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August 15, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

CORNER WATCH....Over at NRO, the odious Mark Levin finally figures out an appropriately Swift Boat-ish response to the criticism George Allen is enduring after being caught on tape calling a dark-skinned volunteer for Jim Webb's campaign "macaca":

Not one word about the Webb campaign's dirty trick in having one of its volunteers, camcorder in hand, harrassing Allen as he campaigns around Virginia.

Man, I can't wait for that to become the talking point du jour among the wingnuts. How dare the Webb campaign videotape Allen at a public speech in front of hundreds of people! What a dirty trick!

(A summary of the macaca controversy is here, in case you haven't been keeping up. Video here.)

UPDATE: As several commenters pointed out, Levin's comment is doubly ridiculous because employing people to shadow your opponent's campaign is standard practice today. Jake provides some amusing detail about Allen's own shadowing habits:

In fact Allen has two, yes two trackers, who have been following Webb around even before the primary. The odd thing is Allen didn't have a single tracker following Webb's primary opponent, Harris Miller.

And one of the trackers had an arrest warrant issued for his arrest because he was super aggressive, even following Webb to the restroom.

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I would bet Allen is having someone follow Webb around. Any competent campaign has a staffer trail the opponent.

Posted by: aminal on August 15, 2006 at 7:21 PM | PERMALINK

Animal: Yeah, this is such common practice that it makes Levin's remark even funnier. He must have been truly desperate for something to hit back with.

Posted by: Kevin Drum on August 15, 2006 at 7:24 PM | PERMALINK

Somewhat OT, but it seems the party of David Duke lives. That would be the Grand Old Party.

Wolcott

Posted by: JeffII on August 15, 2006 at 7:25 PM | PERMALINK

Compare and contrast with the armies of hecklers that Mellon-Scaife and others hired to follow Bill Clinton around....

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on August 15, 2006 at 7:25 PM | PERMALINK

And people wonder why others associate Republicans with that point of view.

Posted by: Boorring on August 15, 2006 at 7:33 PM | PERMALINK

My understanding is that George Allen is going to turn tigers into butter. That will teach Jim Webb and his followers a lesson about racism, cognates and lower primates.

Posted by: Hostile on August 15, 2006 at 7:33 PM | PERMALINK

So Allen made a nickname for a hack who worked for liberal Hollywood producer James Webb and liberals are all bent out of shape about it. Allen was just referring to Sidarth's mohawk. Why can't liberals take a joke about a person's hair? *snicker*

Posted by: Al on August 15, 2006 at 7:34 PM | PERMALINK

When liberals criticize the hundreds (if not thousands) of democrats who call George Bush a monkey, I'll take complaints like this seriously.

Posted by: American Hawk on August 15, 2006 at 7:36 PM | PERMALINK

Bush isn't a monkey; he's a chimp.

Posted by: lily on August 15, 2006 at 7:40 PM | PERMALINK

Tens of millions would be a better estimate.

Posted by: Hostile on August 15, 2006 at 7:41 PM | PERMALINK

Unnamed "Democrats" are not equivalent to a Senator speaking to an all-white audience telling the only brown-skinned person "welcome to America". Besides you'll never take this stuff seriously anyway, becaue it isn't manly or Hawkish to be concerned about racial intolerance. Hence our large share of the minority vote,

Posted by: DiscoStu on August 15, 2006 at 7:42 PM | PERMALINK

George Bush is an Al Qaqaa.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on August 15, 2006 at 7:49 PM | PERMALINK

The whole Corner take on this affair is quite strange, to say the least. The ubermensch Kate Obierne asks if anyone other than the Webb campaign is offended by this, and then goes on to suggest that Sidharth's statement that he was singled out because he was the only non-white in the crowd should be more offensive to people than Allen's carciaturing the poor guy as a moneky.

Well, what can one expect from National Review? When the movie Gandhi became quite a success, on Firing Line Mr. Buckley had a panel whose purpose was to prove that Gandhi was not a perfect human being.

Posted by: nut on August 15, 2006 at 7:50 PM | PERMALINK

George Allen should know better. The proper name for a partisan political hack is "Al." In a pinch, "American Hawk" is OK, too.

Posted by: Bobarino on August 15, 2006 at 7:51 PM | PERMALINK

Bush isn't a monkey; he's a chimp.

Big surprise that wingnuts don't know the difference.

(Btw, since when is "Bush is a chimp" a racist slur?)

Posted by: Disputo on August 15, 2006 at 7:58 PM | PERMALINK

George Allen has a racist history, so this is nothing new. Imagine the level of stupidity Allen displays by saying that to a guy who has a video camera on him. TNR did an article on him about his "race problem," but the line about cowboy boots is wrong.

Posted by: Mike on August 15, 2006 at 7:59 PM | PERMALINK

Allen's command of ethnic slurs is certainly above average, if the space devoted to explanation is any indication.

Posted by: has407 on August 15, 2006 at 7:59 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, you really should take Levin to task about this dumbass comment. EVERY campaign I have EVER worked, BOTH sides had camera-people following the candidate around to every public event (well, actually, that's not entirely true: in SOME campaigns, only the Republicans did this). It really is incredibly standard practice in the industry. To try and bring it up is about as a dishonest "grasping at straws" move as one can imagine.

Posted by: plunge on August 15, 2006 at 8:01 PM | PERMALINK

I go back and forth on it but I'm thinking that Mark Levin is the lamest contributor at The Corner, yes even worst than Tim Graham.

Posted by: Uncle Bunny on August 15, 2006 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK

(Btw, since when is "Bush is a chimp" a racist slur?)

It is offensive to chimpanzees everywhere! We deserve better after all our sacrafices as astronauts and make-up toxicty testers! We suggest "Bush is slug."

Posted by: Cheetah on August 15, 2006 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK

Defending Allen by charging that the dark-skinned Webb worker was "harassing" Allen are ridiculous on their face.

