If Moyers really wants to discuss capitol crimes, he should air excerpts of "Path to 9/11" and discuss Clinton's criminal negilgence in actively declining to capture Bin Ladin. ("We have him in our sights!". "Eh, forget it. I'm bussy getting a blowjob from an intern!").

By the way, it's nice to see that the Democrat party is not-so-secretly homophobic over Foley. You stood behind a president who actually screwed an intern, but condemn a who wrote emails that were overly friendly. Do Democrats really hate gays, or is it just election year politicking?

Thomas-- There's no evidence that there was acutal sexual contact, unlike with bill and monica.

By the way, it's nice to see that the Democrat party is not-so-secretly homophobic over Foley.

Good point AH. Republicans didn't investigation Foley because they were afraid of being called homophobic and gay bashers by the libs. So it's really the Democrats fault Foley wasn't investigated.

Thomas-- There's no evidence that there was acutal sexual contact, unlike with bill and monica.

Don't forget Barney Frank's prostituion ring he ran in his room and office.

Spin baby spin.What do a R congressman and a Catholic Priest have in common.Yea baby you guessed it.

Woah ... I've never seen a thread trashed so quickly.

Bob

The preceding comments are proof that sex scandals are more noteworthy than financial crimes to the (sub-)average citizen.

Hastert's omissions and inactions, continued:
http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/200610021?pt=0

E-mail case ‘disgusting,’ says Capito
By Scott Finn
Staff writer
Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va., says she was not told about suggestive e-mails that a Florida congressman sent to a 16-year-old former Capitol page, even though she is one of three representatives who oversee the page program.

Anybody here from West Virginia? If so, please write and/or phone Congresswoman Capito and ask her whether she still supports the current House Republican "leadership".

!0 troll posts so far - Feels so good, feels so fine to be with the boys over at InstantPundit once again.

Boy, oh boy, an all boy party.

Repubelicans are sexually repressed. What a bunch of pervs, covering up for each other and all.

too bad NO ONE would join rdw and me

The US military wants your children and grandchildren to join Bush's mission to fight in Iraq. Your children and grandchildren will earn respect and affection in the armed services. Congressmen will court them and treat them to fabulous dinners before transfer to fight for liberty in Afghanistan or Iraq. Congress' members eagerly anticipate your children's service to the country's leadership.

What's complex about the quid pro quo corruption of the republican party?

Thomas-- There's no evidence that there was acutal sexual contact, unlike with bill and monica.

People so disgusting they won't distinguish between sex amongst consenting adults and a 50 year old man cyber stalking a teenager.

How does the Abramoff scandal rank compared to the Billy Sol Estes scandal, the "Wilbur Milk" scandal, the Wayne Hayes scandal (not the sex, the manipulation of a relatively unimportant committee chairmanship into dominating power), and the Dan Rostenkowsky scandal?

I don't mean to make light, and I think that Abramoff and some Republican congressmen probably belong in jail (I could, I suppose, believe that they might all be acquitted, and they should at least be tried and convicted before I am certain).

It ranks high on the list, but I think that Wayne Hayes did more actual harm to the country. That opinion could change with new revelations.

The Democrat on the operative oversight committe was not notified of the emails (he read about them for the first time last week.) Five years ago Republican pages were warned about Foley while Democratic pages weren't. One of the first people called about Foley was Rep. Reynolds who heads the campaign committee and is not in anyway involved with the relative house leadership structure.

The people who did talk to Foley a year ago simply accepted his characterization that his "overly friendly" emails were innocent and that he wouldn't sin any more. They didn't do any further investigation. (The other Republican member of the page board claims she didn't know of the matter, but if she had whe would not have simply accepted Foley's word that he hadn't sinned and he would sin no more.)

When you look at the Cunningham, DeLay and Abramoff scandals you see a similar pattern of Republican leader putting the party ahead of the institution and ultimately the nation. Apparently anything is OK with Denny Hastert and the rest of the Republican leadership so long as the party isn't hurt. When it is he is shocked and appalled.

What we are witnessing is the downside of the Gingrich revolution that put the Republican party ahead of the institution of Congress. If Hastert were operating as Speaker of the House instead of Republican boss the Foley scandal would never have happened. Instead when the emails first came to light, a full investigation would have occured and Foley would have been thrown out. No great loss for the Republicans who would have looked responsible, and who would have had plenty of time to find a replacement for Foley in a very Republican district.

We didn't elect Hastert, Blunt and the rest to be Republicans. We elected them to be congressmen. It is time they figured that out.

Ah yes, GOP morality:

A 52 year old congressman tried to seduce and have internet sex with a 17 year old page, but because no actual sex occurredd, its really no big deal.

Really, the gender of the page is irrelevant. The issue here is the age of the victim and the respective position of power employed by the predator.

From the earlier thread, I think I've said my peace on the subject..

... then WTF are you doing here, talking about it ?

