Editore"s Note
Tilting at Windmills

Email Newsletter icon, E-mail Newsletter icon, Email List icon, E-mail List icon Sign up for Free News & Updates

September 18, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

THE SENATE RACE TIGHTENS....From Rasmussen:

The battle for control of the U.S. Senate is getting closer much closer. Little more than a week ago, our Balance of Power summary showed the Republicans leading 50-45 with five states in the Toss-Up category.

....Todays changes all involve Republican incumbents who have been struggling all year. In Montana, Senator Conrad Burns (R) has fallen behind Jon Tester (D). Rhode Island Senator Lincoln Chafee (R) survived his primary but starts the General Election as a decided underdog. Sherrod Brown (D) is enjoying a growing lead over Ohio Senator Mike DeWine (R).

They now rate the Senate race as almost dead even: 49 seats are Republican or Leans Republican while 48 seats are Democrat or Leans Democrat.

Kevin Drum 12:31 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (117)

Bookmark and Share
 
Comments

Um, only 33 (or 34) Senate seats are up for election this year.

Posted by: TROTSKY on September 18, 2006 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

And don't forget Missouri Kevin. Calire McCaskill has pulled ahead of Jim Talent(less) hack.

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK

In fact, anyone who wants to help out our efforts to turn missouri blue outside the metro areas of St. Louis and Kansas City can help out by contributing to Claire's senate campaign by visiting www.claireonline.com

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 12:40 PM | PERMALINK

Your party is throwing your candidate, Schlesinger, over the side, Charlie. So sad, but who expects consistency and loyalty from today's Republicans?

Globe, already done it. That has been a very interesting race to watch.

Posted by: shortstop on September 18, 2006 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

Interesting poll results but I don't think they'll hold. It doesn't take into account a probable war with Iran in October launched to liberate the Iranian people from their Islamofacists regime. The war will cause the American people to desert the liberals and Democrats in droves because they will be seen as weak on national security. The result will be a Republican landslide in 2006. Time magazine reports about the upcoming war with Iran.

Link

"Coupled with the CNO's request for a blockade review, a deployment of minesweepers to the west coast of Iran would seem to suggest that a much discussedbut until now largely theoreticalprospect has become real: that the U.S. may be preparing for war with Iran."

Posted by: Al on September 18, 2006 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK

Wouldn't it be a nice surprise if the Dems lose New Jersey or Pennsylvania but still gain control of the senate by winning Virginia, Tennessee or Arizona?

Posted by: Matthew on September 18, 2006 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

I liked "Jow." Sort of an oriental sound.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 18, 2006 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

Wouldn't it be a nice surprise if the Dems lose New Jersey or Pennsylvania but still gain control of the senate by winning Virginia, Tennessee or Arizona?

Yep. The Dems aren't about to lose Pennsylvania despite the Republican-bought Green candidate (has he been knocked off the ballot yet?). Maryland, however, is up for grabs right now, as is New Jersey.

Posted by: shortstop on September 18, 2006 at 12:51 PM | PERMALINK

I think one of the races to watch is Virginia. Allen is in the fight of his life. He will never get right of Webb. Webb comes off as being the soldier's candidate. Don't waste troops on frivolous wars. The rap on Webb is that he isn't a dynamic campaigner, but if yesterday was any indication Allen ain't so hot.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 18, 2006 at 12:53 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, Ron, Webb did fine yesterday, despite his reputation. The tightest races, if I'm not mistaken, are Virginia, Missouri, Maryland, Tennessee and New Jersey.

Posted by: shortstop on September 18, 2006 at 12:55 PM | PERMALINK

Thank you, Shortstop. We need all the help we can get from you blue-staters in this f'ed up red state.

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 1:04 PM | PERMALINK

Thomas1

What the hell are you trying to say? Webb answered the questions about as well as he could. I am not so sure about George "Macacca" Allen.

I bet ya the next polls will show Allen's lead shrinking even further. it might even fall away completely.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 18, 2006 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK

Don't ascribe me motives, please. (This is the last time I will ask nicely.)

When have I ever condoned sexism? Hmmm? Show me a post where I defended sexism/sexual harassment. You can't because you can't find one. Not that I posted, anyway.

I watched the interview yesterday morning, too. Both my husband and I were screaming at Webb on TV "Just admit you were wrong!"

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 1:20 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, we not only think it's okay, we applaud it, Charlie. We think every action taken by any candidate we've ever preferred is beyond reproach, that everyone we ever supported is a paragon of infallible wisdom and virtue. Our guys uber alles! Not to support every word out of their mouths is to enable the terrorists and embolden the fags!

God, you're stupid.

Posted by: shortstop on September 18, 2006 at 1:20 PM | PERMALINK

And by the way, Russert didn't get it right, either. Sgt. LeeAnn Hester was the recipient of the Silver Star. For leading her troops into battle and acting in heroic fashion. Whether or not she had an "infection" at the time was not disclosed.

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

>The Dems aren't about to lose Pennsylvania

Don't underestimate Casey's ability to lose (or overestimate his ability to win). Santorum is taking it to him over the airwaves with the usual selection of outright lies an The Stupid*, but hey that's how we got to a Republican-dominated country.


