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September 29, 2006
By: Kevin Drum

"BETTER TO NOT PUT THIS STUFF IN WRITING...." The House Government Reform Committee has released a bipartisan report on the Jack Abramoff scandal, including hundreds of emails between Abramoff and various GOP luminaries, including Karl Rove's assistant, Susan Ralston. And why not? Ralston used to work for Abramoff, after all.

You can see 'em all here. Mostly they seem to be obsessed with the giving and getting of skybox tickets to various sporting events, but Abramoff's bilking of Indian tribes and other clients is an ongoing favorite too. I haven't read the whole bunch, but I've reproduced my favorite exchange so far below. I wonder how many emails to "Susan's mc pager" didn't get into the White House system?

UPDATE: Or is it "Susan's rnc pager"? I can't tell.


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You've got to save stuff like this for Friday afternoon. Its classic.

Please remember that this is the "anti-government" party!

Ha!

Posted by: hank on September 29, 2006 at 6:41 PM | PERMALINK

Al we got problems

Posted by: Mann Coulter on September 29, 2006 at 6:44 PM | PERMALINK

Speaking as a lawyer who's seen a fair number of people undone by their private email messages, don't put "don't put this in writing..especially since there could be lawsuits" in writing....

Posted by: Stefan on September 29, 2006 at 6:44 PM | PERMALINK

Can you get my blue dress back from Karl or is he still using it.

Posted by: Monica on September 29, 2006 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK

This reminds of that SNL skit where Nixon was joking around the tape recorder in the oval office.

Too Funny!

Posted by: enozinho (wetorture.com) on September 29, 2006 at 6:48 PM | PERMALINK

CLINTONS FAULT, There Al I took care of this one for you.

Posted by: Monica on September 29, 2006 at 6:49 PM | PERMALINK

Is that "mc" or "r n c" ?

Posted by: Jon H on September 29, 2006 at 6:51 PM | PERMALINK

The righties are having a meltdown,red faced meltdown,They seemed to be unhinged.

Posted by: monica on September 29, 2006 at 6:53 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, at least Abramoff wasn't asking young boys to send him pictures of themselves....for a Republican, that's pretty good!

Posted by: Stefan on September 29, 2006 at 6:54 PM | PERMALINK

Settle down Monica I told you as soon as karl can get Cheney out of the blue dress you can have it back.

Posted by: coulter on September 29, 2006 at 6:55 PM | PERMALINK

Did you know it took the Whitehouse 6 days to find the perfect spot for W to stand after 911.They wanted a little rubble but not to much.How sick is that.

Posted by: coulter on September 29, 2006 at 6:58 PM | PERMALINK

For Sale Bush's Flight suit stuffing.3 pounds of stuffing for sale only stuffed once.

Posted by: ebay on September 29, 2006 at 7:00 PM | PERMALINK

Waxman looks like a pig.

Posted by: rmck1 on September 29, 2006 at 7:03 PM | PERMALINK

This is why you liberals never win elections. That's what Rush Limbaugh told me to say.

Posted by: rdw on September 29, 2006 at 7:05 PM | PERMALINK

Kevin I am going to write this to you but don't let it be written down.HA HA AH AH HAHAHHAH

Posted by: ebay on September 29, 2006 at 7:12 PM | PERMALINK

If only he'd written "ixnay on the iting-wray," Ambramoff would be a free man today.

Why does email hate America?

Posted by: craigie on September 29, 2006 at 7:12 PM | PERMALINK

Hey! These are the mature guys from the Party Of Personal Responsibility.

'I did not get Sky Box Tickets from that man'. Wags Finger. Head explodes.

Posted by: gregor on September 29, 2006 at 7:13 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, at least Abramoff wasn't asking young boys to send him pictures of themselves....for a Republican, that's pretty good!

I dunno, I bet if you search Ambramoff's email for the keyword "tonto" you'd have raised eyebrows...

Posted by: craigie on September 29, 2006 at 7:17 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, at least Abramoff wasn't asking young boys to send him pictures of themselves....for a Republican, that's pretty good!

I dunno, I bet if you search Ambramoff's email for the keyword "tonto" you'd have raised eyebrows...

Or the classic: "I don't know why these tribes are fighting each other for legislative assistance -- they all look the same to me."

Posted by: trex on September 29, 2006 at 7:27 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, at least Abramoff wasn't asking young boys to send him pictures of themselves....for a Republican, that's pretty good!