Doug-E-Fresh: A 52 year old congressman tried to seduce and have internet sex with a 17 year old page, but because no actual sex occurredd, its really no big deal.

Right, and for those banking on a lack of actual physical contact between Foley and pages: It will be very interesting to see whether in coming days we'll hear reports of such contact having taken place. People like Foley don't do this stuff once or twice. He'll have had a long and horrifying history of coming on to teenagers, and odds are he'll have succeeded at some point.

Young adults can learn to use the internet, email and instant messaging in the US Military. Think of all the differnt kinds of people they will come into contact with while serving in Iraq.

Really, I'm finding this whole thread hard to swallow.

I hope Bill bitchslaps Tim Russert, who maintained as recently as yesterday that Dems took a third of "Abramoff's money."

Arrgh -- it's on opposite Lost!

I wonder, will there be any discussion of the links between Abramoff and Harry Reid? What about his link to supporters of massive_illegal_immigration, as discussed at that link?

I have little doubt that to Bill Moyers, as to the Democrats, some forms of corruption are OK. With the latter group it's the forms of corruption that they seek to profit from.

I say that EVERY homosexual child molester...

So it's only the homosexual child molester, eh, ThomASS? So which parties are the homophobes, chickenshit/

For the record, chickenshit, Lewinsky was of age, Mark Foley's victims were not. Get the diff?

TLB, wake us up when Harry Reid starts trying seduce 16 year old boys.

Probably because no one believes you, Whack old buddy.

Anyone ever notice that American Hawk and Al were kindly absent this weekend? Maybe they were trying to cover their behinds in Foleygate...or were they busy torturing alleged terrorists for the heck of it. It's hard to tell which they would prefer doing more, given their penchant for spreading hate and lies and spreading it wide.

People like MeLoseBrain? keep asking me about it, that's why.

poor trolly... forced to reply to something about which he's already said all that he has to say.

It's fairly simple: you're either with us or you're with the pedophiles.

We've now seen which side the House GOP leadership comes down on....

From the earlier thread, I think I've said my peace on the subject

If you've said your "peace" [sic], isn't it time to STFU on the subject?

The GOP is objectively pro-pedophile.

By the way, it's nice to see that the Democrat party is not-so-secretly homophobic over Foley.

"Homophobia" would be the issue if the condemnation was of adult, consensual gay sex.

Apparently, the defenders of the Republican party here have a problem distinguishing between adult consensual sex and sexual exploitation and attempted seduction of minors.

GOP: Guarding Our Pedophiles

Poor thomas is going absolutely batshit crazy trying to protect his pedophile pal, isn't he? Show's how damaging this really is to the GOP.

Thomas1 why are your defending perverts?

T1: join rdw and me in a bipartisan effort calling for EVERY child molester, and anyone who covered up those crimes (regardless of party), to be driven out of town on a rail

so you weren't against child molesters until foley was discovered?

Well, this thread was dead on arrival.

I'm off.

The Abramoff scandal, by contrast, is mind-numbingly complex.

That's twice, now, that you've made this assertion, Kevin. What's so hard to understand about quid-pro-quo corruption?

Same thing as Clinton no diffrence.Clinton had sex with an adult, Foley seducing underage boys yea same thing.What a Bush.

'pubs are perverts - I'm sure not defending them.
Unlike the underpaid trolls here.

Show me ONE post where I am defending Foley, bitch?

Wooah! He's gone deranged! The wheels are coming off the wagon! Heee heee! Careful, dearie, you're sounding a bit wild and unhinged there. Need some mental health counseling for that anger-management problem?

It's not "peace" as in absence of conflict?

No (first entry, def 33).

You may be generalizing wrong from an idiom with an opposite meaning (first entry, def 14).

Is kevin really thinking Bill Moyers is going to influence anyone on PBS? He hasn't done it in 20 years and now it'll work? With even fewer people watching? The kool-aid already runs thru the veins. If you are watching Bill Moyers you've got French DNA. You've got that vote Kevin. The idea is to increase your vote.

No, Th1, it's not "peace." You've said your "piece." Ask Foley to define that for you.

GOP-Got Open Pants?

Show me ONE post where I am defending Foley, bitch?

i'm still waiting for you to show me one post where i said i wanted Bush assassinated, bitch.

Show me ONE post where I am defending Foley, bitch?

In every post on the subject you have been defending Foley by trying to switch the focus from his actual attempted to discussion to either (a) actual or alleged wrongdoing by Democrats, in the distant past, or (b) speculative ongoing child molestation for which you present no evidence by other current members of the Congres.

Well, if they would just read everything I already wrote and take it to heart, cleek, maybe I wouldn't have to respond . . .

Posted by: Thomas1

Speaking of reading everything you're written and taking it to heart T1, are you still claiming to be a 67 year old ex-Democrat who just happens to have a thing for the Matrix? Or are you just Charlie's sock-puppet?