*The latest thing, so fucking amazing that something this stupid actually is expected to and probably will work on Moron-Americans, Pennsylvania Division, was an attack on Casey because, as State Treasurer, he didn't refuse to "sign" the legislator's paychecks after the much hated pay raise. Yeah, like the Treasurer has the power to decide which checks he's going to write and which not.

Jeebus.

Posted by: doesn't matter on September 18, 2006 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

I did tell Alice once to either get, or give a blow job and see what all the fuss was about, and until then to STFU.

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 1:23 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, I sure would like to see Russert grill Cheney like that. How many different ways can the guy say he no longer believes what he wrote 27 years ago? I guess he's the only one to change his thinking on a woman's place in the world in the last 27 years.

I didn't get to watch the debate. Did Allen go through a similar grilling? And how is it a "debate" when the moderator conducts an interrogation?

Posted by: ChrisO on September 18, 2006 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

Most likely she did, Globe. You know how warlike we always get at "infection" time. Whoo-hoo! I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with us, wink, wink!

doesntmatter, this made me laugh out loud: Moron-Americans, Pennsylvania Division,

I'm not getting complacent. I've watched us snatch defeat from the jaws of victory too many times. I just don't think Santorum's going to pull this one out.

Posted by: shortstop on September 18, 2006 at 1:26 PM | PERMALINK

Jow = Joe.

You almost said "Jew Lieberman" but you checked yourself.

It's funny how the wingers hate Jews, but they worship one.

Posted by: grytpype on September 18, 2006 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

If we do go to war against Iran, there will be blood in the streets of the USA.

I am no longer willing to be a citizen of a fascist hegemonic dictatorship.

Posted by: POed Lib on September 18, 2006 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

Thomas1 is a repukeliscum troll. He's trying to get repukeliscum traitors re-elected.

Posted by: POed Lib on September 18, 2006 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

I no longer believe in polls (since '04) and refuse to get suckered into thinking the Dems make a comeback. Burned too many times.

Posted by: ckelly on September 18, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

I strenuously disagree with Webb's position on women in the military. But in VA, there's really no choice. If Jesse Helms were running against a centrist Dem who believed that women shouldn't serve, it would be a no-brainer, and Allen is no different. Even on women's issues, Webb is far from ideal, but far better than Allen.

As for the poll: that's good news, since Rasmussen generally skews right (the reason Kaus likes them so much).

Posted by: kth on September 18, 2006 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

Lotsa time for the races to change. They haven't become seriously dirty yet. If GOP candidates stay down or further drop in the polls, negative ads will dominate the air (same would hold true for DFL candidates, but they just aren't as good at it).

MN incumbent Rep. Kennedy -R, is currently down by 20%. This weekend MN's saw direct slime attacks against challenger Klobuchar -D, with grainy photos and spooky sound effects (Kennedy used a still-frame pic to endorse it at the end).

Turns your stomach, but might turn poll numbers too.

Posted by: wishIwuz2 on September 18, 2006 at 1:35 PM | PERMALINK

You can have your rapture, I will take mine.

Mine involves orgasms.

Now if this "infection" would just clear up...

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

I saw Meet the Press yesterday and thought both those candidates looked terrible. Glad I don't live in Virginia anymore. Neither of them came across as a decent human being. I wonder if that means Russert was frustrated with the available choice?

I'd like to be optimistic about the November elections, but then I remember that our last two or three national elections have been rife with fraud that allowed Republicans to come out on top.

I predict exit polling that shows a democratic landslide, and official vote tallies that show a narrow republican victory. Whether a revolution starts immediately afterwards, I can't forsee yet.

Posted by: Remus Shepherd on September 18, 2006 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

Shortstop, nobody in their right mind would want to be in a foxhole with the two of us, especially at "infection" time.

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 1:43 PM | PERMALINK

I don't know when the revolution will start, but I am keeping my powder dry just as a cautionary measure.

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

I was being sarcastic, Globe, if that is in fact the real Globe. Not that I think I'd be pleasant company in a foxhole at any time, but the menstruation jokes are too tedious for words.

Posted by: shortstop on September 18, 2006 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

The irony is that the GOP could very well retain the Senate thanks to Tom Kean Jr., the antithesis of a W Republican.

Posted by: Vincent on September 18, 2006 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

Saw the MTP debate. Webb came across more engaged and prepared to me, but it was tough to pick a winner. Allen seems totally paranoid of saying anything substantial. With his recent headlines, I guess that's understandable.

After Webb's '79 article and Tailhook, he's got big problems with the female vote. Allen simply has big problems. Good luck VA!

Posted by: wishIwuz2 on September 18, 2006 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

That was me keeping my powder dry. That was my doppleganger right above it, a minute earlier.

Now I have to go off and teach a group of students how to lie (stat class starts in 20 minutes.)

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

Globe: That was my doppleganger right above it, a minute earlier.

Yeah, I figured it was Charlie. He's never been too successful with wimmen. Have a nice class!

Posted by: shortstop on September 18, 2006 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

>If we do go to war against Iran, there will be blood in the streets of the USA.

Left will attack its own country first. What else is new?

Posted by: rackham on September 18, 2006 at 1:53 PM | PERMALINK

A quote from Mitch McConnell on the current situation.

So far, Democrats in the Senate have managed to avoid the light of the oncoming train by throwing four Republicans up as a shield, with the help of the media. Can they hold out until the election?