"See, the Democrat party is Anti-semitic and anti-Native American! Hey you.. boy... with the Microphone. Did you get that or were you too busy counting food stamps?"

Posted by: the child in george allen's inner child on September 29, 2006 at 7:41 PM | PERMALINK

He who lives by the Blackberry - dies by the Blackberry....

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on September 29, 2006 at 7:47 PM | PERMALINK

Where's Al and the gang?

Posted by: nutty little nut nut on September 29, 2006 at 7:53 PM | PERMALINK

Was browsing through the emails and came across this little gem from lobbyist Kevin Ring:

Finally, it is scary that the White House ethics advisor -- a Nanette Everson -- told the IGA folks that tribes shouldn't even need to have lobbyists, anyway -- and that it would be wrong for them to pay so much money for lobbyists when people in the government should be meeting with them as needed. Those are fighting words!!!

Yep, the Indian tribes shouldn't have had to pay money to have government address their needs and concerns, but in this cash and carry White House they did.

Oh, and then Abramoff ripped them off.

Posted by: trex on September 29, 2006 at 8:07 PM | PERMALINK

If only he'd written "ixnay on the iting-wray," Ambramoff would be a free man today.

I dunno, I bet if you search Ambramoff's email for the keyword "tonto" you'd have raised eyebrows...

Or the classic: "I don't know why these tribes are fighting each other for legislative assistance -- they all look the same to me."

"See, the Democrat party is Anti-semitic and anti-Native American! Hey you.. boy... with the Microphone. Did you get that or were you too busy counting food stamps?"

MmmmmIlovethisthread. Bring it.

Posted by: shortstop on September 29, 2006 at 8:31 PM | PERMALINK

Oh my fucking god

Posted by: enozinho (wetorture.com) on September 29, 2006 at 8:34 PM | PERMALINK

"Tell me why Denny Hastert shouldn't be forced to immediately resign. They left your kids with this man AFTER they knew what he was doing. They let him stay in the GOP leadership. They let him remain the chair of the child sex offender caucus. Jesus Christ."

Those are very good questions. I feel certain that our Johnny-on-the-spot Democratic leadership will jump right in and ask them. Unless, of course, it's too busy finding bipartisan capitulating ways to make it easier for Republican pedophiles to run sex offender caucuses.

Posted by: shortstop on September 29, 2006 at 8:42 PM | PERMALINK

Jon H, GREAT catch! I smell RNC subpoenas (and, no, that wasn't a Ken Mehlman joke. Wait. Now it is. Blast!) ...

I am SO keeping my fingers crossed that the feds had a (legal) bug in that skybox.

Posted by: The Confidence Man on September 29, 2006 at 8:47 PM | PERMALINK

I just keep thinking what all might be in that traffic the NSA has been storing so they can wade throught it with some data mining tools looking for them "terrorists"

"Hoisted by one`s own petard" is a phrase that comes to mind

"All successful revolutions are the kicking in of a rotten door." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Posted by: daCascadian on September 29, 2006 at 8:51 PM | PERMALINK

r n c

Posted by: American Buzzard on September 29, 2006 at 9:11 PM | PERMALINK

Could you do us a favor and list the Bates numbers for these emails? Thanks.

Posted by: Tom on September 29, 2006 at 9:36 PM | PERMALINK

---giving and getting of skybox tickets

Yeah, for black-balling people that Abramoff didn't like, you left that part out Kevin.

This whole administration and GOP has been run by mobster tatics, from unbid contracts, to story after story of corruption.

Posted by: Cheryl on September 29, 2006 at 9:36 PM | PERMALINK

What can I say. Shocked. Shocked and appalled. One would think our government has been put up for sale. And, oh so cheap too.

Posted by: Sparky on September 29, 2006 at 9:39 PM | PERMALINK

Nobody's picked up on the Jena aspect of the story here yet, so here's some help on that:

Wikipedia's Jack Abramoff timeline outlines the story, and by amazing coincidence with Sen. George Allen's "macaca" gaffe, we find this gem: "January 29, 2002, In an e-mail Abramoff tells Scanlon 'I have to meet with the monkeys [emphasis mine] from the Choctaw tribal council.'"

