It's okay Pat, maybe you're both right.

Does anyone honestly think most of the current coverage is pro-Israel?

At least Peter Jennings is no longer around, arwen.

I wish Atrios and Hugh Hewitt would read that report.

I wish Atrios and Hugh Hewitt would read that report.

Sadly, Atrios is too busy performing scientific calculations to figure out who qualifies as "wanker of the day" and who is merely a "whiny ass titty baby". WM is for serious policy analysis and discussion. Eschaton (and hugh hewitt) are not.

I wonder if Kevin has run into Hugh lately?

This biased article by Vedantam is clearly designed to put a smokescreen on Washington Post's clear bias against the liberals.

My sister had a right-wing jewish woman for a boss a couple years ago. This lady loved to refer to NPR as "national palestinian radio"

WHY DOESN'T THE MEDIA PUBLISH THIS?

Israel Fakes a Provocation (the "kidnapping" of Cpl Gilad Shalit)

The following passages in italics are from

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/26/wmid26.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/26/ixnews.html

Last night two Israeli soldiers were killed and another kidnapped in a dawn attack by Palestinian militants who tunnelled under Gazas heavily protected border.

The attackers, believed to number seven or eight, surprised Israeli forces when they appeared at first light through a tunnel on open ground 300 yards inside Israel near a kibbutz.

Gaza is built on old semi-consolidated sand dunes. It is extremely unlikely that anyone could tunnel 500, or more, yards in the sandy ground of Gaza (300 yards into Israel plus 200 yards of no-mans land plus more to the tunnel entrance), without the tunnel collapsing at some point.

They split into three groups before launching simultaneous attacks on three Israeli defensive positions - a look-out tower, plus a tank and an armoured personnel carrier, both dug in, facing Gaza.

If you were only seven or eight, would you split into three groups? If you were only two, or three, would you attack a tank over flat ground, manned by four soldiers waiting inside to kill you?

They blew open the tanks rear doors with a missile fired from point-blank range before tossing grenades inside. Two of the tank crew died and another was severely wounded but the final crew member, the gunner, was forced out of the wreckage at gunpoint.

The rear doors are blown off and a few grenades popped inside. Tanks are not made to fall apart. Blowing off the rear doors would have taken a blast sufficient to seriously hurt those inside. The grenades would have then made mincemeat of them. One wonders if it is standard practice to wear a bulletproof vest inside a hot tank. One would think that the tank would be bulletproof enough not to require such a vest. Can Israeli tanks stop bullets, or not?

Later reports, from the New York Times and Guardian, tell use that Shalit suffered only minor injuries to his abdomen and one arm, even though everyone else in the tank was severely wounded or killed. Shalit would have been less than three feet away from those killed (there is no spare room in a tank).

Israeli trackers said they found his blood-stained bulletproof vest close to the Gaza perimeter fence.

The militants force Shalit to take off his bulletproof vest and leave it close to the Gaza concentration camp fence, in order to help the Israelis with their investigation.

By the way, whose blood is it on his bulletproof vest? Did his minor wounds bleed profusely, or was it the other soldiers blood and guts all over him. Pity their bulletproof vests didn't save them.

Meanwhile, two other militants attacked a nearby concrete watchtower.... The troop carrier was also damaged in another attack but it was unoccupied. The attackers then escaped back into Gaza by cutting their way through the perimeter fence.

Interestingly, the attackers escaped easily by cutting through the (electrified) perimeter fence, yet cutting through the perimeter fence in order to get in, was so hard to do, that they burrowed through half a mile of sandy ground instead. Something wrong with this story, perhaps?

After all this commotion, the soldiers in all the nearby Gaza concentration camp guard-towers, manage to miss a few Arabs running the 300 yards, over flat ground, back to the perimeter fence, miss them when they cut through it, and miss them running across no-mans land to safety. Anyway why, you may ask, did they not return through the tunnel they had painstakingly dug? Perhaps, they wanted to prove the total incompetence of the Israeli soldier.

