what a dick!

Maybe they were all just quoting the Pope saying it, rather than saying it themselves.

Ah, doesn't this bring back memories of Sam Skinner, Reagan's HUD secretary? Some of us remember that Skinner oversaw tens of billions of tax dollars that just disappeared into crony contracts.

And yet, despite such service to the Republican cause, Reagan wandered up to Skinner at one cabinet meeting, thrust out his hand and said, "I'm so glad you could make it here today, Mr. Mayor!"

I have a dozen sources that tell me that Jackson will be indicted within the week!

Jackson is claiming the report exonerates him because no one can prove that any federal contracts were ever handed out based on political affiliation. They just talked about it. And, you know, they were just joshing anyway, politico to politico.

Of course they were just jokes. What's the problem with making jokes? Liberals Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart make joke all the time about conservatives. Why can't conservatives make jokes about liberals? Jackson was just doing political satire just like Colbert and Stewart do. The only difference is Jackson is actually funny. I guess that's why liberals hate him so much and are making baseless accusations of corruption against him.

Republicans don't go to jail. They just cry on TV, then retire to lucrative speaking engagements.

It's too late for facts to save you now, Thomas1. I have truthiness on my side.

One wonders what point Charlie thinks he's making when he posts stuff like the 12:30 number. It's as though he opens a thread, goes, "All right! New post! What can I say that's contradictory?" and then slaps up whatever limp-dicked rebuttal first pops into his oxygen-starved head.

Jackson is claiming the report exonerates him because no one can prove that any federal contracts were ever handed out based on political affiliation. They just talked about it. And, you know, they were just joshing anyway, politico to politico.

So Jackson's defense is that he was only planning and contemplating a pattern of ongoing criminal behavior....isn't there a name for that kind of activity...something like, I don't know, criminal conspiracy?

what a dick! You're just joshing, right?

He's kidding right ?

Democrats pretend to do something for poor people while Republicans just write themselves checks. Let's try that again. Democrats spend the money building "planned slums" while the Republicans just steal the money. That was the theme of a documentary I saw on the History channel.

They spent the firs 55 minutes of an hour long program going over all the wasted money spent by Democrats in the big cities, Chicago was used as an example, where the beneficiaries immediately trashed their new free homes. Within a short period of time those homes were condemnable. At the end of all that they said, "The HUD Regan Republicans spent nothing on low cost housing but spent identically the same amount of money by paying themselves huge bonuses for doing such a good job saving the tax payer's money."

Only the brain dead watched that program and didn't end wanting to slit their wrists. I personally ended up agreeing with Andy Rooney who said, "we don't need better schools and teachers. What we need is better students" a clear hint that there might be something wrong with the beneficiaries of all that government help and that was the place to start fixing things.

Democrats at least tried is another way of saying all the above. That's a start to doing something worth the money once the source of the problem is identified. Trying is a base from which to launch a successful, really worth the money effort. Just stealing the money can never help anyone other than the thief who must live with self.

None of this ever happened. This was just an "alternative" method of awarding contracts. We got all kind of alternative methods out there.

You mean like "Duke" Cunningham? Oh, that's right, he's serving an 8-year prison term.

He'll be pardoned any time now, and then, like Oliver North, he'll retire to a life of telling people he stole stuff because he loves his country so much - oh, and that will be $50,000 please.

And he did cry on TV.

This just once again proves my point that global warming isn't really happening, and anyway it's all a natural occurence and not the fault of mankind.

thomas1
By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations.

So Clinton's 61 don't look so bad, eh?

BGone -

PJ O'Rourke said it best:
"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."

FYI,

HUD is one of those federal agencies that doles out wya more grant money than contract money. Far more agency discretion is allowed in awarding grants, which do not fall under the Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR).

Alonzo must be forgetting the distinction -- steer the grants to GOP supporters, let the contract process play out.

Look at what Pelosi and some other Democrats are saying about Chavez today. The Democrats have apparently just looked around them and realized exactly who's standing next to them.

Sovietizing of US procurement is the goal of the Republican political commissars.

The Sovietizing of science, through the ovesight of young Republican commissars in their first real jobs at NASA, has been completed.

The next goal of the Republican political commissars is to purge all military officers who do not adhere to the ideology of Cheney.

Look, it's Hugo Chavez! Boogie man! BOOGA BOOGA SCARY SCARY!

