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June 30, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

ATTENTION WAL-MART SHOPPERS....According to Ryan Sager, frequent Wal-Mart shoppers are "largely Southern, rural, lower-middle-class, female, socially conservative not big fans of tax cuts, but huge fans of government programs." What's more, these shoppers make up about a fifth of the total U.S. population.

You may wonder why you should care, but apparently pollster John Zogby thinks this demographic is the next NASCAR Dad or Soccer Mom. And there's this:

Zogby finds that while 85 percent of frequent Wal-Mart shoppers voted for President Bush's reelection in 2004 (and 88 percent of people who never shop there voted for Sen. John Kerry), Wal-Mart voters have turned on the president dramatically. In a poll taken earlier this month, they gave Bush a 35 percent approval rating compared to a 45 percent positive rating from born-again Christians, 49 percent from NASCAR fans, and 54 percent from self-identified conservatives.

Most worrying for the GOP: Fifty-one percent of Wal-Mart voters agreed with the statement that it's "time for the Democrats to take over and run" Congress as opposed to just 31 percent who think "Republicans deserve to retain control."

Admit it: this is kind of interesting. I don't quite know what to make of it, but it's still interesting. Maybe Kansas is finally coming to its senses?

Via Steve Benen.

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Perhaps their Walmart dollar doesn't go as far as when they voted for him.

Posted by: nutty little nut nut on June 30, 2006 at 1:53 AM | PERMALINK

I take Zogby's online polls, and though they are always aimed at various issues, every single one asks if I ever/frequently/etc. shop at WalMart.

(I don't, since I live in Europe, but I rarely did before when I had plenty of alternatives. I do see why people shop there when they have a limited budget or limited alternatives in a small Southern town.)

Posted by: KathyF on June 30, 2006 at 2:16 AM | PERMALINK

Is it only when Kevin mentions China that the Chinese cell-phone character spam starts pouring in? Has anyone noticed this happening much at other reputable blogs? This seems to happen a lot.

Posted by: Reality Man on June 30, 2006 at 2:45 AM | PERMALINK

The ignorant vote is open!

Posted by: aaron on June 30, 2006 at 2:50 AM | PERMALINK

Hehe... It's a Chinese plot to make unsanctioned China threads unreadable, with plausible deniablity.

Posted by: aaron on June 30, 2006 at 2:52 AM | PERMALINK

aacxmmc nails it!

Posted by: Mrs. Grundy on June 30, 2006 at 3:47 AM | PERMALINK

But do Walmart shoppers vote?

Posted by: Boronx on June 30, 2006 at 4:42 AM | PERMALINK

Avoiding the spam, I'd like to know if (and how) the demographics of Wal-Mart shoppers has changed. If people who'd normally shop elsewhere are finding themselves enduring the GUM ambiance of Wally World because their finances are pinched, then that says something too.

Posted by: ahem on June 30, 2006 at 4:59 AM | PERMALINK

I was wondering why online polls ask if I shop at Wal-Mart. They left off HELL no. So I just tell them no.
Yes, I am too good to shop there.

Posted by: merlallen on June 30, 2006 at 6:01 AM | PERMALINK

Here is a sterling example of a constituency that the GOP has convinced to vote against it's own interests - What the hell have Republicans EVER done to benefit this demographic group? The answer is not a goddamn thing....

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on June 30, 2006 at 6:49 AM | PERMALINK

What the hell have Republicans EVER done to benefit this demographic group? The answer is not a goddamn thing...

How can you say this? Without the GOP, these poor people would be losing their children to gay recruitment centers, enjoying happy holidays as well as merry Christmases, and watching hordes of libertine liberals burn flags right outside NASCAR rallies.

Posted by: shortstop on June 30, 2006 at 7:15 AM | PERMALINK

even my grandmother finally realized nixon was a crook, and when that happened I knew it was all over for him.

Posted by: supersaurus on June 30, 2006 at 7:22 AM | PERMALINK

I do not like wal-mart. I do not respect them b/c of all the harm they do to "community." But in small town America the only alternative is Dollar General.

