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September 8, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

IS THE WELL FINALLY DRY?....So how is Karl Rove's "Democrats are appeasers" campaign offensive going? Not so well: JAG lawyers don't like George Bush's new rules for military tribunals, Democrats are insisting that his wiretapping plans actually be fully debated, and Republicans aren't too happy about his endorsement of torture as long as only the CIA does it. Steve Benen has the roundup.

And while you're over there, Steve also rounds up the commentary on Osama bin Laden's peculiar preference for helping out Bush and Rove by releasing scary videotapes right around election time. You'd almost think he likes having these guys in power, wouldn't you?

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One only hopes so. and it's about damn time, I might add.

BTW, Steve Clemons seems to think that (knock wood) the Bolton nomination is dead in the water.

Posted by: Gregory on September 8, 2006 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

regardless of binLaden's motive for releasing it when he did, or the mental capacity of those who watch it, his video did seem to help Bush last around. what has changed that his latest won't help Bush this time ?

Posted by: cleek on September 8, 2006 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

It is really funny that the "trap" Rove set for the Democrats has been "sprung" by the nation's top JAG officers and Republican senators with prosecutorial experience. I guess they didn't get Karl's memo, or maybe they have decided to hell with Karl and George, we are Americans and we want to do this right.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 8, 2006 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK

I don't know. Can't say the well is completely dry as long as Democrats wet themselves at the idea that someone's going to look at their part in failing to prevent 9/11. Broadcast licenses?

Posted by: ron on September 8, 2006 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK

"Not so well: JAG lawyers don't like George Bush's new rules for military tribunals, Democrats are insisting that his wiretapping plans actually be fully debated, and Republicans aren't too happy about his endorsement of torture as long as only the CIA does it."

But as long as the conversation stays on these topics Bush & the Republicans end up looking like the staunch defenders of America against multiple interests that cant stomach war.
Rove = Genius

"Steve also rounds up the commentary on Osama bin Laden's peculiar preference for helping out Bush and Rove by releasing scary videotapes right around election time. You'd almost think he likes having these guys in power, wouldn't you?"

Weird paranoid nut jobs you left-wingers you.
Are Osama & Bush putting fluoride in our water also?

Posted by: Fitz on September 8, 2006 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK

Dear President Bush:

At what undisclosed location do you keep Osama Bin Laden and his tapes between elections?

Posted by: J. Q. Public on September 8, 2006 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think Osama and George are in cahoots. I do think they need each other to maintain their positions with their respective constituencies.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 8, 2006 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

Breaking news: The White House is giving ABC a face saving way out of their dilemma. The Administration has asked the networks for time on September 11 at 9pm Eastern. This is right at the time ABC was going to show the 9/11 show.

This gives them a potentially face-saving way out.

Posted by: VOR on September 8, 2006 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK

Osama hearts Bush, how 'bout you?
America's Least Wanted

Posted by: budpaul on September 8, 2006 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

Weird paranoid nut jobs you left-wingers you.
Are Osama & Bush putting fluoride in our water also?


Posted by: Fitz on September 8, 2006 at 1:11 PM | PERMALINK


Are the CIA paranoid nut jobs? Because they concluded bin Laden was hoping for a Bush victory in 2004, which he aided by producing a video that used Michael Moore talking points just before the election, which no doubt hurt Kerry.

This allowed the GOP to say that bin Laden wanted a Democratic victory, when in fact it was the opposite.

Do you really think Arabs are so stupid and poisoned by hatred that they can't employ reverse psychology?

Posted by: Dismayed Liberal on September 8, 2006 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

>Are Osama & Bush ...

can't you righties fucking read ? nobody says Bush and OBL are working together, only that OBL seems to prefer that Bush remain in power.

Posted by: cleek on September 8, 2006 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Democrats are appeasers?

I think Karl is wrong, but I shouldn't say anything that might upset him. I'm sure he means well. Who knows -- maybe we do come across a little spineless sometimes. Gosh, did I just write that? Forgive me.

Posted by: wishIwuz2 on September 8, 2006 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

I still predict we won't take over the Senate, given our wussies in charge of the DNC.

Charlie's posing as a Democrat again...which is even more amusing than when he posed as a Ralph Reed voter.

Posted by: Gregory on September 8, 2006 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

you'd almost think he's on the CIA/Bush family payroll, wouldn't you?

well, the bin laden fmaily does goes back a long way with the Bushes, don't he?

