Why should we care about ObL? George W doesn't!

Who cares about terrorism? Kids are learning to read without phonics! Man the battlements!

I believe bin Laden's been dead for quite some time – since the US bombing of mountain/cave redoubts in Afghanistan. Why no video attached to his “announcements” since? Couldn’t he, if alive, have appeared in a video without giving away any info on his location?

It seems the PR value of appearing in person, flouting US efforts to kill him, would be huge. Why the "audio-only" announcements?

Are his post-Afghanistan-War announcements fakes? Produced by (1) remnants of al Qaeda, or (2) other Islamist groups wanting to connect themselves to bin Laden, or (3) Western (or Middle Eastern) intelligence agencies.

Similar to the Pentagon’s propaganda campaign using Zarqawi, exposed by the Washington Post.

U.S. and Iraqi forces have captured a leader of Ansar al-Sunnah, the group behind the 2004 attack on a U.S. military mess hall that killed 22 people, the prime minister's office said Saturday.

Great news Kevin. I suspect the terrorist leader was caught with the help of the torture techniques that are legitimized in the McCain-Bush compromise anti-terrorism bill. This just gives another reason why torture should be completely legal and our soldiers in uniform should be taught how to properly torture prisoners so as to extract information to capture the terrorists. If torture had been illegal, the terrorist leader Ansar al-Sunnah would never have been caught. And many more American soldiers would've died if that had never happened.

The US having created hundreds of new ObL's in the past three years, it hardly matters now.

Osama who?

Al, your parodies are getting lamer and more over-the-top all the time. You're not even trying anymore.

Oh, well then we're all much "safer". Yawn.

Count me as one not holding my breath on this. But if it's true, the sudden shift from "The war on terror is a failure because we haven't gotten bin Laden yet" to "bin Laden is not important at all" is going to give a lot of leftists whiplash.

"The war on terror is a failure because we haven't gotten bin Laden yet"

If only that were the only reason it is a failure.

Rumors of bin Laden's death have been greatly exaggerated.

However...

American democracy is moribund and being rapidly replaced with a type of government best described by the word REPUGNOCRACY.

Think of REPUGNOCRACY this way-- It is the antonym of MERITOCRACY.

(Coming to dictionaries everywhere... soon.)

It's true. I just saw him in the McDonalds with Elvis. He was ordering a halalburger with extra onions.

As for the big guy himself, wait and see.

Could this be Karl Rove's "October Surprise" that he's been promising the GOP faithful? What better way to show the masses that, despite all evidence of their general incompetence, the Republicans are the Only Ones Who Know How to Protect America?

Misinformation in Ben Laden, designed to smoke him out a bit. The military does this all the time.

Hooray, the Republicans! They get to take credit for Osama bin Laden dying of natural causes: old age and a broken heart. That was their strategy all along. 9/11 was just a desperate cry for attention and the administration responded appropriately by ignoring him. For an attention whore like bin Laden, the inattention eventually proved fatal.

Hooray for the Republicans!

That's also their strategy for dealing with poverty and lack of health care in the united states. Ignore it long enough, and the poor and the sick will eventually die, too. Problem solved.

Hooray for the Republicans!

Now lets see if we can ignore Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan long enough...

Count me as one not holding my breath on this. But if it's true, the sudden shift from "The war on terror is a failure because we haven't gotten bin Laden yet" to "bin Laden is not important at all" is going to give a lot of leftists whiplash.
Posted by: rnc

bin laden had significantly more stature in 2001 than he does now, and his capture then would have been much more meaningful. indeed, the failure to get him after 5 years IS a failure of republican leadership on this issue.

nevertheless, repubs have criminally magnified their mismanagement by illegally invading iraq, bogging down our troops in an unwinnable quagmire, and creating numerous more terorrists and imitators.

bin laden's capture today is significantly less meaningful ... but still worthwhile.

Nads, how's your neck?

Bin Laden was out of reach of anything except robot planes the minute he holed up in Pakistan, and Pakistan decided for whatever reason that it wasn't going to go to the trouble of getting him themselves.