So what? My experience is that virtually everyone in my corner of America does some shopping at wal-mart and most people (well over the 20% cited) do a lot of shopping at wal-mart.

Personnally, I prefer to patronize Kroger as they are a union shop.

Posted by: Chief on June 30, 2006 at 8:00 AM | PERMALINK

What Stephen Kriz said.

Posted by: SJ on June 30, 2006 at 8:15 AM | PERMALINK

I was wondering why online polls ask if I shop at Wal-Mart. They left off HELL no. So I just tell them no.
Yes, I am too good to shop there.
Posted by: merlallen on June 30, 2006 at 6:01 AM

You might not, but if you are a married man with children, your wife probably does.

Posted by: Ron Byers on June 30, 2006 at 8:37 AM | PERMALINK

I would guess that gas prices are a big portion of the problem--the rural and small-town working class tend both to shop at WalMart and to be hit hard by the skyrocketing gas prices.

Posted by: SamChevre on June 30, 2006 at 9:20 AM | PERMALINK

My primary beef with Wal-Mart is that most of what they sell is cheap crap. I take my business elsewhere because I'm willing to pay a bit more for a lot more quality.

Posted by: Gregory on June 30, 2006 at 9:34 AM | PERMALINK

At Steve Benen's site, Bruce Wilder made these comments, in part, about "Wal-Mart voters":

Democrats are way too earnest in their appeals to this group, way too naive about how their condescension is received and distorted.

But, I agree with other posters, this group does know that they are being screwed. Democrats can use the theme of betrayal effectively with this group, but whatever is said to this group has to be objectively true Dem message meisters should be doubly and triply careful of their credibility

Wilder is right on the money, which is why the Democrats have to go in a different direction in '08, away from previous perceptions. Hillary Clinton won't effectively speak to these people; neither will John Kerry or Al Gore. All can be painted with a past of Ivy League condescension; the dominant Kennedy-New England elite wing of the party is today as tired as the midwestern Humphrey progressives were in the late sixties. Someone like John Edwards would probably best resonate with this crucial voter bloc.

But are the party bosses and wonks willing to embrace populism, a word that to them is anathema to the coastal elite meritocracy they've stood for all these decades? Sadly, I fear not. Especially after seeing some here say they're "too good" to shop at Wal-Mart. If you don't want to shop there, fine -- that's your prerogative -- but such snobbery can also be viewed along the lines of "My child is too good to go to a public college." Not the message you want to send if you want to win elections.

Posted by: Vincent on June 30, 2006 at 9:35 AM | PERMALINK

You might not, but if you are a married man with children, your wife probably does.

I wouldn't mind seeing some demographics to back this up, especially broken down by region.

Posted by: shortstop on June 30, 2006 at 9:41 AM | PERMALINK

I too take Zogby's online polls and always say I never shop at Wal-Mart. I shop at Target instead.

The main reason why I don't shop at Wal-Mart is because the stores are always trashed. The "human zoo" factor is there too. Since I have good alternatives, I can choose to shop elsewhere. For many people, I realize that Wal-Mart provides the best bang for their close-to-minimum-wage buck.

Posted by: Doctor Gonzo on June 30, 2006 at 9:41 AM | PERMALINK

ahem: Avoiding the spam, I'd like to know if (and how) the demographics of Wal-Mart shoppers has changed.


that reminded me of something peter lynch, the famed manager of the massive fidelity mutual fund, said about wal-mart.

if my memory is correct, in the mid-1980's he said wal-mart wouldnt amount to much because their primary customer was at the bottom...

fwiw....

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on June 30, 2006 at 9:43 AM | PERMALINK


also speaking of wal-mart...

a little more perspective...

i'm re-reading kevin phillps "wealth and democracy"...

in the book, he has two graphs...

one from the forbes richest list in 1982..showing one walton....sam in the bottom half at 700-million

then another one from 1992...

with walton family at the top with 25-billion...