I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version. The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection . . ." Posted by: Charlie on November 12, 2004 at 9:12 PM | PERMALINK

The first Political Animal I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being; thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another -- an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of Political Animal, Kevin would undoubtedly be its mother. Posted by: Thomas1 on September 28, 2006 at 1:23 PM

I have to go got me a young one here who needs a spanking.You dems are just jealous little boys like repugs better then dems.

Wow, thomas is getting as excited as a GOP congressman in a playground....

the abramoff culture of corruption line-up..

GOP MICHAEL SCANLON, Top aide to Tom Delay - Pled guilty to felony conspiracy. Cooperating in Abramoff and Delay investigations.

GOP Tony Rudy, former DeLay deputy chief of staff -- convicted felon.

GOP JACK ABRAMOFF, Republican Lobbyist - Pled guilty to 3 felony counts; conspiracy to commit fraud, fraud, and tax evasion.- Sun Cruz Casinos: Found guilty of fraud. Appeal pending.

GOP DAVID SAFAVIAN, Bush appointed former head of the White House Office of Federal Procurement Policy - Convicted on 4 of 5 felony counts of lying and obstruction of justice
in the Abramoff case.

GOP BOB NEY U.S. Representative (R-OH) - pled guilty.

GOP NEIL VOLZ Chief of staff to U.S. Representative Bob Ney (R-OH) - Pled guilty to one felony count of conspiracy, including wire fraud and violating House rules.

and there's got to be more...

rove's secretary susan ralston worked for abramoff ..

and..

The House Reform committee was able to document 485 contacts between White House officials and Jack Abramoff and his lobbying team from January 2001 to March 2004. - Roll Call 9/28/06

485....yeah...gotta be more good stuff there...

We have the most moral administration ever. America's pastor, Billy Graham personally blessed it. The question is what is moral?

Is moral keeping the 6th commandment while forsaking all others? Abramoff, Iraq, Delay, Plamegate, a few of many violations of the other commandments. 5-don't kill, 7-don't steal and 8-don't lie must not count. Only the sixth counts for morality. The others is a matter of interpretation no doubt.

Our perception of morality springs from our training, what we are taught as children. There must be something wrong. There is. The children are being taught lies and that is reflected in the most moral administration of all time. The curator of the prove hoax 'shroud of Turin' said is as well as possible I think. Let me paraphrase. Lies that cause people to believe, have faith are moral.

http://www.hoax-buster.org/learninglies

There really is 10 commandments but only the sixth counts in the present, most moral administration.

Thomas1, much fear I sense in you. Fear is the path of the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

P.S. cleek -- we're tied then.

'fraid not, liar.

It seems cyntax thinks no one besides Charlie and I have ever seen it.
Posted by: Thomas1

Haven't met too many 67 year-old ex-Democrats who were all that enamored of the Architect's speech. That's quite an anomaly Charlie.

Mr. Irony

I'm all for Foley getting trashed and prosecuted for the emails and barred from Congress but let's hold off on the child molestation charges until we find out if he actually touched anyone. He's a dirtball but Child molestors are an even more detestable class. His public life is over and he'll do whatever time is demanded for whatever crime but lets wait for the facts before we define the crime.

This post is nothing more than a lynch mob. That takes real balls from behind a firewall.

P.P.S. Chris -- that's not "defending" Foley.

Sure it is; its defending by minimization and distraction. Admittedly, its not a convincing defense, but then no one ever accused you of that.

stop responding to Charlie.

This post is nothing more than a lynch mob. That takes real balls from behind a firewall.

i'll just bookmark that one, if ya don't mind.

I'm all for Foley getting trashed and prosecuted for the emails and barred from Congress but let's hold off on the child molestation charges until we find out if he actually touched anyone.

Via Atrios:

In another message, Foley, using the screen name Maf54, appears to describe having been together with the teen in San Diego.

Maf54: I miss you lots since san diego.
Teen: ya I cant wait til dc
Maf54: :)
Teen: did you pick a night for dinner
Maf54: not yet…but likely Friday
Teen: ok…ill plan for Friday then
Maf54: that will be fun

So the question is what did they do in San Diego? And what were they planning to do on Friday?

In every post on the subject you have been defending Foley by trying to switch the focus from his actual attempted to discussion

Illogical and silly. B has nothing to do with A. We've already agreed in other posts Bill Clinton is a pig. That says nothing about Foley being a pig or not ot abot you being a pig. They are separate issues.

Foley is in fact a piece of garbage. That has no bearing on Bill Clinton being a pig. Bill Clinton being a pig has no bearing on Foley being a piece of garbage. They are mutally exclusive facts.

rdw: I'm all for Foley getting trashed and prosecuted for the emails and barred from Congress but let's hold off on the child molestation charges until we find out if he actually touched anyone.

thomas1 is the one who brought up child molestation charges...