If you believe this sad tale, I have a bridge to sell you.

The Hamas political leadership sought to distance itself from the incident last night when a spokesman said it had no knowledge of the fate of Cpl Shilat. Ghazi Hamad, a spokesman, said: "We are calling on the resistance groups, if they do have the missing soldier to protect his life and treat him well."

Yes, the Hamas political leadership had no idea of the fate of Cpl Shilat, as the story is a total fabrication.

If you are not already convinced that the whole story is a fabrication, ask yourself; What were the four Israeli soldiers doing in the tiny confines of that dug-in tank? Ask your self; How long were they going to continue sitting in that tank? All day perhaps, or till they roasted in the desert sun? Or, till another group of four took over on the next shift? And of course, having four soldiers in just one tank, wont provide a defense, so there will have to be hundreds of tanks and hundreds of soldiers all sitting in these tanks,...

all waiting,... all waiting,... all waiting,.... for exactly what?

Waiting for Palestinian children to throw stones at them, perhaps? Perhaps, waiting attentively for militants to dig a half mile tunnel through sandy soil, pop up, and rush them over flat ground, but not attentively enough to see them approach? Perhaps, they were waiting for the Egyptian army to materialize, Star Trek like, from their bases hundreds of miles away on the other side of the Suez canal? I dont know,... you tell me why?

Yes, the story is a total fabrication. A fake provocation to start a war. Yes, the Jews are evil people.

Maybe the mainstream media thinks that it has a liberal bias that needs to be corrected until critics on the left are as vociferous as critics on the right.

Does this mean that we should call for the death of Chris Matthews?

A book worth reading that draws related conclusions is "How We Know What Isn't So" by Thomas Gilovich.

Does anyone honestly think most of the current coverage is pro-Israel?

Most of what I've seen on US-targetted news networks seems to be trying very hard to spin events as pro-Israel as possible, even going so far as to have reporters and anchors (on allegedly straight-news programs, not commentary programs), after some non-media source provides information or opinion that is not in line with the Israeli position, say something along the lines of "Of course, [statement of pro-Israel opinion or “fact”—often untrue where supposedly factual—contradicting whatever the preceding statement said]."

The few times I've got the BBC News or even CNN International, there's been far less in the way of clumsy, obvious spin effort.

nut:

Was the recent Dershowitz op-ed in the Los Angeles Times a smokescreen too?

Most of the media is just lazy.

McJournalism.

cmdicely:

You mean, when someone like Watcher manages to get through and screams about Israel faking the abductions, an anchor actually says: "Of course, Israel maintains that no such fake took place"?

I can't believe that I'm actually responding to lwatcher but;

Hamas has since fully acknowledged capturing Shalit. Are they actually controlled by Israel too?

You mean, when someone like Watcher manages to get through and screams about Israel faking the abductions, an anchor actually says: "Of course, Israel maintains that no such fake took place"?

No, I mean more like when someone claims that Israel is bombing civilian targets and that that should be considered not just the civilian targets hit by Hezbollah, a reporter comes on and says "Of course, Israel is attempting to target Hezbollah targets".

While the kind of thing you point to could be used for a mild kind of spin (if it was selectively used to only provide the claims of the other side when anti-Israel statements were used), what really bothers me is that reporters are taking it on themselves to contradict one side with the other sides unverifiable claims as if they were established facts.

it's more like when the anchors say that israel is bombing beiruit since beiruit is where the hezbollah headquarters are ... and leave off the fact that, as the capital of lebannon, there is a lot of non-hezbollah shit there, as well.

... or when the anchors say that israel is bombing a heavily-hezbollah part of a city ... without mentioning that the building just blown up was an apartment building in the residential part of the city.

it's like how people can addend "terrorist" or "hezbollah" as an adjective, and all discourse comes to an end ... because of course we can treat hezbollah like shit.

who cares if the corpse is that of a 2 yr old?? ... they were a 2 yr old living in the city where hezbollah's headquarters are ... so it's justified. ... see how easy that is.