Video and audio of the entire exchange are available to determine whether there was any harassment occuring other than the harassment and ridicule put out by George Felix Allen himself. I didn't hear the cameraman at all in the clip I watched but I did clearly hear this (phonetically) from Allen:

muh - kah - kuh

That's not arguable. Neither is his comment to Fairfax Virginia native Sidarth "Welcome to America". That's the part that has rankled the Indian-American's I've read comment on the incident. Allen's bigoted dismissal of Sidarth by assuming he was not an American was truly insulting.

Posted by: Clear Enough To Me on August 15, 2006 at 8:05 PM | PERMALINK

This reminds me of the time I started chatting up a young woman with a video camera at a Howard Dean rally in New Hampshire. Eventually it came out that she was a Kerry staffer videotaping the rally for anything incriminating. Then I immediately lost interest. :)

Posted by: Constantine on August 15, 2006 at 8:06 PM | PERMALINK

Well, what can one expect from National Review?

I think that people need to put some pressure on editor-in-chief Ramesh Ponnuru to come down hard on Allen and to apply pressure on the Republican party to withdraw all support from him. This really is one of those make or break moments for Ponnuru -- he can smack around Allen's enablers, including Levin and O'Beirne, for their idiocy or he can turn a blind eye to obvious anti-Indian racism.

My bet's that he does nothing, even if Allen wins the Presidential nomination in 2008. I'd love to be proven wrong.

Posted by: no name on August 15, 2006 at 8:08 PM | PERMALINK

So... if we believe Mark Levin, it was a dirty trick for this guy to show up and tape at Allen's events. And, I suppose, if you're racist George Allen, it is something like being bated when you keep seeing the same brown guy over and over in your usually-white campaign events. Holding a camcorder instead of a canape tray like George expects.

So sure, Mark, I'll accept that Webb was playing a trick, if you'll admit that the only way that trick works is because Allen can't help but make fun of someone's race when he feels the least bit threatened by them. I personally am just fine with this frame.

Posted by: ryan on August 15, 2006 at 8:09 PM | PERMALINK

Y'know, you combine this with the Confederate flags and the nooses, and it's almost like the man might harbor some racist tendencies...

Posted by: dj moonbat on August 15, 2006 at 8:10 PM | PERMALINK

Ummm, Its my understanding that it is common practice for campaigns to have someone follow opposition around with a camera. I'll put money on it that the Allen campaign is doing the exact same thing.

Its a dumb talking point.

Posted by: Simp on August 15, 2006 at 8:11 PM | PERMALINK

Campaigns videotaping their opponents is so normal that it would be strange if it wasn't happening.

Posted by: harry on August 15, 2006 at 8:13 PM | PERMALINK

The comment is so strange as to have me wondering why they heck he said it and where he got the bizarre word.

And pretty insulting to say 'welcome to america' as though Democrats weren't americans because of their diverse nature.

Posted by: Crissa on August 15, 2006 at 8:16 PM | PERMALINK

Allen is one seriously f-ed up dude.

His mother is Jewish and he spent his entire upbringing in IL and CA, and yet he somehow has this crazy fascination with the confederacy and an attraction to racist imagery, language, and ideology.

And then there are his sister's charges of sadism.

Please, GOP nominate him for your candidate in 2008.

Posted by: Disputo on August 15, 2006 at 8:18 PM | PERMALINK

shorter Mark Levin: "GOP: My Party, Right Or Wrong"

Posted by: cleek on August 15, 2006 at 8:20 PM | PERMALINK

lily: Bush isn't a monkey; he's a chimp.

Fuck you; he's one of yours.

Posted by: Cheeta on August 15, 2006 at 8:25 PM | PERMALINK

The Al-bot is in need of an upgrade. It's promoting yesterday's talking point:

Allen was just referring to Sidarth's mohawk. Why can't liberals take a joke about a person's hair? *snicker*
Posted by: Al on August 15, 2006 at 7:34 PM |

Today's take on the affair has Allen himself saying that he wasn't trying to say "Mohawk", but made up the word on the spot, and was innocently unaware that he was calling Sidarth a monkey.

Posted by: keith on August 15, 2006 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

Josh Marshall has that his mother is French from Tunisia. Did anyone 'welcome' her to America?

Posted by: cld on August 15, 2006 at 8:30 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin, in fact Allen has two, yes two trackers, who have been following Webb around even before the primary. The odd thing is Allen didn't have a single tracker following Webb's primary opponent, Harris Miller.

And one of the trackers had an arrest warrant issued for his arrest because he was super aggressive, even following Webb to the restroom.

Weird.

Posted by: Jake on August 15, 2006 at 8:38 PM | PERMALINK

It wouldn't surprise me if Allen was a racist. It just seems highly unlikely that he would use a racial slur to refer to someone holding a video camera who is working for his opponent.

Posted by: Del Capslock on August 15, 2006 at 8:52 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin: there's even more great stuff:
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2006/08/missed_one.html

Allen's apology compounds the original error. He basically assumed and STILL assumes that the kid lives "inside the beltway" (where most of the NOVA minorities live) and that this is not "the real world." That's honestly how he tries to explain his comments: by saying that when he saw a minority, he assumed that the kid came from the inner beltway and "not the real world."

The irony is that the kids lives in Dunn Loring: outside the beltway. But I guess he's not white enough to blend in.

Posted by: plunge on August 15, 2006 at 8:57 PM | PERMALINK

And one of the trackers had an arrest warrant issued for his arrest because he was super aggressive, even following Webb to the restroom.

A similar incident occurred between Barack Obama and a tracker working for Jack Ryan as well two years ago. But this guy was literally like a foot from Obama at all times, even when he was on the phone to his wife. Got a lot of play in the press.

Posted by: Vladi G on August 15, 2006 at 9:03 PM | PERMALINK

It wouldn't surprise me if Allen was a racist. It just seems highly unlikely that he would use a racial slur to refer to someone holding a video camera who is working for his opponent.

As I wrote at Tapped:

Anyone remember Dick Army's famous on-live-radio "Barney Fag, er, I mean Frank" slip-up from many years ago?