And the denoument is: "December 2002 - [Interior Secretary Gale] Norton eventually allows Jena compact, but the tribe ultimately gets shot down by LA gov. Kathleen Babineaux-Blanco, who does not want any expansion of gambling." So, ultimately, despite Abramoff's best efforts to screw over the Jena Choctaw tribe, the Bush administration greenlighted the tribe's proposal anyway, only for it to be shot down by the Louisiana governor. Sounds like the anti-Jena Indian tribes wasted their money on Abramoff; they should have telephoned the Louisiana governor first.

Wikipedia's Monetary influence of Jack Abramoff tells other aspects of this story, including implicating U.S. Senator David Vitter (R-LA), U.S. Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA), and U.S. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV). Note that implicating in this context does not necessarily imply guilt and that other legislators could be involved to a greater or lesser extent than these three.
Googling "Jena Abramoff" without quotes results in about 31,600 hits, so there's a lot out there if you want to learn more about it.

Posted by: Joel Rubinstein on September 29, 2006 at 9:43 PM | PERMALINK

Jason;
I hate to bust your bubble - trust me, I'm on your side here, but the White House email archiving system has been fubared since 1992.

I studied this as part of a Ethics in Computing class, and there was a big hullabaloo, as they were subpoenaing the hell out of Clinton, and the archiving system was broken then too, and they jumped through all kinds of hoops PROVING it was really broken, and not just "oops, accidentally deleted it" broken.

Problem persisted throughout the entire Clinton presidency, and continues today. You'd think someone would fix it - but I guess it's too convenient remaining permanently broken.

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on September 29, 2006 at 10:23 PM | PERMALINK

OK, is it me or did no one notice this line in the last message:

Anyway, I called her to talk about Jena. She has not heard from anyone on the other side of this issue.

Uhhhh... WTF does that mean? Which Jena might that be? Or did he just misspell Jane or Jean?

Just a thought... Anyone willing to investigate?

Posted by: buck turgidson on September 29, 2006 at 10:31 PM | PERMALINK

Remember the NSA databases of all those archived data & phone intercepts that they use data mining tools on

What do you suppose you could find in there ?

Just askin...

"No place is so strongly fortified that money could not capture it." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

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Posted by: mmf铃声 on September 29, 2006 at 11:10 PM | PERMALINK

I love Fridays. The Republicans love to dump on Fridays. Fridays are becoming the best news days. In addition to everything else Rep. Foley, Republican point man on pediphilia has emerged as a pediphile himself. It takes one to know one.

Now, it seems, Denny Hastart and the rest of the Republican leadership knew about Foley's predelictions 11 months ago.

I am not sure, but wasn't Foley, Rush Limbaugh's congressman?

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 29, 2006 at 11:13 PM | PERMALINK

It's becoming more and more apparent that the reason this administration is obsessed with leaks and surveillance is that they have so much to hide.

Posted by: pj in jesusland on September 29, 2006 at 11:30 PM | PERMALINK

Remember the NSA databases of all those archived data & phone intercepts that they use data mining tools on
What do you suppose you could find in there ?
Posted by: daCascadian on September 29, 2006 at 11:09 PM | PERMALINK

Ways to persuade faint-hearted Republicans (or Democrats) to vote one way or another. . .

I really suspect that Jeff Gannon isn't actually gay himself, but rather he is a clever entrapment/blackmail operative. Apparently no longer needed in light of the NSA programs, however.

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on September 29, 2006 at 11:41 PM | PERMALINK

I am not sure, but wasn't Foley, Rush Limbaugh's congressman?

Sure -- who do you think gave Rush all those tips on the best places to go for his Viagra-fueled debauches in the Dominican Republic?

Brown, poor, AND a sex slave? It's like catnip to a Republican congressman.....

Posted by: Stefan on September 30, 2006 at 12:02 AM | PERMALINK

but ya'll know that the Department of Agriculture is the single most powerful agency of our government, correct

Sorry Jason. The Secretary of Agriculture can't declare me an enemy combattant....

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on September 30, 2006 at 12:09 AM | PERMALINK

Recedite, plebes! Gero rem agricultarum!

Posted by: Secretary of Agriculture on September 30, 2006 at 12:13 AM | PERMALINK

You really want to start the "sexual predator" meme against Republicans? Remember how well that worked on "Culture of Corruption?" Reminds me: has William Jefferson resigned yet?

Posted by: farfelthedog on September 30, 2006 at 12:17 AM | PERMALINK

farfelthedog

Doesn't matter. You guys are still corrupt. And sexual predators to boot.

As some said something about the winners of the rat race and all.

Some Party.

