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June 24, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

I AM AN AUTONOMOUS REBEL....A few months ago I linked to a piece Garance Franke-Ruta wrote in the American Prospect about some research into political attitudes based on consumer marketing surveys. As it happens, the consumer marketing company that did the research was Environics Research Group, a Canadian company.

If you're looking for something to while away a few minutes this weekend, Scott Winship at the Daily Strategist points to one of the odder online surveys I've ever taken, a "shorter version of the standard one Environics uses to diagnose people's values and tribal membership." You can take it here.

As you can see, Environics has concluded that I'm (a) not very social and (b) slightly more modern than traditional. This ought to make me into an "Autonomous Post-Materialist," but that category is reserved for Gen Xers. So no dice.

My choices, it turns out, are the ones in blue, and Environics places me about midway between the Disengaged Darwinists and the Autonomous Rebels. Neither one sounds very appealing, frankly, but "Disengaged Darwinist" sounds really dreadful, so Autonomous Rebel it is.

So how did Environics do? My "icons" are a bunch of Canadians I've never heard of plus Hillary and Bill Clinton, Martin Luther King Jr., Gloria Steinem, and John Lennon. I don't know that I'd call these folks icons, precisely, but that's not bad. They're all people I mostly admire.

The rest of the description is sort of hit and miss, but not too bad overall. Which isn't too surprising, since if you ask someone a bunch of questions about their social attitudes you ought to be able to turn around and tell them what their social attitudes are. Still, kinda fun for a weekend though I note that Scott was less excited by his tribal affiliation than I was. Give it a try if you're bored.

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I am apparently a Social Hedonist. But I'm close to an Aimless Dependent, which is probably more accurate at the moment.

Posted by: Steve Brady on June 24, 2006 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINK

I am also an Autonomous Rebel, with affinity to Connected Enthusiasts. I am classifed as a baby boomer, but I am really in between the boomers and the gen Xers, so it isn't a great fit (I was born in the early 60s, so I really wasn't part of the post-war baby boom!). All those people (Clintons, MLK, Gloria Steinem) are of a slightly different generation.

Posted by: EmmaAnne on June 24, 2006 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

I need tungsten to live. TUNGSTEN!!!

Posted by: BarrettBrown on June 24, 2006 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

Yet another Autonomous Rebel, about the same age as the Clintons (although it never occurred to me to apply to Georgetown University). So maybe that's why I read Political Animal.

Posted by: Dave on June 24, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

Together with hockey columnist Barbara Amiel, hockey coach Don Cherry, hockey player Marty McSorley, hockey professional Barry Melrose, and TV character Al Bundy, I'm a Disengaged Darwinist.

-- Andrew Sullivan comments

Posted by: TLB on June 24, 2006 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

Connected Enthusiast here.

I have the weirdest set of 'icons' - Madonna, Celine Dion (!) and Shirley MacLaine - none of whom I particularly admire.

But the survey did end up representing my attitudes pretty well. Does this mean I have to go buy a Celine CD now? (Please, nooo....)

Posted by: Stranger on June 24, 2006 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if regular readers of this blog will fall in similar categories. I fall on the exact spot as Kevin which partly explains to me why this blog is my primary blog of choice. I appreciate Kevin's tone and his posts generally strike me as fair and objective almost as if he is more genuinely puzzled by the goings on in the world than angry and partisan like other blogs I like. Helps me keep an even keel!

Posted by: Don'tKnow on June 24, 2006 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

They call me a cosmopolitan modernist.

I would have liked to be an autonmous rebel.

At least they don't call me a Republican.

Posted by: nut on June 24, 2006 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

I'm an autonomous rebel. No surprise there. The real surprise is that I'm a Baby Boomer. Huh? I was born in 1968. Weren't the Baby Boomers starting to have babies in 1968? Maybe the Canadians have a different Baby Boom.

Posted by: fostert on June 24, 2006 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

Anxious Communitarians

Icons

* Comedian Tim Allen
* Household guru Martha Stewart
* Talk show host Oprah Winfrey
* Princess Diana

Fundamental Motivations

Traditional Communities, Institutions and Social Status

Key Values

* Consumerism
* Deference to Authority
* Need for Respect

Words to Live By

* Dress for success
* It's only common sense
* Don't rock the boat
* Buy it, it's on sale

Money Orientation

Making it: My job is one of the ways I show myself and others who I am.