So the question is what did they do in San Diego? And what were they planning to do on Friday

And do we know the answer? If it's what you think it is the Congressman will be going to jail for a long time. If it isn't you are just another chickenshit behind a firewall.

thomas1 is the one who brought up child molestation charges

I didn't see him use my name. That was you.

my favorite abramoff quote:

"I have more pictures of [Newt Gingrich] than I have of my wife." - Jack Abramoff 3/7/06

rdw..

you are mistaken

again...

So rdw, whould you at least say that being a piece of garbage is much worse than being a pig?

rdw:So the question is what did they do in San Diego? And what were they planning to do on Friday

And do we know the answer?

gop leadership was warned 5-years ago of the problem...

but...

like fighting terror before 9-11...

looks like they weren't interested..

rdw: "That takes real balls from behind a firewall."

Just like the steady stream of lies and slander that you post all the time, you simpering, snivelling hypocritical little coward.

here's another abramoff favorite:

"Tom Delay is who all of us want to be when we grow up." - Jack Abramoff speaking to the College Republican Conference 2002

The Foley scandal is nothing but a distraction from the revelation in Woodward's book that Condoleeza Rice comitted perjury in her testimony to the 9/11 Commission.

Foley wrote in some emails that he wanted to fondle boys.

Condoleeza Rice lied to the American people, the US Congress and the 9/11 Commission about vital matters of national security, and continues to lie in the faces of the public today.

Which is more important?

Which one will get a longer discussion thread on Political Animal?

Yea, we had info that al-queda was determined to strike. yeah, we saw the bulge in rep. foley's pants as he followed young pages into restrooms. But thats not good intel, thats not actionable, but thanks for second-guessing...next question?

s.a.....good point...

she lied about the use of planes being used as weapons...

she was with bush in milan for the g-8 in july-2001...

airspace was closed twice due to threat of planes being used as weapons...

rice has a history of lying...

Thomas1, get your lies straight:

Thomas1 on October 2, 2006 at 2:48 PM: I'm not an ex-Democrat (yet)

Thomas1 on October 1, 2006 at 3:55 PM: As an ex-Democrat I must advise you that it will be a grave mistake.

whould you at least say that being a piece of garbage is much worse than being a pig?

Yes, Foley was hitting on kids. There's no comparison between him and Clinton.

I suspect if what he did is limited to what I know of, text mail and email, charges will be minor although I'm not a lawyer. If this was more than words he'll get and deserve serious time.

Bill is still the sleeze-bag but he's not in that league.

sa...she was probably coached by the decider/uniter.

UM have you seen 60 minutes, These guys did not touch these young boys and girls,But when they walk out the door the cops handcuff and haul them away and charged with a crime.So lets not try the (well he may not have even laid a hand on these youg boys).It is still a crime.

"Rep. Fred Richmond (D-N.Y.); Rep. Gerry Studds (D-Mass.); Sen. Brock Adams (D-Wash.); Rep. Jim Bates (D-Calif.); Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-Ill.); and Rep. Gary Condit (D-Calif.)"

they are not in public office now, are they?

are the repubs too stupid to learn from other peoples' mistakes??

The Foley scandal is nothing but a distraction from the revelation in Woodward's book that Condoleeza Rice comitted perjury in her testimony to the 9/11 Commission.

Gossip is not revelation. This isn't even very good gossip. How ironic Woodward, The Washington Post, 60 Minutes, the NYTs and the rest of the MSM all time the release of this book for the day the Foley news hits. You would think ABC would time it better. It seems Bob isn't owning the headlines as much as expected.

Well, The Pubs in Florida have moved swiftly to nominate a replacement for Foley - His E-mail handle of JoN54 is probably just a coincidence.

rdw..hypothetically, if I was put on camera after a political witch hunt and asked if I had sex with a woman not my wife, I believe I would lie. If that what makes him a pig, than I'm a pig. If the affair makes him the pig, well, we got a shitload of pigs male and female in this country. Don't you really feel kind of funny including Clinton's life in a discussion of Foley's alleged overtures to minors?

didn't I read you stating that your kids had "other priorities" while damning another poster whose children are breaking a tradition of service? Wasn't that you? If I have the wrong troll, my appologies.

No, I did not damn GCs son for breaking the families military tradition. This is America and as I made abundantly clear we are ALL free to pursue our own goals. When mama suggested mama and papa stopped the son because of GWB I told them the Army wanted men not mama's boys.

I also pointed out that just because I served it doesn't mean you are a coward because you didn't or my vote should count more. I pointed out the entire chickenhawk charge was braindead because this is America, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

November 8 2006, Headline Dems take super majority in the House and Senate.Americans send Neocons message We are taking are country back.

Get a ruler out and measure it for me, Thomas1.

just askin'-It was Thomas1, I believe, who keeps putting those damming names up there. He is a lifelong democrat..uh, today anyway.

Let's clarify that one rdw - after a man-to-man with his father, our son opted to not join the Marine reserves. He listened to the voice of experience, yes, but he is certainly not a "mama's boy." So take your "we need men not boys" crack and insert it somewhere painful.