It's not just the media that wants to believe that if both sides critisize you you must be doing something right.

That's the stupid game courtrooms and judges play all the time.

I swear Kev, I could sue you for saying that 2+2 = 4 when we know it 2+2=6. You would call your experts and I mine, and at the end there is a substantial probability the judge would take all of this under consideration and decide that 2+2=5.

The problem is that a successful journalist is defined to be one who is no longer a practicing journalist.

So the news stories that you read are by those who could not hack it in mathematics and sciences and engineering or even economics in college. In other words, by people who cannot comprehend simple concepts beyond he said she said type of journalism.

Believing your own bad press is a trap easy to fall into, easier if you're well-disposed in the first place.

Conservatives, of course, never have this problem.

Good point, Henry!

It is important to understand that

THE JEWS STARTED BOTH THE MASSACRES IN GAZA AND LEBANON.

IN GAZA they fabricated a (clearly false) story in their newspapers about a "kidnapped" soldier.

IN LEBANON the Israeli Death Force sent troops into a disputed piece of SYRIA (Shebaa Farms: it was stolen from Syria by Jews in the surprise Jew attack of1967, so the legalistic Jews decided they did not have to return it to Lebanon when they withdrew in 2000) knowing full well how Hizbollah would respond to an intrusion by Jew troops into Arab lands. Hizbollah responded exactly as they have in the past. No surprise here. The Jews used this as an excuse for their pre-planned Nazi attack on Lebanon.

In short:

THE JEWS STARTED BOTH THE MASSACRES IN GAZA AND LEBANON.

lurker said: "Hamas has since fully acknowledged capturing Shalit. Are they actually controlled by Israel too?"

Wow, cool, a reply to Israel Fakes a Provocation (the "kidnapping" of Cpl Gilad Shalit).

You are wrong, Hamas has not fully acknowledged capturing Shalit.

"The Hamas leadership sought to distance itself from the incident last night when a spokesman said it had no knowledge of the fate of Cpl Shilat. Ghazi Hamad, a spokesman, said: "We are calling on the resistance groups, if they do have the missing soldier to protect his life and treat him well." from the Guardian article linked to in the post.

I not only think the claim by media persons that they are criticized by both sides is weak, many times I doubt that it is even true. It is an automatic response that the media makes whenever they are acccused of bias and they get away with it because who knows whether it it true. Take Dan Rather. Most everyone accepts he is liberal and biased, but he is one who immediately pleads that he gets criticism from both sides. While perhaps that is literally true, does anyone think the criticism was about equal on each side.

who cares if the corpse is that of a 2 yr old?? ... they were a 2 yr old living in the city where hezbollah's headquarters are ... so it's justified. ... see how easy that is.
Posted by: Nads on July 24, 2006 at 7:41 PM | PERMALINK

That two year old was a potential homicide bomber.

You see the same sort of thing in things as mundane as sports. After a game, referees are chastised by fans and media if the number of penalties or fouls by one team significantly exceeds the others. You even see those more sophisticated participants making use of this to skew things in their favor. Back when he was coaching the rough and tumble Knicks, Pat Riley would complain in the media if the Knicks fouls were many more than the Bulls in a playoff game. Of course, he taught the Knicks to hand check, and knock anyone down who was going for a layup, so of course the Knicks fouled more. But it had its affect on the refs, and you could see them trying to even out the calls in the next game.

lurker, if you really want to understand the mechanics of the fabrication,....

The Jew press claims that the Popular Resistance Committees, the armed wing of Hamas and the (previously unknown) Army of Islam were jointly responsible for the kidnapping of Shilat.

Why three groups you may ask?

The reason for three groups, is so that each of them might believe that the other has the "kidnapped" soldier, when, in fact, none of them have him. He is sipping coffee in Tel Aviv.

And why did a "previously unknown" group put up its hand?

Well, just in case one of the groups had doubts that the other group had the "kidnapped" soldier, they certainly couldn't be sure the "previously unknown" group didn't have him,... because after all, they don't have any idea who is leading, or even in this unknown group.