These folks get so comfortable using slurs in private that sometimes it just slips out in public.

Posted by: Disputo on August 15, 2006 at 9:09 PM | PERMALINK

George Allen: A stupid version of GW Bush.

Posted by: Wombat on August 15, 2006 at 9:15 PM | PERMALINK

Logically, the likes of Levin and OBirne are themselves racists for just shrugging off an abviously racist rambling by Allen.

Posted by: nut on August 15, 2006 at 9:16 PM | PERMALINK

These folks get so comfortable using slurs in private that sometimes it just slips out in public.

That is exactly right.


Posted by: Moonlight on August 15, 2006 at 9:24 PM | PERMALINK

I love lily, and Al, they're talking about you on Scarborough. Ol Joe had some good clips tonight.

Posted by: call me HozenAl on August 15, 2006 at 9:26 PM | PERMALINK

What a dirty trick!

Damn right it was! They knew full well how Allen would react when he saw a brown-skin in front of him. It's entrapment!

Posted by: Grumpy on August 15, 2006 at 9:39 PM | PERMALINK

George Allen reminds me of Tom Berenger's character from the film "Betrayed".

Posted by: Moonlight on August 15, 2006 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK

Anyone remember Dick Army's famous on-live-radio "Barney Fag, er, I mean Frank" slip-up from many years ago?

Double Standard Disputo strikes again.

Anyone remember Democrat congressman Pete Stark calling Republican congressman Scott McInnis a "little fruitcake" and a "little wimp?"

Posted by: GOP on August 15, 2006 at 9:47 PM | PERMALINK

I am an Indian American, and have lived in USA for over 35 years.

We Indians call each other Macaca all the time.

Senator Allen is being slandered by the big bad liberals.

Posted by: gregor on August 15, 2006 at 9:56 PM | PERMALINK

If Allen could do a competent impersonation of an old-school Virginian, the scene would have played out like this:

"I'm so glad to be among so many friends here today. And the young gentleman over there [gestures to Sidharth] from the Democrats..." [Everyone looks at Sidharth]

Point made for the crowd. No media blowback.

Posted by: allbetsareoff on August 15, 2006 at 10:05 PM | PERMALINK

Really? They're talking about me on TV? Is this my fifteen minutes?

Posted by: lily on August 15, 2006 at 10:13 PM | PERMALINK

*Your item from 5 days ago is closed for comments? I just wanted to thank you for getting the word out about Josh.*

FYI: Here's Josh's Wiki, "Created to raising awareness about ...". And a big part of Josh's site is about the Grand Jury proceedings.

cheers

p.s. "Grand Jury Resistance Project" deserves credit for the solid work on the wiki and more.

Posted by: Ben Tremblay on August 15, 2006 at 10:16 PM | PERMALINK

I am an Indian American, and have lived in USA for over 35 years. We Indians call each other Macaca all the time. Senator Allen is being slandered by the big bad liberals. - gregor

Really? And what do you mean by it when you call someone Macaca? And is that the same thing as when a big dumb white guy does it?

Posted by: JeffCO on August 15, 2006 at 10:29 PM | PERMALINK

nut/gregor, Allen isn't Indian-American, is he?

Posted by: cleek on August 15, 2006 at 10:33 PM | PERMALINK

White, elitist snobs like Allen or, well, the Bush family call multi-racial children little brown ones and see no problem with it. The Bushes, like Sen. Allen, also believe they are entitled to secrecy and privilege, despite living very public lives and benefiting from the publicity. In short, they behave like the monarchists that our forefathers fought so hard to free themselves of. But, modern conservatives, at their core, misunderstand what it means to be an American.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on August 15, 2006 at 10:34 PM | PERMALINK

In defense of the Corner, other posters have clearly stated that this was a stupid mistake on Allen's part. Jonah posts the following e-mail from a reader:

I would like to state for the record that as a conservative Republican I dont trust George Allen. Hes the GOPs own Hee-Haw version of Howard Dean in terms of anger and flying off the handle. You could tell he really meant the slur and he was seconds from blowing his top. Im an all out red-state conservative that prefers Bushs Marlboro man act to John Kerrys trendy, florescent, and sissy windsurfing. However, Allens NASCAR Joe act is very strange. He did grow up in a southern California wealthy neighborhood & high school, his dad was a big-time college football coach, and his mother is from French heritage. One could argue it sounds a lot like George W Bushs pedigree. Yet, Allen comes across not with cowboy charm but as a redneck bully w/ dip between his teeth. I urge everyone to read the New Republic cover story that was published back in the early summer. This guy obviously has some weird fascinations with the south, the confederate flag, and pick-ups. He has a mean, high school jock, streak thats evident in this short clip and the TNR cover story of his past. Im not suggesting this disqualifies someone from the White House. I just dont trust the guy. Even Allens sisters description of her brother seems to boil down to one thing, mean.

Posted at 3:06 PM

At this point in time, I have no strong feelings either way about Allen and whether he would be a good candidate in 08. However, since I have said that I do not believe that the Reps will nominate a current federal officeholder in 08, I view his candidacy as being as likely to succeed as that of his fellow Senator, Majority Leader Bill Frist. lol

Posted by: Chicounsel on August 15, 2006 at 10:38 PM | PERMALINK

Hi, I'm a dumbass, but I vote for my intellectual superiors.
Allen in '08!

Posted by: GOP on August 15, 2006 at 10:40 PM | PERMALINK

GOP is right, though. Democrats have a far worse record of making racial, ethnic and sexual slurs than Republicans do.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on August 15, 2006 at 10:45 PM | PERMALINK

Too true. The most racist, homophobic comments I have heard from national politicians have all come from Democrats, especially Southern Democrats like Robert Byrd and Fritz Hollings.

Posted by: Clear Enough To Me on August 15, 2006 at 10:48 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if fellow-cornerist Jonah Goldberg has responded to this. This is what the Wikipedia says about his mother:

During the 1972 presidential campaign [Lucianne Goldberg] joined the press corps covering candidate George McGovern, claiming to be a reporter for the Women's News Service, an affiliate of NANA. In fact, she was paid $1000 a week by Richard Nixon operative Murray Chotiner for regular reports about happenings on the campaign trail.