Had he joined the USMC-R he would have been deployed. He would not have finished college beore deployment and he would not be a linguist today, and he would not be teaching Arabic to officers while he pursues a grad degree. I think he is contributing in a very real and necessary way.

If Moyers really wants to discuss capitol crimes, he should air excerpts of "Path to 9/11"...

I'm sure this has been observed already, but Moyers' baliwick is journalism, not fiction.

If that what makes him a pig, than I'm a pig. If the affair makes him the pig, well, we got a shitload of pigs male and female in this country. Don't you really feel kind of funny including Clinton's life in a discussion of Foley's alleged overtures to minors?

Clinton is a pig on many levels and cheating on hillary is not at the top of the list. Their marriage is their business but we know for a fact he cheated throughout their marriage with amazing frequency and she probably knew about most of it. She certainly knew about Genefer Flowers and their decade long affair.

The thing about Monica that was so sleezey was the nature of the relationship. A true feminist would define it as abusive. The turds parading as feminist of course gave him a pass. Monica Lewensky was an exceptionally pathetic figure in the shadow of the President of the USA in terms of age and position and anyone who can defend him as engaging in consensual sex is a bigger pig than he is. The enablers are often worse and this is no exception.

It's obvious Bill's marriage was not the 'normal' marriage and that was by mutual consent.

In terms of someone taking a marriage vowel and then chearing on their spouse they are a pig. That goes for you and anyone else. I don't think we have as many pigs among us as you do but that doesn't change anything.

Clinton has nothing to do with Foley nor were his actions as reprehensible. I just love bringing up Slick Willie and Monica. It reminds liberals of how much they've had to compromise with their values to support the turd.

Woah ... I've never seen a thread trashed so quickly.

Just shows how desperate the trolls are, Bob. In fact, I use what I call the "Charlie Factor": The more Chuckles the Clown (today posing as "Thomas1") tries to distract with his mendacious tomfoolery, the more damaging the issue to the GOP.

I think he is contributing in a very real and necessary way

And as I've already said to you, May God Bless him for doing so. Conservatives are not the ones using this braindead chickenhawk theme. That's the libs. I did not being it up and I characterized what I said accurately.

but Moyers' baliwick is journalism,

Moyers is a bitter political hack from the LBJ administration. He's no more a journalist than you are.

I am on record that we need to have a serious discussion about some form of mandatory national service. It needn't be military, though some would undoubtedly take that option. It could be service with the Red Cross, or with Americorps or the National Health Service or a medical corp of some sort.

None of my conservative counterparts have stepped up to have that discussion however - but if you want to do so, I will be back in an hour - young minds await indoctination by this particular liberal academic. I will check back in after class, or you can feel free to send an email - it works.

rdw: In terms of someone taking a marriage vowel

I'd like to buy an A, Reverend Sajak.

The more Chuckles the Clown (today posing as "Thomas1") tries to distract with his mendacious tomfoolery, the more damaging the issue to the GOP.

Word. You don't even need to follow the money anymore to find the corruption, just the shrill tone.

Moyers is a bitter political hack from the LBJ administration. He's no more a journalist than you are.

Thanks for proving my point of 3:47 pm, Wooten.

"In terms of someone taking a marriage vowel and then chearing on their spouse they are a pig. That goes for you and anyone else. I don't think we have as many pigs among us as you do but that doesn't change anything." I think you meant vow and cheating but I make typos all the time, I forgive you. I'm retired military, grew up in the military, married a child of life-long republicans, I am a son of life-long republicans, and I live in very red state. So when you "say pigs among us" are we talking about the same people? I really didn't plan on defending slick W but I am always bothered by the lets blame Clinton crowd...

With this E, I thee wed.

The ABRAMOFF scandal was quite simple.

Tom Delay and Jerry Fallwell went to the Mariana Islands, held helpless women captive, raped them and forced them to abort the resulting children.

In return, some Republicans in Congress got a lotta dough.

For richer and for poorer, in sickness and in health, until we are parted by consonants.

Forsaking all umlauts.

In the name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy O.

In terms of someone taking a marriage vowel and then chearing on their spouse they are a pig.

OK, so John McCain, Rudolph Giuliani, Newt "Three Times Lucky" Gingrich, Henry Hyde, Bill O'Reilly, Bob Dole, George Bush Senior, Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzennegger, Gary Bauer, and Dan Burton are all pigs. After all, they all took marriage "vowels" (I presume it was an "A" for adultery?)

The Holy O!

I like it! Yes! Yes! Yeeesssss!

I'm sorry, what was the topic again?

Mazel triphthong!

A holy O? I like it! The only times I have ever seen God, there was a big O involved, definitely. "O God!!!"

In terms of someone taking a marriage vowel and then chearing on their spouse they are a pig.

Is that meant to be "cheering on their spouse"? Like in the egg toss, or the sack race?

What's so wrong about that? I mean, as long as you keep your marriage to the union of one man, one woman, and one company picnic.

