Yeah -- I'm not sure Katherine Harris is going to win that election -- Ralph Reed, here in Georgia, however . . .

And to think that c@nt helped orchestrate the chimps 2000 selection.

so, the question is: was katherine harris always this deranged (meaning, even in november, 2000) and no one in all the reportage bothered to tell us?

or has she become more deranged over time?

inquiring minds want to know.

Dorothy Mantooth is a Saint! A Saint!

Doug M.: Glad to hear you're part of the great political tradition that includes Richard Nixon, Marion Berry, Dan Rostenkowski, Tom DeLay and Bob Ney: He may be a crook, but he's our crook.

Congatulations on your principled stand.

Well she might be crazy but there is something fishy about that dead intern.

I don't understand what's supposed to be insane about this, unless you think that Republican smears of opponents are insane in general. If Scarborough were a Democrat running against Harris, no one would have suggested she was insane for bringing up the issue.

I think that should be "Marion Barry." Haven't heard about any corruption surrouding Berry.

"Insane" is probably too kind a word.

But she sure did have the tools for the 2000 'election.'

I think that, if she was going to do it, she should've at least waited until he was actually going to run. Now she's turned off donors and GOPers who might have been willing to help her.

Ralph Reed, here in Georgia, however . .

We know where you live, Charlie, and it ain't Georgia.

And Reed is going nowhere, which is where corrupt, lying imposters like him belong.

I'm waiting for her to flash on the Colbert Report.

What difference is there between what she did and what most other Republicans (Ok, and plenty of Dems) would do? Since Scar actually did have an intern die in his congressional office there seems to plenty of opportunity to blow the type of smoke that fuels campaigns nowadays. I guess she's crazy because she did it personally instead of having Karl Rove or Scooter Libby do it for you.

Well, judging from Scarborough's logic during the Clinton era, the fact that a medical examiner found the death to be natural means it must have been foul play.

But yeah, Harris is insane. It's actually amazing how many House Members are stone cold nuts (and yes, I am counting Cynthia McKinney and other crazy liberals in that group too). I mean, you don't get "the people's House" without getting into the fact that the people are occasionally quite gullible.

I think that should be "Marion Barry." Haven't heard about any corruption surrouding Berry.

Absolutely right. Whoops!

tick, tick, tick . . .

What still no post on the Plame lawsuit? Waiting for reliable source to discuss the implications . . . discovery, time frame, funding, likely outcome, chance of back firing? Your bias toward cautious journalism and punditry is showing like a fat woman's breasts at the Oregon Country fair.

why is the notion of Ralph Reed as lt. governor of some redneck state considered such a big deal? I can assure you that neither the DNC nor the vast majority of dems give too shits either way--nor will they waste vast time and resources defeating him.
Reed will hang himself with his own words and misdeeds.

And Katherine Harris, truly a gift from God to the Democrats. Praise jeebus!

Is that the best you can do, zeeeej (although didn't Halle Barry have a run-in with the law recently)? Yesterday, my prediction about Reed got me labeled an "ignorant neo-Confederate cracker", a "gullible rube", a "retarded Kevin Drum doppelgänger wannabe" and (my personal favorite) either "so emotionally vested in these political lampreys that truth and fact no longer mean anything" to me, or, a catch-all "just plain stupid."

There are a lot of reasons to consider her a mentally deficient person, but bringing up the dead intern episode against her opponent is not one of them. She is just following the Republican Handbook on How To Smear Your Opponent for Personal Profit and Gain.

to be fair, Harris actually isn't all that insane, for a repub. Senator Inhoffe actually told Fox"news" that global warming was a hoax.

I wonder if SCOTUS considers it constitutional to have the certifiably insane certifying presidential election results?

I'm sorry, but I don't see how this makes the Lizard Queen any more nuts than Rove on behalf of Bush spreading the "batshit-insane-from-VC-torture" or "fathered-an-illegit-black-daughter" stories about McCain in SC.

Her staff and fellow GOPers are ONLY turning on her and revealing this stuff because (a) she bucked the Bush machine by refusing to drop out, and (b) she's obviously going to lose.