Posted by: thisspaceavailalbe on June 30, 2006 at 9:47 AM | PERMALINK

"Especially after seeing some here say they're "too good" to shop at Wal-Mart. If you don't want to shop there, fine -- that's your prerogative -- but such snobbery can also be viewed along the lines of "My child is too good to go to a public college." Not the message you want to send if you want to win elections."

I don't think I'm too good to shop there. I choose not to because they're screwing over their workers/suppliers/the whole country. Here in Michigan, we have Meijers which does all those things less, while not being much different from Wal-Mart otherwise. Except, of course, slightly more expensive.

But judging by an informal parking lot survey, the Wal-Mart on West Main in Kalamazoo is getting it's ass handed to it by the Meijer that is kitty-corner.

Posted by: witless chum on June 30, 2006 at 9:55 AM | PERMALINK

A couple of years ago my stepdaughter said that Wal-Mart employees seem to come disproportionately from the shallow end of the gene pool. So where does that leave the *customers*?

Posted by: Peter on June 30, 2006 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK

Regarding the last line of the post:

Maybe Kansas, not Arkansas. sigh.

Posted by: david ware on June 30, 2006 at 10:03 AM | PERMALINK

Not like I am in the business of endorsing one business over another, but if you want to buy from a big box wholesaler, Costco is the place to go. They are the blue state equivalent of the red state WalMart or Sams Club.

Posted by: Stephen Kriz on June 30, 2006 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK

My primary beef with Wal-Mart is that most of what they sell is cheap crap. I take my business elsewhere because I'm willing to pay a bit more for a lot more quality.

Quality isn't always an issue as Wal-Mart sells many name-brand items. Diet Pepsi, Ever Ready batteries, Haines underwear and Bounty paper towels are going to be the same whether you buy them from Wal-Mart or some other, more expensive store.
Wal-Mart's own brands can be a different story, of course. I've found their clothing to be particularly low quality. Even so, I've long suspected that many peoples' dislike of shopping at Wal-Mart is not because of the merchandise per se but because of the less-than-stellar shopping experience: cluttered stores, narrow aisles, slow restocking of shelves and displays, and most of all, long checkout lines.

Posted by: Peter on June 30, 2006 at 10:17 AM | PERMALINK

The people in Kansas think that some things are more important than money. I don't really think that's a bad thing. It ought to be something that Democrats and liberals can connect with them on.

Posted by: Doctor Jay on June 30, 2006 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK

Vincent,

Especially after seeing some here say they're "too good" to shop at Wal-Mart.

By my count your "some" should be "one."

I'm not sure you can generalize based on one example.

Posted by: Tripp on June 30, 2006 at 10:23 AM | PERMALINK

Are these threads being used by foreign agents to pass encrypted messages? Like aacxmme?

Posted by: Cal State Disneyland on June 30, 2006 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK

It's just too bad that the treasonous liberal New York Times blew the lid off of President Bush's domestic-wiretapping and financial-monitoring programs -- otherwise the government would be able to keep better tabs on these Wal-Mart-shopping traitors. Of course, I'm sure Kevin is A-OK with all of this.

Posted by: American Hawk's stand-in on June 30, 2006 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK

So what is the message of the Democratic party to Wal-Mart voters? Health care reform would probably resonate with a lot of those voters, but getting any kind of legislation enacted would be a monster struggle. The biggest economic issues, I think, are job loss, wage stagnation and the erosion of financial stability and security. Potent issues, to be sure, but just what can Washington do to fix them? Much of the time we just hear empty platitudes about the power of education and job training. That might be part of the answer, but it's only a part, and I think the Wal-Mart voter knows that.

Posted by: demisod on June 30, 2006 at 10:27 AM | PERMALINK

Kansas has clearly demonstated that they have no "senses" to come to. What Kansas may temporarily exhibit is a visceral response (like swelling) to having been screwed raw for six years. As soon as the Republicans develop some new hypno-lubricant, Kansas will roll back over.