Posted by: gregor on September 30, 2006 at 12:43 AM | PERMALINK

You really want to start the "sexual predator" meme against Republicans? Remember how well that worked on "Culture of Corruption?" Reminds me: has William Jefferson resigned yet?

Typical wingnut -- can't distinguish between children and adults.

Pretty much defines the problem, doesn't it?

Posted by: Disputo on September 30, 2006 at 12:55 AM | PERMALINK

Few, if any, Democratic party members have any sympathy for Jefferson. However, I believe he is waiting for the investigation report to come in from that crack Congressional investigating team of Bob Ney and Duke Cunningham. If they say he's done wrong, he will step down.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 30, 2006 at 12:57 AM | PERMALINK

The House is lost to the Republicans. They are going to fighting for their lives - leaders in safe districts may feel the heat. The Dems might gain 40 seats before this is through, maybe even more.

Karl Rove is now going to shift most of his focus to the Senate, and maintaining a slim majority.

Posted by: hopeless pedant on September 30, 2006 at 1:17 AM | PERMALINK

What a turn-around in a day. Yesterday, the torture party GOP was prancing about fully jack-booted. Today, they are runing away like gazelles from their crimes. How many GOPers are down for the count pedifiles--I count two or three this WEEK. What about Gannon-Guckert in light of all of this? Hmmmm????

Gonzales has just threatened the judiciary not to oppose the administration's unconstitutional and criminal conduct and should be arrested for attempting to intimidate the federal bench--unbelievable breach of faith since his job is "independent" and is supposed to uphold the the judiciaries rulings. He should be impeached, or removed immediately. What an idiot--clearly he has no concept of basic constitutional law and is clearly the most unqualified AG ever.

Finally, the Abramoff influence peddling scheme is now everywhere in the White House. Indictments have to be forthcoming. Rove, and by extension Bush, traded influence and broke federal law in hiring and contracting IN WRITING.

Hastert and company allowed Foley to molest unencumbered for 11+ MONTHS!

Then there are the lies and disasters in Iraq, which will not go away. Think Custer's Last Stand if we don't do something very soon.

The trolls are even horrified and silent. This is a dark day in American history where it is clear that the corruption and perversion of the Republican party is simply staggering. There may be one-party rule, but they aren't in charge of a damned thing right now. I think we can put Frist and Hastert up as all-time incompetents too now.
We have idiot at the switches.

Diebold--the whistle blowers are coming out of the woodwork now, another surfaced in the 2002 stolen Georgia election today.

Soon, we will have to arrest the lot of neocons and ship them to he Hague.

Vote. Straight Democratic ticket. Even against the "moderate" Repubs. Turn off the MSM that doesn't adequately report this crap. I think NPR can even stick their tote bags where only Gannon can find it too.

Posted by: Sparko on September 30, 2006 at 1:41 AM | PERMALINK

All of this has been long evident. As far as the political process is rational the Republicans have no defence. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's the way it happens. The pendulum used to work. But the political process is not rational: FDR happened to strike a popular chord in the context of national disaster. Additionally, he happened to be right in the eyes of enlightenment thought. There is no guarantee that this will be repeated in our day. All we can trust is personal integrity: where-ever the political chips may fall, we must stand defending the Western liberal civilization, our vulnerable, brittle inalieable rights. That's the bottom line.

Posted by: jonathan on September 30, 2006 at 6:37 AM | PERMALINK


do you think rove held foley to use for an unexpected event like..

woodward's book..

and / or...

the abramoff revelations..

and / or...

Posted by: just wondering on September 30, 2006 at 8:48 AM | PERMALINK

You know what would be worse. If they made fundraising calls from the White House.

Posted by: American Buzzard on September 30, 2006 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK

Thomas1,

"we"?

How about a discussion about another seat in the democratic party column.

Posted by: B on September 30, 2006 at 10:19 AM | PERMALINK

I think NPR can even stick their tote bags where only Gannon can find it too.

This made me laugh, Sparko.

Posted by: shortstop on September 30, 2006 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK

Thomas1

You are a catholic? Wow. That explains a lot.

Slavish devotion to people who don't deserve it. Acceptance of fairy tales without question. Willingness to let others speak on your behalf. Refusal to question the Republican catechism when shown the original text. Lots of things. You should have told us earlier.

I guess it also explains your willingness to give Hastert and the Republican house leadership a pass when they knew the pediphile was roaming the halls of congress in search of young boys.