The poster "rmck1" is a dick, too, AND a SOCK Puppet!

"Evidence of SockPuppet Activity"

"More evidence"

Rangel shouldn't presume to speak for all Americans

Hugo Chavez: (sic)". . .Bush is the devil. . ."
Ahmadinijad: ". . . the great satan. . ."
George W Bush: ". . . axis of evil. . ."

See a difference?

I don't.

I am an American who does not feel under attack or offended when a foreigner criticizes George Bush. Charles Rangel should quit trying to speak for all Americans, and Thomas should quit trying to speak for Charlie.

Good to see what the Chavez Democrats are doing today. Maybe they can use Cathy Bates in their campaign to gain congress saying,
"George Bush is the debil!"

Chavez and Amajenaddud are both voting Democrat this year. And they can because no ID is required to vote when heading to a polling place run by Democrats.

I think the precise definition of "sock puppet" is when a blogger pretends to be someone else on his own blog. Everyone else is just an alias.

For example, hard as it may be to believe, I am actually not Kermit the Frog. Although I am actually made out of a sock. Hey, I just noticed: my ass looks like an elbow!

but the rest of us do not want to see the President of the United States (regardless of party) assassinated

Trolly, the bit you quoted from Rangel didn't say anything about "assassination" - it said "criticize", "condemn" and "offend".

These horror stories are not that different from those we read Sunday coming from Baghdad. Letting O'Bierne run the occupation as a political operation was just an extension of Rovism to the foreign-policy arena. (As was, also quite consequentially, render FEMA incompetent to do its job.)

Hey cleek, do you agree with Chavez?

And they can because no ID is required to vote when heading to a polling place run by Democrats.

golly, i wonder what that county-issued voter ID card is doing in my wallet ?

Hey cleek, do you agree with Chavez?

i think Bush is a dick, and probably smells bad, too. other than that, i doubt Chavez and I have much in common.

I am glad Chavez talked all that smack.

He just made it that much less likely that Venezuela will get that temp seat on the UNSC.

cleek - Chavez thinks Bush is evil. Do you?

Chavez hates Bush and it sounds like you do too. That is quite a bit in common.

If that is really from Rangel, he is being an idiot.

You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not.

Has Bush ever criticized a foreign leader? Why, yes. So can Bush expect not to be criticized by foreigners, including foreign leaders? No, he can't.

Orwell, why don't you go visit Room 101 with your other Republican friends?

And they can because no ID is required to vote when heading to a polling place run by Democrats.

And blacks couldn't vote in Republican precints even with an ID because they had been illegaly purged from the voter rolls by Republican "consultants."

No cmdicely, Rangel is wise as well as following a well established tradition in our body politic.

The vast unwashed middle of the American society more than likely sees Chavez’s remarks as being crude and offensive. Liberal Dems need to not be in the line of fire this close to an election.

Bush is not the devil. Cheney is.

P.S. to cleek -- you have made it very clear you want Bush assassinated.

oy. what a fucking tool you are.

cleek - Chavez thinks Bush is evil. Do you?

i think Bush is tragically incompetent, inept, misguided, corrupt and likely criminal. but i wouldn't say "evil". i prefer to reserve that word for things that can't be explained by greed, lust for power, and idiocy.

Chavez hates Bush and it sounds like you do too. That is quite a bit in common.

actually, it's not. one data point is pretty much the opposite of "quite a bit in common". in fact, it's only one data point away from being the empty set.

Hostile-

What you got against the Soviets? At least they had sense enought to see it was a failed system. Try comparing the GOP to the mafia. It's a much better fit.

Don Chaney, Godfather, absolute dictator decide who will get what contract, all are qualified as long as they are a subsidiary of Halliburton or make enormous contributions through the Abramoff Indian relief fund.

You want "facts" then craigie? Don't forget during Clinton's terms (only the 2nd President in U.S. history to be impeached), there were a total of 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges; 47 individuals and businesses associated with Clinton were convicted of, or pleaded guilty to, crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself; 14 persons were imprisoned; at least 2 died under mysterious circumstances. That doesn't even cover Sandy Berger's guilty pleas afterwards ; )

Complete lie. Total and utter bullshit, and the poster cannot back this claim up with any cites.

Out of those working at cabinet level or above, or working directly in the Clinton White House, none -- that is, zero, zip, zilch, nada, niente -- were indicted, convicted, pardoned or even forced to resign over improper action in the performance of their official duties.