Posted by: reason, t on June 30, 2006 at 10:29 AM | PERMALINK

shortstop

I did a little research on Walmart Demographics. According to a 2004 ACNielson study 50% of the top shoppers at WalMart are women under age 44. The top shopper group at WalMart are larger families. Seniors are also well represented. WalMart has 83% household penetration. Every week 110 Million Americans walk into a WalMart.

I know the Nielson survey is the first thing posted on Google--it is also the best site for the information--which is probably why it is the number one on a google search.

What a lot of folks don't understand is that for the people in the lower middle and working classes money is important. Every dollar is important. You might shop at Costco because they have better working conditions for their employees, but folks watching their money will shop where ever the prices are lowest. By the way Costco knows this and tries hard to match or to not compete with Sam's Club.

Posted by: Ron Byers on June 30, 2006 at 10:34 AM | PERMALINK

I imagine the "Wal-Mart mothers" demographic is largely made up of people who are and/or feel too overwhelmed to delve into the complexities of politics and tend to simplify the issues upon which they decide who to vote for (that is, if they vote - my hunch is that the percentage of them that vote is lower than the already low average rate amongst all voters). I can see them wanting to rally-round what they saw as a straight talking strong leader - President Bush - after 9/11. But the sheer volume and weight of the evidence that Bush has deliberately misled us into what appears to be a quagmire in Iraq (that seems to have little actual connection to the "war on terrorism") has led them to a different simplification - Bush, and his Republican "yes men" in congress are not to be trusted. I wouldn't be surprised if a large portion of the mothers of soldiers who have died in Iraq are Wal-Mart mothers. They were eager to trust, but when the trust was lost, I doubt it will be easily regained.

I agree with the person who said that populist appeals to this group can be effective, especially with respect to Social Security and health care. I think they can even be sold on higher taxes if it is evident that those taxes will fall almost entirely on those who can most afford to pay them. Of course, this group needs to be assured that Democrats aren't "soft" on defense, but that should be doable.

Posted by: TK on June 30, 2006 at 10:40 AM | PERMALINK
Admit it: this is kind of interesting. I don't quite know what to make of it, but it's still interesting. Maybe Kansas is finally coming to its senses?

Or, maybe stagnant wages and the expansion of Wal*Mart mean that more and more people who did not previously shop at Wal*Mart and dislike Bush are becoming, whether it would be their preference or not, Wal*Mart shoppers.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 30, 2006 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

It's nice that liberals can win in Zogby's pools, since they have such trouble doing so in real elections. At least they have that to hang their hat on.

The line about Kansas coming to it's senses is obnoxious; just another example of the liberal know-it-all elitism that disgusts so many Americans.

Posted by: Rock on June 30, 2006 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

"By the way Costco knows this and tries hard to match or to not compete with Sam's Club."

You've got it the wrong way round. Wal-Mart's early business strategy was to identify retail markets that could support one, but not two big-box retailers. Trouble is, there's a limited number of said exurban markets. Now that they're having to go to more densely populated areas for sales growth, they're struggling versus the Targets and the Costcos.

Posted by: Urinated State of America on June 30, 2006 at 11:16 AM | PERMALINK

Rock wrote: It's nice that liberals can win in Zogby's pools, since they have such trouble doing so in real elections.

GOP criminals like Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris and Kent Blackwell can't steal Zogby's polls the way they can steal elections through fraud, intimidation and disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of voters.