Posted by: rnc on September 18, 2006 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

rnc

I am not really afraid of a debate on whether the US should abandon its moral compass to recklessly engage in meaningless torture or to try terrorists in kangaroo courts.

The four (actually a lot more than 4) Republicans are on the American side. Why aren't you?

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 18, 2006 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

Fewer than 1 American in 3 believes torture is never justified.

Source?

And if so, a very sad indictment of the US. Not a stat I would enjoy throwing around, Charlie.

Posted by: snicker-snack on September 18, 2006 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, sure, that's what the Rasmussen says. What really matters is what does Diebold say?

Posted by: Augustus on September 18, 2006 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

One source.

Full report from Pew

Posted by: Ein on September 18, 2006 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and Bush opening his mouth

Posted by: ckelly on September 18, 2006 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

Um, only 33 (or 34) Senate seats are up for election this year.

Yes, and the ones not up for election rather clearly fall into either the Democratic or Republican camps. So?

Posted by: cmdicely on September 18, 2006 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

There is a fundamental difference between the "put a gun to somebody's head or the world dies" senerio popular on television and the "let's institutionalize waterboarding and hypothermia" treatments advocated by the government.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 18, 2006 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

Sounds like the troll`s checks arrived over the weekend

Are they enough to make up for selling your soul ?

"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." - Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

Posted by: daCascadian on September 18, 2006 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

Exit polls, done correctly, have a margin of error of less than half a percentage point. Note that we know how to do them correctly, as american firms are the ones monitoring vote fraud across the world. But exit polls in the 2004 presidential election were off by more than 9%.

I consider the 2004 election stolen (let's not even discuss the 2000 one). I believe they'll steal it in 2006, too.

I just don't know what to do about it, apart from buying a shotgun and stocking up fuel for the generator.

Posted by: Remus Shepherd on September 18, 2006 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

I was being sarcastic, Globe, if that is in fact the real Globe. Not that I think I'd be pleasant company in a foxhole at any time

Shortstop, you and Global Citizen may not be pleasant in a foxhole, but I'd know that you'd do your duty and protect my six. And that's what I want my fellow foxhole denizens to do. Pleasant is a nice-to-have. Being both willing and bad at poker is also a nice-to-have.

Posted by: Edo on September 18, 2006 at 2:51 PM | PERMALINK

Sounds like the troll's checks arrived over the weekend

We don't have regular welfare checks coming in like you, you know.

The belief that everyone thinks just like you do is one of the delusions of the Left. Did you see that poll above? This is why you have to retreat into psychotic paranoia about voting conspiracies when you get your ass handed to you in elections.

Posted by: troll on September 18, 2006 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

Tom Kean Jr., the antithesis of a W Republican.

except in his favorable feelings toward privatizing SS.

Posted by: benjoya on September 18, 2006 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

The battle for control of the U.S. Senate is getting closer much closer. Little more than a week ago, our Balance of Power summary showed the Republicans leading 50-45 with five states in the Toss-Up category.

This is contrary to what the talking heads were saying last week on Charlie Rose.

Last Thurdsay, MARK HALPERIN, Political Director, ABC News; and MICHAEL DUFFY,Assistant Managing Editor, Time; and another talking head were on the show.

They were all saying that the Republicans were outperforming the Democrats. Halperin, to me, comes across as a Republican pundit and not an objective analyst. Duffy stated that Bush's polls were up without stating how much. Rose challenged none of them - he just went along with the flow. There was no rebuttal.

They stated that the Democrats needed confidence to win - which certainly would be more difficult if supposedly objective MSM talking heads are so energetically reciting Republcan talking points without counterpoint or cross-examination.

Here
is Charlie Rose's feedback form. Contact him with info from Kevin's post and ask him how his political experts' "analysis" can be reconciled with Kevin's results.

Posted by: Thinker on September 18, 2006 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

Saw the MTP debate. Webb came across more engaged and prepared to me, but it was tough to pick a winner. Allen seems totally paranoid of saying anything substantial. With his recent headlines, I guess that's understandable.

Oddly, what hurts Allen most I think is not the macaca incident but his apologetic defense. From the far left's perspective, he's simply a racist and a liar. From the far right point of view, he's losing his white superiority street credits. From the middle, he looks immature and weasely. Anyway, I think Allen has given Jim Webb a real shot to win the Senate for the Democrats (if only as an example of how to run). It will be interesting to see how the ex-naval secretary defends himself against the inevitably swift-boating. He appears to have more spine that Kerry.

Also I disgree that "Allen seems totally paranoid of saying anything substantial." He can't THINK of any substantial.

Posted by: Hotspur on September 18, 2006 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

brrrrriiinnnngggg!

brrrrinnnnggg!

Hello? Exxon CEO? Yeah. This is George W Bush. We're gonna need another dime off at the pump until November 4th.

What?

ANOTHER tax break?

AND Alaska?

Look I'll -

Okay,

Okay,

I'll see what I can do.

Thanks.

-click-

Posted by: George W Bush (and I approve this message) on September 18, 2006 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin et al, you should take a look at http://www.electoral-vote.com/. You may remember it from the 2004 elections. Well, now it's providing analysis of the Senate race by synthesizing polls released by major polling agencies to produce its map. At the moment, the map is evenly split.