Posted by: JS on August 15, 2006 at 11:02 PM | PERMALINK

American Hawk:

We don't call Dumbya a chimp because of his *race*.

We call Dumbya a chimp because of a Lombrossian phrenological evaluation :)

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 15, 2006 at 11:14 PM | PERMALINK

Allen's remarks are a non issue... let's move on

Posted by: jay jerome on August 15, 2006 at 11:35 PM | PERMALINK

George Allen is a mean man. He was Virginia governor from 1994 until 1998. In one speech to Republicans he said that he wanted to smash the Democrats' teeth down their throats. In congressional testimony he ridiculed the writer Shelby Foote for opposing the Disney Company's effort to build an amusement park near the Manassas Civil War battlefield. So, this episode does not surprise me.

Posted by: Jeff on August 15, 2006 at 11:52 PM | PERMALINK

Hi!

In the video that I just watched (here) which may or may not be the same version at TNR, it is abundantly clear that the "welcome to America" bit is said in contrast to Hollywood, where Webb is. While the "macaca" bit might be questionable, the "welcome to America" bit has definitely been taken out of context.

For your reference, here are some racist quotes from "liberals", most of them affiliated with the Democratic Party. And, just a couple weeks ago the prez of the California Senate, Don Perata, refered to "crackers".

Oddly enough, those racist Democrats are still proud members of the Democratic Party, and the Don Perata flap came and went with a whimper. I guess the rules are different when you have the moral authority.

-- Headline Generator

Posted by: TLB on August 16, 2006 at 12:03 AM | PERMALINK

Mark Levin is quite possibly as dumb as he looks. Even Chris Matthews said that this has been going on forever, and he hasn't been involved in a campaign since the seventies. The digital recorder is the only thing new about this story. Allen is a mean-spirited racist. The sad thing is, while this might hurt him nationally, how much will it hurt among the Republicans of Virginia?

Posted by: Jim on August 16, 2006 at 12:07 AM | PERMALINK

A couple of weeks ago aol released a mass of its users' search data. This website allows you to look at the searches of aol members pulled out at random.


http://dontdelete.com/default.asp


Absolutely hilarious!

http://dontdelete.com/randusersearch.asp?Submit=Submit

Posted by: cld on August 16, 2006 at 12:16 AM | PERMALINK

TLB:

Thanks for the talking points.

The difference is between a slur expressed at the dominant group and a slur expressed at a minority.

White people (or Christians, for that matter) having trouble grasping that distinction is a sign that something a little uglier is going on beneath the surface.

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 12:20 AM | PERMALINK

"Allen's remarks are a non issue... let's move on"

You'd really really like that, wouldn't you?

Posted by: plunge on August 16, 2006 at 12:20 AM | PERMALINK

plunge:

I think we should talk about Jay Jerome's Betty Boop tattoo, instead :)

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 12:23 AM | PERMALINK

Al: Sidharth doesn't have a mohawk, you snickering imbecile. But can you, while taking orders from whoever is currently dishing them out, take a joke about your lack of testicles? * snicker *

Posted by: Kenji on August 16, 2006 at 12:54 AM | PERMALINK

Conservative Deflator wrote:

"White, elitist snobs like Allen or, well, the Bush family call multi-racial children little brown ones and see no problem with it."
_______________

Oh, please. A grandfather can't refer to his grandkids' skin color? Why not? Is he supposed to pretend they aren't brown? Are we to infer that he doesn't love them? That he thinks less of them? Or that he doesn't shy away from the fact that his family doesn't mind intermarriage?

Posted by: Trashhauler on August 16, 2006 at 1:08 AM | PERMALINK

The difference is between a slur expressed at the dominant group and a slur expressed at a minority.

Ah, the standard liberal contortion: "People of Color can't be racist because racism implies power and they have no power. So, People of Color can be as racist as they want to be but they aren't being racist no matter how racist they are because they have no power. And, because they don't own the means of production."

So, when the Chairman of the California Democratic Party makes a highly racist statement, it isn't a racist statement because despite being the Chairman of the California Democratic Party he still has no power and anyway it's just against white people.

For those who'd like to learn more, here's an article about what today is called liberalism.

Posted by: TLB on August 16, 2006 at 1:27 AM | PERMALINK

Actually, I think it's fair to say that Sidharth did, at least at one time, have what could be called a mohawk. I just can't see how "MOH HAWK" could ever end up as "MAH KAH KAH." There's no way to mumble out one and get the other, especially not to do it TWICE.

Posted by: plunge on August 16, 2006 at 1:30 AM | PERMALINK

TLB:

Where on that list is anyone nearly as prominent as George Allen? From what I can gather it's comprised mainly of activists. Although it was a nice touch to see the quote about "fighting for our race" by none other than the President's nephew. Ummm yeah that would be Jeb's son there.

Way to make your point jackass.

Posted by: DwightKSchrute on August 16, 2006 at 1:31 AM | PERMALINK

Trashhauler:

Oh please ... "little brown ones?" Might be an appropriate description for the turds you leave in a toilet -- but with all the possible attributes that one's grandchildren have ("How's my little brainy one? How's my beautiful little granddaughter?" -- etc. etc.), why choose *that* one? Surely Noelle and George P. Bush are more than their skin color ...

Don't try to tells us that GHWB was only pulling a Bullworth here :) I don't think he's a conscious racist at all -- just kind of goofily clueless, is all. You know, like wondering at the gosh-darn remarkable technology of supermarket scanners.

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 1:34 AM | PERMALINK

TLB:

Nice rationalization there, cracker :)

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 1:36 AM | PERMALINK

TLB:

Pity the poor, oppressed middle-aged white male Christian heterosexual.

ROTFL !

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 1:40 AM | PERMALINK

Pity the poor, oppressed middle-aged white male Christian heterosexual.