How, exactly, does slandering someone qualify one as being nutty?

haha:

The Democrats are indeed going to waste precious resources in Georgia; as for Harris (like Nixon), I guess you won't have her to kick around anymore. Oh, wait . . .

mmy--

The people are "gullible"? I don't know about that. I'd be more willing to say that the "people" are in general far more crazy than the people they elect. Just listen to 90% of the callers on C-Span Washington Journal. Crazy people=crazy representatives.

I mean, has anyone walked around an average US city and actually talked to these "people"? People are very, very strange. If the actual views of the American people were really represented in congress, we would be living in a nation that would be unrecognizable. It has little to do with traditional political labels--our pundit class would not know how to label these views. David Brooks would be flabbergasted with this weirdness. They focus too much on what the "people" think about what this or that politician is doing (by this point, hardly anyone cares about politicians anymore). The real important question, though, is what these "people" themselves would do if they actually held power. Then you really get to see the ants come out of the woodwork.

Who is replacing Harris in her House Seat? Is it up for grabs?

Watching the loathsome Harris go down in flames will be one of the pleasures of this election season. Heck, it already has been.

Howard: I think we may safely assume she was like this six years ago. Just remember what she looked like back then.

Am I the only one who thinks Harris will lose the Republican primary?

Great tits, though.

The Democrats are indeed going to waste precious resources in Georgia

and your proof of this is...?

remember the SNL character of the crazy lady who took every prescription medication ever created, at the same time? I'd say her makeup application was still better than Harris.

No, not insane - just ahead of the curve. As the Usurper's empire sinks slowly into opprobrium, the true believers get hysterical, launching ever more frantic and ridiculous efforts to cling to power. Pull up a chair and pass the popcorn - this is going to be fun.

or, a catch-all "just plain stupid."

That's about the size of it, Doug M.

What are the ubermensch at the Corner saying about this?

kokblok, people are often strange but very few are as dumb and irrational as you. fricking lunatic.

I've come to the conclusion that Doug M. is Ralph Reed -- that's the only possible explanation for his wide-eyed, fawning enthusiasm. My folks live down in Columbus and from what I've been able to observe, not even the blinkered die-hard conservatives are all that excited about Reed's candidacy -- they're only tolerating him because they don't want to see a Democrat in the lieutenant governor's office.

I hereby reaffirm my call for an IQ test with a mental health component for anyone seeking a seat in either house of Congress.

BTW, has Busrty McStupid been on Hannity's TV show lately, or has she been blacklisted from there as well.

Sean's probably sad - I know how much he appreciated Harris' talents - both of them.

I am not Ralph Reed either. While Cagle is closer than I'd like for comfort, there's still plenty of us "crackerjack" voters left to push Reed over the top. Given the amount of money and nation-wide attention already paid to this LIEUTENANT Governor race (quick: who is running for Lt. Governor in California and New York), there's no doubt more resources will pour in once Reed wins the primary. Otherwise, the Democrats would risk losing their Abramoff-momemtum (just like they did with Ken Lay).

I still don't get it--the lt. gov. position in my state is completely worthless, and I'd be surprised if even the governor knows the person's name.
The notion that the DNC would waste one penny on the repub candidate is even more insane than anything Katherine Harris has ever said or done.

Although watching Harris lose in a landslide will be enjoyable, watching Rick the Dick Santorum lose will be even more satisfying. That's the kind of race where the DNC will be spending its money--even Ricky is more than capable of beating himself. Maybe him and Harris can form some sort of conservatard PAC after they both lose.

See you later, Katherine. See how getting Bush elected helped you out, huh? Karma

media attention does not equate to DNC money. But I don't expect Doug M/Charlie to grasp that considering his logical skills displayed above.

That's interesting...my doppleganger has been hijacking my handle here, and I hadn't even commented yet! But only once, it seems. The post at 3:10 PM was not me.

Someone is impersonating me, no doubt because they can not argue with me convincingly or honestly. I take great pride in comfort in knowing that he or she is going to such lengths to shut me down.

