October 13, 2006
SANTORUM MELTS DOWN....Via Isaac Chotiner, check out this video of Rick Santorum's debate with Bob Casey last night. Casey makes a rather garden-variety debating point about the short workweek in Congress these days, suggesting that Santorum and his colleagues ought to spend more time on the people's business, and Santorum goes nuts. It's impossible to do it justice in print, but his finger-jabbing rant goes something like this:
Look at the camera, Mr. Casey. Look at the camera. Look at the camera and answer the question. Look at the camera! JUST LOOK AT THE CAMERA!!
This happens about three or four minutes into the debate, and you can practically see the spittle flying into the camera lens. The moderator finally manages to get a word in edgewise and shut him up, but Santorum sure gives every impression of a guy who's completely lost it.
UPDATE: Oliver Willis has a YouTube of the relevant part of the debate here.
—Kevin Drum 2:41 PM
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"completely lost it" is most apt.
Posted by: Slothrop on October 13, 2006 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK
... which all happened just after the Democrat and moderator started attacking his children and where they go to school. Nice. Democrats: Trying to get political points by attacking children!
Posted by: American Hawk on October 13, 2006 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK
Yes, because Repubs have shown themselves to be such excelolent protectors of children lately. Do you ever think before you type? You might want to give it a try.
Anyway, Santorum the Killer Fruit (he gets the Brylcreem wholesale) has been scheduled for this breakdown for quite some time. I wonder how many of these guys will come out of the closet after the Bushies sail off into the toxic sunset.
Posted by: Kenji on October 13, 2006 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK
Attacking? You mean questioning. As opposed to Repubs who gain political points by ignoring child molesters. Just so we're straight on your bullshit.
Posted by: Mark on October 13, 2006 at 2:57 PM | PERMALINK
I live in the Philly area and Santorum was on a local politics show called "Live at Issue." At the end of the show the host asked him about the "weird socialization" quote from his book. He tried explaining it and then kept digging himself deeper and deeper. Finally he just stopped talking and gave up. He slouched front and then raised his left hand. it looked as if he was conceding the election right there. it was amazing. I can't wait for this guy to be gone.
Posted by: fxk on October 13, 2006 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK
Watching Santorum lose (assuming it happens) will be one of the joys of November 7. He truly is one of the quintessential modern Republicans.
Posted by: Alek Hidell on October 13, 2006 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK
Umm, doesn't the issue of whether Santorum actually lives in the state he purports to represent have some relevance, A.H.? If the charge is a sore spot with him, perhaps it should be...
Posted by: idlemind on October 13, 2006 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK
Was it just me, or did Casey also seem like a total asshole during that exchange too? I can't tell if it's his nature, or if he saw Santorum losing it and decided to goad him into making a fool of himself.
Whatever. Even if Casey is a jerk, Congress will be a better place without Senator Man-on-dog.
Posted by: Nat on October 13, 2006 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK
Perhaps the WMDs that Santorum claimed to have found in Iraq have destroyed his brain?
Posted by: CParis on October 13, 2006 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK
a guy who's completely lost it.
Did he ever really have it?
I kept expecting a SNL laugh track. Bizarre.
Democrats: Trying to get political points by attacking children!
Reminds me of the fake attack ad from Head of State with Chris Rock,
"Mays Gilliam, he's for cancer!"
Posted by: E. Henry Thripshaw on October 13, 2006 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK
Democrats: Trying to get political points by attacking children!
And it is oh=-so-noble for Publicans to use them as human shields against embarassing questions, a la Reynolds?
Next?
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 13, 2006 at 3:21 PM | PERMALINK
How can old Ricky stay sane, with all those dogs on the loose??
Posted by: Al's Mommy on October 13, 2006 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK
Democrats: Trying to get political points by attacking children!
Republicans: Trying to get their jollies by mounting children in the Capitol!
Arrgh! Ye scurvy butt pirate Mark Foley has absconded from treatment and taken a sloop with twenty like-minded souls on a cruise into the dark waters of debauchery and madness...avast and be a-fearin' him raising his flag in your harbor!
Posted by: Pale Rider on October 13, 2006 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK
Next thing you know, Santorum will be jumping over couches.
Posted by: Vincent on October 13, 2006 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK
Shut up! Cut his mic!
