August 25, 2006
EPISTOLARY DIPLOMACY. Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad writes more letters:
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told German Chancellor Angela Merkel that their countries had been subjected to tyranny from World War II victors and that they should cooperate to end the imposed world order. Ahmadinejad made the remarks in a letter to Merkel in July. A copy of it, the details of which were not made public at the time, was obtained from a diplomat who asked not to be identified. ...
"I have no intention of arguing about the Holocaust," Ahmadinejad wrote. "But some victorious countries of World War II intended to create an alibi on the basis of which they could continue keeping the defeated nations of World War II indebted to them," the English version of the letter says. ...
"Together we must end the present abnormalities in international relations, the type of order and relations that are based on the impositions of the victors of the World War II on the defeated nations," he wrote.
According to Reuters, "Merkel rejected the letter at the time as 'totally unacceptable to Germany' and said it did not deserve a reply."
—Laura Rozen 9:20 AM
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As I've said before, Iran is all sizzle and no steak, full of trash talkin' but unable to back up its words with force.
Posted by: Peter on August 25, 2006 at 9:41 AM | PERMALINK
Looks like Achmodinyjad needs a good back rub.
Posted by: W on August 25, 2006 at 9:45 AM | PERMALINK
The hun is either at your throat or at your feet and germany has been at the feet of the US for 60 years. Good to see Frau Merkel doing the bidding of American neo-cons. Germany groveling at it's finest.
Posted by: klyde on August 25, 2006 at 9:46 AM | PERMALINK
Good to see Frau Merkel doing the bidding of American neo-cons. Germany groveling at it's finest.
How so? Merkel rejected the letter as unworthy of a reply. What do you think she should have done instead?
Posted by: Peter on August 25, 2006 at 9:51 AM | PERMALINK
A well-placed snipers bullet through Ahmadinejads skull from say, 200 yards away, would save this world a lot of grief!
Posted by: A Hebrew Observer on August 25, 2006 at 9:55 AM | PERMALINK
He sounds pretty lucid if you ask me. America is in lockdown on this subject... a pretty big accomplishment for such a 'small, victimized, minority' - wouldn't you think?
Posted by: trevor on August 25, 2006 at 9:58 AM | PERMALINK
Thomas 1. There are those who would say, a well placed bullet in the head of Mr. Olmert would accomplish the same thing - and save the lives of thousands more.
Posted by: charles on August 25, 2006 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK
A well-placed snipers bullet through Ahmadinejads skull from say, 200 yards away, would save this world a lot of grief!
What evidence do you have that whomever succeeds Ahmadinejad as leader of Iran would be better?
Posted by: Doctor Jay on August 25, 2006 at 10:03 AM | PERMALINK
Demcorats in this threat are praising Iran's president.
Talk about demented morons.
Posted by: Frequency Kenneth on August 25, 2006 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK
Didn't Merkel aleady warn Iran not to dismiss the Holocaust?
Posted by: jkoch on August 25, 2006 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK
The Iranian mullahs had better be careful with Ahmadinejad. I have a feeling the mullahs have a lot more in common with cosmopolitan Saudi princes than they'd like people to believe...and Ahmadinejad serves the purpose of giving them street cred with the Muslim street. But a guy like Ahmadinejad will eventually bristle at the Mullah's lack of commitment to the cause. He may challenge them.
As a certain political party has learned at home, loud and proud winguts are great at stirring things up, but they aren't very understanding when you tell them you don't REALLY want to support their nutty platform. Ahmadinejad is the Iranian James Dobson. The mullahs had better be careful they don't turn into the Iranian version of Bill Frist...
Posted by: owenz on August 25, 2006 at 10:15 AM | PERMALINK
A well-placed snipers bullet through Ahmadinejads skull from say, 200 yards away, would save this world a lot of grief!
Yes. If it weren't for a few bad apples, the muslim world would certainly see the world from the American and Israeli perspective. With the possible exeception of comparing muslims to crap throwing monkeys, assasinating an elected muslim political leader is the best way build a strong and lasting relationship with the arab street.