Spending it: Show me the label.

Saving it: I leave it to the experts; I don't want to do anything rash or foolish.

Giving it away: Religious organizations.

Stealing it: Might as well take what I can get while I can get it; if I don't someone else will.

Posted by: American Hawk on June 24, 2006 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, no wonder I love Kevin's blog so much-- we are almost identical. Though, since I am a little younger, I get to officially be an Autonomous Post-Materialist.

Posted by: Steve on June 24, 2006 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

This survey may be a bit old. It classified Gen Xers (ugh) as born from 1966 on, but then put me in the Boomer category (double ugh.) I was born in 1968.

So I'm either an Autonomous Rebel or an Autonomous Post-Materialist. I'm going with the latter since it includes Bart Simpson and Eric Cartman as two of my icons.

Posted by: Brian on June 24, 2006 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

No other New Aquarians out there?? :) Actually, this describes me pretty well... (maybe 8/10). Except for the icons... I live in Canada and I haven't heard of half of them.

New Aquarians


Incidence in Population

Proportion of Canadian population: 5 per cent
Proportion of Gen Xers: 14 per cent
Other Demographics

Mostly mirror the general population
Fundamental Motivations

Social Justice and Experience-seeking

Key Values

Adaptability
Concern for the less fortunate
Concern for the environment
Respect for education
Contempt for traditional authorities
Hedonism
Words to Live By

There is no being, only becoming
Everything changed in Seattle
No justice, no peace
Icons
Singer Sarah McLachlan
Author Naomi Klein
Singer/activist Jello Biafra
Rap-metal group Rage Against the Machine
Author/activist John Zerzan
Actress Sarah Michelle Gellar
Dead Prez

Money Orientation

Making it: I'd never do work I didn't believe in.

Spending it: When I must consume at all, I consume with conscience.

Saving it: I'm not saving much now, but when I do I'll call the shots.

Stealing it: No, thanks.

Giving it away: Environmental and social causes.


Posted by: Nick on June 24, 2006 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK
My "icons" are a bunch of Canadians I've never heard of plus Hillary and Bill Clinton, Martin Luther King Jr., Gloria Steinem, and John Lennon.

What? You've never heard of David Suzuki? Since Sagan's passing, he's probably my favorite scientist/TV host.

Oh, and I'm an A.R. too.

Posted by: pansauce on June 24, 2006 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

New Aquarian ... pretty accurate, actually, given the options.

The contempt for traditional values, contempt for hedonism, and "No justice, no peace" are eerily appropriate descriptors.

Posted by: Nads on June 24, 2006 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK

Yet another autonomous rebel here

Posted by: hopeless pedant on June 24, 2006 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

I'm a bit ashamed to say that I'm closer to Social Hedonists, but thankfully, I share some traits with New Aquarians.

So basically, I'm like Ricky Martin fronting Rage Against the Machine.

Can I go back to bed now?

Posted by: DC1974 on June 24, 2006 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

Yet another Autonomous Rebel with Disengaged Darwinist tendencies. Must be my Montana roots.

But I'm 38 - I know I'm somewhere near the line, but I was sure it was the Gen-X side of the line. Weren't the Boomers born to the World War II generation? My parents would have had to have been in their 40s or 50s to have me if that were the case (they weren't - they were young hippies.)

Posted by: zeeeej on June 24, 2006 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

I came out connected enthusist, close to autonomous rebel.

I get the impression that the people who did the survey consider themselves authonomous rebels. At least my subjective impression was that of the four it had a list of icons and key values that had the best sounding and the least number of negatives.

I dont idnentify with any of the icons listed under my tribe in the least. (Appears that Stranger above concluded the same thing)

Posted by: Catch22 on June 24, 2006 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

Yet another Autonomous rebel here. But way, way more on the modern side. In fact, my dot was in the black bar labeled "Modern"

Posted by: LarryB on June 24, 2006 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Disengaged Darwinist? Wow, that was so wrong. I don't have hardly anything in common with those guys.

Autonomous Rebel was a much better fit for me.

Posted by: Bruce from Missouri on June 24, 2006 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK

I came out as a Bush Hater. Uncanny!

Posted by: craigie on June 24, 2006 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

"Disengaged Darwinist" sounds about right for anyone living in southern Orangutang County, down there in Stepford, er, I mean Irvine. :-)

I myself am a Cosmopolitan Modernist, which fits.