Posted by: Bill on October 13, 2006 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK
More televised wingnut breakdowns, please. I'll get the popcorn.
Posted by: Speed on October 13, 2006 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK
More YouTube please !
"The future is here. It's just not evenly distributed yet." - William Gibson
Posted by: daCascadian on October 13, 2006 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK
That is why he is Rick Sanitorium
Posted by: Matt on October 13, 2006 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK
Conservative Republican't's slogan:
We are not pedophiles.
Moderate Republican't's slogan:
We are not murderers.
Posted by: gregor on October 13, 2006 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK
Tricky Rick is losing it alright. My favorite was where his opponent hit him with quotes from Spectre!
*play the James Bond theme here*
Posted by: parrot on October 13, 2006 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK
American Hawk is the best kind of troll. He'll defend the lowest of the low! This is why the Republican Party is now a laughing stock. Keep up the good work, Hawk.
Posted by: robG on October 13, 2006 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK
He's like that Republican flake who debated Hillary. I swear he could hardly restrain himself from actually hitting her.
Posted by: cld on October 13, 2006 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK
They both acted like children. I sort of empathized with Santorum being exasperated with these types of questions, but his unhinged response squandered any empathy I felt. It also looked terrible.
Posted by: Daniel, Esq. on October 13, 2006 at 4:32 PM | PERMALINK
Geez, Casey's a dick. I mean, Santorum's gotta go, but couldn't they find anyone better?
Posted by: Buckethead on October 13, 2006 at 4:41 PM | PERMALINK
This shouldn't surprise anyone. The guys crazy.
Posted by: dee on October 13, 2006 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK
You know, I watched the whole debate, and I think that Santorum was pretty effective. Of course, since I'm a strong supporter of man on dog relationships, I just can't support Santorum.
Posted by: mjk on October 13, 2006 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK
I love the smell of desperation in the morning. It smells like... that frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex.
http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/
Posted by: Thin White Guy on October 13, 2006 at 4:44 PM | PERMALINK
And I thought Jim Talent got a wee bit hysterical in his debate with Claire McCaskill a couple of nights ago - why Santorum made Talent look, well, Senatorial by comparison.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 13, 2006 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK
Why are they so close together? Couldn't they afford to move the camera back?
Posted by: craigie on October 13, 2006 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK
Gawd, it's American whoops I mean Commie Hawk.
Hey, Commie Hawk, which furrin country are you a fugitive from?
YOu should go home and finish that prison sentence.
We have enough fascists here. We don't need furrin nazi fascists pretending to be American nazi fascists.
Posted by: POed Lib on October 13, 2006 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK
I just loved Casey's comment
"Don't be a desperate candidate, Rick."
Too anti-fascist nazi funny for words.
Posted by: POed Lib on October 13, 2006 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK
I live in the Philly area and Santorum was on a local politics show called "Live at Issue." At the end of the show the host asked him about the "weird socialization" quote from his book. He tried explaining it and then kept digging himself deeper and deeper. Finally he just stopped talking and gave up. He slouched front and then raised his left hand. it looked as if he was conceding the election right there. it was amazing. I can't wait for this guy to be gone.
He is the very face of evil to me. He's a pretty decent looking guy, but such a hatred and blackness in his soul.
Chilling.
Posted by: POed Lib on October 13, 2006 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK
Sick Rantmoron.
The GOP is unhinged lately. From the top down. Yow.
Posted by: Sparko on October 13, 2006 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK
The GOP is unhinged lately. From the top down. Yow.
Posted by: Sparko on October 13, 2006 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK
And we control all the nukes.
WHHEEEEEEEEE!
Posted by: Karl Rove on October 13, 2006 at 5:14 PM | PERMALINK
November 7th can't come fast enough
Posted by: Boorring on October 13, 2006 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK
"He's a pretty decent looking guy..."
Sure, if you're looking for a Pee-wee Herman type to pretend to date for Grandma's sake, while you're really going out with the motorcycle dude.
All I know for sure is that ol' Rick is two "eyes" short of a Sanitorium.