The only way that Republicans can win national elections is by lying, cheating and stealing.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on June 30, 2006 at 11:23 AM | PERMALINK

My My, aren't we a little condescending? I thought Liberal's accepted everyone into the fold. You make it sound as if Wal-Mart shoppers must have two heads or something. I am a women who lives in an up scale neighborhood who earn's a six figure income and I shop in Wal-Mart all the time! Great product's at a great price. It gives lower income people the access to clothes, food and all kinds of item's at a price they can afford. It doesn't bother me in the least to see my week-end clothes on my house keeper or anyone else out there for that matter. (In fact it kind of makes me feel good.) I have to say I think Republican's are much more charitable than the "new progressive's". I wouldn't put too much stock into a Zogby poll. They haven't called a race in the last three election's. heee heeee

Posted by: TexasLady41 on June 30, 2006 at 11:25 AM | PERMALINK

My My, aren't we a little condescending? I thought Liberal's accepted everyone into the fold. You make it sound as if Wal-Mart shoppers must have two heads or something. I am a women who lives in an up scale neighborhood who earn's a six figure income and I shop in Wal-Mart all the time! Great product's at a great price. It gives lower income people the access to clothes, food and all kinds of item's at a price they can afford. It doesn't bother me in the least to see my week-end clothes on my house keeper or anyone else out there for that matter. (In fact it kind of makes me feel good.) I have to say I think Republican's are much more charitable than the "new progressive's". I wouldn't put too much stock into a Zogby poll. They haven't called a race in the last three election's. heee heeee

Posted by: TexasLady41 on June 30, 2006 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

Hey TexasLady41,

Theres a reason that Zogbys poll's have been off in the last three election's. As another commenter noted above, its because the Republican't's used devious (and by now well-documented) tactic's to steal those election's.

Perhaps the Wal-Mart shopper's youre referring to have started to figure this out...

Posted by: Wonderin on June 30, 2006 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

I'd like to know what sort of a "six figure income" profession lets one get away with such embarrassing misuse of the apostrophe.

Posted by: S Ra on June 30, 2006 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

Good to know Wal-Mart offers such low prices on apostrophes, TexasLady41. Hey, it doesn't matter if you need 'em; they were too good a deal to pass up. Gimme a case.

Ron Byers, thanks for that info. That 83% household penetration seems incredible to me. Living in Chicago, where no Wal-Marts exist within the city limits (to my knowledge--someone correct me if that's changed), it's hard to get a clear picture of what everybody else is doing.

Posted by: shortstop on June 30, 2006 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

What is this country coming to? TexasLady41 can earn a six-figure income but can't properly use an apostrophe. Small wonder she votes for mendacious anti-intellectual Republicans.

Posted by: Ferderber on June 30, 2006 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK
TexasLady41 can earn a six-figure income but can't properly use an apostrophe.

Those aren't apostrophes, they're commas that wandered off.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 30, 2006 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK

Grow up and address the point of the comment, not how many apostrophes I use or don't use. I don't claim to be an english teacher, but perhaps you are? You've made my point by being condescending to me. Have a little charity and you might feel better about the world and yourself.

Posted by: TexasLady41 on June 30, 2006 at 11:52 AM | PERMALINK

I suspect it is because women as a group actually learn that certain people are traitors. they may not learn this at home, but in the public arena, they get the message. I've talked to lots of them, and have noticed this ability to get the message once it has been given forcefully enough.

Posted by: Scorpio on June 30, 2006 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK

What is needed is a bumper sticker:

"If you love America - Buy American. (Not Wal Mart)."

The true America-haters here, are the ones who refuse to buy American because they are afraid that some Union has negotiated a fair labor price for the workers who made the product. They hate American workers, they hate America.

Wal-Mart shoppers hate America.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on June 30, 2006 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

There's a good article on Wal-Mart's "monopsony" practices (i.e., monopolistic behavior towards its suppliers, rather than towards customers) in the current Harper's magazine (not online).

Posted by: Nancy Irving on June 30, 2006 at 11:57 AM | PERMALINK

Its common sense, not "liberal know-it-all elitism," to see how Tom Sawyer bamboozled the village boys into painting the fence for him. He understood them better than they understood themselves, and, as any good Rovian can attest, that's all it takes.

Posted by: reason, t on June 30, 2006 at 12:01 PM | PERMALINK

So what is the message of the Democratic party to Wal-Mart voters?

How about increasing the minimum wage? That sure seems like a winner for the Wal*Mart shopper/voter.