Posted by: scott on September 8, 2006 at 1:27 PM | PERMALINK

...Osama bin Laden's peculiar preference for helping out Bush and Rove by releasing scary videotapes right around election time. You'd almost think he likes having these guys in power, wouldn't you?

hmm...very interesting. A cynical, sinister marriage of convenience. Bin Laden uses Bush, the crusader, as Poster Boy for terrorist recruitment. Bush uses Bin Laden, the evil-doer, to serve as the face of terror distraction -- while teamBush's real agenda is not fighting terror or promoting democracy, but the unrelently and and truly massive transfer of wealth to his elite class of supporters via Iraq, the tax systems, de-regulation, etc. On a smaller scale this is called stealing -- you can be shot dead for it. But in other time, it's call the the Republican revolution. All in the name of freedom and national security.

Posted by: hotspur on September 8, 2006 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

Someone who is clever with photoshop might consider creating a poster based on the old Uncle Sam Wants You, but that says
Osama Wants You To Vote Republican

Posted by: bill on September 8, 2006 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

The fear of the Dems taking a House of Congress diminishes with each passing day. This is due to rapid drop in the gas prices. If gas is down to $2.25-2.50 by election day, look to Bush's approval numbers to be in the mid-to-high 40s and the GOP holding on to both Houses, albeit with smaller majoriities.

Posted by: Chicounsel on September 8, 2006 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK

Those scary videos are produced by the Carlyle Group at their offices in Luxembourg, where bin Laden has been living the past four years.

Going to the well advertising Bush's endorsement for torture will, hopefully, be rejected by the American electorate. I am usually down on Americans for being too willing to use excessive force, but now that the results of Bush's failed wars are so blatantly evident, even Git-R-Done anti-civil rights advocates and proponents of the nuke 'em first and ask questions later factions are realizing the opportunity costs are not just too high, but wrong and not solving any of the problems that were made to seem life and nation threatening. Maybe Lincoln was right about fooling the people. I hope so.

Posted by: Hostile on September 8, 2006 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

I think you're wishing for a loss in the war too obviously, guys. The public can sense it. Your best hope is the disgust of Republicans like me with the spending habits of Congress. Keep reminding everyone of your attitude on security (like threatening Stephanopolis' employer with losing its license for telling the truth) and you will once again snatch defeat from... You know the rest.

Posted by: Mike K on September 8, 2006 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, well, the thought did occur to us that Bush is Osama's greatest recruiting tool. Now the question is: Does an attack on the U.S. homeland aid or hurt Bush? That's his big decision now.

Posted by: buddy66 on September 8, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

The fear of the Dems taking a House of Congress diminishes with each passing day.This is due to rapid drop in the gas prices.

Yes what a coincidink!

Posted by: ckelly on September 8, 2006 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

For scores and years, seven, a go to our fathers' and their forefathers' before them turned to the sports pages. It's a funny thing to mention, I know, but, well, the dry has run or the run was dry and though they roved through the wilderness searching for the one who could save the administration, he was not to be found. Now Republicans can find scores on the internet, even appeasers, too, and the new rules may acutally be debated, which means some will jag on torture to others, but that was a planned manuever. How it will turn out does not make anyone too happy, especially the endorsers, who like to make rules. It is peculiar, I know, but having a preference will make you think like those in power, biting them in the left behind, it is a series of the world and much is at stake, especially the fear that binds us as one nation, indivisible in its support for control.

Posted by: Will on September 8, 2006 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

Your best hope is the disgust of Republicans like me

you mean lying bootlicking trolls ?

no thanks.

Posted by: cleek on September 8, 2006 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

or maybe they have decided to hell with Karl and George, we are Americans and we want to do this right.

I'd like to believe that, Ron, but my guess is that, for the GOP Senators at least, they're more concerned with the upcoming election than doing right by Americans. I mean, where did this sudden fit of conscience come from?

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on September 8, 2006 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

Bush-bootlicking mental slave Mike K wrote: "... like threatening Stephanopolis' employer with losing its license for telling the truth ..."

The producers of the Disney fairy tale about 9/11 have publicly admitted that it is fiction and that numerous scenes in it never actually occurred.

And the movie is "based on" the 9/11 commission's findings only in the sense that it shows things that are the exact opposite of what the commission actually found.

You are a deliberate liar and beneath contempt.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on September 8, 2006 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

Bush-bootlicking mental slave Mike K wrote: "I think you're wishing for a loss in the war too obviously, guys. The public can sense it."

No one is wishing for a "loss" in the fake, phony "war on terror" hoax. In any case, since there is no "war on terror" there cannot be any "loss" in that "war" that doesn't exist.