Posted by: Kenji on October 13, 2006 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK
Let us not forget that this is a man who brought a 20 week old fetus home for his older children to cuddle: ah, think of the future therapy bills! Sanitorium keeps a photo of the fetus on his soon-to-be vacated Senate office wall. He is a whackadoodle ansd I can't wait to bid him Adieu!
Posted by: beth on October 13, 2006 at 5:45 PM | PERMALINK
"a PeeWee Herman type"
Does Rick still go to the movie theaters alone?
Posted by: thethirdPaul on October 13, 2006 at 5:45 PM | PERMALINK
Yeah, that creeped me out too, Beth. That was enough for reasonable people to send him packing.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 13, 2006 at 6:09 PM | PERMALINK
I don't know. He seems like the model, modern American to me.
Posted by: Pechorin on October 13, 2006 at 6:27 PM | PERMALINK
Ever notice that Santorum speaks with clenched teeth? That's kind of dangerous for someone who also speaks with forked tongue.
Posted by: bryrock on October 13, 2006 at 6:28 PM | PERMALINK
I hate Santorum, but he came off nowhere near as poorly as the write-up suggested. Casey was unimpressive too, particularly in his response to Santorum's tirade. Casey had a chance to "rise above" Santorum after he lowered his stature, and instead seemed to let Santorum take him down a little during his own descent.
Posted by: Jason on October 13, 2006 at 6:31 PM | PERMALINK
When you only get 60 seconds to answer a question, it's pretty hard not to come off looking bad. Especially when the moderators waste everyone's time by asking stupid-ass questions.
If I remember correctly, there was this big New Hampshire debate on January 22, 2004, where Wesley Clark didn't get a single substantive question for the entire hour. He was asked twice about his party affiliation, about Michael Moore, and a bunch of completely irrelevant crap that had nothing to do with being president.
Posted by: Chris on October 13, 2006 at 6:42 PM | PERMALINK
Sombody in my nabe has a Santorum bumper sticker (you know, cuz it's Pennsy plates) with the one-word exclamation "Rick!"
This person whited out the first letter :)
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 13, 2006 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK
You guys scare me. I am a Liberal, and I think Santorum was more informed on the real issues about how to increase the number of special FORCES as well as some of the details about what visitor from Iran.
If we expect to win the moderates and independents over, were going to have to do a much better job of knowing what we are talking about, than what Casey displayed. It was embarassing as a Democrat.
I even knew the details on the challenges facing the US on increasing special forces. We better get our act together if we expect to earn the power back.
You guys better start waking up an start seeing things straight. If you guys are this lost, thinking Santorum lost this debate, nobody is going to demand better from our leadership.
Wake up guys!
Posted by: hiLiberal on October 13, 2006 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK
Buckethead,
Beggars can't be choosers. As a constituent of Santorum's, I would have preferred somebody pro-choice.
hiLiberal,
Thanks so much for your utterly sincere concern.
Posted by: Matt on October 13, 2006 at 7:05 PM | PERMALINK
It's Planned Planetarium.
Posted by: Kenji on October 13, 2006 at 7:24 PM | PERMALINK
Rick Santorum has made some really screwy statements and he was in lock step with Bushie, who's poll numbers are in the toilet.
So why isn't Lieberman getting a well deserved axe too?
Losserman has said some whoopers, he should be toast.
Posted by: Cheryl on October 13, 2006 at 7:26 PM | PERMALINK
It's Planned Planetarium.
Bwa!
Posted by: shortstop on October 13, 2006 at 7:28 PM | PERMALINK
Hey, this is awesome. Well, it's creepy and weird that he is a Senator. But, it's a great video.
I was going to post it on my friend's MySpace page. It so happens that his song on that page is Europe's The Final Countdown. Someone has got to synch the video up with that song. It works. It is actually really funny as Rick gets more angry the song can blare "the final countdown". I have not the skill nor the software to do this. But, maybe someone else does.
Rick could be made an internet laughing stock, with either this idea or something better...
Posted by: Chris on October 13, 2006 at 7:31 PM | PERMALINK
If you guys are this lost, thinking Santorum lost this debate, nobody is going to demand better from our leadership
Yeah, well. I tend to not want the one who's so enraged he's got slobber flying from his lips as my representative in government.
Posted by: SED on October 13, 2006 at 7:41 PM | PERMALINK
That's a choice?
