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June 20, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

GERMAN TV....In the LA Times today, Alissa Rubin writes that Europeans don't like American politics but do like American entertainment. The following passage from Reinhard Scolik, chief of programming for Austria's largest broadcaster, caught my attention:

"In American programs, people have problems, serious problems. In 'Grey's Anatomy,' people are dying, it tells you that life will be very, very hard, but at the very end they get a little hope and there is a way to get through," he said. "In German shows, which we also get on Austrian television, it is mostly a hopeless situation, it is too heavy."

Wow. Are German TV shows really that bleak?

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No, that's silly. I've watched a lot of "Tatort," which is a long-running police series that would be almost HBO quality, maybe on the level of "Homicide," and -- guess what? There's a lot of humor in it and they catch the bad guy every time. The biggest Austrian show is "Kommissar Rex," which is exactly what it sounds like, a police dog that solves crimes. Escapism, entertainment. The guy's exaggerating.

Posted by: Martin on June 20, 2006 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

I agree with Cheney.

Posted by: Al on June 20, 2006 at 12:00 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney, Al. We know you guys support torture. No point in bringing it up in a thread about American v German TV. We know you hold a whole assortment of positions contrary to the Enlightment ideals that are the basis of the American nation. Take a break from stupid and tell us what you know about German TV. I myself know nothing of it. I did like Das Boot but it doesn't qualify as its a film. It was pretty grim, though.

Posted by: LowLife on June 20, 2006 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK

He's definitely exaggerating ... although with the amount of American programming playing over here in Germany it's hard to actually find a native show (I exaggerate as well, but not as much as Herr Scolik).

Posted by: moonbiter on June 20, 2006 at 12:23 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think Scolik was saying that watching German TV was torture, just depressing.

Posted by: Nemo on June 20, 2006 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

I think Scolik is exaggerating a bit, as Martin observes. A better comparison might be to American cop shows rather than doctor shows, in that bad guys get away much more often than people die (in the better cop shows, at least).

Posted by: RSA on June 20, 2006 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

Dear Lowlife --

Many of us, from Benedict XVI on down, would be surprised to hear that it takes "Enlightenment ideals" to oppose torture.

Posted by: Gene O'Grady on June 20, 2006 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

Regarding Cheney's torture to save a soldier post, we get these sort of hypotheticals all the time in the Buddhist newsgroups.

These types of hypotheticals (based on admittedly real possibilities) can be vexing for those looking to express their non-violent sensibilities.

For example, in most of these hypotheticals, the time frame for action is almost always constrained. That is, the violent situation is described and the time for effective action is always of paramount concern (such as "If no one takes the weapon, he will harm others or himself." or the notorious ticking bomb hypo).

The manipulation of the time variable neatly finesses any discussion of antecedent causes (and possible solutions in real life situations) and forces a focus on the particular "what if" situation moving forward only. Not necessarily unfair or invalid, but worth noting how it cleverly limits the range of solutions to the particulars of the hypo.

Another maneuver in these hypotheticals is to make the target of the violence a family member, a loved one, or a group of innocents that will
be killed unless the non-violent proponent chooses to kill or maim someone or risk their own life (almost always the only choices under the
hypothetical that have any chance of success). Here, Cheney substitutes one of our noble young soldiers. This is invariably combined with omniscience about what will or won't work to save the innocent - that is, only violent action has any real possibility of success as all other solutions are ruled out by the hypo.

Again, nothing necessarily unfair or invalid in framing the hypothetical this way, but still worth noting.

Another maneuver is to ignore any generalized moral reasoning in favor of the particular situation and its solution. If generalized concerns are raised, it demonstrates the inhumanity and illogic of the non-violent proponent for suggesting we can sacrifice an innocent for general principles.

The final maneuver in these discussions (if the non-violent proponent has admitted under the controlled variables of the hypo that they may use violence to save a loved one from the
evil, gun-toting psycho terrorist) is to use the grudging concession to then justify violent actions or responses in real life situations even if the real life situations are rarely as clearly defined or controlled for variables as the hypothetical.