Posted by: TCinLA on June 24, 2006 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

Age Group Definition Off by at least 5 years

This survey includes those 35 to 54 as baby boomers. Those younger as gen X. When was this made, it appears out of date. I am 38 and have NEVER considered myself even close to being a baby boomer, nor do I know of anyone near my age that considers themself a baby boomer.

The definition is clearly several years out of date and should use date of birth. As written neither Clinton nor Bush are Baby Boomers. (It excludes anyone born between 1945 and 1951.

So apparently I am actually a New Aquarian.

Posted by: Catch22 on June 24, 2006 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK

Well, I am a Cosmopolitan Modernist. The descriptiong hits my attitudes perfectly, and of the names as Icons, they offer John Kenneth Gailbraith which is perfect. I have been reading and agreeing with him since the 50's.

It is interesting to me that CM's make up 25% of elders (above 55) but only 4% of all Canadians. Since I am a Texan, I guess that moving to Canada is not a real good idea.

Posted by: Rick B on June 24, 2006 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

I'm with stranger: a Connected Enthusiast who likes her profile, but has a complete WTF? reaction to her "icons."

Posted by: Louise on June 24, 2006 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

Just so you know, the Baby Boom was from 1945-1964. Feel old as appropriate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer

Posted by: Martin on June 24, 2006 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

Nut,

You are too old to be an Autonomous Rebel. Like me. Age discrimination again rears its ugly head!

Posted by: Rick B on June 24, 2006 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

I'm an Autonomous Rebel, but my blue dot is all the way down below Personal Autonomy. Funny, I wouldn't have thought of myself as being at the far Modern end of the Traditional/Modern axis.

Catch22, you're right about the Boomer years. Boomers are defined by the demographers as those born between 1945 and 1964, which means the youngest Boomers turn 42 this year, so anyone 40 or under is NOT a Boomer.

And of those people I know who were born in the early 60s, few think of themselves as Boomers.

My way of looking at it is this: if you don't remember any pre-Sgt. Pepper Beatles from when it first came out, you're not really a Boomer. Unless you simply didn't listen to pop radio at all when you were growing up.

Posted by: RT on June 24, 2006 at 3:53 PM | PERMALINK

Another "Connected Enthusiast" here. What's that about? I'm with Stranger Madonna, Shirley MacLaine, Celine Dion? Yeesh.

zeeeej, something's seriously screwy about how the survey assigns people to generations. I was born in late 1967 and gave my age correctly as 38, and there is no way I could possibly be in their "Boomer" cohort with that age, given that their "Boomers" were born no later than 1966.

I keep trying these surveys when bloggers I read comment on them, but I can't see how they can possibly be of any use other than time-passing. When three-fourths of the time you want to argue with the question and the possible responses, what conceivable significance can your ultimate choice have? Most of my answers were basically "which choice is least untrue?," and I doubt they're even replicable.

Unfortunately, I have taken standardized online job applications which affected me exactly the same way (and indeed were designed along nearly identical lines), so there are people who really do believe this sort of thing conveys actual information.

Posted by: waterfowl on June 24, 2006 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

I'm with Catch22 -- I am 36, and this survey claims I am an Autonomous Rebel, but actually I am a New Aquarian, right on the mark...

Posted by: rabbit on June 24, 2006 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

Auto_Reb here, although I never voted for a Clinton, not even De Witt. What a crude instrument this survey is. I found myself unhappy with the clarity /range of many of the potential responses. A much more extensive delving would expose the inconsistencies and extreme uniqueness of each individual.

Fortunately, in the US, our less than or equal to two party system and non representative government ensures that further analysis is moot. No wonder people vote reflexively. Anything more is an exercise in futility.

Posted by: Michael7843853 G-O in 08! on June 24, 2006 at 4:02 PM | PERMALINK

Wikipedia has a pretty good explanation of the Boomer/Gen-X distinction. Interestingly, it has a real Canadian flair. According to the article, the original Gen Xers, were those born in the first half of the '60s.

BTW, another AR here even though I was born in '62.