Both of them look like total bozos to me.
And one of them is going to be in the US Senate.
No wonder our country is in such dire straits.
sigh
Posted by: Steve on October 13, 2006 at 7:48 PM | PERMALINK
I wonder how much Santorum's campaign paid "hiLiberal" to come up with that shit.
Posted by: just a guest on October 13, 2006 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK
Wow. I'm no Santorum fan, but Casey really got his butt handed to him.
Posted by: Tom on October 13, 2006 at 8:05 PM | PERMALINK
Wow isn't it nice how democrats treat clinton like he is some conquering hero for doing the exact same thing. But Rick Santorum is a nut. You just can't keep doing the liberal thing and think you can have everything both ways. Ever think Clinton and Santorum might just be sick of all the accusing on both sides and just might think it is time to wake up and stop blaming everyone else. So of course the way it works is they are both nuts or both heroes. Both did the exact same thing.
Posted by: Richard Rhodes on October 13, 2006 at 8:41 PM | PERMALINK
Yeah, well. I tend to not want the one who's so enraged he's got slobber flying from his lips as my representative in government.
I want the guy who knows what he is talking about, not pretending. Dont get me wrong, I think Santorum is and ASSHAT for trying to shove that old WMD story down our throat...again. I dont like his stance on much of anything. But he DID know what he was talking about when it came to the details, Casey didnt.
The thing is, all the hate radio shows will use this debate to prove their point.....that Democrats dont have a position, they just complain and spout talking points. Casey gave them a fine example of that. If he is going to talk about ramping up our Special Forces, he better know what he is talking about.
Just go to Grims Hall to learn how to have honest discourse with Marines and Soldiers about what is requirred to ramp up our Special Forces and different divisions in the military.
Casey had several shots at embarrassing Santorum and missed it. For one, he could have said that while we havent been attacked at home (yet) we have trained a whole new generation of terrorists and terrorist sympathizers who can move around the world to practice what they have learned in Iraq.
We could have refrained from giving them that training camp and prevented the number of Muslim hearts and minds that are being lost as a result of our actions in Iraq....but instead we got ZIP.
I wonder how much Santorum's campaign paid "hiLiberal" to come up with that shit.
Don't even try that with me. I spend every morning on the radio here in Honolulu arguing with idiot Senator Fred Hemmings about the Iraq mess and correcting their campaign of disinformation.
Its probably a whole lot more effort than you make sitting here in this liberal echo chamber cheerleading that poor performance by a Democrat. I am SERIOUSLY concerned for our party. We need more leadership and elevated dialouge on these matters that can turn the minds of the moderates and Joe six packs across this country.
Were not going to switch anyones opinion buy pretending to know what were talking about.
Posted by: hiLiberal on October 13, 2006 at 8:56 PM | PERMALINK
I'm actually jealous that Casey gets to run against Santorum; what could possibly be more fun for a political candidate?
Posted by: craig on October 13, 2006 at 10:18 PM | PERMALINK
Richard Rhodes: "Ever think Clinton and Santorum might just be sick of all the accusing on both sides and just might think it is time to wake up and stop blaming everyone else. So of course the way it works is they are both nuts or both heroes. Both did the exact same thing."
I'm going to give you a Mulligan for this nonsense, because you've obviously sprained your brain.
Suffice to say -- for now -- that during his twelve years in office, Senator Rick Santorum has been one of the more devoted practicioners on Capitol Hill in the art of defamatory politics, and President Bill Clinton served as one of his foremost targets.
Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on October 13, 2006 at 10:29 PM | PERMALINK
The video trails behind the audio on UTube for me, so I watched most of this with no sound. Try it, it is just hilarious.
Posted by: Jim Bartle on October 13, 2006 at 10:43 PM | PERMALINK
hiLiberal: "You guys scare me. I am a Liberal, and I think Santorum was more informed on the real issues ..."
Ah-HA! You thought you were so smart that you could fool everyone here with your act, didn't you?
Well, my little right-wing rube, no real liberal would ever -- EVER!! -- capitalize the first letter of "liberal" as though it were a proper noun!
You are hereby found guilty of political identity fraud, and are sentenced to attend the next five Joan Baez concerts that are held within a five-hundred mile radius of your home, where you will enthusiastically join the audience as Joan leads you all in a rendition of "Amazing Grace".