Thomas1 this isn't a sex scandal. This is a child molestation scandal of the first order. This is a child molestation coverup.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 30, 2006 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK

The Foley live boy scandal has it all. It's got sordid, illegal, highly taboo sex. It's got the stink of the hypocrisy and corruption of power. Because there are so many moving parts, it's going to take a long time to play out, likely keeping the story active through election day. It's like the House banking scandal on steroids and in pink tights.

If they Democrats can't the win the House in the wake of this scandal, they should be run out of the profession of politics.

Posted by: frankly0 on September 30, 2006 at 10:22 AM | PERMALINK

The cute thing about the Foley scandal is the Republican chair of bipartisan committee that runs the page program admitted yesterday that he didn't tell the lone Democrat on the committee. As much as anything else in Congress that is a symbol of the depths of corruption to which the Republicans have sunk. The guy is in charge of a program to protect congressional pages, and all he can think of is keeping the scandal quiet so as not to embarass his party. That SOB ought to be charged with being an accessary after the fact.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 30, 2006 at 10:28 AM | PERMALINK

Psst Thomas1, you still here?

Don't tell anyone but I just got my GOP swimsuit calendar for next year and I gotta tell you, that Foley February spread had me feeling pretty horny. You get your copy?

Posted by: Al on September 30, 2006 at 10:29 AM | PERMALINK

"Thomas1
You are a catholic? Wow. That explains a lot.
Slavish devotion to people who don't deserve it. Acceptance of fairy tales without question. Willingness to let others speak on your behalf." - Byers


I wonder if Thomas1 was a Muslim if Mr. Byers would attack his faith with the same venom.

I think not. Mr. Byers, and 99% of liberals are cowards and will only attack the "safe" religions because that is what passes for liberal intelligence and political correctness these days.

Pathetic really.

Posted by: Jay on September 30, 2006 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK

"The guy is in charge of a program to protect congressional pages, and all he can think of is keeping the scandal quiet so as not to embarass his party. That SOB ought to be charged with being an accessary after the fact." - byers


Are you talking about Clinton and interns? Since when has Washington sex scandals bothered you guys?

Posted by: Jay on September 30, 2006 at 10:35 AM | PERMALINK

Jay,

What part of "underage" don't you understand?

Posted by: frankly0 on September 30, 2006 at 10:38 AM | PERMALINK

Jay

At least Monica was a 24 year old woman. That was bad enoungh. Republicans seem to have it on for young teenage boys. How about you?

I suggest you just keep on protecting the criminals and their enablers in the house leadership.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 30, 2006 at 10:39 AM | PERMALINK

"I suggest you just keep on protecting the criminals and their enablers in the house leadership" - byers


Anybody that engages in that activity should be incarcerated.

I am curious though as why you are so hostile towards Christianity. I don't recall you ever criticizing other faiths with such zeal. What are your thoughts on Islam? Is that a peaceful religion? Are those that practice that faith, enlightened?

Posted by: Jay on September 30, 2006 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK

frankly0: The Foley live boy scandal has it all. It's got sordid, illegal, highly taboo sex. It's got the stink of the hypocrisy and corruption of power ... If they Democrats can't the win the House in the wake of this scandal ...

Agreed (and snaps to you for the old "dead girl, live boy" joke). But I can't shake this feeling that they're going to drop the ball. I hope like hell I'm wrong and am just speaking from lingering unspeakable gloom over their gargantuan ineffectiveness in speaking out against the torture bill.

Posted by: shortstop on September 30, 2006 at 10:47 AM | PERMALINK

99% of liberals are cowards and will only attack the "safe" religions because that is what passes for liberal intelligence and political correctness these days. Pathetic really.

Alright Jay, 3PM, the school parking lot. I'll bring some native americans, tibetan buddhists, and African pygmys. You bring your senator Allen and we'll just see who can offend the most colored people. Are you too pussy?

Posted by: B on September 30, 2006 at 10:51 AM | PERMALINK

Jay, you get your copy?

Posted by: Al on September 30, 2006 at 10:56 AM | PERMALINK

A lot of avoidance of a simple question.

Posted by: Jay on September 30, 2006 at 10:58 AM | PERMALINK

Jay, you don't need to avoid my question. There's nothing to feel ashamed about?

Posted by: Al on September 30, 2006 at 10:59 AM | PERMALINK

For once O'Reilly seemed really angry and saddened about the news of Foley. Foley had been on his show often in their endeavors' to toughen Jessica's Law across the land. O'Reilly appeared to be a man betrayed. His last words were that he was afraid of how this could used to hurt the child protection laws. Will he now turn his wrath towards the powers in Congress who sat on this while he was hosting Foley?