Speaking of drones, anybody know the date of that photograph of the big Taliban funeral?

Sorry, but I just can't help myself:

I am not dead yet
I can dance and I can sing
I am not dead yet
I can do the highland fling
I am not dead yet
No need to go to bed
No need to call the doctor
'Cos I'm not yet dead

my neck is fine ... I'm not of the party which is constantly attempting to justify selling arms to both sides of a war, or constantly switching rationale to justify invading another country, or arming a murderous ally and watching him fly 2 planes into our buildings 20 years later. blowback's a bitch.

I find my position of not installing middle east firendly puppets and attempting to control their natural resources entirely conscienable and consistent.

Kevin probably has his heart in the right place, and probably should be credited for even printing this, but he just can't bring himself to call it good news or rejoice in the accomplishment.

nothing could be worse for the republicans than for bin laden to be dead, especially of causes not of US making. In decending order of preference for the bushliar-criminal and republicans the order is:

1) Bin Laden alive and making threatening tapes - best case
2) Bin Laden captured by US actions
3) Bin Laden captured without US involvement
4) Bin Laden dead by US actions
5) Bin Laden dead by non-US action
6) Bin Laden dead by unrelated causes such as typhoid.

if Bin Laden being dead is true, it would throw unka karl's sinister plans for the mid-terms into a tizzy.

A pity we didn't bomb his funeral when we had his commanders all together.

7) Bin Laden killed by a wayward bag of California spinach

sa rose, there's also an Osama bin Python version:

I am not dead yet
I can rant and I can rave.
I am not dead yet
I can whistle in my cave.
I am not dead yet
I'm just waiting in a cove,
Cause I will not kick the bucket
Till it suits Karl Rove.

exlib, was that spam?

 
Could the suppressed news of Osama's ¿death? have been the reason Bush was in such a hurry to get the torture bill passed now -- knowing that once the news got out, there'd be less war-on-terror panic to support giving Bush everything he wants?

And if it was going to be Rove's October Surprise... what an utterly unprincipled exploitation of national security matters for partisan poliical advantage!

But not the least bit surprising, is it?
 

capture or death of Bin Laden is not unka karl's October surprise - that's the bombing of Iran.
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So. What?

Why, oh why, do people persist, despite all the evidence the contrary, that somehow killing the leaders of these organizations is somehow going to eliminate or even reduce the violence?

When will we realize we're not fighting an army, but rather an idea (resistance to US economic-military domination of the Middle East)?

Probably because that takes some introspection, some honesty, and a willingness to change. We'd rather believe that if we just kill the right person, the problem will go away. Yeah. Just like with Zarkawi, Hussein, and Bin Laden's endless parade of "top lieutenants."

If OBL is dead, then I'm worried. We have always been at war with Oceana and now we are going to need a new -- and probably Iranian -- enemy.

I've told you all before that Bin Laden died years ago. Why don't you just listen to me or drown in your own blood, you goddamned loser liberals?

"A pity we didn't bomb his funeral when we had his commanders all together."

It seems that photo was taken in July, which doesn't match the supposed August time of Osama's death.

Osama is tits up and six feet under - count on it. Bush probably has Musharraf and most of our Special Forces looking for the grave. Once they find it, they will exhume bin Laden and trot out the corpse for some photo ops, just like they did with Al-Zarqawi. Then, the Bushies will take credit for snuffing the slimeball, even though they really had nothing to do with it. This will be the October Surprise that Karl Rove has promised to the GOP red meat crowd.

It's not like we haven't been here before...

Personally, I thought Osama died years ago.

Isn't this guy bin Laden's No. 2?

Yeah.. Just how many "Number 2 Lieutenants" did al Qae'da have, anyway?

Wait and see?

Wait and see what?

You're expecting a body?

Bin Laden dying of natural causes while a free man doesn't sound much like justice to me. People are crazy if they thinks this helps Bush.