Here's a rundown, provided before by, I believe, Bartcop:

Reagan administration era convictions in the Iran-contra scandal: 14 (two overturned on appeal)

Reagan officials convicted for illegal lobbying: 2 (Lyn Nofziger, White House political director, convicted to 30 days and $30,000 fine, overturned on appeal; Michael Deaver, White House deputy chief of staff, convicted and $100,000, given probation.)

Reagan officials convicted in Housing and Urban Development department scandal: 16

Total Reagan era convictions: 32

Bush I pardons of those indicted and/or convicted of Iran-contra crimes:

7 (5 had been convicted, one was about to receive his sentence, and one, Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger was about to stand trial)

Number of charges in untried indictment (pardoned) of Weinberger: 5

The Vindication of the Clinton Administration

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with Whitewater: 0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with Travel Office allegations: 0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with alleged abuse of FBI files: 0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/of convicted in connection with Lewinsky matter: 0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Interior Secretary Bruce Babbit: 0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Labor Secretary Alexis Herman: 0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Americorps director Eli Siegal: 0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown: 0 (Investigation abandoned upon Brown’s death in nation’s service)

Clinton Administration officials convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Agriculture Secretary Michael Espy: 0 (Espy acquitted of all charges. Judge sharply rebukes Independent Counsel Donald Smaltz for bringing case in the first place.)

Other:

HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for misstating to the F.B.I.
the amount of money he gave his girlfriend;

Assistant Attorney-General Webster Hubbell convicted of embezzling funds from Rose Law Firm
before his federal appointment; that is, stealing from his law partners, including Hillary Rodham Clinton;

Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker, a political rival of Bill Clinton’s, convicted on charges involving local television licensing, and nothing at all to do with Clinton;

Jim and Susan McDougal, convicted of crimes in Whitewater matter. In summation to the court,
Independent Counsel declares that President Clinton is innocent of wrongdoing.

You want me to post them all again?

i would love that. let me know when you're done.

you were happy to see that "documentary" film of Bush's assassination, weren't you?

i didn't see it. but from what i heard, i thought it was a stupid idea, one likely to do more to engorge the already-overused imaginations of wingnuts than anything else.

So Clinton's 61 don't look so bad, eh?

There were no 61 indicments, etc. of Clinton personnel. It's simply a Republican lie. Stop falling for Thomas1's lies without checking them out first.

>Are you threatening me, cleek?

since i know this site won't let you post two replies in the same minute, at least one of those two Thomas1's at 2:21 are fake.

and, since there's no way anything i've said here could be taken as a threat... i'll assume this was the fake.

The interesting thing is Bush only has himself to blame for Chavez and his antics. In fact, we can see in the actions of the Bush admin in 2001 the blue print for the inadequacies of the Bush junta that we are now experiencing in spades today.

It was foolish for Bush to be involved in the coup attempt against Chavez in 2001. Once involved, it is unforgivable that they did not see it through to a successful end.

If you strike the king, you must kill the king. This is a rule as old as human government.

I'm tend to be a lurker rather than a poster, and I'm not that familiar with this Thomas1 fellow--he seems to have started posting very frequently just a week or so ago--but he really isn't worth an ounce of our time from what I've read.

He attacked Biting Beaver yesterday based on her appearance for God's sake. He's an anonymous coward with the intellectual sophistication of a three-year-old. Toss anything he says in the rubbish bin from here on out.

I agree with both President Ahmadinejad and President Chavez that the Security Council of the UN is a coercive tool created to enforce US hegemony on the rest of the world.

President Ahmadinejad's scathing criticism of the UN was well crafted and accurate, as was President Chavez'. President Bush's speech, on the other hand, was nothing but lies.

My only regret is that Chavez had to make fun of Bush's and Reagan's 'evil' rhetoric in his speech because it distracts from the real issues of why the Security Council is unable to protect nation-states from the military aggression of the US and its allies. The US led coup in Venezuela received no official UN rebuke. The Israeli demolition of Beirut, with US gifted weapons, received no official rebuke from the UN. Etc., etc., etc. The UN is a failure at protecting the self-determination of countries the US desires to dominate.