Posted by: Daryl Cobranchi on June 24, 2006 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

Daryl:

Thanks for the link. Rather than try to hit the real demographics, I suspect what they actually meant by those categories were:

- Young and Dumb
- Boring with Kids
- Old and Creaky

Posted by: zeeeej on June 24, 2006 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK

I'm a connected enthusiast (my dot's almost to AUTONOMOUS REBEL and below the modern line (whatever that means)

Supposedly, hedonism is one of my values and Madonna an icon. Which doesn't sound like me at all. I wonder what answers triggered this result?

Posted by: katiebird on June 24, 2006 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

I am also an Autonomous Rebel but USC football still SUCKS!

Posted by: MorganParakeet on June 24, 2006 at 5:12 PM | PERMALINK

Well yet another Autonomous Rebel, but with a bit more affinity for Social Hedonists and New Aquarians. My dot covers the Aut in Autonomous

The icons are a little off, but most of the rest of the profile is spot on.

Posted by: Majun on June 24, 2006 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

Another autonomous rebel. I wonder if childlessness has anything to do with part of the designation.

Posted by: Sharon on June 24, 2006 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

Kev, I came out the same as you! Don't know what it all means...maybe that we're getting old, and we think that life under Bush sucks.

Posted by: New Hat on June 24, 2006 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK


CATCH22: I am 38 and have NEVER considered myself even close to being a baby boomer, nor do I know of anyone near my age that considers themself a baby boomer.

Since the youngest boomers are only four years older than you, I'd say you -are- at least fairly close to being one, and that at least some of the people fairly near to your age -are- baby boomers. I think that what you and they consider yourselves to be has less to do with your closeness to boomer status and their actual possession of it than it does with your and their wishes.


Posted by: jayarbee on June 24, 2006 at 6:51 PM | PERMALINK

We're tribal brothers!


can I borrow your car?

Posted by: marcus on June 24, 2006 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

"Since the youngest boomers are only four years older than you"

This is exactly my point, the survey indicated that the youngest boomerers were 3 years younger. So you agree with me that its off by at least 6 years.

Obviously the whole generation thing is one big subjective exercise. My point is that the survey was using the wrong years, you seem to agree with that. Other than your gratitous statement that it doesnt matter what my opinion is, whats your point?

Posted by: Catch 22 on June 24, 2006 at 6:58 PM | PERMALINK


As much as I wanted not to be in Kevin's group, Autonomous Rebels, it appears that I am. Not so horrifying as ending up with American Hawk in the Anxious Communitarians, but I'm sure it will upset my friends at CounterPunch.


Posted by: jayarbee on June 24, 2006 at 7:00 PM | PERMALINK


CATCH22: Other than your gratitous statement that it doesnt matter what my opinion is, whats your point?

My point? Denial, of course. Thirty-eight is but four years younger than forty-two, the age of the youngest boomers--which -is- close to your age.


Posted by: jayarbee on June 24, 2006 at 7:03 PM | PERMALINK

Count me in as another AR. So question: how can so many of us be Autonomous Rebels? Wouldn't that suggest we are neither autonomous nor a rebel?

Posted by: cvcobb01 on June 24, 2006 at 7:09 PM | PERMALINK

Another AutoReb, and I think that's the most apt description of me among those offered. One wierd thing: My score on the "modern" axis was so far down it was out of the box!

Posted by: Krowe on June 24, 2006 at 7:32 PM | PERMALINK

I'm a Autonomous Conformist with tendencies toward Modernist Agrarianism (Type II.) My heroes are Jed Clampett, Jerry Brown, Bill O'Reilly and Canadian legislator Morose Dependency. Spot on, lads!

Posted by: fyreflye on June 24, 2006 at 8:05 PM | PERMALINK

According to this game/test, I am an Autonomous Rebel with a moon in Connected Enthusiasts. I always considered myself to be a Shameless Hedonist, but I guess I just don't know myself that well.

Posted by: James E. Powell on June 24, 2006 at 8:13 PM | PERMALINK

So question: how can so many of us be Autonomous Rebels? Wouldn't that suggest we are neither autonomous nor a rebel?

Because our responses to the question are a reflection of how we imagine ourselves to be, how we wish ourselves to be, and what we may actually be on our better days.

In Western literature and culture, the Autonomous Rebel looms large and so, too, in our imaginations and ideals.

Posted by: James E. Powell on June 24, 2006 at 8:37 PM | PERMALINK

...but "Disengaged Darwinist" sounds really dreadful.


Sweet!!