Can I kiss Vanna now?

I don't know which of those men cheated on their wives, if any. Getting divorced and remarrying is not cheating. In the case of at least 3 or 4 you are merely being a bigger pig than Slick Willie.

I like to buy a "C".

Have often wondered why some atheists invoke various gods' names while coming. Not saying I do it, you understand.

Does that "C" stand for "congressman?"

Big John McCain and Rudy Giuliani are pigs on many levels and cheating on their wives is not at the top of the list. Their marriage is their business but we know for a fact Big John and Rudy cheated throughout their respective marriages with amazing frequency and their wives probably knew about most of it.

It's obvious Rudy's marriage was not the 'normal' marriage and that was by mutual consent.

In terms of someone taking a marriage vowe and then cheating on their spouse they are a pig. That goes for you and anyone else. I don't think we have as many pigs among us as you do but that doesn't change anything.

I just love bringing up Big John and Rudy. It reminds conservatives of how much they've had to compromise with their supposed moral values to support the adulterous pigs.

I didn't get the C reference, either. But then we've established I'm naive.

Come with me Foley, but bring your own "V".

Non-orgasmic?

"C" for child as in No Child Left Behind. But Congressman works for Jack A. which brings us back to topic.

I don't know which of those men cheated on their wives, if any.

I know: John McCain, Rudolph Giuliani, Newt "Three Times Lucky" Gingrich, Henry Hyde, Bill O'Reilly, Bob Dole, George Bush Senior, Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzennegger, Gary Bauer, and Dan Burton.

Getting divorced and remarrying is not cheating.

No, but having an affair and then getting divorced -- that is cheating.

Ah, back in the topic that Jack built.

'pubs are perverts - I'm sure not defending them.
Unlike the underpaid trolls here.
Posted by: razorboy

Underpaid? dude anyone paying these foobs for the lame ass shit they post is being ripped off.

I think you meant vow and cheating but I make typos all the time

Ok on this I do have to confess. My typing is a tad less than professional grade and my spelling not much better but even so that was exceptionally stupid.

I'm not blaming Clinton for anything other than what he did. He did cheat on his wife constantly and that makes him a pig. Especially having a child and knowing the potential devastation to the children in a family torn apart due to infidelity. I've seen it and if there's a God there will be a place in hell for those people who have done this to their kids.

The pigs among us, this is my definition, are those who take these kinds of maritial risks which expose so many innocents to such long term damage. The evidence is that Bill Clinton cheated on his family every day of his daughters life. He's a pig and so is everyone else who has done the same thing.

I don't have much opinion on childless couples with a different set of rules mutually agreed to. The marriage vow is critical as a family vow. How a childless family may wish to amend their vow is their business. Any man who would priortize his sex life over his kids is scum.

Great, i'll bet Thomas is compiling a list of all dems who cheated on their wives at one time or another. I like "wheel of in-fidelity" better.

Where, oh where, has Bob Livingston gone? From "chearing" to becoming a top lobbyist? Hmmm, how chearing pays.

Underpaid? dude anyone paying these foobs for the lame ass shit they post is being ripped off.

Troll work is about quantity, not quality.

Moyers is a bitter political hack from the LBJ administration. He's no more a journalist than you are.

This Foley thing is driving them batshit insane isn't it?

No, but having an affair and then getting divorced -- that is cheating.

We know two things: Having an affair is sleezy and you are sleezy.

Where, oh where, has Bob Livingston gone? From "chearing" to becoming a top lobbyist? Hmmm, how chearing pays.

From the same Republican sex scandal, whatever happened to that cheating skank Helen Chenoweth? Don't you wonder how some of these Republicans find two people who'll sleep with them?

Such drollery! rdw wrote: I'm not blaming Clinton for anything other than what he did. He did cheat on his wife constantly and that makes him a pig. ...The evidence is that Bill Clinton cheated on his family every day of his daughters life. He's a pig and so is everyone else who has done the same thing.

Well, for starters, I'd be inclined to wonder what "evidence" rdw is referring to (every day?!) but we know how, um, fertile Wooten's imagination is.

But I take it, Wooten, that by "He's a pig and so is everyone else who has done the same thing," you agree that (h/t Stefan) John McCain, Rudolph Giuliani, Newt "Three Times Lucky" Gingrich, Henry Hyde, Bill O'Reilly, Bob Dole, George Bush Senior, Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzennegger, Gary Bauer, and Dan Burton are pigs as well?

We know two things: Having an affair is sleezy and you are sleezy.

Yeah, Stefan! You have some damn nerve pointing out all these adulterous Republicans, you filthy messenger! (You missed quite a few, hon.)

Any man who would priortize his sex life over his kids is scum.

Great, so John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, George H.W. Bush, Henry Hyde, Bill O'Reilly, Bob Dole, Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzennegger, Gary Bauer, and Dan Burton, all of whom had children at the time they had affairs and all of whom, therefore, prioritized their sex life over their children are scum.