No, I think TLB owns the means of production for that particular product - he makes more than enough pity for himself.

Posted by: floopmeister on August 16, 2006 at 1:44 AM | PERMALINK

Ah, the standard conservative contortion:

Conservatives can't be racist because racism implies power and they have no power, because it's all been taken by the liberal elite. All these liberal minority groups are somehow elitist and against the mainstream values of society, and yet they somehow are still running everything and oppressing the Conservatives. So, Conservatives can be as racist as they want to be but they aren't being racist no matter how racist they are because they have no power, as they are the oppressed minority under liberal overlordship. Yet at the same time they are the majority and therefore worthy of wielding power (it's their birthright as the traditional mainstream of the country) and they will inevitably take back the power that is rightfully theirs through a national rebirth/regeneration even though they are being turned into a minority in their own country by the unfair advantage of worthless minority groups who are, at the same time, the powerful oppressors of the mainstream majority.

Conservatives, of course, as the true believers of capitalism, own the means of production even though it is all in the hands of liberal coastal elites who are all socialists anyway, although they have this overwhelming influence in the media and business due to their power and wealth...

Ow. Channelling that shit makes my brain hurt.

The contradictions! The contradictions!

Posted by: floopmeister on August 16, 2006 at 1:59 AM | PERMALINK

floop:

That really made me chuckle out loud, bro.

They're sooooo oppressed, those poor benighted little white-person capitalists ... so ... *enchained* ... to the iron dogmas of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS that they can only TELL THE REAL TRUTH behind closed doors over bourbon 'n' cards in their all-white country clubs :)

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 2:05 AM | PERMALINK

Bob,

Our previous PM Paul Keating had a famous comment about an political opponent that also applies beautifully to the whole "The South will Rise Again!" Oppressed Good Ol'Boys like Allen:

The souffle only ever rises once.

Posted by: floopmeister on August 16, 2006 at 2:17 AM | PERMALINK

Bob wrote:

"Don't try to tells us that GHWB was only pulling a Bullworth here :) I don't think he's a conscious racist at all -- just kind of goofily clueless, is all. You know, like wondering at the gosh-darn remarkable technology of supermarket scanners."
______________

I don't know, Bob. Maybe if I were pointing them out to someone, a physical characteristic beyond how pretty they are might seem okay. Especially if I loved them and was proud of them.

I guess I just get overwhelmed from time to time from the constant barrage of one upsmanship in which succeeding posters each try to best the last in denigrating whoever they don't like, Left or Right, no matter how nasty and mean it gets.

I was pretty much of a prick for most of my life and at one time there wasn't anybody I wouldn't trash, just for the hell of it. I reached middle age before I realized that I was really trashing myself. Now I'm just a recovering prick and I think it's pretty fucking childish. Sometimes I think the Wiccan belief in triple psychic payback must eventually come into play.

Posted by: Trashhauler on August 16, 2006 at 2:19 AM | PERMALINK

Watch the video! Sen. Allen's comments were unbelievable. Reminded me of being a "Jungle Bunny" in third grade.

In any case, I made up some funny t-shirts and other stuff to celebrate the end of Allen's campaign. Thought you might want to check it out.

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Posted by: dd on August 16, 2006 at 3:21 AM | PERMALINK

trashhauler:

> I don't know, Bob. Maybe if I were pointing them out to someone,
> a physical characteristic beyond how pretty they are might seem
> okay. Especially if I loved them and was proud of them.

Oh sure. "The little brown ones" is certainly not the most egregious
racial comment ever to crawl off a politician's lips. And I think it
was entirely well-meant, an expression of genuine affection. I don't
think that racism in the heart applies at all to the Bush family.

In fact, GWB's instincts on immigration are entirely moral, even if
there are aspects of a guest worker program I seriously question.

But I remember that comment in the '92 election. And what stuck
out about it was how utterly ... tone deaf it was. I *know* what
GHWB actually meant by it: in truth, he was bragging about how
racially tolerant his family is. Here they were, these old-line
New England WASPs and his son goes and marries a Mexican! Okay
granted, Columbia's from a rather aristocratic family -- but still!

Now the problem with this is the same problem with the checkout
scanner. All it showed is how unutterably out of touch he is. This
isn't the 50s anyore. Inter-ethnic marriages are hardly daring or
particularly uncommon -- unless you're some incredibly blueblooded
ancient WASP who spent their entire life socializing exclusively
with white people. Then it's -- woah -- something to brag about!

> I guess I just get overwhelmed from time to time from the
> constant barrage of one upsmanship in which succeeding posters
> each try to best the last in denigrating whoever they don't
> like, Left or Right, no matter how nasty and mean it gets.

Sure; I feel your pain. I have a completely conflicted, horribly
ambivalent relationship with snark. On the one hand, I enjoy a
good troll-thwacking as much as anybody. On the other, I begin to
lose patience with a surfeit of self-righteousness and ad hominem
even if I agree with the attackers on the merits of the issue,
and prefer the kind of discussions that we have, even though I'm
far more to the left than you are on foreign policy. In fact, I
appreciate very much the fact that you offer your insight from
the military without a hint of the usual triumphalist boilerplate.

> I was pretty much of a prick for most of my life and at one
> time there wasn't anybody I wouldn't trash, just for the hell
> of it. I reached middle age before I realized that I was really
> trashing myself. Now I'm just a recovering prick and I think
> it's pretty fucking childish. Sometimes I think the Wiccan
> belief in triple psychic payback must eventually come into play.

Well, a comment like shows an admirable degree of self-insight,
and it's quite appreciated I'm sure by the whole community here.
Many of us never reach the level of appreciating how we come
across to other people. And whether it's personal relationships
or political communication -- it is an indispensible attribute.

Welcome aboard this blog, trashhauler. I hope you stick around.

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 3:26 AM | PERMALINK

"美洲国际机票/上海国际机票 - 上海尚游旅行社有限公司"

Oh yeah? Well SAME TO YOU!!!!