I believe O'Reilly said to Foley, "Don't you know that a man can sell his soul for falafels and women and profit not, but for boys?

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 30, 2006 at 11:05 AM | PERMALINK

Isn't turtle hunting illegal in the district of Columbia?

Posted by: B on September 30, 2006 at 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

Well done Thomas1. I am anxious to watch them spin out of that post. We'll see just how genuine their "moral anger" is.


"Alright Jay, 3PM, the school parking lot. I'll bring some native americans, tibetan buddhists, and African pygmys." - B


I find it interesting that they can not even include Muslims in their faux analogies of minorities to offend.

They are deathly afraid of them and have no intentions of fighting them. They will acquiesce at every turn.

Posted by: Jay on September 30, 2006 at 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

Condit, Condit, now where have I heard that name before? Oh, yeah, he was the guy who always voted with the Republicans. Sort of like that so called Demo from Youngstown, Ohio, who is now serving time in the Federal penal system. Something about running as a Democrat and then always voting with the Publicans. Sorta like lie down with vermin and the stink settles in.

Posted by: stupid git on September 30, 2006 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

What part of "underage" don't you understand?

Well, Jay is already on record that he doesn't think raping twelve year old girls should be a crime, so I'd say he doesn't seem to understand the entire concept of "underage" -- or, as he would put it, "prime."

Posted by: Stefan on September 30, 2006 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

No Jay, I just don't see the point in attacking any religion in the gross terms you are suggesting. We won't be leading a new series of christian crusades, if that's what you mean. Vote accordingly.

Posted by: B on September 30, 2006 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK

"Well, Jay is already on record that he doesn't think raping twelve year old girls should be a crime" - shit for brains


Lies, distortions, disengenous moral anger, and utter fear of Muslims.

We are deep in the liberal cesspool.

Posted by: Jay on September 30, 2006 at 11:19 AM | PERMALINK

"I just don't see the point in attacking any religion....." - B


Wrong idiot. You attacked Christianity in your 10:20am post. You are so deathly afraid of Islam, you are already backpedaling in your attack on Christianity not less than an hour ago when confronted.

LIBERALS ARE PATHETIC.

Posted by: Jay on September 30, 2006 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

The trolls finally got their decades old talking points. Yeah. They'll play the moral decadence card to block.

Funny thing about GOP fascism though, the degree and seriousness of it is without precedence in American history. Their feelings of omnipotence is what drives their corruption and their assualts on minors and women.

Vote straight democratic ticket this year. Throw out inept democratic encumbents like Lieberman, and put in young and piercing minds like Obama. That is the way to generational success. The only way.

Justice will come only when these fascists are thrown out and have to answer for their crimes.

Amramoff was just business as usual for the Republicans.

Posted by: Sparko on September 30, 2006 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

I had no 10:20 post. I'm at a loss. Do christians eat turtles?

Posted by: B on September 30, 2006 at 11:27 AM | PERMALINK

Jay, I suggest doing a google search for "B" in this blog and other liberal blogs to see if you can find anti-Christian comments. I think you're too much of a pathetic fucking coward to actually follow through and apologize for your rant.

Posted by: B on September 30, 2006 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK

Charlie, Foley had enough sense to give up and resign. So should you.

Posted by: asdf on September 30, 2006 at 11:34 AM | PERMALINK

Thomas the toy engine and Jay are a little busy now as they frantically try to find out from AOL if MaF54 is still available.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 30, 2006 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

That does it.

From now on I'm dropping all references to the Daddy Party.

It's gonna be the Pedophile Party from here on out.

Posted by: n on September 30, 2006 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

thomas1

That's pathetic. And just what does any of that have to do with Foley? And funny that they're all Democrats. Republicans haven't done anything wrong in the last 30 years, have they?

Posted by: tomeck on September 30, 2006 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

The Republic Party does have a disproportionate number of perverts. It must be all of that holier than thou moralizing, that pops a cork in their tiny little brains.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on September 30, 2006 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Are you sure we Democrats (or even just we Catholics) want to get into a discussion about SEX scandals right now?

You know, I believe you're a Catholic about as much as I believe you're a Democrat. (And, about as much as I believed you were me when you posted under my name.)