Posted by: Edo on June 30, 2006 at 12:09 PM | PERMALINK

TexasLady41,

Grow up and address the point of the comment,

I re-read your post and couldn't see the point. Unless you are trying to make a point by telling us you like to shop there. At the risk of repeating myself, that doesn't seem especially poignant.

Posted by: Edo on June 30, 2006 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Zogby finds that while 85 percent of frequent Wal-Mart shoppers voted for President Bush's reelection in 2004

Don't just blame Bush. Blame those who voted for him. Blame those who served him.

Make the welfare trash Wal-Mart shoppers suffer for voting for Bush, cancel American Idol and deport Benny Hinn!

Posted by: Hostile on June 30, 2006 at 12:19 PM | PERMALINK
Grow up and address the point of the comment, not how many apostrophes I use or don't use.

What point?

You've made my point by being condescending to me.

Your point was that people are condescending to people who post incoherent and ungrammatical blocks of text with no clear point on blog comment threads?


Posted by: cmdicely on June 30, 2006 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK

TexasLady41: I don't claim to be an english teacher, but perhaps you are? You've made my point by being condescending to me.

Have always loved this argument. Hey, maybe I can try it out myself in a couple of different forms:

EMPLOYER: Your faulty basic arithmetic just put us thousands over budget!
ME: Hey, I don't claim to be a math teacher!

COP: You ran over that old lady!
ME: Hey, I don't claim to be a driver's ed teacher!

Posted by: shortstop on June 30, 2006 at 12:31 PM | PERMALINK


TEXASLADY41: It doesn't bother me in the least to see my week-end clothes on my house keeper or anyone else out there for that matter.

I think this would be a better country if only more upscale women weren't bothered by seeing their weekend clothes on their housekeepers. But you didn't tell us how you'd feel if you saw your housekeeper in your weekday clothes? Oh, but that couldn't happen because you don't purchase those at Wal*Mart, do you? Let me guess...you said you have a six-figure income; so, Victoria's Secret?


Posted by: jayarbee on June 30, 2006 at 12:53 PM | PERMALINK
Your point was that people are condescending to people who post incoherent and ungrammatical blocks of text with no clear point on blog comment threads?

Oh, now I get it. thanks for summarizing it so cogently, cmdicely; I truly was struggling to find any semblance of a point.

Posted by: Edo on June 30, 2006 at 1:00 PM | PERMALINK

But you didn't tell us how you'd feel if you saw your housekeeper in your weekday clothes? Oh, but that couldn't happen because you don't purchase those at Wal*Mart, do you? Let me guess...you said you have a six-figure income; so, Victoria's Secret?

Man! My eyes just caught fire!

Posted by: shortstop on June 30, 2006 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

A couple of years ago my stepdaughter said that Wal-Mart employees seem to come disproportionately from the shallow end of the gene pool. So where does that leave the *customers*?

My, but isn't your step-daughter precious?

They're holding a job, and doing what they can to make ends meet, in a world that offers fewer and fewer options for them. Those folks whom you and she look down on are the folks who've been left behind for decades. I strongly suspect that the reason so many of them don't even bother to vote is that they've seen politicians of all stripes talk a great game, but deliver little that improves their lives in any measurable way. Many of the leading lights of the Democratic Party consider them an embarrassment. If they're apathetic about, or even openly hostile to, the latest gas from their betters, it's hardly as mystifying or irrational as those betters like to believe.

Posted by: sglover on June 30, 2006 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

frequent Wal-Mart shoppers are "largely Southern, rural, lower-middle-class, female, socially conservative not big fans of tax cuts, but huge fans of government programs." What's more, these shoppers make up about a fifth of the total U.S. population.