You really, kinda, "sort of" believe in Social Darwinism---(especially when asked 'random' questions)--but it still makes you 'feel funny'... and you'd surely get "dogged" by half your readership if you actually admitted it openly.

So, you'll just choose to 'overlook' your 'true' responses because it's "dreadful".

Excellent solution!

Posted by: fletch on June 24, 2006 at 8:40 PM | PERMALINK

"Young people have too much freedom and need more discipline."

Why is it that in these tests freedom and discipline for 'young people' are almost always portrayed as diametrically opposed opposites? It is possible, you know, to think that freedom AND discipline are good.

Posted by: Ghebs on June 24, 2006 at 9:33 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think you guys can read a chart. The colors seem to be for trends. That generation trends to that tribe. The colored names of the tribes are spaced unevenly throughout the grid. Just because you are in that quarter doesn't mean you pick the color that matches your generation. There are two read choices in the upper right and in the lower left as well. See where your ball hits and pick the tribe closest. That's how I read it. Kevin is almost over the line into traditional( and judging from his blog--not a slag comment-- this seems accurate) Kevin is not in my tribe--autonomous rebel. He is an Autonomous Post-materialists. He is an annomoly for his generation according to the trends. I'm a gen-xer who relates more to the preceding generation. I was slighlty off the bottom of the lower right and almost dead in the corner. Kevin, again judging from two or is it three years of reading this blog off and on, is not in my tribe.

Posted by: wank on June 24, 2006 at 9:41 PM | PERMALINK

The whole Boomer label rubs me the wrong way. Some demographers would consider me the last of the boomers, but f*ck that. The Talking Heads resonate with me way more than the Beatles, I remember Nixon resigning, not the Kennedy assasination, and I feel as if half of what people my age do is clean up after the excesses of boomers like Bush.

Oh, and while I know who David Suzuki is (and think he's pretty cool) the list of ARs is SO Canadian it's ridiculous.

Posted by: LarryB on June 24, 2006 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK

I'm as non-traditional as all get out!
My blue dot sat right on the bottom with the word "Mode" in front of it.
A little more social and I'd be "Mod"

Posted by: Vivy on June 24, 2006 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINK

This is your selected tribe:
Cosmopolitan Modernists

The only icon I recognize is John Kenneth Galbraith.

Cosmopolitan Modernists is almost on top of Autonomous Rebels. Are both of those synonyms for "Inteligent Liberal?"

Posted by: Chief on June 24, 2006 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINK

Autonomous post-materialist. This puts me with Dennis Rodman, Bart Simpson and Eric Cartman. I've finally achieved my dreams and become a cartoon character.

Posted by: Librul on June 24, 2006 at 10:21 PM | PERMALINK

Notice a few people here are lumped in with boomer and feel more like Generation X. That's probably because Gen X, in the original Douglas Coupland novel, referred to people born between 1960 and 1965, peoplel whom demographers considered boomers but held no affinity for boomer icons (heavy cribbing from Wikipedia here).
Born in 1960, I put myself more in Gen X than in the boomers. I can't remember Sgt. Peppers coming out but I remember Nixon resigning.
boomer experts love to put as many years as possible into the boomer era, because that increases the number of boomers, thus making boomer expertise more valuable. However, common sense tells you that a kid born in 1946, who would have heard Elvis at age 12 and remembers the Korean War has little in common with the kid born in 1965, who listened to Led Zeppelin at 12 and might not remember Vietnam.

Posted by: Ron Zealot on June 24, 2006 at 10:23 PM | PERMALINK

Connected Enthusiast here - right smack in the New Aquarians. How a propos!

And I too hate my icons. Why not Grace Slick? or Janis Joplin? They're much more iconic to me...

The Prairie Angel

Posted by: Arachnae on June 25, 2006 at 1:03 AM | PERMALINK

Another Autonomous Rebel here. This is getting ridiculous. A herd of non-conformists all stampeding in the same direction.

Posted by: garymar on June 25, 2006 at 1:15 AM | PERMALINK

Another one here that got a better match for another age-group than his own.

Born smack-dab in the middle of Gen-X (Trust me, when people born in the late-80's try and use the Gen-X label, I'm one of those that shakes his head and barely contains a scream of outrage.), I wind up between the New Aquarians and the Social Hedonists for my age group. Neither of those seem all that applicable to me as a whole. Certain parts (NA key values of adaptability and respect for education. SH key values of risk-taking and aesthetics.) do apply greatly to my life-view, but not as much as when I clicked for the page that my dot lands directly on... The Boomer-reserved Connected Enthusiast.