Posted by: Jeremy on September 18, 2006 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

To the person that was whining about an article Jim Webb about women in combat 30 years ago:

Webb has changed his position. And I don't think a change of opinion that occurs over decades can be classified as a "flip-flop".

Allen, however, has spoken out against women in combat far more recently. And so far, he has yet to change his opinion.

Posted by: keptsimple on September 18, 2006 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK

I think it was best site i ever visit.
http://financements.andes.asso.fr/portal_memberdata/portraits/and#cialis
[url=http://financements.andes.asso.fr/portal_memberdata/portraits/and#cialis]cialis online[/url]
cialis online

Posted by: Cialis on September 18, 2006 at 3:53 PM | PERMALINK

I'm sure Cheney would like a 50-50 senate. He'd get to play the heavy in tie-breakers.

Posted by: mac on September 18, 2006 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

I am a big Divided Government fan. My dream scenario would be a Democratic Senate, a Republican House and then a President of either party.

Until today the only near-term prospect was a Democratic House...and THAT was receding (still is, I believe - close, but no cigar, Ms. Pelosi).

A Democratic Senate would be great. Looking at the scoreboard it looks doable. If the War is a big issue, it makes sense - what can your Congressman do about it?

Posted by: Andrew II on September 18, 2006 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK

We can only hope that Democrats win control of Congress so that the legislative branch can pressure Bush to make good on important promises he made in the past. At a 2000 UN Summit in New York, Bush (and 188 other world leaders) agreed to implement measures that would halve global poverty by 2015 and eliminate it by 2025. However, Bush has done nothing thus far to make good on this promise. Legislation that would force the president to devise a comprehensive plan to combat global poverty is currently stuck in the House International Relations Committee and is unlikely to see the House floor without a shift in power. For a fraction of the $300 billion we've spent on the Iraq War, we could make a considerable dent in global poverty, which would do more for our national security than any war.
www.borgenproject.org

Posted by: Maureen206 on September 18, 2006 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK

As for exit polls being done correctly, I have my doubts. The only poll that counts is the official one on Election Day.

As for the official count, I have my doubts.

My dream scenario would be a Democratic Senate, a Republican House and then a President of either party.


Me too. Oh wait, I thought you said a President of NEITHER party.

Posted by: ckelly on September 18, 2006 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

I don't like liars Charlie. And your posing as a "democrat" in a thread like this is simply a lie.
Longtime readers can recognize the verbal tics and arguments of trolls - it's easy to do since they repeat themselves many times. Charlie loves to bring up a poll about torture to argue that a majority of Americans don't oppose it all of the time; therefore, by his magical logic, a majority of Americans support Bush and foundational moral issues don't matter. Do you want me to search the forums for the many, many times that you've used this line Charlie? Or will you admit to using yet another alias and lying about being a concerned Democrat?

Posted by: Marc on September 18, 2006 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

ckelly >"...I thought you said a President of NEITHER party."

Ah yes, the ole "None of the above" selection

It would do SOOOOO much for global politics

"There is no such thing as inaccuracy in a photograph. All photographs are accurate. None of them is the truth." - Richard Avedon

Posted by: daCascadian on September 18, 2006 at 5:53 PM | PERMALINK

troll (or Charlie or Thomas1 or American Slock or whoever you are; it is so hard to keep up with all the duplicates)>"...This is why you have to retreat into psychotic paranoia about voting conspiracies when you get your ass handed to you in elections."

No one has "handed me my ass" in any recent election

Curiously I prefer reality but then I realize that isn`t popular w/all the oh so cool kids these days

You are welcome to all the psychotic paranoia you care to indulge in (the more you indulge, the more it makes you like all your kind); evidence appears to be another matter however since you apparently wouldn`t know it when it ran over you

BTW...how IS your Diebold stock doing ?

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

Posted by: daCascadian on September 18, 2006 at 6:03 PM | PERMALINK

Thomas1...the answer to your question at 6:37 is "or not."

It is statistically impossible for the exit polls to have been that far off in Ohio and certain Fla districts.

Do you not think that with billions of dollars at stake, one or two, or maybe even three individuals wouldn't hedge their bets ? Give me a break. That kind of naivity belongs in kindergarten.

With current districts and voting patterns, you do not need a lot of fraud, just a little well place fraud can go all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Posted by: Out on Bond on September 18, 2006 at 7:02 PM | PERMALINK

By the way, no way the dems take either House of Congress. The neocons running this administration would rather sell the Republican party down the river for the next two generations rather than have a democratic House or Senate exercising ANY oversight.

Traditional Republicans are looking at the presidential race in 08, and could easily adapt to having one of the Houses of Congress democratically controlled. Not the neocons. They cannot take the heat.

Posted by: Out on Bond on September 18, 2006 at 7:07 PM | PERMALINK

Who is hedging their bets? Exxon, Haliburton, McDonnell-Douglas to name a few.

Posted by: Out on Bond on September 18, 2006 at 7:33 PM | PERMALINK

Thomas1:

There is a study out of UPenn that addresses the widely "accepted" problems with the exit polls. The exit polls were only off significantly in a few discrete districts. The statistical problems arose in the districts that were fairly easily predicted. For example, in Ohio's 13th, where votes have been pretty much 46% +/- for both parties, the exit polls show 49% Kerry and 44% Bush- the actual vote came out 52% Bush and 39% Kerry. Comparing the historical voting patterns with the exit polls against the "official" tally indicates that massive fraud in THAT district- which, combined with a few other districts, was enough to sway Ohio.