On the other hand, the non-violent proponent may choose to stand firm and argue that they will not kill or torture the psycho to save their child or the busload of school children or the captured soldier. But that is viewed as a losing move for the proponent of non-violence since, with this "principled" stand, the whole of non-violent thought is arguably shown to be useless, out of touch with the realities of the world, and uncompassionate by allowing the death of innocents. In either case, the need for violent action is arguably established.

Not overly convincing from a logical point of view, but rhetorically powwerful.

Posted by: Lee on June 20, 2006 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

German porn seems happy enough to me. What's the problem?

Posted by: craigie on June 20, 2006 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

"the answer would still be "no" - you didn't have to break the news to the families of these 2 brave soldiers though"

Of course, you rightwingnuts are already denouncing the families as being insufficiently comfortable with their natural role as patriotic props for the administration.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014449.php

But don't let that stop you from torturing people!

Posted by: rea on June 20, 2006 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

I think Charlie means that watching Austrian TV is torture. And who can argue with that? There's nothing worse than watching Gilligan's Island dubbed into German.

Posted by: craigie on June 20, 2006 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

Wow. Are German TV shows really that bleak?
Kevin Drum

Duh. Remember, David Hasselhof is one of the biggest stars ever in Germany. He even had a music "career" there.

Posted by: JeffII on June 20, 2006 at 12:49 PM | PERMALINK

When I lived there they showed Fassbinder films on television, Doesn't get much more depressing than that.

On the other hand Bonanza dubbed in German is kind of neat.

Posted by: Randy Paul on June 20, 2006 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

There's nothing worse than watching Gilligan's Island dubbed into German.

Are you kidding? It's got to be funnier than the English version.

Posted by: Ken on June 20, 2006 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

Generally, TV series here (in Germany) are quite funny and optimistic, but of course you get some really dark stuff as well. Maybe the Auststralian TV guy responsible for foreign productions has already bought enough funny footage from the US and needs something horrible for a change. And he just happened to find it here.

Posted by: Jrgen in Germany on June 20, 2006 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

Many of us, from Benedict XVI on down, would be surprised to hear that it takes "Enlightenment ideals" to oppose torture. Posted by: Gene O'Grady

Never one to miss an opportunity to bash "the Church," Inquisition anyone?

Posted by: JeffII on June 20, 2006 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

Gotterdammrung and all that is much of the soul of German culture so yea, very "bleak"

Sounds like Shotgun Dick has lost his shotgun in addition to his mind

"Self-mastery is the key to the portals of the universe" - Joseph W. Kittinger

Posted by: daCascadian on June 20, 2006 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

Actually German TV puts on a huge amount of fluff, from their own version of "Big Brother" and "Millionaire" to bedroom/paternity farces. Not to mention the execrable Schlager music. Don't worry- Germans like Sex and the City for the same reasons as anyone else.

Some German shows seem baffling to these American eyes, however, such as "Pimp my Bicycle." It just doesn't work.

Posted by: gaw3 on June 20, 2006 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

German porn seems happy enough to me. What's the problem?

I want to know...no, I don't. Wait, I do. No, never mind, I don't.

Posted by: shortstop on June 20, 2006 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney, it's possible that it was the other way around. The two captured soldiers may have been tortured to death, and this might have been done in revenge for previous torture done by the US and its allies in the government we installed.

Posted by: Joe Buck on June 20, 2006 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

And those are the comedies! I wonder how a series based on The Castle or The Trial would go over...

Posted by: LeisureGuy on June 20, 2006 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

"Some German shows seem baffling to these American eyes, however, such as "Pimp my Bicycle." It just doesn't work."

gaw3 - If that's a joke well then that's funny. If it's not a joke - well, it's still funny.

Posted by: LowLife on June 20, 2006 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Say, with all those toll-roads coming to a location near you- will anyone build an American no-speed-limit autobahn?