I also agree it doesn't matter for terrorism purposes whether bin Laden is alive or dead. Al Qaeda is now a brand, and Osama is their spiritual leader.

Unstable Isotope - Now there is a screen name I shoulda thought of!

And tomorrow or the next day or sometime after that another baddie will pull off another big attack and he will be elevated and reviled and one day he will be caught but not before someone else one day or sometime after that...

George Bush is an idiot and a criminal and has no business anywhere near the level of power of your basic AC outlet let alone the US government.

Thanks Kevin for the original story. It is good to finally see someone that can at least mention something good, instead of people that refuse to acknowledge anything that our soldiers and government seem to do right.
It is strange that I spent so many years voting Democrat, seeing how they act and talk nowadays I would be terrified to have them in charge of keeping the country safe.

Wake up America
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/

What do our soldiers and government have to do with bin Laden dying of typhoid, Sue?

Embrace the fear Sue. Give over to the fear. Fear is security. Say it with me - Fear is security.

And we at war with Oceana.

What a moron. You don't seserve freedom or security if you think that a few fanatics can effectively mount a threat that could harm large numbers of Americans.

Nobody was this scared, pissing in their boots about the prospect of Nuclear Holocaust when we faced a capable adversary. The Soviet Union didn't scare you into abdicating your liberty, but a few swarthy fanatics in caves with a nartyrdom complex and you are atwitter.

Idiot.

I bet they have a martyrdom complex, too.

Global,
Wish we'd hear from more Greatest Generation types on this stuff. They must be flabbergasted when they hear the chickenhawks squawking about "how hard it is" to defeat such ferocious enemies—especually when they licked Hitler, Tojo and Mussolini in less than four years.

Oh well: history is bunk and facts are stupid things.

My father-in-law is retired from a defense contractor, and he was a combat Marine in Korea. He vote for Bush twice, but did so the second time because "I wanted to see the little prick clean up his own mess."

Now, when someone mentions Bush, he gets a dark look on his face and he says some really brutal things; things only a Marine who has killed and been fired on could say, and I certainly will not post them. (I look terrible in orange.)

And Cheney? "That fat rat bastard should be hung from a yardarm."

We have plenty to say about this administration, but the fear-mongering thundering originated with my father-in-law. He is nonplussed by the sniveling cowardice that this administration embodies and the electorate has embraced.

Sue: Take your cowardly straw man bullshit elsewhere. One thread up she's claiming Iraq had WMD. Go back to the trailer park you silly cunt.

How important was this guy if he is described as 'a leader.' I will withhold judgement until Iraqi forces capture the 8th number two leader.

"...that magical combination of perseverance, dedication and competence..."

And goodness, and specialness too?

Nixon was of the GI Generation, and so was Uncle Joe McCarthy.

I admire that generation because my grandfather (who gave me my namesake, which ain't Linus) managed to bag a girl before she was old enough to cook mash, which is quite young in the state of Kentucky. They made him go into the Army, where he managed to get himself shot despite the fact that no one was at war at the time.

The Losts were the brains behind the thing. They were the beauracrats and policy wonks who engineered the New Deal, the military brass who devised our strategy for victory in the Second World War, and the ones who envisioned the post-War international order (not to mention the strategy of containment that ultimately won the Cold War). That they didn't ask for or get much credit for their world-historical accomplishments, and let all that honor fall upon the kids in the trenches and the junior staffers who would one day become eminent statesmen, is a testament to their decency and humility.

Sue is our own concern troll. That's so nice.
Voted Democrat until the voices in her head made her pee her pants, apparently.
We democrats love the constitution and the country. I am sorry if that empowers people and makes them think they can change things for the better.

No generation is better than any other--it is all about who we allow to be shouted down, kicked into the gutter, or leave without hope.

Yay though we walk through the valley of the shadow of death, we will fear no evil. That is the Psalm of our times, and is anti-Rovian.