Posted by: plunge on August 16, 2006 at 3:29 AM | PERMALINK

that this half wit george allen won't be ostracized for his obvious racism tells you what you need to know about virginians.

Posted by: chris from boca on August 16, 2006 at 6:51 AM | PERMALINK

Plunge said: "Actually, I think it's fair to say that Sidharth did, at least at one time, have what could be called a mohawk."

How is it fair to say this? On what is this statement based? There's a picture of the kid on the W. Post's website. He has a full head of hair--no mohawk, nothing that could be construed as a mohawk. It's a picture of him at Webb headquarters taken by a Post photographer. Stop spreading disinformation.

Posted by: Lpaul on August 16, 2006 at 8:09 AM | PERMALINK

(Btw, since when is "Bush is a chimp" a racist slur?)

Well, it is to the chimps.


Posted by: tomeck on August 16, 2006 at 8:37 AM | PERMALINK

How is that a "dirty trick?" The guy is standing right there, in plain view, with a video camera. And Felix calls him a monkey, right into the camera.

Posted by: ersatz on August 16, 2006 at 9:38 AM | PERMALINK

I think that people need to put some pressure on editor-in-chief Ramesh Ponnuru to come down hard on Allen and to apply pressure on the Republican party to withdraw all support from him. This really is one of those make or break moments for Ponnuru -- he can smack around Allen's enablers, including Levin and O'Beirne, for their idiocy or he can turn a blind eye to obvious anti-Indian racism.
http://www.hoopz.name/
My bet's that he does nothing, even if Allen wins the Presidential nomination in 2008. I'd love to be proven wrong.

Posted by: Madison adams on August 16, 2006 at 9:39 AM | PERMALINK

With apologies to Harry S Truman:

Webb doesn't play dirty tricks, he just tells the truth and it feels like a dirty trick to George Allen.

If George Allen would stop acting like a racist and appealing to bigots, people wouldn't have to call him on it.

Posted by: freelunch on August 16, 2006 at 9:42 AM | PERMALINK

Conservatives can't be racist because racism implies power and they have no power, because it's all been taken by the liberal elite. All these liberal minority groups are somehow elitist and against the mainstream values of society, and yet they somehow are still running everything and oppressing the Conservatives. So, Conservatives can be as racist as they want to be but they aren't being racist no matter how racist they are because they have no power, as they are the oppressed minority under liberal overlordship. Yet at the same time they are the majority and therefore worthy of wielding power (it's their birthright as the traditional mainstream of the country) and they will inevitably take back the power that is rightfully theirs through a national rebirth/regeneration even though they are being turned into a minority in their own country by the unfair advantage of worthless minority groups who are, at the same time, the powerful oppressors of the mainstream majority.

Conservatives, of course, as the true believers of capitalism, own the means of production even though it is all in the hands of liberal coastal elites who are all socialists anyway, although they have this overwhelming influence in the media and business due to their power and wealth...

That was perfect. Simply perfect.

Posted by: Stefan on August 16, 2006 at 9:43 AM | PERMALINK

Don't racial epithets reveal important things about the character of a man? And I thought character was everything to all these sanctimonious types. For them, IOKIYAR.

The guy can't even muster an apology for it either. Insensitive AND unrepentant.

Posted by: Irony Man on August 16, 2006 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

Allen is, if you can believe it, an even bigger moron than Bush and a crummier human being. As opposed to Bush, who is the drunken frat boy, Allen is the doofus football player who thinks he can still physically intimidate anyone who opposes him. But he doesn't realize that most of us(excluding the GOP base) have moved beyond the high school mentality and such intimidation tactics.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him nominated.

Posted by: haha on August 16, 2006 at 10:42 AM | PERMALINK

Wow, the hysteria from the Righties today is really over the top!

It's tough when your party is as full of David Dukes as the GOP is.

Posted by: Advocate for God on August 16, 2006 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK

It makes me feel like a God when I rent a little dark-skinned 14-year-old native girl, and for 24 hours I can make her do anything I want. Fellas, it's great to be a rich Republican!

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh on August 16, 2006 at 10:47 AM | PERMALINK

What I didn't know until today is that George Allen's mother was French, raised in Tunisia. (Imagine the torment that the wingnuts must endure knowing that). "Macaque" was a well-known slur among the French settlers in North Africa for Arabs, and so there's no way for Allen, who speaks fluent French (another blow to the heart!) and whose mother grew up in that milieu, not to know that -- it's simply incredible. It would be as if someone with, say, an English mother claimed not to know that "Paddy" was a derogatory term the English used for the Irish.

Posted by: Stefan on August 16, 2006 at 10:50 AM | PERMALINK

Allen is a California French phoney pretending to be a good old boy.
Vote for a real Virginian, Vote Webb.

Posted by: Northern Observer on August 16, 2006 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

GOP: Anyone remember Democrat congressman Pete Stark calling Republican congressman Scott McInnis a "little fruitcake" and a "little wimp?"

Well, is he?

BTW, since the GOP doesn't recognize gays as a protected class (assuming that is your allusion), then such comments cannot be discriminatory. OTH, both sides of the aisle agree that blacks, hispanics, women, and others do fall within protected classes.

Crowbar that into your cranium, Don.

Posted by: Advocate for God on August 16, 2006 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

www.dictionary.com

fruitcake
1. A heavy spiced cake containing nuts and candied or dried fruits.
2. Slang. A crazy or an eccentric person: a fruitcake under the delusion that he was Saint Nicholas (John Strahinich).
n 1: a whimsically eccentric person [syn: crackpot, crank, nut, nut case, nutcase, screwball] 2: a rich cake containing dried fruit and nuts and citrus peel and so on

Main Entry: Macaca
Function: noun
: a genus of Old World monkeys including the rhesus monkey (M. mulatta) and other macaques

Thanks for playing, Republican!

Posted by: lol on August 16, 2006 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK

Hey, let's not get all value judgment-y. Let's just all agree that an up-and-coming GOP presidential candidate racially slurred a non-white at a public rally, and go on from there. Let the voters decide if they want a racist priviliged white manchild as president. It wouldn't be the first time.