Posted by: serial catowner on June 20, 2006 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

The most bleak things on TV here in Germany are the British and Scandinavian crime shows.

Germany's own shows generally suffer from a lack of the complexity found in the best American shows, but I would call very few of them downbeat. Surprisingly (to the rest of the world anyway), a lot of the better shows are comedies or contain a great deal of comedic elements. A few of the highlights are:

"TV Total" - a variant on the talkshow format in which the amazingly talented ex-butcher Stefan Raab satirizes the latest happenings on television.

"Genial daneben" - an original and very entertaining gameshow in which a panel of comedians attempts to deduce the meaning of unusual words or phrases submitted by the audience.

"Die Rosenheim-Cops" - a light crime show featuring two detectives, one of which is a quite overweight Bavarian with a very dry sense of humor who does his best thinking while milking his cows.

Posted by: ein Ami in Deutschland on June 20, 2006 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

Well, let's take a look at some programming that German TV has based on US shows:

US Tv: "Cold Cases"
German TV: "Cold, Lifeless, No Hope of Resolution Cases"

US TV: "Survivor"
German TV: "No Survivors"

US TV: "Lost"
German TV: "Lost -- For Ever!"

US TV: "The O.C."
German TV: "The O.C.D."

US TV: "Deal or No Deal"
German TV: "No Deal"

US TV: "Desperate Housewives"
German TV: "Desperate Housewives".....

Posted by: Stefan on June 20, 2006 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

Right after WWII folks asked, "How could Germany, the country who gave civilization X,Y,&Z, have done this horror?" It turns out that X,Y&Z, except for "The three B's", were in fact pretty grim.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr on June 20, 2006 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

But seriously, no, German TV is not that bleak. Not even close. Lots of comedies, lots of variety shows, lots of broad humor. What it is lacking, though, (thankfully) is lowest-common denominator Fox style "news."

Posted by: Stefan on June 20, 2006 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

If ever there 'was' a person deserving of torture unto a slow death it was Gilligan.

Posted by: Michael7843853 G-O in 08! on June 20, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

I want to know...no, I don't. Wait, I do. No, never mind, I don't.

You know you do. Your lips say "Nein, Nein, Nein" but your eyes say "Ja, Ja, Ja!"

Posted by: Stefan on June 20, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

Even a grocery list sounds bleak when read in German.

Posted by: dr sardonicus on June 20, 2006 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

After Hogan's Heroes, we really don't have the moral authority to criticize German television.

Posted by: Matt on June 20, 2006 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

On the other hand Bonanza dubbed in German is kind of neat.

Hey, I grew up watching that. When I was a kid there were tons of American Western TV shows and movies on German TV -- Germans have a tremendous fascination with the Wild West. Even now it's slightly disconcerting for me to watch "Bonanza" or a John Wayne western in English -- I keep expecting to hear German everytime the characters open their mouths.

Posted by: Stefan on June 20, 2006 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

So Cheney agrees with the Iraqi insurgents torturing US soldiers in order to save lives?

Posted by: Disputo on June 20, 2006 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

I recently met an USAmerican woman who was raised in Austria who had never heard of /Gilligan's Island/.

She thought it might have something to do with /Gulliver's Travels/.

Posted by: Disputo on June 20, 2006 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

I want to know...no, I don't. Wait, I do. No, never mind, I don't.

Why did I think that that post, alone among the rest, would smoke you out?

Posted by: craigie on June 20, 2006 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

If ever there 'was' a person deserving of torture unto a slow death it was Gilligan.

But for every Gilligan who deserves to be tortured there's a Maynard G. Grebs unjustly caught up in your Dragnet.

Posted by: LowLife on June 20, 2006 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK

You know you do. Your lips say "Nein, Nein, Nein" but your eyes say "Ja, Ja, Ja!"

Brilliant. I am not worthy. I slink away in shame.

Posted by: craigie on June 20, 2006 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

Are there any German shows on American TV?