Posted by: Donald from Hawaii on October 13, 2006 at 10:50 PM | PERMALINK
I love a good concern troll.
Cute Ed. I don't know what to be more disturbed by, your utter lack of ability to respond intelligently, or by your lack of maturity with your pathetic attempt to make a new kid on the block feel like an outsider in order to make himself feel bigger?
A troll?? Are you serious?? Did you think you earned some kind of cyber hi-5 in your mind with that remark? Give me a break!
Posted by: hiLiberal on October 13, 2006 at 11:06 PM | PERMALINK
hiLiberal:
Cute Ed. I don't know what to be more disturbed by, your utter lack of ability to respond intelligently, or by your lack of maturity with your pathetic attempt to make a new kid on the block feel like an outsider in order to make himself feel bigger?
I don't much care for the "handle" you are using to post with, but I do think you need to understand this about the people who post on Kevin Drum's blog: they are a seething, hateful mass of liberals who would just as soon tear the flesh off the bones of a human being than they would recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
Do not be troubled--you won't be the new kid on the block for very long. I was the new kid once and now I'm an old hand on this cattleman's ranch.
General:
I want you liberals to listen to what your uncle Norman has to say about a man who has made a difference. A man who has stood with his President and made the world safer.
I want to speak to you about a man who has a family, a job, a good life who risks it all to serve the American people.
That man? Richard John Santorum.
Let us take a stroll down memory lane. The time? 1986. The greatest President ever, Ronald Reagan, wields power over a nation enthralled by his genius and his charisma. Mere liberals snort and hide in the shadows when the sunlight that was Reagan would shine down.
In 1986, Santorum received a law degree from the Dickinson School of Law, was admitted to the Pennsylvania bar, and began practicing law in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
That's correct, liberals: Rick Santorum knows the law and you don't.
While working at the law firm of Kirkpatrick & Lockhart, he represented the World Wrestling Federation, arguing that professional wrestling should be exempt from federal steroid regulations because it was not a sport.
The man was ahead of his time! What say you, liberals? The man realized that steroids were a problem in sports and worked to solve the issue long before anyone knew who Barry Bonds was. In point of fact, Rick Santorum easily saved the lives of tens of millions of professional baseball players. Do liberals thank him? Of course not--they post snide comments on blog threads and try to tear down this mountain of a man.
In July 2005, Santorum's Director of Communication, Robert Traynham, confirmed speculation that he was gay, describing himself as an "out gay man" who strongly supported Santorum, "a man of principle, he is a man who sticks up for what he believes in." Santorum responded that it is upsetting that those who are opposed to him would target the private lives of his staff, in attempts to gain ground with his opponents. He stated that Traynham "is widely respected and admired on Capitol Hill" and "continues to have [his] full support and confidence."
Well if the gays support Rick Santorum, the rest of the country can't be far behind.
Vote for Rick Santorum, you damned liberals, you.
He's a man of principles in a world where terrorists want to kill you, your family, your dog and the horse you rode in on.
Posted by: Norman Rogers on October 13, 2006 at 11:20 PM | PERMALINK
Well well well, look whose popped back out from the shadows, our good friend Norman Rogers! Why hello Norman old chap, perhaps now we will get some effort with the troll work again now that you have returned, quite frankly the quality of the opposition has severely dropped off. Where once you were just another example of a walking set of talking points (granted strung into sentences and paragraphs unlike so many of your brethren here) among many these days you represent a shining star of intellect from the conservative voices that have been here of late. Let me guess, the election brought you out of hiding again, that your precious GOP is looking at being hit with their own tsunami in just over three weeks and losing control of the House, Senate and many governorships including Ohio's.
Seeing you Norman passing out condemnations of hatred running rampant in the ranks of the regulars here is yet again your famous sense of projection at work. It was one of your more memorable traits after all, along with your naked contempt for all things not approved by your way of thinking. Indeed, one could argue you represent the intellectual wing of the modern conservative wing as opposed to classical conservatives/Republicans like John McLaughlin and W.F. Buckley. It is too bad though you so rarely have anything of substance to contribute to the conversation instead of simply pouring your derision and contempt for the "liberals" here and throughout the world.