Kevin, if you're here, and speaking as someone who always deplored the fake tbrozes, it's high time you did something about this problem. This shit does not add value to the threads at all.

I never said that media attention equated DNC money -- but if you seriously believe after all this attention, that Hecht (I presume, or whomever wins for the Dems -- Lotson, Martin, Miles, Terrill) will not get at least SOME help from the national organization to defeat Reed, you're smoking something. Even indirectly, if resources that would have otherwise gone to some other race, instead go to this Lt. Governor race, so much the better for us overall. And, considering how much the Dems have spent so far, it will be more than one penny, that's for sure.

haha:

How much did it already cost for the DNC to disseminate these 36 attacks against Reed?

http://www.democrats.org/cgi-bin/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=1&search=%22ralph+reed%22

I don't know, Doug. How many extra donations did they get by making Reed an issue? If it's a net positive, or even break-even, it's fine by me.

Oh, how I love to watch Katherine Harris in action. What a human train wreck.

I dunno. I always wanted some more light on that incident involving Scarbourough. Recall this was at the time that we had Chandra Levy 24/7.

The medical examiner was rushed in from out of state, had problems with his qualifications, and be body was disposed of with unseemly haste. No second opinion allowed.

Had this been a Democrat, you would have had several congressional investigations by now.

And, what do you want to bet that Harris knows something about it that only people in touch with the Republican insiders know?

They don't like her now, but they did at least some point after 2001 when Lori Klausutis died.

"Yesterday, my prediction about Reed got me labeled an "ignorant neo-Confederate cracker", a "gullible rube", a "retarded Kevin Drum doppelgänger wannabe" and (my personal favorite) either "so emotionally vested in these political lampreys that truth and fact no longer mean anything" to me, or, a catch-all "just plain stupid.""

They forgot "Ralph "Moral Majority" Reed's cocksucker-in-chief". And you know that fucker Reed's queer as a three-dollar-bill.

All I can say is that a lot of people comprehended how foolish, not to mention unethical, she is way back in the 2004 when she tried to justify her orders from Karl Rove and company.

With the help of SCOTUS, she utimately got away with it.

Republicans, are you still proud of her? Is she still representative of your party? I'd say so, what do you say? Tell me I'm wrong, I'd love to believe it.

Well, obviously if I suck Ralph Reed's dick, then I know he is queer as a three-dollar-bill, or at the very least, bi-sexual considering all those children he has. But, back on the topic of Katherine Harris, especially considering she got the majority of the Supreme Court to agree with her, I don't fault her at all for certifying the Florida ballot -- the GOP-controlled State and federal legislature would have "selected" Bush anyways -- this way at least prevented any bloodshed.

will not get at least SOME help from the national organization to defeat Reed, you're smoking something.

I didn't say that they won't get "some" help, only that the DNC won't be wasting "precious resources", or any amount that will hurt them at all in any other race--such as the one where Rick Santorum will lose.

People such as Santorum, Harris, and Reed all do just fine at undermining themselves without much help from the DNC anyway. And if Reed does win, then all the better--he'll be stuck in a second banana job in a hick state and irrelevant to the rest of us.

Too bad that the conservative-controlled mainstream media won’t publicize the fact that Katherine Harris has a drinking problem or the fact that she was having an extramarital affair with Jeb Bush. Then she would really be in trouble!

Of course, these things would be front-page news if they were about Bill or Hillary Clinton. But, I guess, the Democrats just have to live with this right-wing media bias.

haha:

No, what you ACTUALLY said, at 3:26 PM in fact: "The notion that the DNC would waste one penny on the repub candidate is even more insane than anything Katherine Harris has ever said or done."

and "some" help doesn't have to involve spending money.

How much did it already cost for the DNC to disseminate these 36 attacks against Reed?

probably as much as it costs you to post here and fluff Ralph Reed.

I wouldn't personally consider this a mark against Harris, since it is a reasonable suspicion to voice in the Scarborough dead intern matter. Inarguably, it is among the first things a police investigation would consider.