Posted by: GOP on June 20, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

If it is OK for Americans to torture Iraqis to save lives, it must be OK for Iraqis to torture Amreicans to save lives.

Torture advocates usually do not care for logic.

German cinema is sublime. Would like to know if they have ever done any television as good as Britain's The Prisoner or The Singing Detective.

Posted by: Hostile on June 20, 2006 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

I remember a lot of soft porn voyuer type shows on Pro Sieben. German TV is not as bleak or cynical as The Sopranos or The Wire. Just to start a fight I would like to cast a vote for The Prisoner as "most overrated" quality show. I started watching it on Netflix recently to see what the fuss was all about - it's certainly entertaining enough, and I recognize that it was groundbreaking at the time, but it really hasn't aged well at all. At least through the first four episodes the acting is overwrought and the themes are presented with the subtlety of a high-school term paper. Does it get better?

Posted by: Vanya on June 20, 2006 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

Depressing? German tv? no way! It's amazing to me how they have these German cop shows that occur in these pristine little police stations, very nicely decorated, with the suspect living in a nice but small little apartment, which is what drove him/her to crime, probably. The criminal puts his trash out on the way to jail.

Posted by: Michele on June 20, 2006 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

German cinema is sublime. Would like to know if they have ever done any television as good as Britain's The Prisoner or The Singing Detective.

Try "Heimat" or "Berlin Alexanderplatz."

Posted by: Stefan on June 20, 2006 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

Michele:

That's quietly hysterical ...

I'm sure though that Swiss crime shows, if there are such a thing, would go Germany one better in the fastidiousness department :)

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on June 20, 2006 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

I remember a lot of soft porn voyuer type shows on Pro Sieben.

Yeah, German TV has a lot of fucking and nudity. You can't see penetration, but you can see a lot else. What would be considered porn here is regularly shown there, on the equivalent of our network and basic cable channels.

Posted by: Stefan on June 20, 2006 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK

The criminal puts his trash out on the way to jail.

Look, he may be a criminal, but he's not a monster.

Posted by: Stefan on June 20, 2006 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

Stefan: Well, let's take a look at some programming that German TV has based on US shows:

I once had an Icelandic roommate who'd crack me up by telling me the Icelandic titles for US shows. I think my favorite was Little House on the Prairie, which evidently was known in Reykjavik as Crying on the Steps. WTF?

Stefan again: You know you do. Your lips say "Nein, Nein, Nein" but your eyes say "Ja, Ja, Ja!"

Right now I'm sayin' "Bwa, ha, ha!"

craigie: Why did I think that that post, alone among the rest, would smoke you out?

Aaagh! Smackdown! Ow!

Posted by: shortstop on June 20, 2006 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

Look, he may be a criminal, but he's not a monster.

That is hilarious.

It's funny 'cause it's true!

Posted by: Windhorse on June 20, 2006 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

And not only does he put the trash out, it's also neatly sorted into paper, glass and plastic recycling and general garbage.

Posted by: Stefan on June 20, 2006 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

And not only does he put the trash out, it's also neatly sorted into paper, glass and plastic recycling and general garbage.

And the cans have all been rinsed really well, not in a half-arsed manner.

Posted by: shortstop on June 20, 2006 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

When I lived in Germany they had lots of american made programs but also home made, a littlemore demanding. You even had to think alittle sometimes, like Fassbinder but also very good comedies, "Kir Royal" comes to mind, good satires like"Scheibenwischer" and others.


Well lots of people watch TV, so they need to satisfy lots of tasts.

Posted by: Renate on June 20, 2006 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, it is true, they bring more sex than violence.
Also homemade programs are less hectic and noicy, and a crimie series called "Tatort" run for years and was seen in countries all over the world.

They do show operas, balet,plays and so on on the public stations, things we get on Ovation and Sundance.

Posted by: Renate on June 20, 2006 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

And the cans have all been rinsed really well, not in a half-arsed manner. Posted by: shortstop

And the labels have been removed. Not like those pig Austrians with their filthy waltz king and pastries!