Now, as to the Santorum meltdown, given the degree of strain he must be going through given the fall from grace he is suffering, and looking to be capped off with his defeat (someone that only a few years ago was being touted as a possible Presidential contender) next month this is unsurprising to me, the man always struck me as someone that bends, twists, and eventually folds under pressure. It is no wonder the poor man is losing it, especially given his morality crusades over the years and now being in the party that had a leadership that covered up for a sexual predator in their ranks because of the money he could raise and the seat he represented in maintaining control of the House. Especially given his many tirades regarding gay people and his unhealthy fixation on male gay sex, particularly anal sex which of course got his name synonymous with a byproduct of said act. Suddenly his party is wrapped up with gays in the public mind and he has nowhere to go with his vile use of tactical bigotry/hatred to win elections with. No wonder he lost it.
This may start to be becoming a common feature in the GOP over the next three weeks. When next to no to no Dem Congressional seat is in trouble while dozens of GOP ones appear to be, when there are more races than the GOP has money to handle (which given their resources speaks volumes for the real conditions on the ground for them whatever they say publicly) and a massive anti-incumbency mood in the electorate, is it any wonder so many GOPers that were used to the easy ride on the backs of character assassination cannot gain traction this time out, like poor Rick Santorum? While there are still three weeks to go, this election is starting to firm up against the GOP, and it is likely that those that make up their minds at the last minute will only add to this tidal wave given their tendency to break against incumbents and/or the perceived losing side when election day dawns.
Posted by: Scotian on October 13, 2006 at 11:58 PM | PERMALINK
Well said, Scotian.
I also loved the "Norman Rogers" troll appearance right above, as well as Alice/Al/AH posing as a concern troll and gaffer "hiLiberal." Kevin has some trolls, but damn it all, they are flakier and funnier than on other blogs. This site reads like The Onion many days. Just like Santorum's book.
Hastert's Gay roomate! (tm--a new idiom for great surprise I am pitching), the trolls were funny today.
Posted by: Sparko on October 14, 2006 at 1:03 AM | PERMALINK
hiLiberal:
Well, I don't know quite if you're a concern troll or not, so I'll do like Donald did and give you a mulligan to try to explain this to you once.
If you don't get it; if you attempt to argue with me -- then forget it, you're done, back into the box with you along with Thomas1 and mhr and all the rest of the "more Democrat than thou" crowd.
Nothing more pathetic than that lowliest of trolls, the concern troll ...
Focus: This election isn't going to be won by fighting over Joe Sixpack. Whether you're Kos or Karl Rove, Kevin Drum or Andrew Sullivan -- the one article of faith you have this year is that we have an extremely polarized electorate, with a percentage of true undecideds (as opposed to self-identified "undecideds" with clear partisan voting patterns) is miniscule. Well below 10% and getting lower every day. Plus, it's an off-year election.
So do you know what that means? That means we motivate our base and discourage theirs. Politics ain't beanbag -- and this is how the game is played this year. Democrats have spent way too much time since the Clinton era agonizing over how much to keep their frothin' lefties in the closet as it is -- this is the one sort of election where that kind of concern is completely unwarranted. The only people who will be voting this year will be partisans of one degree or another.
So if a clip of Rick Santorum shows up on YouTube spluttering and frothing and commanding his challenger to look into the camera, and in the seven seconds or so of that clip he looks like a complete unhinged boob, guess what: THAT FUCKING ROCKS !
It *doesn't matter* if Santorum is quoted out of context (heh, tell that one to Howard Dean). It *doesn't matter* if Casey's response was equally lame. Those few video bites of forensic insanity will serve to cheer Democrats and Democrat-supporters and make Santorum-leaners go "who gave this inmate a weekend pass?"
And the only people who will be desperately arguing what Rick Santorum *really meant* will be his partisan supporters.
And you know what? FUCK THEM.
End of story.
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 1:34 AM | PERMALINK
I think the large-ell in hiLiberal is a diving line, and he or she is from Hawaii.
Just guessing.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 1:43 AM | PERMALINK
Hey Bob - How's it going? I was ready to go to bed because nobody wants to play.:(
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 1:47 AM | PERMALINK
Hi Globe ...