Mike K: "Your best hope is the disgust of Republicans like me"

The Democrats' best hope is the rapidly growing public disgust with Republicans like you.

Americans are waking up to the reality that the Republican Party led by Dick Cheney is no longer a political party, but a criminal gang masquerading as a political party in order to use the power of the Federal government and the US military for corrupt purposes of private financial gain for themselves and their cronies and financial backers in the military-industrial-petroleum complex, at the expense of and to the grave detriment of, the American people.

That is the nature of the corrupt, war-profiteering thugs that mental slaves like you worship.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on September 8, 2006 at 2:12 PM | PERMALINK

And while you're over there, Steve also rounds up the commentary on Osama bin Laden's peculiar preference for helping out Bush and Rove by releasing scary videotapes right around election time.

Where's bin Laden?
Where's bin Laden?
He's probly hidin', probly runin'.
Some say he's livin' at the Khyber Pass.
Others say he's at the Bush's ranch.

Posted by: Al Jorgenson on September 8, 2006 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

Loss wishing can be sensed by the obvious guys. Hope is best left to the Republicans, who are right, of course, reminding everyone of the spending of people, like me, whose habits are not licensed. The snatch is a funny term, it can be a sports analogy, even like war is, but we should never threaten, unless it is for telling the truth. Employers appreciate that, but what they appreciate more is knowing, even if it is restful, as long as it is used to make us feel safer and more secure, which is an attitude we can all be proud of.

Posted by: Will on September 8, 2006 at 2:18 PM | PERMALINK

Thomas1:

You ask "You think Bush planted demolition charges at the WTC too, right?"

I believe the President has the power to start a war by sneezing, to imprison a man with a nod, and to disrupt digestion with a smirk. His farts are legendary.

He is a very powerful man.

Posted by: J. Q. Public on September 8, 2006 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

The Commission report and Berger

Posted by: harvey on September 8, 2006 at 2:22 PM | PERMALINK

I think the last time Osama put out a video like that one was in October of 2004, which was also the last time John Kerry was in a black church.

Posted by: Black Minister of Information on September 8, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

Keep reminding everyone of your attitude on security (like threatening Stephanopolis' employer with losing its license for telling the truth) and you will once again snatch defeat from... You know the rest.
Posted by: Mike K

For telling the truth Mike? Where did that account of having Osama surrounded come from? Certainly not from the 911 Commission (which I will agree was a severely flawed panel). Did "Path" mention the GOP gutting Clinton's counterterorist bill in 1996? Shelving his counter-terror funding plan as "too totalitarian"? Rejecting his request for increased wiretapping? Bush cancelling Clinton's agreement with 20 other nations to end tax havens for terrorist groups? All of the warnings of terrorist plans to fly planes into buildings, only to say, "No one could have anticipated them flying planes into buildings"? NSA agents presenting Dumbya with the infamous PDB, only to have Dumbya respond, "OK, you've covered your asses"? Dumbya sitting with his thumb up his ass for 20 minutes reading a children's book while his country was being attacked? Dumbya flying halfway around the country like a bed-wetting ninny while his country was being attacked?

Nah, I didn't think so.

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on September 8, 2006 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

I think people truly understand that these guys are liars. Here's a link that proves it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_authenticity_issues

Posted by: Gregory on September 8, 2006 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

what has changed that his latest won't help Bush this time ?
Posted by: cleek on September 8, 2006 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK

Strangely enough, the release of bin Laden's Greatest Hits album in 2004 was very close to the election, and frankly, there wasn't enough time for the media to react to it, or even discuss it.

The immediate reaction of the voters was "fear". Given about a week to process it, and debate and discuss, someone might have gotten the message out that - hey, Bush still hasn't caught this fucker, why would we want to re-elect him?

THIS time, however, there's about a 2 month lead between the release of bin Laden's "Previously Unreleased Studio Recordings" album, and the midterm election. The Bush-incompetence meme could really grow here. Particularly if there IS an attack to commemorate the 9/11 anniversary.

Bush's "I

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on September 8, 2006 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

Does anyone know what the hell "will" is talking about?

Posted by: MeLoseBrain? on September 8, 2006 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

So Republican senators have suddenly discovered the "rights of the accused?"

How timely.

Posted by: Tripp on September 8, 2006 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

Check out the unforgettable photo of Bill Frist offspring Jonathon wearing ingenius beer can belt and Confederate cavalry pants,


http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001611.php


Prepping for the long march to the White House.