Posted by: cmdicely on September 30, 2006 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

Vote straight Democrat, and vote. Work on registering the elderly, the infirm and the first-time voters. Monitor the polls.

Scroll past trolls forvever, they are talking to themselves anyway. You'll note they post over and over to mask points or make it seem they have a mainstream opinion--all the better to mask their true numbers--a couple maybe? This helps them steal elections if they seem to be plausibly represent a plausibly electable number. America is an apartheid society since 2000. I think we are governed by the rich one-percent, and beaten down by the crazy 20% religioous radical fascists. And fascist is a word coined for the far right and current GOP. They own it. Like Goebbels, they learned to label opponents with their own fraud, sin or psychosis. I saw one right-winger use the term "compassion fascist" of all damned things. They are really beyond reasoning.

The only way to freedom is to take down these GOP fascists. Those people who defend the indefensible GOP tyranny are the enemy of freedom. What Abramoff, Foley, and Reed teach us is the televangical lesson we relearn over and over--those who scream the loudest about morality and religion are masking their nefarious predelictions. Elmer Gantry Party of GOP.

Posted by: Sparko on September 30, 2006 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

What may really be the story behind the story is the cover-up of Foleys pedophiliac peccadilloes and not the rather mild masturbatory IM back-and-forth that Foley actually engaged in.

Posted by: The Conservative Deflator on September 30, 2006 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

All right, Thomas, AOL says that MaF54 is not available, but you could use MaF55 as a handle. Or MaF69.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 30, 2006 at 12:23 PM | PERMALINK

Thomas1,

First, quit with the unattributed mass cut and pasting; if you want to take a major portion of a published article, then link it (perhaps with a brief quotation), don't cut and paste huge amounts of text without attribution. Your long copyright violation in this thread is from the Washington Post, and is rather selective. When one reads the whole thing, its not as one side as you make it out to be: certainly not 6 past Democrats against one 1 current Republican. I mean, its interesting you left out Rep. Donald "Buzz" Lukens (R-OH), who refused to resign after being convicted in his affair with a teenager, and then after being dumped in the primary by the voters but before his term ended, disgraced himself further by fondling a Capitol elevator operator and finally resigned. Or that you edited out the story of Rep. Dan Crane which is very similar to that of Gerry Studds (and, indeed, the two were presented together in one block of text in the original you cut-and-pasted from.)

Posted by: cmdicely on September 30, 2006 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

"I think you're too much of a pathetic fucking coward to actually follow through and apologize for your rant." - B


I would never apologize to a demented liberal. I consider them interchangeable human waste.

Posted by: Jay on September 30, 2006 at 12:29 PM | PERMALINK

As long as they are throwing dirt, why don't they mention the former Republican Senator from Oregon, Bob Packwood? 28 women brought charges against him - He even tried to obstruct the investigation.

Perhaps, it was because they never considered him to be one of theirs. He was pro-choice, favored gun control and voted against the nomination of Long Dong Silver for the Supreme Court.

Get out the pitchforks and keep the dirt a'flyin.

Posted by: thethirdPaul on September 30, 2006 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

"...- He even tried to obstruct the investigation." - the third turd


"I never had sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky" - The Democrat Messiah


But enough about Bill Clinton

Posted by: Jay on September 30, 2006 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK

Word is that Hastert cut Foley a lot of slack because Foley told him that he was only trying to instruct the lad in some Greco-Roman holds.

Posted by: stupid git on September 30, 2006 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

"It must be all of that holier than thou moralizing, that pops a cork in their tiny little brains." - deflator


Ironic how you can not find the courage to cast the same vitriol towards Islam.

Posted by: Jay on September 30, 2006 at 12:58 PM | PERMALINK

Liberals are above all winners. We keep winning, across the centuries.
Conservatives hate this. They hate losing all the time.
Alas. It's hard being conservative.
Your great great grandaddy lost over slavery.
Your great grandaddy lost over women's sufferage.
Your grandaddy lost over Jim Crow.
Your daddy got all inflammed about Stonewall. He's fighting hard, but those damn words "we're all created equal", damn them why oh why were they written!? They have a certain weight, don't they.
They're very very liberal.

Posted by: Liberal-All on September 30, 2006 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK

But, but, but, would you have a party left?

Posted by: third turd from the Sun on September 30, 2006 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK

ok thomas1, i'll play your game: bob packwood; dan crane; don lukens; dan burton; newt gingrich. mark foley. all republicans and as a whole just as sleazy as your bunch. oh, did i say mark foley?