Had too much coffee before bed, so ... what's new?
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 1:48 AM | PERMALINK
Raging about Peak Oil over at my place.
I had a quad-shot to get through a chapet of inferential stats and am not feeling sleepy yet myself.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 1:50 AM | PERMALINK
Globe:
Have another long and philosophical post (ducking from flying rotten tomatoes) on libertarianism in that thread, if you're interested, since that was such a good discussion the other night ...
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 1:52 AM | PERMALINK
Globe:
Hey, you know -- you could probably tell me the code word (in email, of course) that I have to enter which I can't see in text format and I could register on and post at your place.
Thanks for putting up my Iran response, btw.
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 1:55 AM | PERMALINK
Well - Joy (the "subversive one") just called from the QuikTrip and is coming by. Night-shift lab people. This is normal for her to pop in at 1:00 am.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 1:56 AM | PERMALINK
Globe:
Well you can read it here and tell me if I'm not doing anything besides talking out of my hat (or other convenient orifice) on the thread, of course :)
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 1:57 AM | PERMALINK
It changes every response. If it was standard I would most certainly let you in on the secret.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 1:58 AM | PERMALINK
Globe:
Hey ... did you ever get your cast off?
What happened to your arm, btw?
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 1:58 AM | PERMALINK
I was playiong soccer with my son. He and his friends were a man short. I took a tumble on the pitch.
Pale Rider gave me no end of grief ("Tumble on the pitch?" What were we doing? Playing cricket with the Prince of Wales?)
It's all healed up, but still rather weak. I'm working on strengthening with one of those squishy balls.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 2:01 AM | PERMALINK
Globe:
Ouch. You break it or just strain it? If a break, compound or simple fracture?
I've busted my arm a few times, so I can easily relate.
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:04 AM | PERMALINK
Joy says hi.
She is here with a six-pack of beer and sporting a new rock.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 2:04 AM | PERMALINK
Globe:
Well, it's on the other thread; you could just highlight it and post it from your clipboard :)
(He says, lazily :)
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:06 AM | PERMALINK
Simple hairline.
I had a compound on a knee once - another soccer injury.
I obviously did not grow up exclusively in America. How many 43 year old American women play soccer?
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 2:06 AM | PERMALINK
Globe:
Well, it's on the other thread; you could just highlight it and post it from your clipboard :)
(He says, lazily :)
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:07 AM | PERMALINK
Oh, umm, Joy ! Tell her congrats on the rock :) Engagement, I guess? Who's the lucky fella -- and importantly, does he have any military experience? :)
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:09 AM | PERMALINK
Will do. I'm going to go before I get beer dumped on my head. I have exactly one female friend, and she is as ornery and obstreperous as I am. And she is in my house. Yikes!
Check out the Peak Oil and Friday's "Idiot of the Day" posts when you get a chance.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 2:10 AM | PERMALINK
I sure will, Globe. Nice chatting.
G'night, kids.
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:11 AM | PERMALINK
He is an active duty Lt. Colonel trauma surgeon.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 2:11 AM | PERMALINK
This is Joy - Thanks for your good wishes! We will ride heard as a trio soon!
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 2:12 AM | PERMALINK
Globe:
:)
Why am I somehow not surprised?
Lt. Colonel, though -- that's pretty studly.
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:13 AM | PERMALINK
The response to prof. rat, or the first one - where you mentioned my stance on diabetes?
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 2:15 AM | PERMALINK
This is Joy again - He is pretty studly. But so am I.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 2:16 AM | PERMALINK
I was thinking of the one to prof. rat.
You seemed to respond inferentially to the other one, by making affirmative reference to those concerns (and I share them, believe me. Public health is no joke -- the NYT had a huge and scarily informative series on diabetes a few months ago).
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:17 AM | PERMALINK
A woman with ... brass eggs :)
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:18 AM | PERMALINK
Or maybe brass ovaries. Somehow, brass eggs sounds more analogous, even though you don't say guys have brass sperm :)
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:19 AM | PERMALINK
We will take care of that right now, and then go annoy the self-important Art Student neighbors that I hate.
Tom had an Anatomy midterm this morning and they were totally F'd up and obnoxious last night. Now that they are recovering...Payback is a bitch. And we are two.