Posted by: Daddy Love on August 16, 2006 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

I agree with mhr! That macaca Sharpton has a lot of explaining to do!

Posted by: rhm on August 16, 2006 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

MHR, I agree with you. Liberals should spend every day condemning Sharpton for events that happened 19 years ago, and it gives them no right to condemn politicos for current acts of odiousness until they do!

Posted by: lol on August 16, 2006 at 12:09 PM | PERMALINK

Advocate,

Well, is he?

I don't know, is he? Is Barney Frank what Dick Armey called him?

BTW, since the GOP doesn't recognize gays as a protected class (assuming that is your allusion), then such comments cannot be discriminatory.

This claim is completely illogical.

Posted by: GOP on August 16, 2006 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

he's toast.

Posted by: christAlmighty on August 16, 2006 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

The entire crew at The Corner is coming unhinged, although Levin is a particularly egregious example of fecal matter gone bad. K-Lo has a blurb stating that Jimmy Carter is "wishing Castro well" yet when you read the interview he does nothing of the sort. J-Pod says that Andrew Sullivan is hysterically hoping that the recent terror plot was overblown, yet Sullivan is just raising reasonable skepticism. Byron York suggests Jim Webb's feelings about the Confederacy are comparable to George "Macaca" Allen's, without pointing out that Webb actually has ancestors who fought and dies for the Confederacy while Allen is just so So Cal interloper who just seems enamored for unknown reasons. Truly a disgusting group of intellectually challenged misfits.

Posted by: Jim on August 16, 2006 at 12:43 PM | PERMALINK

And Ramesh Ponnunu will doubtless go the Dinesh D'Souza route.

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 1:01 PM | PERMALINK

mhr:

I have no problem condemning the Reverend Al Sharpton for what he did nearly two decades ago.

I certainly did it at the time.

Your point?

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 1:03 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, unless every single Democrat publicly condemns the Al Sharptons of the world--and count me among those who have--they have no moral right to take issue with any disgusting racist remark made by a Republican. Yup, that's logical!!

When, exactly, do Democrats get to apply the same standard and demand repudiation of David Dukes, Pat Robertson, etc.?

Posted by: sullijan on August 16, 2006 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry, I meant David Duke, not Dukes. Although the Republican party, now I think of it, is pretty much full of David Duke(s).

Posted by: sullijan on August 16, 2006 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, unless every single Democrat publicly condemns the Al Sharptons of the world--and count me among those who have

Yes, of course you have. The chorus of Democrats condemning their own here is deafening.

Of course, it's all Bush's fault.

Posted by: GOP on August 16, 2006 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, is it also Bush's fault that my pretty straightforward point flew right over your head?!?

The only chorus on here that seems deafening is the agreement that people like GOP simply do not get it. Period. Hard to believe anyone could be defending Bush, Allen and this whole crowd after five years, but apparently the supply of Kool-Aid is self-replenishing.

Posted by: sullijan on August 16, 2006 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINK

GOP: I hereby criticize every single Democrat throughout history who has committed an odious deed.

Do I have permission to talk ON TOPIC about George Allen now?

Posted by: lol on August 16, 2006 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, is it also Bush's fault that my pretty straightforward point flew right over your head?!?

No, it's Bush's fault that you falsely believe that your pretty straightforward point flew right over my head. Everything is Bush's fault. Didn't you know?

The only chorus on here that seems deafening is the agreement that people like GOP simply do not get it.

No, the only chorus here is various permutations of "Republicans suck," as if repeating this incantation over and over again will somehow make it true.

Posted by: GOP on August 16, 2006 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK

The remarks made by Senator George Allen have all the makings of a Dick Wadhams campaign. Wadhams cut his political teeth in Colorado and has been seen as the person behind the rise of Senator Wayne Allard, a Colorado veterinarian. Wadhams went on to orchestrate the campaign against Tom Daschle in South Dakota and is now leading Allen's reelection effort.

Dick Wadhams is a man many have called Karl Rove's protg. During Wadhams work in Colorado for Senator Wayne Allard's 2002 reelection, he gave one of the most acerbic victory speeches I have ever witnessed. While gloating at the defeat of Ted Strickland, his comments were vile and hateful. The man is Karl Rove absent a scintilla of decorum and decency...if you can imagine that! It appears that George Allen believes that two bullies are better than one.

Read full article here:

www.thoughttheater.com

Posted by: Daniel DiRito on August 16, 2006 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK

Senator Allen used the word 'macaca' because it is a cognate for macaque and a cognate for solid human waste. In other words, he called someone a shitty monkey using only one word. Bush could not do that!

Posted by: Hostile on August 16, 2006 at 1:43 PM | PERMALINK

GOP: I hereby criticize every single Democrat throughout history who has committed an odious deed.

Now we're getting somewhere. Name the dozen or so you consider the worst.

Posted by: GOP on August 16, 2006 at 1:43 PM | PERMALINK

So, GOP claims I am applying a double-standard, and then he procedes to supply an example which supports my point?

Sounds like GOP needs to ask for his nurse to up his meds.

Posted by: Disputo on August 16, 2006 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

GOP: Start your own thread on your own blog and I will. Until then, stay on topic you macaca.

Posted by: lol on August 16, 2006 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

GOP:

All Republicans don't "suck."

It's actually gravity :)

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

I want to talk about Democrats! Stop talking about George Allen! (stamps little foot.) Stop it now!

Posted by: GOOP on August 16, 2006 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

GOP is a cracka macaca doin' the macarena :)

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

I think this is Lesson 2: Thread Disruption in the troll manual.

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

GOP is simply a paid partisan hack whose sole purpose is to define GOP=good and Dem=bad and for whom it is incomprehnsable that other people may actually judge people not based on their party affiliation, but by their actual behavior.

Posted by: Disputo on August 16, 2006 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

Disputo,

So, GOP claims I am applying a double-standard, and then he procedes to supply an example which supports my point?