This quote sounds a bit snobbish doesn't it? I know lots of WalMart shopers and none of them fit this tidy little mold. I am sure many WalMart shoppers fit that mold but my experience and common sense tells me that WalMart didn't get to where it is by appealing to 'bottom feeders' (that is real snobbery)

The WalMart parking lot in our town is ALWAYS full. They actually even offer a shuttle service that will pick you up at home and deliver you to WalMart. That same shuttle service allows you to start by shopping at WalMart then shuttle around town free. They also often have RVs that use up the back areas of the parking lot. I am told WalMart encourages RVers to use there parking lots as overnight destinations. Not endorsing WalMart here but am singing its marketing praises. They are not on top by accident and I doubt their main patrons are lower income ladder. In my experience though I notice many middle to high income folks generally don't admit the shopping they do there. Maybe not so much for clothes but super walmart is a good competitor in the groceries and in landscaping supplies.

Personally I am a big fan of Sams club but prefer to do quick grocery purchases at Super target and more intense gorcery purchases at HyVee, the local chain.

Posted by: tb on June 30, 2006 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK

You may wonder why you should care, but apparently pollster John Zogby thinks this demographic is the next NASCAR Dad

If you stopped to think about it for a minute, you'd realize that this polyester-clad, perhaps tattooed "demographic" with the large backside is married to the NASCAR Dad, who himself is just the suburban and rural name for Joe Six-Pack.

Posted by: JeffII on June 30, 2006 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

This is the telling line, "socially conservative not big fans of tax cuts, but huge fans of government programs."


The Katrina effect.

Posted by: cld on June 30, 2006 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

All this talk of housecleaners reminds me that my housecleaners drive nicer cars than I do.

Since we only shop rarely at Walmart (anti-union, cheap stuff, poor value) we're looking forward to the Costco's that'll be opening up soon.

BTW, the meat at Walmart is double-vacuum sealed so it can be stored longer, plus it is injected with color. I'm not saying it's bad for you, but you might enjoy the taste of fresh meat a little better.

Posted by: American Citizen on June 30, 2006 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

My co-workers, neighbors, friends and relatives. Not such a bad bunch- smoke and drink more than they should, maybe.

They, we, are used to getting screwed.

Posted by: Lancaster on June 30, 2006 at 2:43 PM | PERMALINK

People who know when they're not getting a bargain.

Posted by: catherineD on June 30, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

THINGS THAT ARE EQUAL TO THE SAME THING
ARE EQUAL TO EACH OTHER.

Posted by: THE TRIANGLE on June 30, 2006 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK

Texas Lady- the word condescending doesn't mean what you think it means. People here are not being condescending towards you, they are making fun of you because you are stupid and arrogant.

Now for a demonstration of condescension, see your statements re: your domestic help.

P.S. our language is "English". Hard to say what yours is.

Posted by: solar on July 1, 2006 at 12:09 AM | PERMALINK

Will a little efforct the Dems can corner the market on stupid and crazy.

While it would be nice to have a rational political party, that's no way to win elections.

Posted by: aaron on July 1, 2006 at 1:07 AM | PERMALINK

Sorry,

With a little effort, the Dems can corner the market on stupid and crazy.

It would be nice to have one rational party, but that's no way to win elections.

Posted by: aaron on July 1, 2006 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK

If you have disagreements over Wal-Mart's policies (and I do myself), fine; no one is requiring you to shop there. But I see a lot of disparaging, patronizing comments towards those who do shop at Wal-Mart on this thread, and that's no way to win friends and influence people.

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Posted by: ff on July 1, 2006 at 9:16 AM | PERMALINK

One quibble, Kevin. Kansas is not a southern state.

Posted by: wendy noll on July 1, 2006 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

I have been participating in Zogby's online polling for over a year. I'm polled several times a month, and they always ask how often one shops at Walmart. While I do not fit the description given as the typical Walmart shopper, I indicate on the poll that my husband and I do shop there every week since there are few alternatives in our area (northern New Mexico) for some items. It's 70 to 80 miles in any direction to get to the next major city, thus we find we are reluctant Walmart shoppers. I have to wonder how many other such people are reflected in Zogby's polling.

Posted by: Varecia on July 2, 2006 at 2:05 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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