Everything there describes me to a T. But that goes double for the Words To Live By section. So I'll go ahead and claim that tribe, thank you very much. Even if it means I'll have to share a room with Celine Dion... Uck. Maybe if I keep the ska station on real loud, I can drown her out when snores off key.

Posted by: Off Colfax on June 25, 2006 at 3:50 AM | PERMALINK

"but not as much as when I clicked for the page that my dot lands directly on... The Boomer-reserved Connected Enthusiast."

Don't you think that's what you are then? Why is everyone here following in Kevin's mistake? Why do you think it is boomer "reserved?" Think about it. If you look at this chart the way Kevin is saying, that you pick the group with your color closest to you the chart makes no sense. What if you are Pre boomer-green- and land in the lower left? There is no green "choice" in the lower left. Does it really make sense to everyone that you should then pick the nearest green in a different quadrant? That doesn't make sense. Doesn't it make more sense to think that the chart is trying to plot certain generational trends and you may or may not fall into that trend. I don't know maybe I'm daft. Weird.

Posted by: wank on June 25, 2006 at 7:33 AM | PERMALINK

RT: I'm an Autonomous Rebel, but my blue dot is all the way down below Personal Autonomy.

same here...

by the way...

is hawk the only troll interested in self examination?

(gazing at their belly button doesnt count)

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on June 25, 2006 at 7:40 AM | PERMALINK

I found the characterization of my "tribe" (autonomous rebel, natch) to be exceedingly trite. The Clintons? Lennon? If we're really so rebellious and autonomous, what are we doing with "icons" at all, anyway? I hold no one in such awe. (All right, Jane Austen maybe. :) ) Ten minutes wasted; I learned nothing about myself. This is a marketing survey, nothing more. And Kevin suckered us into it. Thanks, pal!

Posted by: Nancy Irving on June 25, 2006 at 8:47 AM | PERMALINK

I was satisfied with the description I got of a cosmopolitan modernist, but I always thought I was a boomer rather than a pre-boomer, being born in early 1946. I once saw a definition of boomer that began with people born in May 1946.

Posted by: anandine on June 25, 2006 at 9:26 AM | PERMALINK

Another Autonomous Rebel here, out in the margins of Individual and approaching the Modern edge.

Posted by: Carl Manaster on June 25, 2006 at 10:22 AM | PERMALINK

I too get Autonomous Rebel. I'm a blue dot directly above the arrow head pointing to modern.

Posted by: cld on June 25, 2006 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

Actually, Disengaged seems to fit your pretty well from my impression. You certainly never speak passionately on this blog about anything. Though of course you do speak at length, and in detail.

Posted by: ssjpabs on June 25, 2006 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

I'm a New Aquarian, and practically falling off the chart. These surveys are so ridiculous.

Posted by: Jimm on June 25, 2006 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

Autonomous rebel as well, but surely if you
were coding it for Cambridge MA, my views would
be purely conformist...

Posted by: tm on June 25, 2006 at 7:03 PM | PERMALINK


Larry B writes "the list of ARs is SO Canadian it's ridiculous."

Duh, it's a Canadian survey. Watch the imperialism

Posted by: Melissa Spore on June 25, 2006 at 11:21 PM | PERMALINK

This survey is out of date as to ages. It put me in cosmopolitan Modernists, but i am a boomer, younger than Bill Clinton by a year. It appears that it put you in a category by your age of birth and the quadrant you fell into. No finer distinction.

I took it a second time lowering my age by 4 years and I was an autonomous rebel. QED

Posted by: Scott on June 26, 2006 at 4:28 AM | PERMALINK

Canadian Baby Boom is 1946-1964

It has 2 endpoints:

- began later in 1946 than the US Baby Boom, because Canadian soldiers were demobilised from Europe and shipped home later than the US soldiers

- ended later than the US Baby Boom, because the Pill did not go on sale until the spring of 1964 in Canada. I think the date was May, 1964. When it did, the birth rate dropped 40% 9 months later.

I know whereof I speak: at 42 (b late 1963) I am the last Baby Boomer. My parents were born in 1928-30 and were very 'old' parents for the time.