There is a massive disconnect in this country. There are a good many people who still honestly beleive that President Bush walks on water. There are others who wouldn't beleive him if he said "hello." So, the campaign, and voter fraud, is directed at those seven independant voters that each state is required to have.

Seriously, the Republicans have always been better at crunching electoral numbers. It is not that hard, with no paper trial and no auditablity, to steal an election. The theives only have to steal a couple of districts here and there, the result is that an entire states electoral college goes for "W." The apparatchik knew that Bush got fewer popular votes in 2000. Consequently, they hedged their bets in 04.

By the way, I completely made up Ohio's 13th district and the statistics cited therein. There is a study out of UPenn which concludes that only voter fraud can account for exit poll discrepancy. It is on the net. I am just too lazy to Google it and find it and post the link to it- which is another way of saying I do not know how.

Posted by: Out on Bond on September 18, 2006 at 8:32 PM | PERMALINK

Thomas1 at 8:21- very funny. I have got to go watch the Steelers lose. They cannot go 3-0 to start the season, it would be a sin.

Posted by: Out on Bond on September 18, 2006 at 8:37 PM | PERMALINK

I don't like liars Charlie. And your posing as a "democrat" in a thread like this is simply a lie. Longtime readers can recognize the verbal tics and arguments of trolls - marc 4:29 today

What marc, you don't believe Thomas1, when he says, "I'm a lifelong member of the Democrat Party!"

Posted by: Dismayed Liberal on September 18, 2006 at 9:19 PM | PERMALINK

No real Democrat would say they are a "lifelong member of the Democrat party" because there is no such thingas the "Democrat Party."

It's the Democratic party. If you are going to pose, get that little factoid correct.

Every time a reich-winger calls it the "Democrat Party" come back with "Publican Party" for them. It's more than just an insult - it is an uncomfortable truth!

And by the way, Democrats have fared much better than Publicans throughout history. And we get two insults for the price of one - we can skewer the party and the people with the same label.

Game. Set. Match.

Better trolls, please.

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 9:42 PM | PERMALINK

Viet Nam is Eisenhowers baby. He sent the first Americans in, in 1954. You would think that the Senator from Kansas could remember that Viet Nam belongs in the Man from Abileen's column.

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 18, 2006 at 10:07 PM | PERMALINK

"It doesn't take into account a probable war with Iran in October launched to liberate the Iranian people from their Islamofacists regime."

Don't know if this is real or fake Al; both are so robotic, it's hard to tell.
Insert talking points here: Click, click, whirrr!

In any case, what kind of person can type a phrase like "a probable war with Iran in October" and not be sickened by the idea of human lives being so transparently used as pawns in a political campaign? Well? (Not to mention that it would destroy the U.S. military for years to come and hasten the destruction of our economy. Wow, some patriots these guys are.)

Posted by: Kenji on September 18, 2006 at 10:48 PM | PERMALINK

Viet Nam is Eisenhowers baby.

Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon... what's the difference? With regards to Vietnam, not a heck of a lot.

But at least Ike warned us in highly specific terms about the situation we find ourselves in today.

***Hey Charlie. You're a filthy and disgusting liar. And Jesus don't like that.

Posted by: obscure on September 18, 2006 at 11:02 PM | PERMALINK

Global Citizen >"...Every time a reich-winger calls it the "Democrat Party" come back with "Publican Party" for them. It's more than just an insult - it is an uncomfortable truth!..."

Make that "Thuglican Party" please

It completely explains them & their behavior in a way which anyone (even a TrollforPay bot) can understand w/o straining their brain cells

"...It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins..." - Benjamin Franklin

Posted by: daCascadian on September 18, 2006 at 11:08 PM | PERMALINK

Out on Bond >"...McDonnell-Douglas..."

They don`t exist anymore; these days it is all Boeing

obscure >"...what's the difference? With regards to Vietnam, not a heck of a lot..."

Just body counts is all they are I guess huh ?

You are really out of it; they were all human beings once

"The only barrier to a successfully sustainable planet is ignorance." - R. Buckminster Fuller

Posted by: daCascadian on September 18, 2006 at 11:17 PM | PERMALINK

Jason,

Re: Democrat Party and Dole

Well, they never learnt all of us Jayhawks proper English too good up there at Snob Knob.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 18, 2006 at 11:26 PM | PERMALINK

Tester wins, Webb loses.

Hackett wins, DeWine loses. Oh wait...

Posted by: Linus on September 19, 2006 at 12:15 AM | PERMALINK

What I want to do is hang out with two of my very favorite people on the thread, Jason and Paul. But alas, I have to get a lot accomplished before tomorrow morning - it will be an all-nighter, without a doubt - but if I don't get a hell of a lot accomplished before the sun comes up, I'll be kissing a lot more than the department chairs' ring...