You heard it from rdw first, kids. John McCain = scum. Rudy Giuliani = scum. Newt Gingrich = scum. Bob Dole = scum, etc. etc. etc.

Gregory: Well, for starters, I'd be inclined to wonder what "evidence" rdw is referring to (every day?!)

Quite simple mistake, really. rdw assumes that Bill Clinton uses his penis as often as rdw thinks about Clinton's penis.

I believe the "C" was meant to complete the name of the new West Palm Beach air charter service. It is an offshoot of AerLingus, the Irish Airline. Foley will be able to provide charter service for other Publicans with similar tastes. "Be sure to fly C__iLingus Air. We cater to the younger set."

I've seen it and if there's a God there will be a place in hell for those people who have done this to their kids.

Wow, so according to rdw John McCain and Rudy Giuliani are going to hell? Wonder how all those values voters will feel about voting for GOP presidential candidates who are, by rdw's definition, hell-bound?

Potential devastation..yes, agreed. Real damages in this case, I don't see it. Hillary has gone on to be a great senator (imo) and I think that Chelsea has graduated from stanford. I think the everyday of his daughters life is a little over the top. Even Wilt the Stilt wasn't that bad (or good depending on your viewpoint).

If a military officer commits adultery, they risk losing their career. Officers get Court Martialed all the time for infidelity. I don't have a problem with it. That little UCMJ restriction got rid of two of the worst commanders I ever had, and I went to the club and got good and drunk both times.

I do not defend Bill Clinton's infidelity. That is his personal life. I don't have to like it, and it certainly is not my responsibility to defend it. I defend his political life, but not his personal. He was my C in C for three years, after the Reagan and Bush presidencies. I can't really judge Reagan as my C in C - I was in ROTC back then, not active duty. But Bush 1? No thanks. (But he was a damn sight better than the shrub. I have been among the Big Red 1 for a few days, I went to visit my boyfriend at Ft. Riley. The officers are agitated if they speak frankly, honestly, and off the record)

If Foley were an officer, he would not merely face termination of his commission. He would also face some rocks at Leavenworth and I would hand him the sledgehammer. That goes for anyone preying on children. Nobody gets a mulligan.

I'd be inclined to wonder what "evidence" rdw is referring to

Gennifer Flowers for one had a 12-yr affair with Slick Willie complete with tapes to prove it. We do know Bill had 22-yr Paula Jones brought up to his hotel room and came out 20 minutes later and they both wre smiling. You can assume Paula was there for the same reasons Hillary thought Monica was there, for counseling. It wouldn't be the 1st time Bill made an ass of her and you.

BTW: making sleezy accusations of a list of republicans makes you the sleeze not them.

Don't push me! I'm getting hysterical! Don't fucking push me, libs!

BTW: making sleezy accusations of a list of republicans makes you the sleeze not them.

No, fucking other women while their wives and children are waiting for them at home is what makes those Republicans sleazes.

Real damages in this case, I don't see it

It would seem so but a great deal of humiliation and unnecessary pain. Many kids are able to surmount lousy parents. Reagans father was a drunk. That's good for Chelsea and good for Hillary but no excuse for Slick Willie. We all know how devastating this can be on kids. Making it seem like 'no big deal' was spineless of his defenders.

Gennifer Flowers for one had a 12-yr affair with Slick Willie complete with tapes to prove it. We do know Bill had 22-yr Paula Jones brought up to his hotel room and came out 20 minutes later and they both wre smiling.

Even granting your Drudge Report fantasies, you've hardly accounted for every day of Chelsea's life. So dish us out the dirt, Wooten! Surely you weren't letting your mouth write a check your brain can't cash?!

BTW: making sleezy accusations of a list of republicans makes you the sleeze not them.

Of course, making "sleezy", thinly-sourced accusations against a single Democrat is just hunky-dory.

But seriously, Wooten, wouldn't you agree that these adulterous Republicans are pigs? Hyde, for one, admitted his "youthful indiscretions", and Gingrich's daliiances are a matter of public record as well.

Put up or shut up, Wooten. Pigs? Or IOKIYAR?

Cindy Hensley for one had an affair with Big John McCain while she was 25 and Big John was married to Carol McCain. We do know John had 25-yr Cindy brought up to his hotel room and came out 20 minutes later and they both wre smiling. You can assume Cindy wasn't there for counseling. Big John then dumped his wife Carol and their three kids and married Cindy so he could use her family money to jumpstart his political career. It wouldn't be the 1st time the gigolo Big John made an ass of his wife and you.

Even Wilt the Stilt wasn't that bad (or good depending on your viewpoint).

I played football on Tuskin playground where Wilt played Basketball. Overbrook would have been my high school but as you can tell I received a high quality catholic high school education. Part of Wilts legend is that it was every day. Part of the mystery of his death is that it was sooo soon was because it was every day. He didn't have any diseases. He just wore out.