So the reason for the weird "I did it arrangement," is so that the Jew press can claim that the Arabs claimed responsibility, when all they have done, is to NOT deny they did it.

Oh yeah, the "previously unknown" group is a Jew invention. I doesn't exist, except in the Jew newspapers.

what really bothers me is that reporters are taking it on themselves to contradict one side with the other sides unverifiable claims as if they were established facts

cmdicely, I agree with you, and not just in re: Israel.

brian, the difference between conservative media criticism and that from the Left is that conservatives want the media to be obedient little propaganda robots (see: Fox News, Washington Times) or not exist at all. Liberals simply want the press to do its job.

On that score, Thomas Jefferson, for one, would agree with the liberals.

The sense inside newsrooms that you are doing your job when you are getting beaten up by both sides is very ingrained.

I had a conversation with our local newspaper editor along these lines. I told him that in the particular case he needed to stop being proud of his nonpartisanship and issue a retraction/apology.

I though this site had a rule about posting entire articles on the thread, no? If so, will somebody please delete lawatcher's pathetic pastings above. I don't need to wade through it. And frankly, he will probably appreciate it too. Because then he can bitch about how he got deleted because he is posting "the truth" about Israel and it will reinforce his little antisemitic fantasy.

The pathetic antisemitism of Lawatcher makes me pine for the reliable trolls of old. I don't like Al, Hawk, et al., because I don't think they are usually responsive to the point being made, but they're not crazy.

Still, it's nice to know the corporal is sipping tea in Tel Aviv. Anyone know, is it traditional leaf tea, or herbal? Does he take milk?

LAWATCHER: Yes, the story is a total fabrication. A fake provocation to start a war. Yes, the Jews are evil people.

While your accusations are purely baseless speculation, for the sake of argument, let's suppose the official story is a total fabrication. This has nothing to do with whether the kidnapping was faked or not. It has to do with the evil in your hatred.

WMD in Iraq was a total fabrication. A fake provocation to start a war. Yes, the people who faked it (the Bush administration) committed evil acts.

But it doesn't make white people or Methodists or black people or Baptists or Jews evil. People of every race, every nationality and every religion commit evil acts. Invariably, they will blame their evil acts on what they believe and what they want others to believe is the inherent evil in a group of people.

You have an evil agenda; it is hatred. Your speculation is colored by that hatred and collapses from the weight of it. Your hatred means that you will fabricate; you will provoke.

But, again, even if you had videotape evidence or a signed confession by the Israeli leaders, you have made no case whatsoever supporting your charge that "the Jews are evil people." Of course there are haters with evil in their hearts in Israel. That proves only that, like the rest of humanity--like you--they are not immune to the scourge of hatred. Luckily, most of humanity--most Jews--have not succumbed to hatred and become evil. But you have.

Wait a second, the report itself warns that the reader shouldn't make the very conclusions that Vedantam and Drum both make. The Israel/Lebanon war drew heavy emotional responses, the level of factual knowledge of the participants varied greatly, and as Kevin points out, no objective analysis was done on the actual bias in what they viewed.

Also, shouldn't we take into account that this study was done 24 years ago, when the political and media environment was much, much different than today.

Also also, as much as we like to bash bloggers for their knee-jerk partisanship, taken together they do produce a lot more "we can all now agree/admit" factual information than television media, where false information isn't so much corrected as disappeared.

By the way, American Hawk, I can't take your "WM is for serious policy analysis and discussion" statement seriously unless you adjust your monocle and harrumph in contempt.

"Sometimes, the media bias really is all in your mind."

Does that mean Judith Miller was just a dream, and Fox News never really happened? Just in time, because I was begining to lose my fucking mind with all this propaganda being shoved down my throat.

"Note that the point of the paper [Vedantam cites] has nothing to do with whether the news segments themselves were biased or unbiased..."

What other point is there? Oh, yeah, this:

"The point is that partisans always judge the media to be hostile to their position."

Is that so? Well, what exactly is that paper Vedantam references?