Posted by: Global Citizen on September 19, 2006 at 1:01 AM | PERMALINK

I actually don't think Webb will have a "problem with women." He is less likely to waste other people's children in a futile war (his son is serving in Iraq now); supports the McCain-Warner-Graham legislation against use of torture (Allen waffled on this on Meet the Press; talk about supporting your state's senior senator), understands that Americans are deeply concerned about their children's economic prospects and the direction the country is taking. Also more likely to provide oversight of an overreaching presidential administration. So I don't see women -- or other thinking citizens -- having a problem with supporting Webb.

Posted by: dog's eye view on September 19, 2006 at 3:29 AM | PERMALINK

韩国电影 性知识图片 最新电影 宽带电影 经典电影 恐怖电影 人体艺术 美女图片 美女走光 A片下载 毛片 偷窥图片 裸体视频聊天室 成人网站 成人论坛 性爱论坛 变态日本女生 淫女 女大学生 美女下阴图 女性生殖器 操逼操比操屄 激情论坛 免费电影下载 免费在线电影 看免费电影 免费电影网站 韩国电影 两性生活 性教育片 两性知识 性爱图片 激情电影 免费黄色电影 最新电影 成人性爱电影 免费小电影 免费性电影 免费成人电影 免费电影在线观看 宽带电影 经典电影 恐怖电影 免费影片 免费影院 最新大片 十八电影网 美女写真 人体艺术 美女图片 美女走光 美腿图片 三级片 强奸电影 美女祼体图片 美女自拍 黄色电影下载 免费色情电影 激情图片 激情小电影 性感美女图片 漂亮妹妹图片 做爱图片 美少女图片 av女优 情色电影 同志电影 激情视频 明星露点图片 写真电影 阴部图片 乳房图片 明星裸照 性爱视频 偷拍图片 美眉图片 泳装美女 美女内衣内裤 做爱电影 性福联盟 人体摄影 明星裸照 裸女图片 黄色小说 成人小说 乱伦小说 强暴电影 轮奸视频 性虐待电影 迷奸图片 妓女日记 汤加丽写真集 全裸美女 淫荡小说 淫乱小说 淫书 性爱贴图 情趣内衣图片 性生活图片 作爱图片 艳情小说 性交姿势 舒淇写真 美女脱衣图片 裸体女人图片 人体写真 女性手淫图片 波霸美女 淫水美女鲍鱼 阴户阴道臀部阴毛 美女图库 口交肛交图片 A片下载 毛片 偷窥图片 裸体视频聊天室 成人网站 成人论坛 性爱论坛网站 性变态图片 淫女图片 日本女学生 美女下阴图 女性生殖器 操逼图片 美女激情 搞笑手机铃声 个性铃声 dj铃声 唱得响亮铃声 手机铃声图片 高频铃声下载 手机铃声格式 搞怪铃声 比特铃声 自编铃声 adp铃声 七彩铃声 经典手机铃声 最新手机铃声 手机铃声制作 诺基亚手机铃声 小灵通铃声 移动手机铃声 手机动画 手机彩图 手机铃音 手机铃声论坛 短信铃声 来电铃声 音乐铃声 歌曲铃声 铃声试听 手机壁纸 彩色铃声 v3铃声下载 手机待机图片 免费手机图片 三星手机图片 手机mp3下载 手机主题 如何制作手机铃声 真人原唱和弦铃声 qd铃声下载 经典铃声 联通手机彩铃 神奇铃声 最新铃声 另类铃声 免费小电影 免费电影在线观看 免费影片 最新大片 免费电影下载 免费在线电影 看免费电影 电影夜宴网站 情色电影 激情视频下载 明星露点图片 激情写真 阴部图片 乳房图片 全裸美女 淫荡小说 淫乱图片 美女脱衣视频 裸体女人 女性手淫图片 波霸美女 淫水美女鲍鱼 阴户阴毛图片 美女图库 美女口交图片 性爱视频 偷拍图片 泳装美女 美女内衣内裤 性爱贴图 性生活图片 作爱图片 性交姿势 做爱电影 性福电影 人体摄影 裸女图片 乱伦图片 强暴电影 轮奸视频 迷奸图片 乳房写真 性爱小说 美眉写真 激情贴图 两性性生活 作爱电影 性交图片 做爱图片 美女人体 美女裸照 全裸女 黄色小说 成人小说 强暴图片 轮奸美女 泳装图片

Posted by: amr铃声 on September 19, 2006 at 3:35 AM | PERMALINK

Thank you very much, for this site!
http://www.qube.ac.uk/QuBE/portal_memberdata/portraits/ald#viagra
[url=http://www.qube.ac.uk/QuBE/portal_memberdata/portraits/ald#viagra]viagra online[/url]
viagra online

Posted by: Viagra on September 19, 2006 at 8:39 AM | PERMALINK

How long before we begin to find SOMEONE taking note of the change in tone of reporting on this election...just viewd Chuck Todd (not impartial, for sure) doing his schtick on WJ and beginning the spin for a Republican "comeback" spurred on by the fine job Bush did in his speeches over 9/11 (again, no bias there)...and bemoaning the fact that poor old Conrad Burns can't get a break with all the negative ads coming his way...BOO HOO...this will continue, pick up steam, and set the stage for the "SEE WE TOLD YOU WE'RE IN CHARGE" results in November. BE afraid, be very afraid...GET YOUR EYES OPEN AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

Posted by: Dancer on September 19, 2006 at 9:16 AM | PERMALINK

Nice webpage, lovely,coolest design.
http://www.mozartforall.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/jam#cialis
[url=http://www.mozartforall.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/jam#cialis]generic cialis[/url]
generic cialis

Posted by: Cialis on September 19, 2006 at 9:20 AM | PERMALINK

The GOP has become highly adept at manipulating these new, inherently fraudulent electronic voting machines. Companies like the conservative-controlled Diebold, have become downright blatant in being accessories to fraud. All national elections in America will be a farce until we require paper audit trails on all of these machines.