While the incident was oddly given very little attention in the media iirc (no scandal associated to Joe), still he resigned from Congress abruptly, shortly after the incident, amid rampant rumors of marital difficulties.

The medical examiner oddly immediately claimed he could rule out foul play, only to have to admit that massive blunt trauma to the head was the cause of death. Seems the otherwise apparently healthy young lady marathon runner in her 20s had a hidden heart condition that caused her to faint, thus falling into a piece of furniture or fixture hard enough to kill her. Then it turned out that the medical examiner had been dismissed from his prior job in a bordering state for falsifying the cause of death in another case.

Corruption in the office of the medical examiner is often the key to covering up a murder, and this guy appeared to be picked for that role out of general casting.

No, rather than illustrate the supposed mental issues of Ms. Harris, for whom I hold no brief or any feelings but contempt and anger at her corrupt actions in '00, I think this is better taken as an insider's look at (or under) the storyline with which the national media dismissed this incident (the local Pensacola paper did far better coverage of the issues). Or, if indeed Joe was entirely innocent of anything in this matter, it still provides us an insider's view of what normally goes on (even if it didn't in this case), which insider's would automatically assume to be the case in any given situation.

keep on suckin' Doug.

Doug M, as usual, has it back asswards.

Those of us outside of GA *want* Ralph Reed to be your next LtG. That's your punishment.

haha:

More than ONE PENNY at least.

Joe Bob:

Put down the Kitty Kelly book, and move slowly away from the ledge.

KC in DC: "I don't understand what's supposed to be insane about this, unless you think that Republican smears of opponents are insane in general. If Scarborough were a Democrat running against Harris, no one would have suggested she was insane for bringing up the issue."

Yeah, I don't get what is insane about this. It seems to be SOP for Republicans, except that it is usually brought to bear on Democrats.

Disrputo:

Those of us who are going to vote for Reed on Tuesday also want him to be the Governor of Atlanta and then the 2nd President of the United States from Georgia, to atone for the 1st.

EmmaAnne:

There also is Reagan's 11th Commandment.

EmmaAnne says (along with several others):

Yeah, I don't get what is insane about this. It seems to be SOP for Republicans, except that it is usually brought to bear on Democrats.

What's insane is that she broke the 11th commandment as articulated by Ronnie Raygun, "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican."

It's one thing for Rove's minions to break the commandment via a whisper campaign to voters in SC; it is quite another for Harris herself to break the commandment on the phone with deep pocket GOP donors. That is what is insane.

Doug M: you make me smile.

For decades, Secretaries of State all over the United States indulged in doing their jobs, a large part of which is to provide assistance to local election boards. Technical assistance, legal assistance, you name it; whatever it took to HELP the folks get the votes counted. Some of the local boards will be late in every single statewide and national election, you can count on it.

Harris suddenly redefined the job. She STOPPED/PREVENTED/HINDERED the local election boards from finishing their counts. What she did was outrageous.

You say she prevented bloodshed? Gee, where have I heard that before? Oh! I remember now. From folks who were threatening violence if the election were not given to Bush. Their little minds got completely distracted from the idea “counting votes” and letting the people who had always counted them count them.

Doug M jumped into the booby hatch with Harris when he uttered:

Those of us who are going to vote for Reed on Tuesday also want him to be the Governor of Atlanta and then the 2nd President of the United States from Georgia, to atone for the 1st.

LMAO. Good luck on that....

Doug M: yeah, cause that Reed, unlike Jimmy Carter, is a REAL Christian.

Sorry, Disputo -- I got your name wrong too -- I meant Governor of GEORGIA first, of course.

Disputo: "It's one thing for Rove's minions to break the commandment via a whisper campaign to voters in SC; it is quite another for Harris herself to break the commandment on the phone with deep pocket GOP donors. That is what is insane."

Ah, I see. It is the lack of plausible deniability that is the problem, not the attack itself.

From your lips to God's ear, little ole jim from red country.

Here's an article that you might find interesting:

Reed was chairman of the Georgia Republican Party in 2002-03, when the party pulled off upset victories to elect the state's first Republican governor since Reconstruction, Sonny Perdue.