Wilt was a single guy and a high quality individual. He was and remains a beloved sports figure in philly.

The trolls have finally done it. They have got us talking about Bill Clinton's zipper. Folks the topic of this thread is supposed to be Abramoff and to a lesser extent Foley. Slick Willy is history. The other two are real life examples of Republican cover up hypocracy.

Judith Nathan for another had an affair with Rudy Giuliani while Rudy was married to Donna Hanover. We do know Rudy had Judith brought up to his mayor's office many times and they came out 5 minutes later and they both wre smiling. You can assume Judith wasn't there for urban renewal. Rudy then dumped his wife Donna and their four kids and moved out of the family home to live with a gay couple. It wouldn't be the 1st time Rudy made an ass of his wife and you.

But seriously, Wooten, wouldn't you agree that these adulterous Republicans are pigs

"IF" true, absolutely!!!!!

rdw, simple question: is John McCain, who cheated on his wife while he was married and had three kids, a scum and a pig? Yes or no?

Wow, the Trolletariat sock puppet brigade is really freaked by the damage the Foley scandal can do to the Groping Old Pedophiles (GOP). It has been a while since I have seen this degree of desperation and idiocy within their talking points in their attempts to make this mountain into a molehill as someone already put it. The problem for the GOP here is that this was their man, on their watch, with their leadership covering it up and allowing Foley to stay in place to do this to more young teenage boys. I find this attempt to spin it as minor because there was no physical contact (or at least has not been reported that there was yet, like shortstop I know that these sorts of pedophiles have long histories and his is likely to start showing up thanks to the scrutiny and notoriety this incident is generating) reeks of desperation, especially since by the legislation Foley himself wrote he is a pedophile and committing a sexual crime since the boy was not 18 yet.

Sucks to be forced to deflect and minimize this scandal to the GOP, which also likely accounts for the rank fear and desperation we have all seen here. This is clear cut and it cuts to the heart of the premise that the GOP is the moral party of ethics that they somehow let a sexual predator go unchecked even after his behaviour came to the notice of the GOP House leadership. I said it the first time I commented on this matter and I will say it again, this issue is the perfect wedge to destroy the GOP false image of morality and reliability and trustworthiness for the Dems and they would be utter morons to not take advantage of it. The GOP certainly sees the risks, look at Tony Snow's CNN interview this morning where he played it off as "naughty emails" which he had to walk back this afternoon at the WH Daily Briefing.

The Trolletariat is terrified because they have used false smears (especially sexual ones) to discredit the Dems, now they are facing the potential of a serious sex scandal involving underage children not only by one of their members but also that the leadership of the GOP in the House covered it up instead of doing the responsible thing. This scandal is real, and goes to the heart of being able to trust, and without that blind trust the GOP has lost their biggest defence against those voters starting to wonder whether the Dems and independents have a point about how corrupt and dangerous to the American Constitution the GOP has become over the last decade and especially over the last five years. For a party that convicted a President for having consensual sex with an adult that chased/initiated the relationship and claimed that made him unfit for high office the notion that they would accept a pedophile predator in their own party and cover up his sins demonstrates a level of hypocrisy too big too ignore. This is especially true if you are someone that votes on moral values issues first and that is the core base of the current GOP.

This is bad enough, with Woodward's book and increased focus on the Abramoff scandal also coming into focus in the last weeks of the election cycle the GOP and it's operatives are desperate to somehow neutralize this issue and return things to terrorism where they can go back to scaring people into voting for them, instead of these things which will scare people from voting GOP this time.

Sucks to be Chuckles, his sock puppets and their occasional reinforcements at this blog. What goes around comes around, especially for Chuckles that has shown time and again just how terrified he is of sexuality and how much he sees it as a weapon to discredit voices he dislikes now having to defend through deflection and distraction a predator pedophile GOPer and the leadership which protected him. I LOVE IT!!!

Even granting your Drudge Report fantasies

Don't you realize Paula Jones made the entire impeachment possible? That simple bastard could have settled 6 years earlier for far less money and be done with it. No Paula, No testimony. No testimony, No Monica, No Monica, No blue Dress. No Perjury, No impeachment. No perjury no $800K bribe to Paula to go away and no loss of his law license.

The most interesting aspect was the fact two state troopers provided the tstimony and what kept the story live was an unusually stupid lie by Bill Clinton. Michael Isakoff of newweek vobered this in detail. He has heard there might be a story and went to check it out. Clinton told him he was at the convention where the incident took place but left in the afternoon and could not have been there when Paula said it happened.

Isakoff figured he's check Clintons story and when it checked out he's report him clean and probably not even repeat the rumor. Except he found out Clinton lied about being at the hotel that night and it was a rather poor lie. Clinton was hiding something. It was only then Isakoff knew he had a story. He was able to put Bill Clinton and Paula Jones alone in Bill Clintons hotel room 10:00 PM one night for 20 minutes.

Nova,

"IF" true, absolutely.