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June 19, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

ME ON KARL....I was on Ted Asregadoo's program In Focus along with Salon's Tim Grieve a couple of days ago, talking about Karl Rove, Valerie Plame, and the upcoming elections. I was calling in from a cell phone, but you can still make out what I said. If you're curious to know what I (sort of) sound like, the interview is here.

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ME ON KARL Man on dog! Man on dog!

Posted by: Rick Santorum on June 20, 2006 at 12:14 AM | PERMALINK

I was calling in from a cell phone,

I love the expensively produced shows.

Posted by: craigie on June 20, 2006 at 12:18 AM | PERMALINK

Hey, pretty neat radio show. And you sound much more manly than your photo and the cats might indicate...

Posted by: craigie on June 20, 2006 at 12:31 AM | PERMALINK

Cheney >"...What the hell..."

Smatter ?

Misplace your shotgun ?

"There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept." - Ansel Adams

Posted by: daCascadian on June 20, 2006 at 1:22 AM | PERMALINK

"Not enough evidence to indict" says it all.

Gee, I wish I had executive privilege, and the power to classify and declassify anything I want at will, and the power to issue pardons, and an army of paid shills at corporate-funded thinktanks.

Then again, I'll bet that every once in a while, Karl wishes he had a soul.

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on June 20, 2006 at 1:27 AM | PERMALINK

Good Lord, Kevin, get over your Rove/Plame obsession.

Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on June 20, 2006 at 1:33 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe YOU know what "un-indicted" means as a VERB?

As a verb? beats me - sounds more like an adjective, something like "un-dead" which fits Karl Rove quite well actually, as far as analogies goes.

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on June 20, 2006 at 1:50 AM | PERMALINK

Dignity and honor, baby, dignity and honor.

Posted by: craigie on June 20, 2006 at 1:51 AM | PERMALINK

The current meme is that Rove was indicted, but somehow convinced Fitzgerald to "un-indict" him.
Posted by: Cheney on June 20, 2006 at 1:54 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe they tortured him?

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on June 20, 2006 at 1:56 AM | PERMALINK

The current meme is that Rove was found dead with two small puncture wounds in his neck, but then, later, was seen at a DC-area night spot quaffing bloody marys, and talking trash about "cut-n-run Dems".

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on June 20, 2006 at 2:07 AM | PERMALINK

Cheney >"...Did you not listen to the interview?..."

I DID listen & so what ?

I believe/think that most blather about this matter is totally in the weeds (including all the huff & puff in this instance)

Mr. Fitzgerald is still working on getting "the sand out of the umpire`s eyes" & anything beyond that is just delusion

so what`s with the missing shotgun or is it classified ?

"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact....Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - newshog@gmail.com

Posted by: daCascadian on June 20, 2006 at 2:57 AM | PERMALINK

This wasn't a difficult technicality to spot, guys. If it has to be within 5 years and it was 5 1/2 that's all she wrote.
The part I really shake my head over is Bush's baldfaced lie : he would eject a leaker from his office. I don't think after his term of office expires was the sense most of us got from that declaration.

Posted by: opit on June 20, 2006 at 3:54 AM | PERMALINK

I hope you advocated sending Karl "the traitor" to the gallows for treason, as the Constitution requires. Of course, Karl "cut and ran" from justice, just like he "cut and ran" from military service in the 1960s. The worthless coward...

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on June 20, 2006 at 5:43 AM | PERMALINK


another thing bush said:


"I want to know the truth. .. I have no idea whether we'll find out who the leaker is, partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers." - GWB -Fox News, 10/8/03


which way to go with that?


"Let's face it, anytime President Bush tells you he didn't know what was going on, you gotta believe him." - Leno

or...

"If Bush keeps this stuff up, people are going to start questioning his judgment." - Letterman


Posted by: thisspaceavailable on June 20, 2006 at 11:01 AM | PERMALINK

Of course, Karl "cut and ran" from justice, just like he "cut and ran" from military service in the 1960s. The worthless coward...

Jack Murtha responds to Rove:

Hes in New Hampshire. Hes making a political speech. Hes sitting in his air-conditioned office on his big, fat backside, saying stay the course. Thats not a plan. Weve got to change direction. You cant sit there in the air-conditioned office and tell troops carrying 70 pounds on their backs, inside these armored vessels hit with IEDs every day, seeing their friends blown up, their buddies blown up and he says stay the course? Easy to say that from Washington, DC.

Posted by: Qwerty on June 20, 2006 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

Of course, Karl "cut and ran" from justice, just like he "cut and ran" from military service in the 1960s. The worthless coward...

Jack Murtha responds to Rove:

Hes in New Hampshire. Hes making a political speech. Hes sitting in his air-conditioned office on his big, fat backside, saying stay the course. Thats not a plan. Weve got to change direction. You cant sit there in the air-conditioned office and tell troops carrying 70 pounds on their backs, inside these armored vessels hit with IEDs every day, seeing their friends blown up, their buddies blown up and he says stay the course? Easy to say that from Washington, DC.

Posted by: Qwerty on June 20, 2006 at 11:27 AM | PERMALINK

Qwerty,

Rather cool how Rove manages to get under your skin isn't it? He's also very good at it and it doesn't much natter if he's in New Hampshire or Washington neither you or Jack are going to like Karl. But then Karl doesn't much have to worry about that does he?

He's still the man and there isn't a thing you can do about it. Consider the uber-wealthy Bob Schrum. He's made a fortune advising Democratic candidtes on how to lose. Karl does nothing but win.

Posted by: rdw on June 20, 2006 at 12:40 PM | PERMALINK


here's someone who agrees with rdw:


"There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus."


"What you've got is everything -- and I mean everything -- being run by the political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis."