"One thing the media doesn't understand is, we have worked with him for many, many years and we trust him," said Kay Godwin, a Republican activist in the southeast Georgia town of Blackshear.

Reed faces a lone opponent for the Republican nomination _ state Sen. Casey Cagle of Gainesville. The winner of the Republican primary in July 2006 will be favored to win in November because of the state's recent tilt toward the GOP.

Cagle's campaign has said it's a stretch for people to believe Reed didn't know gambling money was helping fund his antigambling work in Texas and Alabama.

"Only an Enron accountant would believe Ralph's claim that he accepted millions in fees without bothering to learn where they came from," his campaign argued in a recent e-mail.

In the Texas case, where Reed helped rally support for closing a casino operated by the Tigua tribe, investigators in Washington have been told the effort was secretly funded with money from rival Indian casinos. Reed's fight against the lottery in Alabama was funded in part with money from a Choctaw band in Mississippi, which has casino interests.

Reed does not dispute receiving money from the Choctaw band, but says he's been assured it came from the tribe's other business interests, not from gambling. In the Texas effort, Reed says he was a subcontractor and "did not know who the client of the firm was and did not find out until some years later."

When asked why he is running for a state post that pays considerably less than what he has made as a consultant, Reed responds: "I want to restore the office to effectiveness, and I believe I can make it a platform for bold, conservative reform."

Others believe there is another reason.

Marshall Wittmann, who worked with Reed at the Christian Coalition but now works for the Democratic Leadership Council, thinks Reed wants to be President.

"He knew he couldn't go from the Christian Coalition, so he became a political consultant, then Georgia GOP chairman, then coordinator for the Bush campaign. The next logical step is to win a political office. This is what's available, but it's clearly a stepping stone to higher office," Wittmann said.

Shorter Doug M: I approve of Reed's corruption, hypocrisy, and dishonesty because I like his politics. He hates all the same people I hate.

Not at all -- Jesus calls us to love even our enemies -- I approve of Reed's politics AND do not believe he is corrupt, hypocritical, or dishonest.

It's time for Katherine Harris to cash in her last fame check and write a tell-all book about what really went on behind the 2000 election. After all, if the GOP is totally abandoning her then she might as well kiss them off in a big, dramatic way!

"LOVE YOUR ENEMIES,
BLESS those who curse you,
DO GOOD to those you hate you, and

PRAY for those who despitefully use you, and persecute you

THAT YOU MAY BE THE CHILDREN OF YOUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN."

Matthew 5:44-45

Doug M.--

I'm sorry, but your zealotry has made you an idiot. I don't care how much you used to love Ralph Reed's politics or his past accomplishments but there is PLENTY of evidence that he is not what he pretends to be. Your loyalty to him is wildly misplaced. Reed is not a choirboy or even an idealogue-- he's a craven businessman, nothing more, nothing less.

The next thing you'll tell us is that Pat Robertson is a mensch.

I'll pray for you too, zoe kentucky.

Don't waste your time, from what you've written I think it's highly likely that that you pray to a paternalistic version of god that was clearly created by humans, not the other way around.

Doug M., by the way, if you don't know this already, responding to someone who is saying something you don't like with "I'll pray for you" makes you the worst kind of condescending, arrogant asshole? You are the the kind of person of faith that gives the rest of us a bad name.

Sorry, zoe.

Dow's 2006 gain all but gone

Supply-side economics, tax cuts, and conservative economic policy at their finest.

Insanity runs in the GOP family and Bush has clearly not being a victim of this mental disability.

Doug M: Sorry, zoe.

Don't worry, Doug M, we true believers will pray for you.

Thanks, but you have to pray to the God who outlawed homosexuality though.