If Bin Laden is really dead as a result of illness, and not as a result of America's hamfisted and extraordinarily costly intervention in the Middle East, it really puts the waste in Iraq and Afganistan in perspective for those still clinging to the belief there was a connection between 9/11 and Saddam or that Bushites were good on terrorism.

If the report of OBL death proves to be true, it is worst possible news for the hapless cronyistic Bush administration and only burnishes the prospects of the Dems to win contested midterm elections. I am crossing my fingers that this time the reports of his death are not exagerrated in the least.

The Soviet Union didn't scare you into abdicating your liberty, but a few swarthy fanatics in caves with a nartyrdom complex and you are atwitter.

The Soviet Union didn't actually take out a piece of Manhattan and Washington D.C. in a surprise attack.

Somehow people keep overlooking this little event. It does change ones views on perceived threats.

Remember KAL Flight 007? Remember how tense things got? Imagine if the Soviets had done that on purpose, bragged about it later, and said they would do it again if they could.

Wish we'd hear from more Greatest Generation types on this stuff. They must be flabbergasted when they hear the chickenhawks squawking about "how hard it is" to defeat such ferocious enemies—especually when they licked Hitler, Tojo and Mussolini in less than four years.

If we were using the same tactics and weapons we used in WWII, this war would have been over a hell of a lot sooner, too. From these tactics, in Europe and Japan, about six million civilians died from direct military actions. Maybe you need a history refresher.

Isn't it pretty obvious???

Elections are coming up.

Gas prices are down.

hmmmm.......

Who cares, Kevin? What does it matter if we capture Elmer Osama Hamoud Fudd or Donald al-Mussawi Duck? Like the Sorcerer's Apprentice, kill one and two more pop up. The only thing of consequence that happens is Krauthammer gets to beat his chest for five minutes, then it's on the trail of the next bogeyman, while our absolute faith in killing as solver of all problems pushes us deeper and deeper into the Mideast mire of hatred and revenge.

Rumors of Elvis's death have been greatly exxxagerated.

I have to secon what Sparko said up-thread a bit. On the morning of November 8th, 1941, all of the men in my fathers Senior class in high school were given their diplomas. Of those men who received their diplomas in the gym, and every last one of them boarded a schoolbus for the recruiting station that was coming to the county seat later that day. Two would die in the conflict (one of them my husbands uncle) and three would make the military their careers; one of those three was my father.

I take nothing away from my fathers generation. I am proud to be The Chief's daughter. I always have been and I always will be, even if it would have broke his heart I married a Flyboy.

That said, I am really tired of being treated like shit because I was born in 1962 insead of 1926. Who the hell thinks that we would't have done the same thing in those circumstnces? Don't compare now with then, it isn't the same, so we are not even gouing to build that straw-man.

I know a lot of people my age, and we are not the selfish pricks we are made out to be. Supposedly the Eighties was the "Me" decade, and we were sometimes self-indulgent in our youth, but we are not alone. In that club, we have plenty of company.

U bekieve we would have stepped up. You may believe differently, and that is your right, but the bottom line is you don't know for certain, and you have no way

(Now I'm ging to go try that sleep thing again. Goodnight all.)

Global Citizen:

Actually, not to disparage in any way your post, according to the man who coined the term, Tom Wolfe, in his essay The Me Decade, that refers to the 70s, not the 80s. The 80s were the beginning of the cultural backlash from it.

I agree that it's eminiently silly to label generations, as if they were unitary things. I think some of the resentment against the baby boomers (and like yourself, I'm a tail-ender) is just that there are so many of them that they tended to define whole eras. Their misspent youth characterized the 60s and 70s. Their handle on (an occasionally overreactive) adult maturity the 80s (remember the TV show thirtysomething?), their peak earning years the booming 90s and now, on the verge of retirement, it's a little scary because they're depending on much smaller working cohorts to support them.