The sulphur comment was hilarious, however it would have been better had Chavez only mentioned it at a news conference. The joke is not understood by Americans, many of whom buy into the evil rhetoric as long as it demonizes well propagandized enemies/victims, and gives them reason to ignore the substance of his speech.

Reagan called the Soviet Union the 'evil empire.' Condemn that bastard.

Wow. Guess that explains what the hold up is in getting money to Louisiana to rebuild after Hurricane Katrina hit...

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it." - George Orwell

I think a certain Christianist poster here should find a new username...

"I'm tend to be a lurker rather than a poster, and I'm not that familiar with this Thomas1 fellow--he seems to have started posting very frequently just a week or so ago--but he really isn't worth an ounce of our time from what I've read."

Most of what you're reading is probably fake. A standard technique here when the arguments start to get a bit hard to refute is to start posting crap under the other person's name until the discussion collapses. It's easier than answering the arguments.

I'm tend to be a lurker rather than a poster, and I'm not that familiar with this Thomas1 fellow--he seems to have started posting very frequently just a week or so ago--but he really isn't worth an ounce of our time from what I've read.

Actually, he's been posting for years, but switches his handle every few months for the sake of (im)plausible deniability (for example, when I once exposed his claim to be a Gulf War vet). He started posting years ago as "Charlie," so that's why we all call him that.

But no, not worth an ounce of time. And also quite insane.

you might like this, about the culture of corruption.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001579.php

I agree with both President Ahmadinejad and President Chavez that the Security Council of the UN is a coercive tool created to enforce US hegemony on the rest of the world.
...
President Ahmadinejad's scathing criticism of the UN was well crafted and accurate, as was President Chavez'. President Bush's speech, on the other hand, was nothing but lies.

Apparently Nancy Pelosi and Charles Rangel disagree with you.

craigie: Republicans don't go to jail.

thomas1: You mean like "Duke" Cunningham? Oh, that's right, he's serving an 8-year prison term.

craigie: I have truthiness on my side.

one: One wonders what point Charlie thinks he's making when he posts stuff like the 12:30 number.

One, it isn't that hard to figure out. Craigie wrote a false anti-Republican insult and thomas1 showed that it was false.

the comment by thomas1 about Jefferson and Mollohan was just a reminder that graft is bipartisan. It's a good thing to remember in election season. Hence my citation of the tpmmuckraker piece about Democratic pork and the likely graft of Murtha.

According to others, you can indeed post twice under the same name at the same time.

i'll try

trying again...

9 "Comment Submission Error" messages....

Apparently Nancy Pelosi and Charles Rangel disagree with you.

I am not a fan of Democratic politicians who voted to give Bush war powers. I would prefer they just become Republicans, which I consider them to be. Unfortunately, their election opponents are even worse scum than they are.

you can indeed post twice under the same name at the same time

so, no. you can't post two comments from the same IP address within the same minute. if you're posting from multiple computers, well, then you're even more pathetic than i could've ever guessed.

And, here are 2,000 of your posts

yep. i know how to find my posts. now you show me where i said i wanted Bush to be assassinated. take your time!

I gave you the link, cleek. I'm not going to post all of them again in one thread.

now show me where i said i wanted Bush assassinated - after all, you've claimed multiple times on this thread that i did. so, now that you know how to get all my posts in one place, it should be a simple matter of finding the specific posts that confirm your assertion. let's see your evidence.

put up or shut up.

put up or shut up

Put a boo boo near the cookie jar...

Nancy Pelosi: Leading Bush critic

On what frigging planet? The Nancy Pelosi that decided that no matter what the facts were, Bush shouldn't be held accountable for any wrongdoing for which he was responsible? Leading Bush enabler would be more accurate...

No cmdicely, Rangel is wise as well as following a well established tradition in our body politic.

Well, tactically wise perhaps, and, sure, hypocrisy and nationalistic pandering are well-established traditions.

But its still idiocy, even if its popular, traditional, conventional idiocy.

...any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State.

I'm not offended. Foreigners can come to our country and offend our Chief of State whenever they please. Why should Americans have all the fun?

The Rangel story is getting top billing at The Drudge Report.

Whoop-de-fucking-Doo. Maybe Coulter and Malkin can comment too.

That was the fake Thomas1 at 2:25 PM.

What's the difference?

...any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State.

My answer is, bring 'em on.

But its still idiocy, even if its popular, traditional, conventional idiocy.

Funny, that's the way I feel about the Popes, any of them.

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