Here's a good article on the death of Lori Klaustis
A Death in the Congressman's Office Does Anybody in the Press Care About Lori Klausutis?
By Denis Wright and Chris George August 8, 2001 (APJP)
In reality, there is indeed a news story percolating out there. The story bears remarkable and ironic similarities to the Condit/Levy story. Both involve Congressmen, rumors of infidelity, and the fate of a younger female subordinate. The details are so similar as to remind one of two alternate universes. The difference between the two stories? First, in the Klausutis case as not in the Levy case, there is a real body, very dead. Second, the Klausutis case involves a Republican....
[From the same article on the Medical Examiner Joe likes to say proves him innocent:]
Michael Berkland, it turns out, has a very interesting background himself. Recently relocated to Florida, it is a matter of public record that Dr. Berkland's medical license in the state of Missouri was revoked in 1998 as a result of Berkland reporting false information regarding brain tissue samples in a 1996 autopsy report. Berkland does not deny the charges.
It's also a matter of public record that he was suspended from his position as Medical Examiner in the State of Florida in July, 1999.

…Jesus calls us to love even our enemies …do not believe he is corrupt, hypocritical, or dishonest.Doug M. 5:25 PM

I worship nothing and no one but Jesus Christ. Only God knows for sure if Reed is a Christian, and no crimes have been proven to me. But, I will note that the evidence against Jesus was under oath too.

Charlie, posting as "Doug M.", wrote: ... no crimes have been proven to me.

That's because you are willfully, diligently and assiduously ignorant.

Ralph Reed thinks of you as a sucker, a rube, a mark to be taken.

And, sad to say, he's right.

Really? I would assume out of everyone posting on this thread, I know the most about the allegation against Reed, so I'm not sure how that makes ME "willfully, diligently and assiduously ignorant" or "a sucker, a rube, a mark to be taken." I will add those to the list though.

I would assume out of everyone posting on this thread, I know the most about the allegation against Reed

Why would you assume that?

Charlie posting as "Doug M." wrote: I would assume out of everyone posting on this thread, I know the most about the allegation against Reed ...

Your posted comments do not support that assumption.

On the contrary, what they show is someone who, whenever someone starts talking about Ralph Reed's well-documented wrongdoing, covers his ears and repeats loudly "I can't hear you! I can't hear you!"

Because no one else has has said they are from Georgia or posted all of the particulars -- I've been watching Reed since his Christian Coalition days -- have you even met the man, cmdicely?

It's so funny to see you libs continue to beat down on others misfortunes. So much for liberal compassion...

LOL!

So far, I am an "ignorant neo-Confederate cracker", a "gullible rube", a "retarded Kevin Drum doppelgänger wannabe" and (my personal favorite) either "so emotionally vested in these political lampreys that truth and fact no longer mean anything" to me, or, a catch-all "just plain stupid." Also "willfully, diligently and assiduously ignorant" or "a sucker, a rube (gullible again, or some other variety?), a mark to be taken." Someone who covers his ears and repeats loudly "I can't hear you! I can't hear you!" By own Christianty has been questioned. Next personal attack?

Katherine Harris rides a horse,

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3897/kh5wv.jpg

Doug M: Thanks, but you have to pray to the God who outlawed homosexuality though.

That's your interpretation.

It's wrong.

So, thanks, but I'll pray to the God who doesn't care whether someone is black or white, homosexual or heterosexual, man or woman, hindu or christian.

You know, the real God.

Big Daddy: It's so funny to see you libs continue to beat down on others misfortunes. So much for liberal compassion...

I am not a "liberal" and I have no compassion for corrupt public officials who conspire to disenfranchise tens of thousands of eligible voters so they can steal an election. Katherine Harris is a criminal and an un-American traitor, and should be serving a life sentence in federal prison for her role in stealing the 2000 presidential election in Florida.

will note that the evidence against Jesus was under oath too. Doug M.6:10 PM

AOG:

My God who doesn't care whether someone is black or white, man or woman.

Charlie posting as "Doug M." wrote: So far, I am [...] "a sucker, a rube, a mark to be taken."

For the record, I wrote "Ralph Reed thinks of you as a sucker, a rube, a mark to be taken." That's a statement about Ralph Reed, not about you.

Mike:

In God's eyes, if Reed is a Christian, he is as pure and innocent as His Son, Jesus.