Amadeus was all lies!

Posted by: JeffII on June 20, 2006 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK

Watching "Hogan's Hero's" dubbed in German while in England was very weird. Very very weird.

I wondered what they would do if the German characters in the orignal spoke a word or two of German? Would they speak un-accented German and the other dubbed voices be English-accented German whatever that sounds like?

After England and Denmark Germany is the next country I'd like to visit in Europe. Australia and New Zealand are in the group too.

Posted by: Tripp on June 20, 2006 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

shortstop: Aaagh! Smackdown! Ow!

I wasn't smacking you down - I was admiring your priorities!

Posted by: craigie on June 20, 2006 at 4:21 PM | PERMALINK

I wondered what they would do if the German characters in the orignal spoke a word or two of German? Would they speak un-accented German and the other dubbed voices be English-accented German whatever that sounds like?

Actually, the fact that German TV dubs foreign programs into German is, to my mind, one reason why Germans speak far worse English than the Dutch and Scandinavians do. In Holland and most of Scandinavia, they'll show American and English shows in English, with subtitles, so the television audience gets used to hearing the sound of English and slowly absorbs the accent and pronounciation.

Of course, that said when it comes to spoken English the Germans are still miles ahead of the French and, especially, the Italians, whose English is atrocious.

Posted by: Stefan on June 20, 2006 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

Just to start a fight I would like to cast a vote for The Prisoner as "most overrated" quality show.

God yes. What a piece of pretentious crap that was.

Posted by: GOP on June 20, 2006 at 4:33 PM | PERMALINK

I don't know about German TV, but there is little more depressing than having Dickhead leading off a thread.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on June 20, 2006 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

Did the Greeks still make great plays after they fell to Macedon, and Rome?

Western Europe is a wealthy, morose theme park to past greatness.

The moment they stopped killing each other and aspiring to world domination was the beginning of the end of a long golden age for the continent.

Posted by: Linus on June 20, 2006 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK

...it is mostly a hopeless situation, it is too heavy."

Dunno about TV shows, but it's certainly true about lots of German food. Ya want bleak, heavy and hopeless? Try a platter of Schweinebraten mit Kraut und Kndel.

(I kid. It's actually quite good if made right. Just don't eat it in the summertime. And sleep alone.)

Posted by: R. Porrofatto on June 20, 2006 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK

Stefan outs himself by writing:

pronounciation

No comment. :)

Posted by: Disputo on June 20, 2006 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK

How'd I out myself? And as what?

Posted by: Stefan on June 20, 2006 at 6:07 PM | PERMALINK

As a Pronouncer, of course.

Posted by: craigie on June 20, 2006 at 9:13 PM | PERMALINK

and pronouncedly so I may add.

Posted by: snicker-snack on June 20, 2006 at 9:38 PM | PERMALINK

Gene O'Grady:

Many of us, from Benedict XVI on down, would be surprised to hear that it takes "Enlightenment ideals" to oppose torture.

Whatever it takes, it's something Aquinas hadn't got. Modern Christian opposition to torture reflects not tradition but assimilation to the ambient secular culture. The decline of torture correlates not with the spread of Christianity but with the spread of the Enlightenment.

Posted by: Robert McDougall on June 20, 2006 at 9:53 PM | PERMALINK

shortstop:

> I once had an Icelandic roommate who'd crack me up by
> telling me the Icelandic titles for US shows. I think my
> favorite was Little House on the Prairie, which evidently
> was known in Reykjavik as Crying on the Steps. WTF?

I think they prolly meant to translate that as "steppes,"
as in the Asiatic plain.

Heh, reminds me of a B. Kliban cartoon. A dumpy middle-aged
Midwestern couple in tourist garb is in what looks to be an
Uzbekistan village. One of them is standing on a box of
wooden stairs, the kind of thing you might see in front
of a porch -- but just standing alone, leading to
nothing, while the other is aiming his camera at her.