Posted by: cld on September 8, 2006 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

It's an interesting thought, but remember that our best and brightest couldn't figure out the motives of the Vietnamese, despite them screaming it from the rooftops. Nor could our current generation of best and brightest understand the motives of Saddam Hussien.

With that in mind, it may be a stretch to assume that OBL, who in his speeches doesn't seem to understand us in the least, is conciously making statements to affect our electoral process in such a sophisticated way. You're basically asking people to believe Al-Qaeda has a more sophisitcated understanding of electoral politics than, oh, say the democratic party, or any number of worthless 527's.

Posted by: MAX HATS on September 8, 2006 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

I think people truly understand that these guys are liars. Here's a link that proves it:

...posted by a different Gregory than me, obviously.

Of course, one doesn't need the Killian memos to prove that Bush shirked his TANG duty...his own service record proves it.

Posted by: Gregory on September 8, 2006 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

Get this, Republican offspring online,

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2330177,00.html

Roll Call, the Washington insiders newspaper published on Capitol Hill, recently reported that Jonathan Frists Facebook entry declared him a member of the Jonathan Frist appreciation for Waking Up White People Group. It also mentioned a group where there were No Jews allowed. Just kidding. No seriously. . . .Marie Osmond, a devout Mormon and squeaky-clean American family singer, was caught up in MySpace turmoil when her teenage daughter Jessica, writing under the pseudonym F off, declared she was bisexual and that Adolf Hitler was one of her heroes.

Posted by: cld on September 8, 2006 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

Are Osama & Bush putting fluoride in our water also?
Posted by: Fitz

of course not ... neither would do something that beneficial to the american public.

Posted by: Nads on September 8, 2006 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

Or a really suspicious person might think someone other than the forgotten except around election time one is not behind releasing the tapes.

But only crazy conspiracy theorist believe that kind of nonsense.

Posted by: klyde on September 8, 2006 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

Was 9/11 perpetrated by OBL to keep Bush in power?

Posted by: Frank J. on September 8, 2006 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

Given the full court ratcheting up by the GWB admin to an Oct surprise of a OBL capture or kill, it seems pretty obvious to me that the latest video is something that the US got ahold of awhile back and choose now to leak to AJ.

Posted by: Disputo on September 8, 2006 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

You're basically asking people to believe Al-Qaeda has a more sophisitcated understanding of electoral politics than, oh, say the democratic party, or any number of worthless 527's.
Posted by: MAX HATS on September 8, 2006 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

Um - you *DO* understand that the whole purpose of Terrorism is to use violence (and fear of violence) to have a political effect, don't you?

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on September 8, 2006 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

I guess I need to be clearer, and more brief:

To assume that Osama has more skill at targetted leaks than Karl Rove is assuming a hell of a lot.

Posted by: MAX HATS on September 8, 2006 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK

THIS time, however, there's about a 2 month lead between the release of bin Laden's "Previously Unreleased Studio Recordings" album, and the midterm election. The Bush-incompetence meme could really grow here.

well, it hasn't grown yet, depsite 6 years of blisteringly obvious evidence.

Particularly if there IS an attack to commemorate the 9/11 anniversary.

doesn't seem like the alQ style. they've had plenty of important/significant days to try things, but they haven't - they don't seem to be into the Big Date thing.

Posted by: cleek on September 8, 2006 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

I don't know ... I always figured that osama releases about 2-3 of these per year, and that repubes just release them around election times, or at times of particularly high gas prices.

everything else about their response to terrorism is window dressing, ratings, and photo ops ... I assumed this was, too.

Posted by: Nads on September 8, 2006 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

they don't seem to be into the Big Date thing.
Posted by: cleek on September 8, 2006 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

The hell they don't:

9/11 (oslo accords).
3/11 (spain attacks).

One of Al Qaeda's signatures is their "coordinated attacks" (multiple simultaneous plane hijackings, train bombings, etc.) - because it's through this that they "demonstrate" their competence and superiority; it's all about ego to them.

Which is what gets the conservatives really riled.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on September 8, 2006 at 4:10 PM | PERMALINK

If you're Osama, wouldn't you like the current moonbats to stay in place?

Posted by: SocraticGadfly on September 8, 2006 at 4:16 PM | PERMALINK

oslo accords

as far as significant days go, the Oslo Accords probably rate far below Elvis's birthday for most Americans. besides, 9/11 wasn't even the original date - and was only chosen three weeks before the actual day.

they've had 5 XMas's, 5 new year's, 4 other 9/11's, 5 Pearl Harbors, 5 July 4ths, 5 Mohammed's b-days, 5 11th Imam days - they've skipped 'em all.

i'll give you 4/11. but one does not a trend make.