"In one especially telling experiment, researchers showed 144 observers six television news segments about Israel's 1982 war with Lebanon."

Translation: 144 STANFORD STUDENTS watching hours of the NBC, ABC, and CBS nightly newscasts. Essentially the next generation of elites observing hours of corporate broadcast news. Hmm...

What were the findings?

"Pro-Arab viewers heard 42 references that painted Israel in a positive light and 26 references that painted Israel unfavorably."

"Pro-Israeli viewers, who watched the very same clips, spotted 16 references that painted Israel positively and 57 references that painted Israel negatively."

And on a side note, "neutral observers" spotted 19 positive Israeli references, and 54 negative ones, essentially the same as the pro-Israeli side. Notice the differential between positive and negative perceptions of Israel by both pro-Israeli observers and neutral observes is around 30 whereas the pro-Arab side is roughly half that.

Why is this important? Because according to Vedantam, the authors of the paper

"Both found that what partisans worry about the most is the impact of the news on neutral observers. But the data suggest such worry is misplaced. Neutral observers are better than partisans at seeing flaws and virtues on both sides. Partisans, it turns out, are particularly susceptible to the general human belief that other people are susceptible to propaganda."

But in their own example, the neutrals saw the same thing as the pro-Israeli side, and proportionately more so than the pro-Arab side. And what were they watching? News of the massacres at Shatila and Sabrina! For which Sharon (commander of Israeli forces that controlled the camps) was himself convicted of war crimes by his own supreme court.

So is it any surprise that a small sampling from one of America's most elite and conservative universities reveals that most of them saw bias in the depiction of an Israeli war crime against hapless refugees? Isn't that precisely what all of us who despise the tactics of the Israeli state yet support its right to exist have been saying for decades?

And lets be clear where Vadantam's story is heading:

"When you are persuaded by something, you don't think it is propaganda," Ross said. "Israelis know they see the world the way they do because they are Israelis, and Arabs, too. The difference is people think in their case, their special identities are a source of enlightenment, whereas other people's source of enlightenment is a source of bias."

In other words, you kidnap one of our soldiers, we displace 750,000 or your people. It's all the same. No differences here. Move along please...

Of course, one of the major factors in media bias is cui bono.

For instance, take a look at this Los Angeles Times article and tell me who such propaganda serves.

Solely in my humble opinion, I'm going to guess that the reporter - and those who write similar stories - was to a certain degree just a useful idiot selected for her "liberal" views. Those who ultimately assigned her and others like her to the task are not doing so out of partisanship, but out of a desire to gain money or power.

While the story is designed to appeal to "liberals", it could have just as easily been designed to appeal to conservatives, except there are many more "liberals" in L.A. than conservatives.

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the "previously unknown" group is a Jew invention

Like the theory of relativity?

Well, I'm furious at the media, just as I was in the prelude to 'Shock and Awe.' Someone once said that Russians became quite expert at reading 'in between the lines' in Pravda and managed to be well-informed by honing this skill. I so the same thing now here in the US.
I've once again turned to alternative news for my information since 'reading between the lines or listening between the words' becomes tiresome after a while. Two disasters the media has been mostly responsible for in recent years, in my opinion, is Gore's loss in the 2000 presidential election and the invasion of Iraq. I honestly don't know if it's cluelessness on the part of journalists or obedience to corporate control.
I hope all of you are familiar with "FAIR" and "Media Matters."

"The belief that you're doing OK if both sides hate you has always struck me as infantile"

Kevin, you're probably right. The only people I know who believe that are divorce lawyers who say if both parties feel they got taken to the cleaners, it was probably a fair settlement.