- John DiIulio former head of Bush's office of faith-based initiatives Jan-2003

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on June 20, 2006 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

Here is someone who recognizes you lunatics for who you are.

Posted by: Karl Rove on June 20, 2006 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

a complete lack of a policy apparatus."

Someone planned the departure from Europe. We have zero combat troops, returned almost all of our bases, are phasing out diplomatic postings, trashed Kyoto, ended the AMB treaty, unsigned the treaty creating the world court and sent John Bolton to the UN.


Posted by: rdw on June 20, 2006 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

a complete lack of a policy apparatus."

Someone planned the departure from Europe. We have zero combat troops, returned almost all of our bases, are phasing out diplomatic postings, trashed Kyoto, ended the AMB treaty, unsigned the treaty creating the world court and sent John Bolton to the UN.


Posted by: rdw on June 20, 2006 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

John DiIulio former head of Bush's office of faith-based initiatives Jan-2003

And he still got 62M votes!!

Posted by: rdw on June 20, 2006 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK


rdw: 62 million

true

bush won....america lost...

you can see by the record deaths by terror..

and the record federal debt...

we told you so..

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on June 20, 2006 at 5:14 PM | PERMALINK

you can see by the record deaths by terror..

There haven't been any terror attacks in America since taking out Saddam


and the record federal debt...

Except it's not a record when measured properly which is against GDP which grew at a stunning 5.3% pace in the 1st Qtr with even more stunning growth in tax receipts and exports.

Bush won, conservative Americans, India, Japan and Isreal won. Liberals, European, Palestinains and Islamic fundamentalists lost.

Posted by: rdw on June 20, 2006 at 6:05 PM | PERMALINK

rdw: There haven't been any terror attacks in America since taking out Saddam

yet...

more americans have died in iraq

--since-- saddam was captured...

than in all his time in power...


Posted by: thisspaceavailable on June 20, 2006 at 6:12 PM | PERMALINK

rdw: measured properly...

moving goal posts and football camp doesnt open until next month...

the gop congress had another expansion of the federal debt ceiling last march?

the top was set at 9-trillion...

with the debt standing at 8.1-trillion...

its only been 3-months since then and the current debt is at:

8.4-trillion...

at this rate...

they'll have to increase the debt limit again before this years elections...

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on June 20, 2006 at 6:25 PM | PERMALINK

TSA,

Measuring properly is not moving goal posts. In any event the national debt and the budget deficits are minor issues. They won't effect the 2006 or the 2008 elections even a little bit although I expect both parties to promise to reduce spending. This would be a very good thing.

Since the supply side tax cuts of 07/03 we've increased annual GDP by a stunning $1.5B which is almost the total GDP of France. Tax receipts are up at a compound rate of 30% the last two years. We are all supply siders now.

Among the major transformations assisted by GDP is the accelerated collapse of union membership is the North and the transfer of jobs to the South. While Detroit is cutting it's workforce by over 35% Toyota and other Japanese manufacturers are increasing their US content and production by over 35%. The result on the 2010 and 2020 censuses, and the electoral college, will be profound. The blue states can expect to lose another 15 votes in an increasingly conservative country.

A 2nd and even more important transformation is resulting from GWBs embrace of globalizaton. Our European relationship have shifted from less important to possibly counter-productive the last two decades while trade with Asia is exploding.

No single stat better explains GWBs refocus of US foreign, trade and defense policies away from Europe toward Asia than Intels sales profile. They now receive 60% of their sales from Asia versus 18% from Europe in in a few years it'll br 65% versus 15%, a more than 4 to 1 ratio. That's how much more important Asia is to US fortunes.

That explains why Howard of Australia and Kozumi of Japan are such good friends and why GWB has worked so hard to improve relations with India, Indonoesia, Malaysia, South Korea and Vietnam. GE announced a week or two ago they were raising projections of sales from India from $6B in 2010 to $10B. That is a dramatic jump.

That is why unit exports were up a stunning 14.7% in the 1st Qtr AND why such strong growth is expected to continue.

Condi Rice is moving the State Dept from Europe to Asia to support this move. Donald Rumsfeld has been one of the key contributers working with the Koreans and Japanese by removing US troops from both nations, adapting a lower profile with our troops still there, and in general deferring to our 'partners'. Japan is now an investor in Star Wars and will pay to deploy the system.

The cool thing here is GWB has done almost all of this invisibly. The relative anonmity has allowed him to get a lot more done. Few people are aware of the large number of free trade deals passed and under negotiation. By the time GWB leaves office liberals will be stunned at the magnitude of the changes. History will be very impressed.

Posted by: rdw on June 20, 2006 at 8:28 PM | PERMALINK


rdw: In any event the national debt and the budget deficits are minor issues.


not according to republicans a decade ago...

and both figures have set

new records...under republican management..

go figure..

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on June 21, 2006 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK

rdw: There haven't been any terror attacks in America since taking out Saddam


yet...

more americans have died in iraq

--since-- saddam was captured...

than in all his time in power...

no comment huh?

keep counting the gdp...

i hear....its just a number too...

Posted by: thisspaceavailalbe on June 21, 2006 at 12:21 PM | PERMALINK

not according to republicans a decade ago...


We're at war. National Security tops everything. With the deficit falling so rapidly they will tout the supply-side tax cuts but as a general matter the deficit will not be a leading issue.

I know more Americans have died in Iraq. That was the price of removing a menance and making the world a safer place. It was also important to let the terrorist know Americans are very different than Europeans. They know the Europeans will not defend themselves. Osama knows if he comes out of his rat-hole GWB will cram a missle up his ass.

GWB has made the world a very different place. Liberals would be quaking with their European peers hurling moronic platitude while comforting themselves with their sophistication. GWB is hunting down terrorist and killing them.

Posted by: rdw on June 21, 2006 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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