Cluster bombs, JDAMs, and the boots of occupying solidiers are not something to be feared. Only if seen through Ahmadinejad's ash-grey shaded glasses. They are the birth pangs of freedom given gratiously by the world's premier democracies. They are to be greeted with ululations and gunshots -- well maybe not gunshots.
Posted by: political chipmunk on August 25, 2006 at 12:00 PM | PERMALINK
"How so? Merkel rejected the letter as unworthy of a reply. What do you think she should have done instead?"
Peter, I think Klyde was suggesting that Merkel 'leaked' the letter today, much to the appreciation of the Bush administration, I'm sure. In other words, the timing was a bit more than coincidental.
Posted by: nepeta on August 25, 2006 at 12:22 PM | PERMALINK
There are good people who believe that Israel is a terrorist nation, and that Jack Abramoff is the equivalent of the outlawed Muslim charities.
The difference - is that American Jews have too much influence on the conversation. Too much media disclosure without ethnocentric identification.
Posted by: charles on August 25, 2006 at 12:27 PM | PERMALINK
"sacrifice half of Iran for the sake of eliminating Israel," ... told The Jerusalem Post on Thursday. "
Hmmm... That's cute. JPost quoting an Israeli operative presented as being some sort of factual information.
However, the converse of the above is a well proven fact, the US and Israel are quite willing to sacrifice half the population of OTHER countries for their own benefit.
I loved Madeline Albrights quote (as secretary of state) to the effect that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children [via starvation] were 'worth it' to achieve the US policy objective of removing Saddam Hussein from power. Pretty cute too.
BTW: That's a war crime.
"...religious conviction that Israel's demise is essential to the restoration of Muslim glory,"
Again, this is really too funny as the Israeli policy is based on a religous conviction that they should be entitled to restoration of their 'biblical' empire, destruction of the dome of the rock, and rebuilding of the 'Third Temple'.
This conviction is shared by the christian right as a prerequisite for the apocaplyse, ultimate destruction of the Jews and ascention to heaven. Comical eh? Unfortunately, that bright flash in the sky won't be heaven opening, but a 20 megaton nuclear warhead detonating overhead.
The 30% of the human population that doesn't carry the defective 'god gene' [i.e. the more rational, sentinent humans] need to find a place to survive. It's gonna be tough to do with all the radioactive fallout.
New Zealand anyone?
Posted by: Buford on August 25, 2006 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK
political chimpmunk -- Thank you for your sane observations. When Israeli apologists speak of 'muslim terror' I am always reminded that America is a nation under occupation.
Sobibor West - with a Jew in every watchtower.
Posted by: tj on August 25, 2006 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK
the la times is part of the lockdown. Jews need to identify their bias on all things Middle Eastern.
That means Jewish newspapers, magazines, TV news channels. Our country is being run by a minority with ties to Israel. If we had an honest reckoning, they would all be tried for treason.
Posted by: trevor on August 25, 2006 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK
"The difference - is that American Jews have too much influence on the conversation"
I disagree. The problem is that not enough American Jews have influence. Most of them are quite intelligent and sane and tolerant and have mixed feelings about Israel.
Unfortunately, only the crazy ones get to voice their opinions.
Kind of like the rest of American politics.
And the right wings plants trying to fill the comment section with anti-semitism are getting old. No one's buying it guys. Real liberals might criticize Israelis. Not Jews in general.
Posted by: Mysticdog on August 25, 2006 at 12:59 PM | PERMALINK
"These 2 girl bloggers know nothing other than what is spoon-fed to them in the mainstream media."
Ah, and condescending sexism to boot! Thanks for your contributions, Thomas1.
Posted by: DJ Ninja on August 25, 2006 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK
Hey, we have a retarded psycho as our president, why shouldn't the Iranians have the same "privilege"?
Posted by: Steve LaBonne on August 25, 2006 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK
A well-placed snipers bullet through Ahmadinejads skull from say, 200 yards away, would save this world a lot of grief!
A Hebrew Observer is just as dangerously bigotted and hateful as slim, who, I might add, did not advocate political assassination as far as I know.