Bias is NOT merely a function of what a story says when it goes into print or over the air. Bias enters when decisions are made about WHAT will be pursued as a story and how it will be reported. Editors over the last couple of decades have clearly yielded to critics from the right and published or broadcast stories that reflect right-wing viewpoints in the mistaken belief that they are achieving balance or correcting an innate tendency toward a liberal viewpoint. They pull their punches on stories that will anger the partisan right. The partisan right reflexively and cynically continues to savage any journalism that challenges their world view because they know the mass media will respond favorably to them.
There is no corresponding campaign from the partisan left. Period. Criticism from the left is overwhelmingly based on objections to poor, incomplete, hedged -- ergo, prejudiced -- reporting. Liberals would be just as happy to see a Democratic politician nailed for corruption as a Republican, but the reverse is quite obviously not true, whatever the apologists on this blog might say. Media criticism from the left is based on principle while criticism from the right is explicitly drawn from an agenda divorced from principle.

brooksfoe said: "the previously unknown group is a Jew invention,... Like the theory of relativity?"

brooksfoe, I guess you are trolling for the following:

Actually, the theory of relativity was mainly French. It was mainly discovered by Henri Poincaré, with a supporting cast of many.

"H. Poincare had already completely solved the problem of time several years before the appearance of Einstein's first work (1905)", H. Thirring, 1927.

"Einstein simply postulates what we have deduced, with some difficulty and not altogether satisfactorily, from the fundamental equations of the electromagnetic field." Lorentz in his book "The Theory of Electrons" (1906)

"... While Lorentz must be considered as the first to have found the mathematical content of the relativity principle, Einstein succeeded in reducing it to a simple principle...." Wilhelm Wien (1911 Nobel Prize in Physics).

"No unprejudiced person can deny that, in the absence of direct and incontrovertible proofs establishing his innocence, Einstein must, in view of the circumstantial evidence previously presented, stand convicted before the world as a plagiarist." Prof. Arvid Reuterdahl

"almost every idea and formula of the theory (of relativity) had been anticipated (often actually published previously) by others. For example, Voigt formally derived the Lorentz transformations in 1887 based on general considerations of the wave equation. In the context of electro-dynamics, Fitzgerald, Larmor, and Lorentz had all, by 1892, arrived at the Lorentz transformations, including all the peculiar "time dilation" and "length contraction" effects (with respect to the transformed coordinates) associated with Einstein's special relativity. By 1905, Poincare had clearly articulated the principle of relativity and many of its consequences, had pointed out the lack of empirical basis for absolute simultaneity, had challenged the ontological significance of the ether, and had even demonstrated that the Lorentz transformations constitute a group in the same sense as do Galilean transformations." Kevin Brown in "Reflections on Relativity" (Brown is an Einstein supporter).

"It is easily proven that Albert Einstein did not originate the special theory of relativity in its entirety, or even in its majority. The historic record is readily available. Ludwig Gustav Lange, Woldemar Voigt, George Francis FitzGerald, Joseph Larmor, Hendrik Antoon Lorentz, Jules Henri Poincaré, Paul Drude, Paul Langevin, and many others, slowly developed the theory, step by step, and based it on thousands of years of recorded thought and research." Christopher Bjerknes in "Albert Einstein: The Incorrigible Plagiarist"

Albert Einstein: Plagiarist of the Century
Albert Einstein: The Incorrigible Plagiarist
Test Your Knowledge of the History of the Theory of Relativity.

WM is for serious policy analysis and discussion. Eschaton (and hugh hewitt) are not.

American Hawk, OMG! Did you just complement WM? Even worse, I agree with what you said! Even about Atrios! AAAAAAGHHH (head explodes)

Don't not be a troll like that anymore. ouch! I want my head back!

The issue is not bias; the issue is he said/she said stenography replacing real reporting. Real reporters dig and research and demand answers to rude questions and walk the streets and climb the hills to find out the truth behind the self-serving statements of both sides. Stenographers write: "A Nazi spokesperson today denied unsubstantiated charges by Jewish groups that the German government is operating concentration camps."

Stenographers write: "A Nazi spokesperson today denied unsubstantiated charges by Jewish groups that the German government is operating concentration camps."

Brilliant. Fucking brilliant.

So where's the liberal version of FOX that skewers conservatives and build up liberals? Enquiring minds want to know.

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