Republican treachery knows no bounds.

Posted by: A Cynic's Cynic on September 19, 2006 at 9:36 AM | PERMALINK

Really nice interesting site. thank you for it.
http://collyers.ac.uk/portal_memberdata/portraits/aby#viagra
[url=http://collyers.ac.uk/portal_memberdata/portraits/aby#viagra]cheap viagra[/url]
cheap viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 19, 2006 at 9:46 AM | PERMALINK

Nice good site,dont let it go away.
http://communities.libre.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/hen#viagra
[url=http://communities.libre.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/hen#viagra]buy viagra[/url]
buy viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 19, 2006 at 9:55 AM | PERMALINK

Good website and nice content. Thank you master!!!
http://plone.gufi.org/Collaboratori/portal_memberdata/portraits/ati#viagra
[url=http://plone.gufi.org/Collaboratori/portal_memberdata/portraits/ati#viagra]generic viagra[/url]
generic viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 19, 2006 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

I want to thank your page,it good!
http://progsupport.aset.ac.uk/portal_memberdata/portraits/aga#cialis
[url=http://progsupport.aset.ac.uk/portal_memberdata/portraits/aga#cialis]cialis online[/url]
cialis online

Posted by: Cialis on September 19, 2006 at 10:08 AM | PERMALINK

So, what's up with the latest polls trumpeted on Drudge etc. saying that Bush/Repugs are making a comeback?

Posted by: Neil' on September 19, 2006 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

You did this great job here!
http://www.saeon.ac.za/portal_memberdata/portraits/ant#viagra
[url=http://www.saeon.ac.za/portal_memberdata/portraits/ant#viagra]order viagra[/url]
order viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 19, 2006 at 5:29 PM | PERMALINK

Please, visit my links and dont remove it.
http://video.ikit.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/jad#viagra
[url=http://video.ikit.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/jad#viagra]generic viagra[/url]
generic viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 19, 2006 at 6:22 PM | PERMALINK

Take care of it and keep it on the road!
http://www.ukcle.ac.uk/vle/portal_memberdata/portraits/doc#cialis
[url=http://www.ukcle.ac.uk/vle/portal_memberdata/portraits/doc#cialis]buy cialis[/url]
buy cialis

Posted by: Cialis on September 19, 2006 at 6:40 PM | PERMALINK

Good site you done here,man.
http://www.okec.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/iro#viagra
[url=http://www.okec.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/iro#viagra]cheap viagra[/url]
cheap viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 19, 2006 at 9:10 PM | PERMALINK

I want to say - thank you for this !!!
http://www.letsgetready.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/iba#viagra
[url=http://www.letsgetready.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/iba#viagra]order viagra[/url]
order viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 19, 2006 at 9:33 PM | PERMALINK

Very interesting site. Hope it will always be alive!
http://www2.idea.leeds.ac.uk/portal_memberdata/portraits/biv#viagra
[url=http://www2.idea.leeds.ac.uk/portal_memberdata/portraits/biv#viagra]viagra online[/url]
viagra online

Posted by: Viagra on September 19, 2006 at 9:41 PM | PERMALINK

A recap, part 1 With Digital ID World in the books as a success, I always like to take a look back at "what I learned." As an organizer of the conference, Digital ID World is always a whirlwind experience for me, but I find that as I look back

Posted by: Johanson on September 20, 2006 at 12:57 AM | PERMALINK

It is the coolest site,keep so!
http://www.smelearning.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/red#viagra
[url=http://www.smelearning.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/red#viagra]viagra online[/url]
viagra online

Posted by: Viagra on September 20, 2006 at 5:23 AM | PERMALINK

I never visit this site before.
http://shikora.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/dot#viagra
[url=http://shikora.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/dot#viagra]order viagra[/url]
order viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 20, 2006 at 10:44 AM | PERMALINK

All good stuff here, on your page!
http://www.biomasa.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/ane#viagra
[url=http://www.biomasa.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/ane#viagra]order viagra[/url]
order viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 20, 2006 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

My dear web designer, it is nice.
http://www.archipedia.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/af#viagra
[url=http://www.archipedia.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/af#viagra]generic viagra[/url]
generic viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 20, 2006 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

I think it was best site i ever visit.
http://www.indianink.net/forums/Tips/posts/6974.html#viagra
[url=http://www.indianink.net/forums/Tips/posts/6974.html#viagra]buy viagra[/url]
buy viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 20, 2006 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

You can also visit my page.
http://www.thewildrose.net/anyboard9/forum/posts/13164.html#viagra
[url=http://www.thewildrose.net/anyboard9/forum/posts/13164.html#viagra]generic viagra[/url]
generic viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 20, 2006 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