Posted by: cleek on September 8, 2006 at 4:19 PM | PERMALINK


gop and terrorists agree...america should remain scared..

Posted by: thisspaceavailable on September 8, 2006 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin: "You'd almost think [Osama bin Laden] likes having [the Bush administration] in power, wouldn't you?"

I know. The political timing is such that you'd think that perhaps one of the guy's brothers was having breakfast with the president's father the moring of the 9/11 attacks.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on September 8, 2006 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK

...they've had 5 XMas's, 5 new year's, 4 other 9/11's, 5 Pearl Harbors, 5 July 4ths, 5 Mohammed's b-days, 5 11th Imam days - they've skipped 'em all.
Posted by: cleek on September 8, 2006 at 4:19 PM | PERMALINK

I think these attacks take a lot of time and effort to prepare. If they've got one in the works, they'll wait for a symbolic day. It's all about ego and symbolism.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on September 8, 2006 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK

Funny how these things always come out on Friday:

"Senate Report Finds No Prewar Saddam-al-Qaida Ties"

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/senate-report-finds-no-prewar-saddam-al/20060908042609990005?cid=2194

No Osama, No WMD, Why Iraq ?

Posted by: Stephen on September 8, 2006 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

Does anyone know what the hell "will" is talking about?

Not I. His "comment" was incomprehensible.

Posted by: Edo on September 8, 2006 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

A personal note: I was attending a local Democratic Party function in downtown Honolulu last week when Sen. Daniel Inouye saw me from across a room, and then approached me about something I had said to him well over two years ago.

Back then, I had told him that I feared that we were sliding into a modern-day state of fascism. I believe that he acknowledged my answer out of simple politeness, but he obviously thought I was politically paranoid.

This time, he came over, shook my hand and told me that he remembered what I said, and he's now come to the conclusion that I was right in my previously stated concerns about the creeping fascism that's enveloping our country.

If I was a Republican senator, Dan Inouye is not someone I'd want on my bad side. He's been in the Senate almost as long as Robert Byrd, and has served as a key player on two major congressional committees investigating Watergate and Iran-Contra -- the latter as the chair.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on September 8, 2006 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK

Thomas,
If Osama bin Laden were paying George W Bush cash on the barrelhead, is there anything he would have had him do differently? Anything at all?

W removed troops from Saudi Arabia and Mecca, took down the most hostile government (to al Qaeda) in the Middle East, allowed bin Laden himself to slip away in the night, demonstrated the areas where the US is vulnerable militarily and basically made OBL into a ME rock star.

For cash up front, what do you think bin Laden would have had Bush do differently?

CK

Posted by: CK Dexter Haven on September 8, 2006 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

For cash up front, what do you think bin Laden would have had Bush do differently?
Posted by: CK Dexter Haven on September 8, 2006 at 4:40 PM | PERMALINK

A goat? A goat? Could you, would you, with a goat?

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on September 8, 2006 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

Does anyone have an idea what those "Code Black" security documents were that Sandy Berger stole prior to his 9/11/ commission questioning? Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: nikkolai on September 8, 2006 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

Does anyone have an idea what those "Code Black" security documents were that Sandy Berger stole prior to his 9/11/ commission questioning? Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: nikkolai on September 8, 2006 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

Probably the original copies of the Killian memos.

Posted by: Osama_Been_Forgotten on September 8, 2006 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK

Those weren't documents, but plum tomatoes.

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Posted by: Debbie on September 9, 2006 at 6:20 AM | PERMALINK

Or they are his boss!


You'd almost think he likes having these guys in power, wouldn't you?

Posted by: fat karl on September 9, 2006 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK

You just know that if they were real Texans and had lived a hundred and fifty years ago, the whole smarmy, lying lot of them woulda been dead by age 20, swinging from a rope, possibly without an adequate drop. Ah the good ole days.

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 9, 2006 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

Donald Rumsfeld was on my editorial pages today, simultaneously preening that Amewricans don't do "fear" and trying to scare the hell out of the so-called "security voters." The aroma of desperation is thick in the air as the midterms approach.

I am quite enjoying the kabuki-theatre aspect of it all.

But just in case Jane and Joe six-pack still are too fucking thick to get it, I am keeping my powder dry.

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 9, 2006 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld are bin Laden's best Jihad poster boys...Osama is definitely a player in the election, helping prop up the Republican scare machine.

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