The boomers are an incredibly *lucky* generation, of that there's no doubt. They faced Vietnam, not WW2 and Korea. They grew up in unparalleled prosperity, and enjoyed a young adulthood that had thrown off all kinds of social conventions in the name of an ethic of personal liberation, the privilege of only aristocracy in centuries past. And their turn to adulthood and family drove a cultural reaction they could bask in as affirmation of lessons learned in youthful self-indulgence.

Nobdoy chooses when they were born, or the historical challenges they have to face, or bullets they dodge compared to other generations. Nobody's generation can be used as an excuse or an explanation for their character. But it's not out of place to be humble about the gifts our birth in that magical stretch of Pax Americana bestowed on us.

We have a tremendous amount to be thankful for as boomers. And I think that's enough to remember in these silly intra-generational squabbles.

Bob

I guess rnc forgot about a little incident called Pearl Harbor. Is that a surprise? Republicans hold on to power by either misreading or completely forgetting history. Did they ask Great Britian wether occupying Iraq was a good idea?

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Elvis nothin' -
He's playing ping-pong in a secret old folks home in central texas with JFK.

mhr....

so when comparing actual results between clinton and bush...

are you saying that....

a b-j from an intern might actually be an improvement in gwb's war on terror?...

Here's a pertinent joke:

Aide to Bush: Mr. President, I've got good news. Bin Laden is dead.

Bush: That's great news.

Aide: Now the bad news sir, he's died of old age.

I just saw Elvis last night on Austin City Limits. We are talking about Elvis Costello, right? that is the only Elvis I own any music by.

The same people who are now screaming that Clinton didn't do enough then; are the same fucking people who screamed then that his efforts to rein in the terrorist threat were nothing more than thinly veiled attempts to draw attention away from the Lewinski matter, and Americans would not be fooled by it.

Take your Aricept, reich-wingers.

Spam particularly bad today ...

Anyway, put me in the "October Surprise" camp.

When I saw the headline, I knew it was true. The Saudis are the ones with the intelligence, but the US agencies must have somehow confirmed it and convinced the Saudis (thru Bandar Bush?) to hold the info.

Unka Karl guaranteed an October Surprise recently and bombing Iran isn't it (sorry) because THIS time, a unilateral attack on another country without a bomb won't fly.

Unfortunately (for Unka Karl) those darned French (enemies of America) spilled the beans just a LEETLE too early. And since the news didn't come from the US, it sort of dilutes the local election impact.

Left to their own devices, without the evil French stealing their thunder, the US would probably have taken the corpse, put a lot of bullets into it, and claimed to have killed the SOB.

OBF:

Wait -- isn't he in the Witness Protection Program (new government-issued American alias: Al Kida. A swarthy former HVAC technician) living in a rented split-level in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho?

You know -- a place where his views wouldn't seem so extreme :)

Bob

"Who knew that these people were going to save the world and then have a boatload of kids who would proceed to screw the world up real good trying to overcompensate for their shortcomings?"

Jason, your description of the WWII generation was so apt, and so heartfelt (in an honest, unsentimental way), I was surprised when you followed it with this knee-jerk generalization. The boomers who proceeded to screw things up have names like George and Karl—the guys who felt resentful of and left out by the sea change represented by the counterculture.

From my first-hand experience, the '60s left and the back-to-the land movement that followed when the Vietnam War dragged on and on (long after Nixon ran as the peace cabdidate, in 1968) consisted mostly of idealists who weren't overcompensating for anything but were trying to live out the notions of liberty and fellowship upon which our constition and country were built.

What's really screwed up, aside from high expectations that have been followed by apathy—or, more accuraetly, disbelief that it could really get this much worse than Nixon—is that we didn't get to put more of that into practice. The ozone layer and the Greenland Ice Shelf care little for these generational distinctions, and the people in charge today care little for them, or for our children and grandchildren. The Last Generation, as they may end up being called, if Dick "Other Priorities" Cheney and his pacemaker hold out.

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Suddenly, I feel like getting married and buying a house in another country.

At the very least, I feel like traveling.

But I share Mae West's views on marriage: "Marriage is an institution, and I'm not ready to be institutionalized."