John:

Thanks for the clarification -- someone else already covered "rube" though.

Doug M,

Add to your list that you are a blasphemer who compares Reed to Jesus.

Doug M. (Charlie, is that really you?): "Yeah -- I'm not sure Katherine Harris is going to win that election -- Ralph Reed, here in Georgia, however ..."

At least pretty-boy Ralph will make all sorts of new friends at the "Big House", while Katherine can share her make-up secrets with her lesbian cell-block matron.

Oh boy, Kevin called it correctly

A Fruit Loop thread indeed

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

SecularAnimist

Well, it was only a matter of time before you brought int that 2000 election stolen theory. And I thought libs were all "forward-looking"...

LOL!!!

msampie: "... but there is something fishy about that dead intern."

Sorry, but that dog ain't gonna hunt, any more than she is. Her own family has publicly expressed satisfaction with the coroner's report -- so let's please not go there, and leave them be.

Doud M. Why have you not said You love Hiliary Clinton ?

John is NOT a "liberal", Big Daddy. I wish I could stay and play with you guys, but I've got a town meeting tonight and a busy weekend going door to door for Reed -- see y'all!

Doug M./Charlie: "I am an 'ignorant neo-Confederate cracker', a 'gullible rube', a 'retarded Kevin Drum doppelgänger wannabe' and (my personal favorite) either 'so emotionally vested in these political lampreys that truth and fact no longer mean anything' to me, or, a catch-all 'just plain stupid.'"

Yep -- couldn't've said it any better.

SecularAnimist >"...her role in stealing the 2000 presidential election in Florida."

Well, the record shows she had plenty of help; that is if she actually had any clue what was going on which, IMO, is open to question

seldom, if ever, are the puppets told the whole scenario

"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

Hey, Doug M./Charlie, is that you?, I'd really love to stay and keep hitting out of the park these slow-pitch softballs you're tossing, but it's Friday afternoon and the surf's up on Oahu's South Shore.

One last bit of trivia before I go -- what was the name of Atlanta's minor league baseball team prior to the Braves' 1966 relocation from Milwaukee?

The Crackers!

See ya!

I thought it was common knowledge that Scarborough killed his intern. IOKIYAR.

I leave for an hour for my weekly anal exam and i see you libs still can't get over the fact that bush won. Talk about sore losers...

LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doug isn't really from Georgia(or did you suddenly relocate there from California?), nor is he a Christian.
His life is just one big lie. He can't even tell the truth about the most basic facts, such as his identity and various screen names--thus violating one of the most basic commandments.

p.s. Jesus was gay.

daCascadian wrote: Well, the record shows she had plenty of help; that is if she actually had any clue what was going on which, IMO, is open to question

The article you linked to is great, but it focuses on the election itself and the recount. It does not address the deliberate purge of tens of thousands of eligible African-American Democratic voters from Florida's voter rolls, by falsely identifying them as felons ineligible to vote, which was done before the election, under the direction of Katherine Harris in her capacity as Florida's Secretary of State.

If those voters had been able to exercise their right to vote, then Gore would have won Florida by a theft-proof margin of tens of thousands, and there would have been no recount. (And of course, as that article explains, even so, if every legally-cast ballot had been counted in accord with Florida's well-established election laws, then Gore would still have won.)

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Too bad that the conservative-controlled mainstream media won’t publicize the fact that Katherine Harris has a drinking problem or the fact that she was having an extramarital affair with Jeb Bush. Then she would really be in trouble!

Of course, these things would be front-page news if they were about Bill or Hillary Clinton. But, I guess, the Democrats just have to live with this right-wing media bias.

So, nobody here thinks that there is any possibility that Scarborogh was involved in that death?

Where did Harris get the idea for the slander?

From the article:

Scarborough said he was shocked Harris would cite ''a bunch of hateful left-wing websites'' and that she would repeat ``the slanderous attacks of the same people who attacked her for years.''

We should give poor Kathy the Judith Miller award.

The "do whatever the Bush administrition wants, and windup in total ruin" award.