The caption: On the Steps of Central Asia with Florence & Leonard.

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on June 21, 2006 at 12:39 AM | PERMALINK

You guys think I was kidding about the German police shows, but I wasn't. I don't have a tv at home, but the last glimpse of a German cop show I saw was about a well dressed guy who was screaming in a launderette. not a messy, grubby one, but a rather nice but small launderette in some small, non-descript German city. Of course, the German police speeds in in their marked BMW's and take the guy in for questioning. He goes along willingly and no force is required on the part of the policemen. They bring him to a very nice police station, very modern furniture, where he is questioned by a very efficient policewoman. I didn't see the rest of the show, because frankly, I had lost interest by then.

I think I changed the station to a show about a veterinarian telling people how to train their weiner dogs (now that is a joke).

Posted by: Michele on June 21, 2006 at 3:31 AM | PERMALINK

the part about the wiener dog is a joke, not the part about a show about veterinarians talking about how to train their dogs, btw

Posted by: Michele on June 21, 2006 at 5:24 AM | PERMALINK

When I was a little kid I watched Hogan's Heroes in Germany. It was quite the crack up. It was also dubbed in German. The German's loved that show for some reason.

Posted by: merlallen on June 21, 2006 at 6:35 AM | PERMALINK

German TV shows dark and humourless?!? My observations from years in Germany:

There are only 5 actors and 5 actresses total in Germany and they are in every TV show.

Every German TV movie and Cop show seem to have predictable happy Endings.

Soap Operas dealing with youth are perhaps the darkest as the genre seems to dictate that all social problems be aired.

Humor is the current 'thing' with all kinds of shows of varying quality. But there also appear to be only 5 or 6 comedians/ennes in Germany and they are on every show.

Afternoon shows are Jerry Springer like shows about paternity or court shows. If they weren't so silly, they would be bleak.


There are lots of imitation series, the latest dealing with German Coroners. Again the same 5 people in those shows.

The news shows are plentiful and mostly well-done although the religious-like adoration of Germans for the 15 minute news show every evening at 8 PM is a bit unnerving. Although many Germans feel that their news is fair and unbiased, it is indeed a bit slanted at times, much like the three major networks in the US.

The political talk shows are often during Prime Time and a couple of them are quite good.

There are lots of shows on regional television that document the areas, nature, etc. that are lacking in the US.

Stefan Raab reminds me a bit of Conan O'Brian in that he is a 40 something comedian who acts like he is in his 20s. There are good bits though.

Superficial and predictable perhaps but dark and bleak. Nein, Danke.

baldy


Posted by: baldy on June 21, 2006 at 6:56 AM | PERMALINK

Kevin: from my observations, yes

Posted by: firefall on June 21, 2006 at 9:29 AM | PERMALINK

Michele: You guys think I was kidding about the German police shows, but I wasn't.

We didn't think you were kidding. We thought you were hilariously accurate.

Posted by: shortstop on June 21, 2006 at 9:57 AM | PERMALINK

When I lived in Germany ('95--'96), I couldn't believe that Hogan's Heroes was one of the most popular shows on German TV, truly bizarre. This was also the peak of the Baywatch craze, when it was the most popular show on the face of the Earth, especially in Europe. Of course, nobody believed you when you told them it was barely noticed in the states and was seen as rather a joke and wasn't even on network tv.

Posted by: Freder Frederson on June 21, 2006 at 10:34 AM | PERMALINK

When I was a little kid I watched Hogan's Heroes in Germany. It was quite the crack up. It was also dubbed in German. The German's loved that show for some reason.

Yes, but when it's dubbed in German the dialogue is changed so that Colonel Klink is the hero.

Posted by: Stefan on June 21, 2006 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

My father also loved Hogan's Heroes but he watched it in English in Canada, and although he had spent 4 years as a POW in a French administered camp in France after the German capitulation, he thought it was hilarious.

Posted by: Michele on June 21, 2006 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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