In my Canadian neighbourhood, my Grade 6 class had 50 people. 2 years later, they nearly closed the school. Youth unemployment when I started university (1981) was higher than it has ever been since, even 1990 at the bottom of the worst recession in post war Canadian history.

See Professor David Foot 'Boom, Bust and Echo' the definitive history of the Canadian Baby Boomers. Quite left wing by American standards.

www.amazon.com/gp/product/0773762086/sr=8-1/qid=1151313691/ref=sr_1_1/102-7417815-5930538?ie=UTF8


1964-1970 is actually 'early Generation X' but in almost every cultural regard was more the 'rainshadow' years of the Canadian Baby Boom.

In the US the fertility rate has recovered more strongly than in Canada, so the 'Generation Y' cohort is much larger. Also in the US the pattern of black and Hispanic births is very different and has an influence on the age profile of the population. The key factor in the former is the passage of Lyndon Johnson's health care legislation, and Roe v. Wade, both of which precipitated major falls in the black American birth rate. I think Freakonomics has some data on this. (the key being AfaiK that pre Medicaid, most black women couldn't afford abortions, and presumably pre Roe v. Wade, Medicaid could not pay for them?).

It is strange to see you Americans not know various widely known Canadian personalities and intellectuals. David Suzuki in particular. You really get a very slanted view of the world from your news media. I really notice that if I watch Canadian Broadcasting Corporation news and then a US news channel.

It will be interesting to see if the new BBC news channel, offered across the US, changes that much.

Posted by: Valuethinker on June 26, 2006 at 5:31 AM | PERMALINK

Disengaged Darwinist (no surprise there) with strongly Autonomous Rebel shadings...how 60's of me.

Posted by: CFShep on June 26, 2006 at 9:01 AM | PERMALINK

After reading my way through all the 'tribal' descriptions, I find that I really more closely align with 'Cosmopolitan Modernists' - (I'm a Darwinist in the strictly biological meaning and *not* by any means a 'Social Darwinist' which is a position I've always found inherently abhorent.) and since I'm in one of the early Boomer cadres that makes a lot of sense - while keeping the 'question authority' bits from Boomer-appropriate 'Autonomous Rebel' .

Posted by: CFShep on June 26, 2006 at 9:15 AM | PERMALINK

Autonomous Post-Materialist.

The description is decently accurate. I gave them a 70% for the accuracy at the end.

Posted by: Bolo on June 26, 2006 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, and the blue dot was way, way down in the modern/individual corner.

Posted by: Bolo on June 26, 2006 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK

mr. jayarbee: As much as I wanted not to be in Kevin's group, Autonomous Rebels, it appears that I am. Not so horrifying as ending up with American Hawk in the Anxious Communitarians, but I'm sure it will upset my friends at CounterPunch.

Why? Don't you get to be all bossy and stuff in that group?

Posted by: shortstop on June 26, 2006 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK


SHORTSTOP: Why? Don't you get to be all bossy and stuff in that group?

Even in that group (as in this one), there are those, ms. shortstop, who enjoy being bossed and stuff--with an emphasis on the stuff.


Posted by: jayarbee on June 26, 2006 at 6:52 PM | PERMALINK

Even in that group (as in this one), there are those, ms. shortstop, who enjoy being bossed and stuff--with an emphasis on the stuff.

Do we have any Anxious Communitarians here looking to be bossed along with the stuff? Show of hands?

Posted by: shortstop on June 26, 2006 at 7:20 PM | PERMALINK


SHORTSTOP: Do we have any Anxious Communitarians here looking to be bossed along with the stuff? Show of hands?

Including AH, nearly all the ACs want to be bossed. I was referring to the more egalitarian group of folks at CounterPunch. Still, like you, they're only human, right?


Posted by: jayarbee on June 26, 2006 at 8:06 PM | PERMALINK

mr. jayarbee: Including AH, nearly all the ACs want to be bossed. I was referring to the more egalitarian group of folks at CounterPunch. Still, like you, they're only human, right?

I don't know where you've been getting your information. Have you checked the veracity of your sources?

Posted by: shortstop on June 26, 2006 at 11:45 PM | PERMALINK


SHORTSTOP: I don't know where you've been getting your information. Have you checked the veracity of your sources?

Why, wherever it may have been submitted, of course. It's currently being verified by the NSA.


Posted by: jayarbee on June 27, 2006 at 1:59 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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