Political assassinaton rarely works because single men/women are rarely the ony representative of a policy. If an israeli leader was assassinated it would not change Israel's policy of territorial seizure or treating Palestinians like Warsaw Ghetto Jews.
Posted by: Hostile on August 25, 2006 at 1:41 PM | PERMALINK
Ah yes, the answer to all our troubles (paraphrased):
"A well-placed snipers bullet through FILL IN YOUR HATED ENEMY'S NAME HERE skull from say, 200 yards away, would save this world a lot of grief!"
Posted by: A Hebrew Observer on A
riiiiight
Posted by: marblex on August 25, 2006 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK
Charles wrote: "There are good people who believe that Israel is a terrorist nation."
No, those are not good people. Some of them may be ignorant or misguided, but the rest are simply evil, bad people.
Posted by: DBL on August 25, 2006 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK
Its only terrorism if people we label "terrorists" do it.
And all people who think Israel are barbarians who are dishing it out to the Palestinians are evil.
Because to criticize Israel is evil.
In fact, to even question anything Israel ever does, even if it looks like bad stuff other people did, is evil.
Y'know... I am GODDAMN sick and tired of living in Dumbfuckistan. I want my fucking country back. You idiots who think Israel can do no wrong....GO FUCKING LIVE THERE and ROT
Posted by: marblex on August 25, 2006 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK
The most obvious nation which uses political assassination as a startegic policy is Israel.
Posted by: Hostile on August 25, 2006 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK
Hmmmmmm
"We have enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another." - Jonathan Swift
Posted by: daCascadian on August 25, 2006 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK
For no particular reason, I decided to see what sort of comments were generated by this post, a rare peek at the comments on Kevin Drum's blog... Phew! Does no one moderate these vile statements? Is this thread typical of "progressive" opinion? I think I need a shower!
Posted by: Chris on August 25, 2006 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK
Look, someone needs to offer to take the Iranian President through th sights and sounds of the world. Show him the sites of the holocaust, introduce him to how Muslims were no better off than Jews, possible a tour through Bosnia as well how racial strife is not something we want to repeat.
Because other than that - he's got a point; his country was on the wrong side, but it wasn't Iran than. And Economics and selfish governments (including the Shah's) have kept the advances and benefits from the people.
And the only way to bring about changes with working with the community of nations, not against.
Maybe if someone could convince him that if he stopped feeding the trolls (Bush, et al) they'd become less of a bother.
Posted by: Crissa on August 25, 2006 at 6:29 PM | PERMALINK
Chris, some of us prefer unmoderated comments. It is more like the real world that way, which is full of slms (a Holocaust denier, who I suspect has been banned), A Hebrew Observers, Ahmadinejads, and Bushes. Moderators prevent you from being informed about real world attitudes.
Posted by: Hostile on August 25, 2006 at 7:30 PM | PERMALINK
Chris--
No, this is not typical of the comments here. Usually they're full of standard lefty shibboleths like "Chimpy" or "Rethugs" and wails about how America is sliding towards fascism, along with a decent number of thoughtful, lucid arguments (although no Republicans need apply), and the standard mindless Bush apologists. Pretty mainstream stuff, in other words, and usually about a quarter of it is actually intelligent and worth reading.
This thread is some seriously freaky shit, though. The neo-Nazi troll who was spamming the site recently seems to have gone away, but others seem to have sprung up in his place - although these ones aren't as repetitive.
Posted by: Nat on August 25, 2006 at 9:32 PM | PERMALINK
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the Iranian equivalent of the Queen of England. He doesn't really control anything. Why pay attention?
Posted by: bakho on August 25, 2006 at 11:52 PM | PERMALINK
I believe Israel and treasonous American Jews have hijacked my country and the media.
I am NOT a nazi.
And I am sick of being told that JEWS can do no wrong... if that were the case... they wouldnt' have spent the last few centuries running for their lives from pissed off host countries.
Posted by: trevor on August 25, 2006 at 11:53 PM | PERMALINK
Trevor said "I am NOT a nazi."
Yeah, I can see that. You just have a little problem with JEWS.
Posted by: Spectral on August 26, 2006 at 1:37 AM | PERMALINK