Posted by: mudwall jackson on September 30, 2006 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

I am surprised that the spinmeisters haven't tried to pin the whole Abramoff indian tribe fiasco on Daniel Snyder. Skybox. Redskins. Obviously it must have been the inspiration for the scams!

Posted by: RickG on September 30, 2006 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

Ironic how you can not find the courage to cast the same vitriol towards Islam.
Posted by: Jay

It doesn't take any sort of courage to denounce atrocities by muslims, or even the entire religion, in america. this is a majority xtian nation, with not infrequent occurences of racism and bigotry. jay's sort of inanity is encouraged actively and tacitly.

calling attention to xtian hypocrisy, fundamentalism, ignorance, and bigotry when you're in the minority unarguably takes more courage.

it's the same sort of moral cowardice which thinks that being a chickenhawk cheerleader for this war somehow constitutes "courage." the entire concept is foreign to pussies like jay, and remains an anathema to most repubs posting here.

Posted by: Nads on September 30, 2006 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK


when was the last time...if ever...

3-congressman from the same party resigned in 1-year...

republicans....delay...ney...foley..

all in 2006...

and there's 2-months left...

gotta be a new record...or a shot at one..

Posted by: mr. irony on September 30, 2006 at 5:28 PM | PERMALINK

Responding to Jay and the other trolls is like trying to reason with a severely mentally retarded person; except that the retarded person isn't at fault. Please, please stop responding.

Posted by: aqualung on September 30, 2006 at 6:20 PM | PERMALINK

mr. irony: And Duke Cunningham makes four, if you count back to last November.

Posted by: shortstop on September 30, 2006 at 6:41 PM | PERMALINK

White House Falsely Claimed Rove had only a 'causual relationship' with Abramoff [What was his relationship with Jeff Gannon? Why not email Karl at karl_c._rove@who.eop.gov and ask?]
A House Government Reform Committee report documents at least 82 contacts between Karl Roves office and Jack Abramoffs lobbying team. The Committee describes at least ten direct contacts between Abramoff and Rove, seven of which were instances of lobbying.
And yet, Karl Rove told Scott McClellan that his relationship with Abramoff was more of a casual relationship than a business one.
MCCLELLAN: "Yes [Rove] knows Mr. Abramoff. They are both former heads of the College Republicans. Thats how they got to know each other way back I think it was in the early 80s. And my understanding is that Karl would describe it as more of a casual relationship than a business relationship. Thats what he has said." [White House Press Briefing, 1/17/06]
But excerpts from the House report indicate that there was an extensive business relationship between Rove and Abramoff:
On March 6, 2001, Abramoff wrote in an e-mail to Dennis Stephens that he had a great meeting with Karl Rove to discuss an appointment to the Department of Interior. `(p. 33)
On April 5, 2002, Abramoff sent an e-mail to his assistant asking the assistant to add to his schedule a Karl Rove/SagChip breakfast on the 16th at 8 am. Location tbd. According to the documents, this was an event with Karl Rove and tribal representatives and leaders from the Saginaw Chippewa tribe. (p. 37)
In one e-mail to a client, Abramoff expressed the view that Rove did not want to be perceived publicly as taking actions that benefited Abramoff. It gives me a lot of cover, which is one of the things Karl was worried about. It does not benefit them to be doing stuff on this publicly for me, as you can imagine, and he was really worried that we would cause a NYT like piece. (p. 38)

Posted by: Mike on September 30, 2006 at 7:20 PM | PERMALINK


thomas1..

despite the claim of 60....all you could find was an off hand comment from the arab american institute?...

....it appears that looking for a reference to that watershed event was harder that finding the names of americans who died from terror...

chalk it up to being the victim..

again..

Posted by: mr. irony on October 1, 2006 at 7:44 AM | PERMALINK

Doesn't look like an "m" ...

Posted by: Ghost of Joe Liebling's Dog on October 1, 2006 at 10:19 AM | PERMALINK

thomas1....nothing from newsmax?

and wasnt it you who made fun of zogby's credibility for calling 2004 election in kerry's favor?

keep paddling....

Posted by: mr. irony on October 1, 2006 at 12:59 PM | PERMALINK

thomas1:

interesting....much better than the arab american institute...

i guess the current number of gop resignations is just a record for...

this century...

thanks for the perspective...

Posted by: mr. perspective on October 2, 2006 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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