Everybody loves your guestbook,so do i.
http://www.tbihome.org/cgi-bin/mindmenders/mindmenders.pl?read=8837#viagra
[url=http://www.tbihome.org/cgi-bin/mindmenders/mindmenders.pl?read=8837#viagra]order viagra[/url]
order viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 20, 2006 at 9:52 PM | PERMALINK

Let me know if you see my link here?
http://www.tbihome.org/cgi-bin/mindmenders/mindmenders.pl?read=8838#cialis
[url=http://www.tbihome.org/cgi-bin/mindmenders/mindmenders.pl?read=8838#cialis]cialis online[/url]
cialis online

Posted by: Cialis on September 21, 2006 at 12:18 AM | PERMALINK

Hello, very useful- thank you! Please also visit my homepages.
http://www.ncr.vt.edu/portal_memberdata/portraits/ace#cialis
[url=http://www.ncr.vt.edu/portal_memberdata/portraits/ace#cialis]generic cialis[/url]
generic cialis

Posted by: Cialis on September 21, 2006 at 2:11 AM | PERMALINK

Wow , can't forget this best design.
http://www.indianink.net/forums/Tips/posts/6975.html#cialis
[url=http://www.indianink.net/forums/Tips/posts/6975.html#cialis]buy cialis[/url]
buy cialis

Posted by: Cialis on September 21, 2006 at 2:26 AM | PERMALINK

Good website and nice content. Thank you master!!!
http://socialjustice.ekduniya.net/portal_memberdata/portraits/dag#viagra
[url=http://socialjustice.ekduniya.net/portal_memberdata/portraits/dag#viagra]buy viagra[/url]
buy viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 21, 2006 at 2:28 AM | PERMALINK

Hey, I have some links here,thanks.
http://www.ncr.vt.edu/portal_memberdata/portraits/ak#viagra
[url=http://www.ncr.vt.edu/portal_memberdata/portraits/ak#viagra]generic viagra[/url]
generic viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 21, 2006 at 2:31 AM | PERMALINK

You did this great job here!
http://www.think.ubc.ca/Members/gan/gan.html#viagra
[url=http://www.think.ubc.ca/Members/gan/gan.html#viagra]generic viagra[/url]
generic viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 21, 2006 at 7:43 AM | PERMALINK

I want to thank your page,it good!
http://jxfs.net/jxfsPortal/portal_memberdata/portraits/ch#viagra
[url=http://jxfs.net/jxfsPortal/portal_memberdata/portraits/ch#viagra]cheap viagra[/url]
cheap viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 21, 2006 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

Take care of it and keep it on the road!
http://noticeboard.calimera.org/calimera/Members/na/So/de/m.html#viagra
[url=http://noticeboard.calimera.org/calimera/Members/na/So/de/m.html#viagra]generic viagra[/url]
generic viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 21, 2006 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

Very interesting site. Hope it will always be alive!
http://www.sandraschmid.com/portal_memberdata/portraits/bun#viagra
[url=http://www.sandraschmid.com/portal_memberdata/portraits/bun#viagra]buy viagra[/url]
buy viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 21, 2006 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

I want to say - thank you for this !!!
http://makethecut.ca/portal_memberdata/portraits/as#viagra
[url=http://makethecut.ca/portal_memberdata/portraits/as#viagra]generic viagra[/url]
generic viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 21, 2006 at 7:28 PM | PERMALINK

Nice good site,dont let it go away.
http://www.tregate.it/portal_memberdata/portraits/des#cialis
[url=http://www.tregate.it/portal_memberdata/portraits/des#cialis]buy cialis[/url]
buy cialis

Posted by: Cialis on September 21, 2006 at 11:46 PM | PERMALINK

Good site you done here,man.
http://portlandploneusers.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/al#cialis
[url=http://portlandploneusers.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/al#cialis]buy cialis[/url]
buy cialis

Posted by: Cialis on September 22, 2006 at 2:09 AM | PERMALINK

Please, visit my links and dont remove it.
http://www.asherons.net/Members/hen/hen.html#viagra
[url=http://www.asherons.net/Members/hen/hen.html#viagra]cheap viagra[/url]
cheap viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 22, 2006 at 2:46 AM | PERMALINK

I never visit this site before.
http://www.tigerstripedev.net/portal_memberdata/portraits/afa#viagra
[url=http://www.tigerstripedev.net/portal_memberdata/portraits/afa#viagra]viagra online[/url]
viagra online

Posted by: Viagra on September 22, 2006 at 2:48 AM | PERMALINK

It is the coolest site,keep so!
http://portal.architexturez.org/site/Members/any/any.html#viagra
[url=http://portal.architexturez.org/site/Members/any/any.html#viagra]buy viagra online[/url]
buy viagra online

Posted by: Viagra on September 22, 2006 at 2:49 AM | PERMALINK

Thank you for your work!
http://zope06.v.servelocity.net/hjs/portal_memberdata/portraits/ger#viagra
[url=http://zope06.v.servelocity.net/hjs/portal_memberdata/portraits/ger#viagra]buy viagra[/url]
buy viagra

Posted by: Viagra on September 22, 2006 at 5:51 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

Read Jonathan Rowe remembrance and articles
Email Newsletter icon, E-mail Newsletter icon, Email List icon, E-mail List icon Sign up for Free News & Updates

Advertise in WM



buy from Amazon and
support the Monthly