same guys who cry "bleeding heart" if anyone wants to lift a finger, let alone an appropriations bill, to do anything about poverty and violence.

Well, why don't these Incredible Shrinking Republicans just slink back behind the walls of their gated communities so that we can lock the gates, post armed guards, and let them enjoy the well-appointed prisons they have made of their, and our, lives. After all, these Old Testament Christians think every solution should be penal, or punitive, and that's where our money should best be spent -- starting wars and building prisons. So let's make sure it starts and ends with them. Hear the sound of that key turning, Tom DeLay?

Posted by: Kenji on June 14, 2006 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

"If Iraq emerges as democratic and peaceful as Turkey, and remains so at least as long as Taiwan and S. Korea have remaind democratic, that will be an unambiguous success."

No, not unambiguous. I certainly agree that those would be good results for Iraq and would avoid complete failure, but cost is also a factor in measuring success. The Iraq project is already dramatically overbudget and behind schedule. It can never be an unambiguous success because it has already partially failed.

The Bush administration said this war would give us X for Y and we still might just get part of X for a lot more than Y. That isn't unambiguous success.

Those would be a good measure of success given the current situation and discounting previous failures. A good measure for the next president.

Posted by: jefff on June 14, 2006 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

I like how he is laying the ground work for the blame game:

"In other words, part of the success in Iraq depends upon the Iraqis and their will and their desire."

This way when they are left high and dry in the middle of a civil war it will be because of their lack of desire.

Sound like a familiar argument?

Posted by: Tim on June 14, 2006 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

Car bombs are a daily occurrence in DC and Los Angeles? Who knew?

It's either the liberal MSM's or Clinton's fault. Maybe both. I hear they also have drive-thru abortion clinics.

Posted by: Charlie on June 14, 2006 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

Tim,

Since before this began I have been saying the same thing. We will fail in Iraq and when we leave in failure we will blame the Iraqis.

Our slogan will be "We brought peace and democracy to Iraq and they blew it."

Posted by: Tripp on June 14, 2006 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Expectations? I expect to continue to be disappointed with Bush for the remainder of his term.

Posted by: ckelly on June 14, 2006 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

cyntax
You're the next contributing to light comedy : given your name, the unintentional pun of viscous circle ( as in glue ) is A O.K.
I doubt this was the article the spin doctors had in mind for Americans to see : http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/567

Posted by: opit on June 14, 2006 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

Well, hes the president after all so Im sure he has some idea.

Apparently he didn't know that Bush was coming until a few minutes before they met.

Posted by: Stephen on June 14, 2006 at 5:08 PM | PERMALINK

"Bush has already withdrawn from Saudi Arabia"

Have we?
Yup....Just up and left.
Gave that big old Air Base to the Sauds ..huh?

Get a clue people.

Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK

Have we?
Yup....Just up and left.
Gave that big old Air Base to the Sauds ..huh?

The U.S. Dept. of State certainly seems to think so. Here from the State Department's own website:

"In August 2003, following the U.S.-led war in Iraq in March and April 2003, the United States withdrew its troops stationed in Saudi Arabia."

www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3584.htm

And let's just check an outside news source to be sure:

Posted 8/28/2003 9:51 AM

Most of U.S. forces withdrawn from Saudi Arabia

WASHINGTON (AP) The Pentagon has withdrawn most of its forces from the strategic Mideast nation of Saudi Arabia, ending a decade-long buildup started after the first war against Iraq's Saddam Hussein.

With Saddam ousted from office in neighboring Iraq nearly five months ago, U.S. military officials transferred back to the Saudis control of portions of Prince Sultan Air Base and deactivated the 363rd Air Expeditionary Wing that has operated there, the Air Force said in a statement Wednesday.

"The end of (major combat operation in Iraq) and Saddam Hussein's government means the American military mission here is over," Maj. Gen. Robert J. Elder Jr., a commander there, was quoted as saying at Tuesday's withdrawal ceremony....

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Posted by: Stefan on June 14, 2006 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK

Iraq has drive through abortion clinics? WOW no wonder we invaded there country.

Posted by: Now on June 14, 2006 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

Why does this Adm. remind me of the Jerry Springer show?

Posted by: Now on June 14, 2006 at 6:07 PM | PERMALINK

Ann Coulter and George Carlin on Jay Leno tonght.Should be good..

Posted by: Now on June 14, 2006 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK

Skeleton Force...Its a military term.

We can have that puppy up and running in 48 hours.

Qatar will do for now...until the radicals get upset about are presence there.

Then its back to Saud....or maybe a new sate of the art in Iraq?

Welcome to Geo-politics!

Freakin Ninny's

Posted by: Zarqawi Done Dead on June 14, 2006 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK

Okay, I purposely didn't watch Bush's press conference today...........I cannot stand the way he talks/rattles on.

I think there may be a June surprise....I have my fingers crossed the Iraqi government will say "see you later" to the U.S. After all, these are macho men, right?

There's a good article:
http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2006/6/14/121952/592

"I'd call that running on quicksand. And Congress and the media is right there with him."

What do you think? 50/50 chance?

Posted by: avahome on June 14, 2006 at 6:13 PM | PERMALINK

Welcome to Geo-politics!

Says the functional illiterate who's sitting in a guard shack in Michigan...yes, it's a risque business, this geopolitics....

Posted by: Stefan on June 14, 2006 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK

opit, nice find:

"No one would expect that the presidential flight plan be posted on the Internet, but the failure to inform anyone in the Iraqi government, even at the highest level, has only two possible explanations, neither of them very flattering to the pretensions of the Bush administration."


I have to agree I was singularly unimpressed with GWB's antics and the resulting sound bites. It really seems at times like the Iraqi government acts as our property mangers and we're the absentee landlord of Iraq.

Posted by: cyntax on June 14, 2006 at 6:52 PM | PERMALINK

Dead done: You have no idea what you are talking about. At all. I doubt you have much to do with the military at all--hope not. You're the best morale booster for our enemies I have seen in a while. Try reading something about the Air Force before you post again. Perhaps you guard the static displays.

Posted by: Sparko on June 14, 2006 at 7:21 PM | PERMALINK

Indeed. No, my expectation is to have a president who isn't a zero. I wait in vain.

Posted by: Pechorin on June 14, 2006 at 7:47 PM | PERMALINK

" Bush also said the Iraqi government must "root out corruption at all levels."

DOH!!!

Posted by: JEDDI on June 14, 2006 at 8:52 PM | PERMALINK

" Bush also said the Iraqi government must "root out corruption at all levels."

DOH!!!

Posted by: JEDDI on June 14, 2006 at 8:53 PM | PERMALINK

How about we root out all corruption here?

Posted by: merlallen on June 15, 2006 at 12:55 AM | PERMALINK

"The clips of Bush in Iraq were both hilarious and sad...as others have mentioned above, the part where he whips his head around to gaze at al-Maliki after declaring that he came to look al-Maliki in the eye. Man...how does one comment on that? Was he able to see al-Maliki's soul, I'm wonderin'?"

I saw that too, and it just baffled me. It looked so corny. What an explanation for travelling thousands of miles (covertly) - came to look you in the eye bud...

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