Posted by: Global Citizen on October 14, 2006 at 2:20 AM | PERMALINK
Jesus, we're using poor Kevin's blog like a goodamn IM ...
Somebody's gonna come along and thwack us for off-topic spam, I'll just bet :)
Heh. Let 'em try :)
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:21 AM | PERMALINK
Oh man ... be nice to the poor art students :(
How do you expect them to develop any Artistic Soul if they don't get f'ed up and obnoxious every, umm, other weekend or so?
ROTFL !
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:23 AM | PERMALINK
Take care, guys ...
Bob
Posted by: rmck1 on October 14, 2006 at 2:26 AM | PERMALINK
just reading these exchanges, and i want to support hiLiberal for his intellectual honesty. That other person who said "politics ain't beanbag" may be an astute analyst of "red-meat" campaign season, but , sorry, i just hate it when simple-minded partisan knee-jerk bullshit dominates the convo. ("BUSH EVIL, DEMS GOOD")from either party.
so, yeah, i, too, didn't see santorum look *that* bad, nor casey *that* good. some of you seem to see things because you WANT them to be there.
i should say that i despise bush and most of the gop, and will--as i always almost always have--vote dem. (the exception was in high school in no. va. when i cast my first vote for the dad of a good friend of mine, a man who happened to be a rep. MotH [House member], and still is.)
but i also was highly critical of some clinton moves--esp. military ones, so i will likely never work for a candidate or party, heh.
so kudos to you, hiLib, and i don't think you're a troll at all, and i sure as hell ain't one either, lol.
i may get flamed by the one-noters after posting this, but that's cool, and anyhow i prolly won't be returning to this dumbass echo-chamber anyhow (linked on it from wonkette), as i prefer a more independent take on reality. (yes, wonkette is highly partisan, but damn they got some good gags, lol!)
so to those who like or need to be "validated" by hearing others say how right, er, correct you are: enjoy your kool-aid-drenched circle-jerk!
Posted by: hiLibs on October 14, 2006 at 8:17 AM | PERMALINK
I pity PA. Niether of these guys is worth a damn.
Posted by: exclab on October 14, 2006 at 9:31 AM | PERMALINK
hiLibs: just reading these exchanges, and i want to support hiLiberal for his intellectual honesty.
So newcomer, hiLibs, wants to support newcomer, hiLiberal, eh? How meaningful!
so to those who like or need to be "validated" by hearing others say how right, er, correct you are: enjoy your kool-aid-drenched circle-jerk!
How hypocritical!
But can one person actually make a circle with two handles? Don't think so. But a jerk can definitely jerk-off all over himself.
i prolly won't be returning to this dumbass echo-chamber anyhow (linked on it from wonkette), as i prefer a more independent take on reality.
Yeah, except for your twin handles, you're independent, as you say, from reality. One example: You'll be back. You're reading this right now, seething with anger.
But you can't respond because that would reveal your dishonesty and purpose. Please don't kick your cat.
Posted by: Circle of Laughter on October 14, 2006 at 9:45 AM | PERMALINK
rmck1:
Jesus, we're using poor Kevin's blog like a goodamn IM ... Somebody's gonna come along and thwack us for off-topic spam, I'll just bet :) Heh. Let 'em try :)
Right, because simply acknowledging rude and ridiculous behavior exonerates it, even as it justifies a smug fuck-you to anyone who dares mention it.
Posted by: AIM on October 14, 2006 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK
As much as I hate to say it. From what I saw of that, Insanitorum won that segment. Casey attacked and then couldn't defend his own behavior. Not having seen the whole thing it is hard to tell. Insanitorun is a nutball in my eyes, but Casey needs to stay on the high road with this guy.
Posted by: Adam on October 14, 2006 at 10:30 AM | PERMALINK
Several commentators upthread thought Sanctimonious was far better prepared than Casey on Special Forces. The reporter for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, who covered the yell fest, thought they were merely parsing. The Philly Inquirer reporter never even mentioned that part. Must be in the interests of the individual eyes and ears of the repective beholder.
One day prior to the debate, Casey moved up in the polls - Will be very interesting to see the next poll numbers.
Posted by: thethirdPaul on October 14, 2006 at 11:23 AM | PERMALINK