No, GOP claims you are applying a double standard, and then illustrates that claim with an example.

Posted by: GOP on August 16, 2006 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

Disputo:

I've always wondered about that "paid partisan hack" stuff.

If I were a smart GOP consultant disbursing money to operatives -- I think I'd want a much stronger return on my investment :)

I think "dumb retired guy with too much time on his hands" satisfies Occam's Razor a tad more neatly.

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

I want to talk about Republicans who say bad things! And only Republicans who say bad things! I want to ignore all the Democrats who say bad things! Because they don't count! It only matters when Republicans say bad things, not when Democrats say them!

Posted by: Double Standard Democrat on August 16, 2006 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

Go back and hide under your bed in fear of those who shit in caves, GOoPers!! Make sure ya got plenty of Duct Tape, too.

The rest of us brave and patiotic Americans will be here working to fight terrorism at its root causes, rather than plotting to attack countries with no connection to Qaeda (Iraq), which has only served to create more sympathizers for the cave-shitters.

Posted by: John in Chicago on August 16, 2006 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

Chappaquiddick! Chappaquiddick!!

Posted by: Typical Standard Republican on August 16, 2006 at 1:57 PM | PERMALINK

Um, gotta say, GOP, I know what my point was and from your response, it clearly flew over your head. Of course, judging from the quality of your responses, underbed dust bunnies would fly over your head.

While we're on the topic of "the worst," let me phrase it in second-grade language you may actually understand: you go first!

Name 12 GOP bigots! (Don't feel compelled to limit yourself to 12, however... God knows that no informed person could!!) I'll get you started: Trent "things were so much better under segregation" Lott; Barbara "these poor folks in New Orleans never had it so good" Bush and her sidekick Tom "admit it, you people are having fun in the Astrodome!!" DeLay, George "hakuna macaca" Allen, Bill "aborting every black baby in the country would reduce the crime rate" Bennett, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Dick "Barney fag" Armey, Rick "man on dog" Santorum, Mel "Jews are warmongers, women are sugart#ts" Gibson, ...

Just to spare you the mental gymnastics of counting, I've already spotted you 10. So you have just two to name...

Posted by: sullijan on August 16, 2006 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

Clinton !!! Clinton !!!

Posted by: Me-too Typical Standard Republican on August 16, 2006 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK

No, no, George Allen thought the kid was Scottish, see, and that's why he was calling him "MacCacker"....

Posted by: Stefan on August 16, 2006 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

Why is everyone always picking on Republicans for being bigots? I thought the Dems were tolerant of everyone, even ignorant bedweters like ourselves!

This just isnt fair. I am now going to have to resort to the great GOP weapon: Changing the Subject (c)

Allen may be a bigot, but hey, didnt Kennedy get in a car accident 30 years ago? Why arent you talking about THAT?!?!?

Posted by: GoOPer on August 16, 2006 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

Just as long as everyone's not talking about George Allen, I'm happy. ;) Whew that was close.

Posted by: GOOP on August 16, 2006 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

Shorter mhr: Look over there, Al Sharpton did something bad 19 years ago!

Al Sharpton?

Pathetic. LOL.

Posted by: ckelly on August 16, 2006 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

Help! Help! I'm being repressed! I can't make racist slurs without being called on it! What about my freedom of speech to be a racist!

Posted by: Typical Whining Victim Mentality Republican on August 16, 2006 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

GOP barfs:

No, GOP claims you are applying a double standard, and then illustrates that claim with an example.

There is no double standard, dumbass. You are projecting your own partisan obsessions onto me.

Posted by: Disputo on August 16, 2006 at 2:11 PM | PERMALINK

Hetrosexual Christian white males are just as entitled to special rights as those who push the secular humanist gay agenda!

In fact, *we* had special rights first! We can't let them be taken away by feminazis and poverty pimps! Dr. King woudn't approve! He wanted us all to be judged by the content of our character!

Hey waitaminute ... my character positively *sucks*.

Oh well.

Posted by: Bogus "Colorblind Society" Republican on August 16, 2006 at 2:11 PM | PERMALINK

No, the only chorus here is various permutations of "Republicans suck," as if repeating this incantation over and over again will somehow make it true.

Nah GOP - you manage to make it true without incantations.

Posted by: ckelly on August 16, 2006 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

Me retired? Fuck that noise. I'm unemployable. I sleep till noon, post obsessively here all afternoon and night, then do it all over again the next day. I haven't had a shower in two weeks, a solid meal in a month or a sex partner in ten years.

Posted by: GOOP on August 16, 2006 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Jesus Lawd, what a thoroughly *satisfying* troll-spanking that was.

I think I need to like, smoke a cigarette and think about food :)

Bob

Posted by: rmck1 on August 16, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

That George Allen what a macaroon!

Posted by: Kenji on August 16, 2006 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

Meant to put this in last night, but somehow didn't.

This is the actual page I got when I tried the random selection on the aol users' search data.


http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5254/randomusersearchjd4.png

Posted by: cld on August 16, 2006 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

Funnier if it's around midnight.

Posted by: cld on August 16, 2006 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

GOP: No, GOP claims you are applying a double standard, and then illustrates that claim with an example.

LOL.

Posted by: Advocate for God on August 16, 2006 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

George Allen is such a turd his sister wrote a book about him,


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/16/gop-senator-george-allen_n_27382.html


Ever since my brother George held me over the railing at Niagara Falls, Ive had a fear of heights.

Posted by: cld on August 16, 2006 at 4:16 PM | PERMALINK

You Democrats are always making fun of fake Southerners who speak French, make barely coded racist remarks, and dangle their sisters over the railing at Niagara Falls. Cut it out!

Posted by: Kenji on August 16, 2006 at 10:37 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, the guy who posted his link to Macaca shirts above is a thief. He stole my idea from day one, and his designs are pretty racist. Now anybody can come up with their own idea for shirts, but this son of a bitch is stealing ideas directly from me.

The REAL Macaca shop is at http://cafepress.com/macaca

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